PETROL PRICES

[bodgit]

Just got back from Cardiff and was amazed to see the difference in prices per litre en route. Cheapest was near home Wrexham 120.9 pl unleaded and diesel at 122.9 pl.
dearest was in Hereford 126.9pl unleaded and 128.9 ppl diesel.
What are you paying near you?

[dodgydiy]

123.9 and 126.9 in kilgetty, pembs and that one of the cheaper garages in the area

[racingdwarf]

local forcourt has just jumped 5p a ltr for derv now £1.25 a ltr, they say because of the weather in the uk supply is short:confused:.God knows what they would charge if the weather realy got mean for a month or so.

More like xmas break is comming up, loads of people traveling, lets make a bit more profit

[JCJC]

This site would be usefull if kept up to date, in Oxford Asda is cheapest, diesel at £122.9 yesterday. ouch !

http://www.whatgas.com/

[paulc]

Just payed £1.18 in Hull for unleaded

[Big G]

1.25 for Derv at morrisons in Leominster (Just down the road from Hereford)

Texaco on the A49 ran out of stanard diesel so I had to use the ultra stuff. 1.33!!! I only put a £5er in which was about 3 1/2 litres! :'(

[Hog]

Up to 127.9 for a litre of diesel here in Sittingbourne, Kent :cry:

[DCM]

118.9p last week in Tesco Cardiff.

[mikerobinson83]

last time i filled up it was £1.16.9 was two weeks ago at a sainsbury's in plymouth

[phil c]

I put super unleaded in tonight £1.30 per litre :-( In hull

[daz]

Just wait until the vat increase in the new year that plus the rising costs they reckon will push it to £1.30 a litre..

[coolcars782]

Texaco Premium Unleaded £1-18.99

[Holeshot]

Down in Australia seem to average $1.35 a litre for unleaded. About 10c more the premium which is around the same for diesel.

[Bungleaio]

Petrol is about 117.9 in leicester, at sub 20 mpg it started to hurt so I've switched to LPG at 65p :D

[Oscar]

Down in Australia seem to average $1.35 a litre for unleaded. About 10c more the premium which is around the same for diesel.
Thats about 85p, lucky for some people :)

[wacattack]

Use this...

http://www.petrolprices.com/

Its normally kept up to date (within a couple of days)

[Chequered Flag Racing]

This site would be usefull if kept up to date, in Oxford Asda is cheapest, diesel at £122.9 yesterday. ouch !

http://www.whatgas.com/

that's a new one on me, thanks

but I use the one below

Use this...

http://www.petrolprices.com/

Its normally kept up to date (within a couple of days)

and in January 2011 won't we have to pay an extra 2.5% on the VAT they put on fuel, correct me if I'm wrong

[c0sie]

The government could put it up to £2 a litre tomorrow and we would all still pay those prices.

Petrol prices are rediculous, yet we need fuel to get around.

I dont think there is anything anyone can do to get prices down at all, except for emigrating abroad.

[AmiSMB]

I will stick with the LPG at 69.5 but saw it had gone up to 75.9 at Titchfield! Five years ago I was paying 29.9!

[Chrislong]

Isn't LPG pegged/fixed to 50p/litre less than unleaded?

Near Bolton it is £1.18/litre at Tesco, £1.19/litre at the Shell which is near it. That was as of Monday when I last drove past.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

I will stick with the LPG at 69.5 but saw it had gone up to 75.9 at Titchfield! Five years ago I was paying 29.9!

back in 94 diesel was 49.9p when I first got a diesel and I can remember working at an Asda filling station part time in 75/76 when it was less than a £1 a gallon :woot:. Bet there's

[bodgit]

The old days.
In 1977 I got my first bike and it was 92p a gallon 20p lt. I thought that was expensive but In 1973 when a gallon went up to 34p about 7.5p lt I remember my old dears hitting the roof but at least they got double quadrable green shield stamps then.

[Bungleaio]

I will stick with the LPG at 69.5 but saw it had gone up to 75.9 at Titchfield! Five years ago I was paying 29.9!

I was in hartlepool today and I paid 75.9 at a shell garage :woot:, I had done about 30 miles on petrol so I paid it rather than burn any more petrol but thats the most I've paid for LPG.

I need to fill again tomorrow but I'll be doing that at my usual place at 65p a litre.

[simond001]

Just worked out the £1.76 per gallon when i started driving (1987) is somewhat different to to the £5.71 I just paid.

ouch.

[paulc]

Just wait until the vat increase in the new year that plus the rising costs they reckon will push it to £1.30 a litre..


Soooooo true :cry:

[Col]

Derv is now £1.29.9 around York.

[daz]

Derv is now £1.29.9 around York.
Derv is for puffs:D

[telboy]

deisel round here just went up to 131.9

Where are all the damn protesters now, that were jumping around the forecourts and plants when the price was going to go over a pound?:thumbdown:

[Northy]

Derv is now £1.29.9 around York.

134.9 on the way home from York (side of A64) :o

[big air]

59p a litre LPG and thats expensive i think:thumbdown:
mind you i only get 12/14 mpg:lol:

[ant west 71]

£1.32.9 yesterday just north of cardiff. time to start thinking of hijacking fuel tankers i think, mad max style, lol. or start running on red derv:blush:.

[mole2k]

Over here your looking around £1.28~1.34 for diesel, thankfully im about 8 miles from the border into the Republic of Ireland. It works out about £1.14~1.15 litre there.

[mikerobinson83]

deisel round here just went up to 131.9

Where are all the damn protesters now, that were jumping around the forecourts and plants when the price was going to go over a pound?:thumbdown:

they cant afford the fuel to get there :p:p

[Big G]

Morrisons Leominster was 129.9 yesterday 131.9 today
Bengreys Texaco now 133.9

diesel prices. I don't pay much attention to the unleaded sorry.

So glad I car share with the Mrs to work so we take turns in filling the car up. It halved my fuel bill when she started working here :D

[ConceptRacing]

Wish this goverment would encourage the use of bio diesel in this country but of course they wont as it upsets the petrol companies and they cant get the same revenue as normal fuel, I know ASDA did try last year with bio30 but that got withdrawn after a short period, and at the time it was at least 15p per litre cheaper than normal diesel, about time we looked at making our own but that has its own pit falls.

[bodgit]

127.9 for diesel yeaterday at Morrisons near Chester. Unleaded was about 124 ltr. When I bought my diesel just over 3 years ago diesel was cheaper than petrol but the thieving goverment saw the change to diesel and made it dearer soon after.

[mole2k]

Over here in NI, diesel has been more expensive than petrol for a long time as diesel has been the dominate fuel type for quite a number of years here.

[Dave Dodd]

monday: 123.9 diesel asda granthem
today : 128.9 diesel morissons neitherfield nottingham
today : 126.9 diesel saxondale roundabout bingham

[Pitman]

so has anyone actually taken up any of the offers from the forecourts or supermarkets to get there fuel cheaper like morrisons / esso points or fuel cards

i use about 80 quid a week and thats without going on any long drives at weekend to a track

just wondering !

[captainlip]

BP bury - diesel 135.9p :cry:

this is beyond a joke everything is going up except the wages.

[SlowOne]

so has anyone actually taken up any of the offers from the forecourts or supermarkets to get there fuel cheaper like morrisons / esso points or fuel cards

i use about 80 quid a week and thats without going on any long drives at weekend to a track

just wondering !No. You get what you pay for. Supermarket fuel is cheap because it's cheerful - my car hates it! I'd collect the points if they meant I could use them for anything useful, but the ones I see offer me a hideously small discount (like, buy 1000 gallons, get one free) or an endless collection of things I don't need!!

Easing off the loud pedal and getting another 10% better mpg is the best way I can find of saving fuel. Having used the latest Shell FuelSave, I do think that goes a smidge further, and I've got more miles from the same tankful. However, my Volvo (Ford) diesel engine likes Esso best - gives it more go!!

It's boring doing 10mph less on the motorway, and treating the loud pedal like it's got an egg under it I don't want to break, but it's saving me money. :yawn:

[ghost2212]

No. You get what you pay for. Supermarket fuel is cheap because it's cheerful - my car hates it! I'd collect the points if they meant I could use them for anything useful, but the ones I see offer me a hideously small discount (like, buy 1000 gallons, get one free) or an endless collection of things I don't need!!

Easing off the loud pedal and getting another 10% better mpg is the best way I can find of saving fuel. Having used the latest Shell FuelSave, I do think that goes a smidge further, and I've got more miles from the same tankful. However, my Volvo (Ford) diesel engine likes Esso best - gives it more go!!

It's boring doing 10mph less on the motorway, and treating the loud pedal like it's got an egg under it I don't want to break, but it's saving me money. :yawn:

How is supermarket fuel different from normal fuel. Our Ford S-MAX Diesel 2.0 TDCi runs fine on regular diesel from Asda.

It all comes from the same place anyway aprt from changes in the additive which hardly make a difference:D

The problem with pure Biodiesel is that not many car manufacturers like it and say it will void the warranty on the engine. a couple of years back my dad enquired to ford about it and they said they did not support it.

[racingdwarf]

Hmm I have just read a bit about bio fuel, I run a grounds care contract company, As of 1st jan we have to use low sulpher red derv by law in the tractors,This low sulpher fuel contains a %age of bio fuel and John deere recon the mix is so hit and miss. they advise we add addative to every tank, or they cannot garranty engine performance or reliability....nice:woot:

About to look into prices of the new fuel, but I bet it's more than we used to pay! cos it's green, green always = more money! and prob by the time you add the cost of addative will be running closer to the price of white derv, Tax man 1,small firm 0

[SlowOne]

Additives are good for you. In the case of diesel, it's the ones that keep the injectors a bit cleaner, and the ones that increase the cetane rating. If you keep your car a few years, never do more than about 75k in them, then it's fine. My cars go on for years and well into 6 figures, so having the engine as good as it can be is important.

My last diesel did 196k on a completely original engine and ancillaries, and I'm fast approaching 100k in the V50 with the engine in fine fettle. Each to their own...

[cmgreen]

Personally i wouldnt use supermarket fuel, makes my derv smokey, shell only for me (well i have to because of fuel card :thumbsup:).

[SlowOne]

Personally i wouldnt use supermarket fuel, makes my derv smokey, shell only for me (well i have to because of fuel card :thumbsup:).Good point! If you want to pass the MOT first time, stick in a tank of Shell V-Power, use a bout 3/4 of it, and then go for the MOT. Guaranteed pass, as the V-Power has all the additives and keeps the smoke down. Mind you, at £1.35+ a litre, it's good MOTs are only annually!! Still cheaper than a fail, and expensive tuning work though.

Just filled up in the Derby area at £1.29/litre - ouch!! :thumbdown:

[mark christopher]

How is supermarket fuel different from normal fuel. Our Ford S-MAX Diesel 2.0 TDCi runs fine on regular diesel from Asda.

It all comes from the same place anyway aprt from changes in the additive which hardly make a difference:D

The problem with pure Biodiesel is that not many car manufacturers like it and say it will void the warranty on the engine. a couple of years back my dad enquired to ford about it and they said they did not support it.

easy they add a higher content of bio fuel which some cars dont like

Good point! If you want to pass the MOT first time, stick in a tank of Shell V-Power, use a bout 3/4 of it, and then go for the MOT. Guaranteed pass, as the V-Power has all the additives and keeps the smoke down. Mind you, at £1.35+ a litre, it's good MOTs are only annually!! Still cheaper than a fail, and expensive tuning work though.

Just filled up in the Derby area at £1.29/litre - ouch!! :thumbdown:

sorry thats pants the biggest reason diesels dont pass is silly old farts that drive round like miss daisy.... get it hot and give it a really good thrash to the govener till no shit comes out the back, then take it to the MOT station and it will pass...

[big air]

get it hot and give it a really good thrash to the govener till no shit comes out the back, then take it to the MOT station and it will pass...

Thought that's why MOT stations stopped doing this as it was blowing engines up.

[racingdwarf]

yer I have noticed that. I used to have to drive out old landrover discovery to the test station in 2nd, reving the nuts off it to clear it out as if not it would turn the floor black when they reved it flat out, but now they don't do that, thank god!

[mark christopher]

Thought that's why MOT stations stopped doing this as it was blowing engines up.

yer I have noticed that. I used to have to drive out old landrover discovery to the test station in 2nd, reving the nuts off it to clear it out as if not it would turn the floor black when they reved it flat out, but now they don't do that, thank god!


??? mot still involves reving the diesel engines on a smoke tester that reads the black smoke!

[SlowOne]

Mark, car diesels don't have a governer, they just reach the limit of fuel atomisation. :p You're showing your age now!!

My engine is very familiar with its rev limit (has to be, those bloody particulate filters don't work if you drive like 'flat cap'), but it still chucks smoke out like a good 'un with other fuels. The V-Power fuel gives almost no smoke. So maybe pants to you, but a guranteed MOT pass for me!!! :thumbsup:

Can't believe it, but where I filled up two days ago, price has gone up again by a penny!

[mark christopher]

Mark, car diesels don't have a governer, they just reach the limit of fuel atomisation. :p You're showing your age now!!

My engine is very familiar with its rev limit (has to be, those bloody particulate filters don't work if you drive like 'flat cap'), but it still chucks smoke out like a good 'un with other fuels. The V-Power fuel gives almost no smoke. So maybe pants to you, but a guranteed MOT pass for me!!! :thumbsup:

Can't believe it, but where I filled up two days ago, price has gone up again by a penny!
they may not have a mechanical govenor but thet are govened on the rpm thay will rev to, by electronics! they will run far higher on thier own oil than there governed too, trust me seen it done it!!

when your doing a static regen and the pcm is holding 4500rpm and it then starts knocking and going over 5000 and you have the key in your hand............not good, certainly leaves a smell lol

[SlowOne]

they may not have a mechanical govenor but thet are govened on the rpm thay will rev to, by electronics! they will run far higher on thier own oil than there governed too, trust me seen it done it!!

when your doing a static regen and the pcm is holding 4500rpm and it then starts knocking and going over 5000 and you have the key in your hand............not good, certainly leaves a smell lolTin hat and brown trouser time!! :o

[espana]

i just filled up here in spain and paid 1.20(euros)a litre.depending on which exchange rate u use,thats about a quid.

[bodgit]

I never realised how much tax we pay on petrol untill I was watching the telly this morning. £3.83 on each gallon. The thieving goverment make £2 more than the companies who make the stuff and then tax them as well.
The show said this summer when the weather gets better there are going to be a lot of demonstartions going on.

[bodgit]

Just got back from Cardiff and was amazed to see the difference in prices per litre en route. Cheapest was near home Wrexham 120.9 pl unleaded and diesel at 122.9 pl.
dearest was in Hereford 126.9pl unleaded and 128.9 ppl diesel.
What are you paying near you?

I started this thread on 14 December now less than 3 months on petrol and diesel is sky high near me at
129.9 unleaded up 6.6%
133.9 diesel up 9%
George Osborne is thinking about not increasing fuel duty next month by 1p lt. Big thank you to you mr Osborne. How about reducing the £3.83 tax on it. How can it be legal to make more money on taxing fuel than the company who make it get profit. Shell make less than £2 per gallon profit. Surely there must be some legal expert who can challange this in the high courts and be a super hero.

[footey]

in hull my garage is 133.9 petrol
138.9 deisel

and no its not a litlle village garage :cry:

[Chrislong]

Rumours are for it to be £2 per litre by mid-Summer. And for it to be double this if the Libyan problems continue. :thumbdown:

I don't know about you guys, but I'll be peddling to work - 20mile round trip. :(

[Chequered Flag Racing]

I don't know about you guys, but I'll be peddling to work - 20mile round trip. :(

I do that now but not because of the fuel price :thumbsup:

but I think I'll not be traveling to far for race meetings from now on due to fuel prices :cry:

[Chrislong]

Agreed, or car sharing to go to race meetings.

[ch!3f]

Rumours are for it to be £2 per litre by mid-Summer. And for it to be double this if the Libyan problems continue. :thumbdown:

I don't know about you guys, but I'll be peddling to work - 20mile round trip. :(

i saw that on the news the otherday put it this way if it does happen there will be more people wizzing in there tanks at side of the road hoping it will work.

if it does happen and lasts a while too i think the roads will be abit quiet i know we cant afford to run are car as it is now we used to get 300miles for £40 last year now we get 200miles for £40 which isnt good when your on a crap income with kids.

[Big G]

me and the mrs take turns in filling the car up since we car share to work.

I tend to fill up, she tends to put £20/25 in 3 times.

The last time I filled up I was shocked to put £70 in. This morning I hit £70 and it still hadn't clicked off :cry:

I have 20 miles to work each way. I think it's time to leave 5 mins earlier and don't go over 50mph now :thumbdown:

[bodgit]

If it does go up to £2 then think about everything else going up with it. Food will cost more to cover transport costs. Virtually anything that has to be sent by road anywhere will have to increase in price then you can bet your teeth the prices wont come down again when the troubles are over. As I said the goverment tax of £3.83 a gallon has to come down.
re cycling to work For the unfit ebay have this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-CYCLAMATIC-POWER-PLUS-EBIKE-ELECTRIC-MOUNTAIN-BIKE-/290516374597?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item43a4201445

would pay for itself in months the way petrol prices are going

[Chrislong]

One of those electric G-Wizz cars look tempting!

[Dudders]

Our Discovery 3 takes £110 to fill up and my 330 takes £75 :thumbdown:

[racingdwarf]

If the cost keeps going up the only miles I can cut back are leasure, that will be me pulling my entry for rallyx nats then, :( just no point in spending £100+ (nissan navara) in fuel just to run in the 50's on a good day:cry:

[Jedi Master]

I don't know how you guys stand it..:cry:

I made a choice quite a while ago to get a Smart Fourtwo. OK. so I don't have any kids, which would obviously make this car a non-starter for most people. It costs me £35 to fill up, £35 a year to tax, insurance is laughable and I get an average of 450 miles to a tank.:p

It's had a few mods done, so its very quick up to 95mph, which is when the traction control kicks in.:D

Honestly though, I get the P*** ripped out of me by everyone I know, until I tell them what it costs me. Oh, and its the lowest depreciating car on the market right now.:thumbsup:

Part of me would love to change to a more normal car, but thats my ego talking. My brain tells me to swallow my pride and continue to do the 'Smart' thing :lol:. If petrol prices keep going up, I think this type of car will become 'normal' for a lot of people!

[colmo]

in hull my garage is 133.9 petrol
138.9 deisel

and no its not a litlle village garage :cry:

That's the going rate for most of N. Ireland.

I'll probably start nipping over the border again to save 15-20p per litre.

[ConceptRacing]

Just seen 140.9 at a local garage, 135.9 at Morrison at Hinckley 132.9 at Morrisons Coventry, isnt it about time we had a national price so we know we pay the same wherever in the country and stop some garages charging over the odds for fuel.

[JBL]

Last week, I saw a garage in Kimbolton advertising diesel at £143.9.
I've recently had my wifes car Ford Fusion 1.6tdci remapped and the average fuel has gone up by 8mpg. Luckily the remap was cheap and should pay for itself fairly quickly.

I was in Southern Ireland last week and they are paying 1.33 euro for a gallon of diesel, petrol is more expensive over there?

[bretts]

I ditched the car and got out the old MTB when the VAT went up. Chuffin' cold but doesn't cost a penny to get to work.

It doesn't need de-icing either!!

Lucky I only work a few miles away though. Wouldn't want to go more than 10 one way.

[ch!3f]

If it does go up to £2 then think about everything else going up with it. Food will cost more to cover transport costs. Virtually anything that has to be sent by road anywhere will have to increase in price then you can bet your teeth the prices wont come down again when the troubles are over. As I said the goverment tax of £3.83 a gallon has to come down.
re cycling to work For the unfit ebay have this
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-CYCLAMATIC-POWER-PLUS-EBIKE-ELECTRIC-MOUNTAIN-BIKE-/290516374597?pt=UK_Bikes_GL&hash=item43a4201445

would pay for itself in months the way petrol prices are going

for the price of that bike you could buy a bike from halfords for £100 n spend the rest on a 18th scale brushless kit and some lipos make a mounting for the motor to the from and drive the rear wheel from the motor using the chain hay presto 9 speed brushless push rod be at work in 5 mins!

[jkclifford]

Run a 350 transit, putting in £350.00 a week. if I run late a few mornings this can go up to£400.00!!!:confused::thumbdown:

[Thargor]

for the price of that bike you could buy a bike from halfords for £100 n spend the rest on a 18th scale brushless kit and some lipos make a mounting for the motor to the from and drive the rear wheel from the motor using the chain hay presto 9 speed brushless push rod be at work in 5 mins!

I tell thee guys... these electirc bikes are pretty good if you wanna commute a reasonable distance.... i work in a bike shop and believe me i hate the idea of them and the look of them but i had a go on one of the power assist ones the other day and they are awesome... feels like you have bionic legs...

its a good idea ch!3f but if you spend 100 pounds on a bike from halfords and commute on it, even if your using an 18th brushless kit for power youll be spending another 100 pounds next month for a new bike....had one in the shop.... cant believe the cruddy build quality.... :o

[Thargor]

and yes... fuel... crazy.... im moving to canada currently and its 122.9 cad dollars per litre there atm and people are going crazy....(78 p per liter !!!!!!!!!)

Im going to get a big V8 while i still can!!!!!

[rcdunk]

recntly changed car from a vectra 2.9gsi to an espace 1.9 dci due to birth of second baby and lack of space to carry 2 child seats and 1 teen but I am noticing the running costs have dropped even though the espace is a big bus still does a reasonable 40mpg compared to 23 in the vectra plus come the nationals will be able to get the three of us that go togeather with alot less trouble lol

mind saying that cost £100 to fill it up yesterday and the guage said it still had 200 mile plus range left lol

something will have to be done regarding racing mileage rallycross had a choice at the agm to change to 4 2 day meetings as apposed to the normal 7 1 day and 1 2 day meetings . it did not get through going to bite them in the arse that one :thumbdown:

[Evsie]

In the middle of January it cost £82 to fill my Audi A4 Tdi 130 up; and I think diesel was 127.9p a litre which was absurd in itself.

Last weekend I drove past a garage on the dual carriageway 10 miles from where I live in south west Wales and diesel was 144.9p a litre. The Shell station just down the road is one of the cheapest locally @ 139.9p. :thumbdown:

The only saving grace is that in mixed driving I can get 500-600 miles to a tank. My old 1.6 petrol Focus whilst having a smaller tank would give me 300 miles to a tank if I was lucky. I'd be more than happy to cycle to work if I worked within a few miles of home but I'd have a round trip of 32 miles a day to commute via bike which is silly really.

This is total madness but the trouble is I can't see an end to it and everyone is scared to protest so we just deal with it................:mad:

[Chrislong]

What can we do to reduce fuel costs at the pump? Rather than reduce our personal fuel costs by car sharing/pedaling etc?

I only live 9-10 miles from work, but got a steep up and down hill either way - and don't fancy pedalling up it. Im wondering if I could drive 1/2 way and park the car, pedal the rest.... but then there's nowhere to bung the car safely..

[Col]

I've decided I'm going to drive to the parking spot closest to my house in the works carpark and then walk the rest of the way. Might save me £1 per year.
Every little help...

[bodgit]

.

This is total madness but the trouble is I can't see an end to it and everyone is scared to protest so we just deal with it................:mad:

Remember the lorry drivers and oil refinery blockages about 10-11 years ago and that was just for 90pence lt

[Evsie]

Remember the lorry drivers and oil refinery blockages about 10-11 years ago and that was just for 90pence lt

Yeah remember that well, the police/authorities imposed laws/condtions on them and if they went against it they'd all get arrested so they simply don't bother any more.

They were protesting down the M4 one day and the police warned them to only use the 2 inner lanes, stick above 30 mph and then turn around when they got to the Severn bridge. Otherwise they'd be nicked.

All the boys in blue would do these days is Tazer you at the first sign of resistance and you'd probably spend more time in prison than a paedophile would. :mad:

[Thargor]

thats the way it works aint it??? government want more money so put up taxes and people complain... so government put taxes down.... then government pass laws against complaining and then put taxes back up...... simples
goes back to roman times i think, so that the rich stay rich and the not so rich have to deal with it....

[Thargor]

solution? get out of england before they put a law on that? oh wait they have done that too......
overthrow the government? :D

[bodgit]

I can see the rise of 125cc commuter bikes on the way. If your thinking that yourself get one quick before sellers realise they can get more money for a 90-100mpg bike.
locally its gone up another 3pplt in the last 3 days now 136.9 for diesel

[DCM]

I am seriously considering LPG conversion again....

[Danosborne6661]

Hmmm.. good thought, how much would a typical LPG conversion cost?

[Chrislong]

I am seriously considering LPG conversion again....

Again? Your thinking of a 2nd conversion on same car :confused::lol:

[steveproracing]

Average price for a good quality LPG conversion is about £2500

I've had 2 cars on LPG. Between them I used LPG for something over 7 years. It's very good but has a few downsides

1 knowing where LPG stations are
Long trips require meticulous route planning for fill ups
Nationals etc were a scary prospect at times cos once u have LPG the last thing u want to do is fill up with petrol
It just feels like burning money!!

2 the space the tank takes in the car
Now, there are donut tanks that replace your spare wheel but they are either small volumes or they do intrude into your boot
Or there are the tanks that replace your petrol tank
But that makes point 1 even more scary!!
Or there is the big boot mounted tank that fills half your boot!!

3, you loose about 5-10% bhp on average running on LPG


However it is MUCH cheaper than petrol
On average u save about 40% per tank

Fuel prices are half of petrol I hear you cry but
U do not get the same mpg on LPG. On average 10-15% less than petrol
Thus creating an overall saving around 40%


If u have a thirsty car( mine were yank 4litre engines)
U save alot and very quickly offset that initial layout of £2500

Hope I've given u guys food for thought

Just wish I could do my diesel. Seemed a reasonable buy when it was only 90p a litre (2007)

[bodgit]

What was the stuff people were buying from super markets to use in their diesels. Seem to recall tesco,s etc banning you from buying more than so many bottles of cooking oil or something like that. Did it really work ?

[i4n]

It was cooking oil.

This old (ish) top gear video tells all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOFbsaNeZps

[Bungleaio]

Average price for a good quality LPG conversion is about £2500


Christ, makes mine look a bargain at £1600

[colmo]

What was the stuff people were buying from super markets to use in their diesels. Seem to recall tesco,s etc banning you from buying more than so many bottles of cooking oil or something like that. Did it really work ?

I know one chap who did it (mixed with diesel) - he said it was better than diesel alone.

He's since moved on to a heating oil/diesel mix! His cars are cheap and disposable...

Remember that the original Diesel engine ran on peanut oil.

[dodgydiy]

know someone who uses heating oil, chip fat+ spirits and basically anything else that he can find in his diesel, its quite an old renault but it goes fine, just smells a bit funny. diesel 142.9 at the garage down the road today

[DCM]

Again? Your thinking of a 2nd conversion on same car :confused::lol:

Nah, sold the last one, as being Renault, it kept on going on strike regularly....

LPG conversion, for a multi-point injection, 50L fuel tank etc was £1400 incl VAT. The conversion was really good to be fair in the Espace, lost the spare but lost no room either in the boot, was barely a loss in performance either. And as most of my driving was local, I knew where all the filling stations were (24Hr and office hours).

[daz]

I can see the rise of 125cc commuter bikes on the way. If your thinking that yourself get one quick before sellers realise they can get more money for a 90-100mpg bike.
locally its gone up another 3pplt in the last 3 days now 136.9 for diesel
Just done this fella, bought a cheap little Yamaha 125 sit and screw. Feel a bit of a tit riding it, but when it does around 100mpg it dont matter. Certainly beats 18mpg the BMW was doing lol.:lol:

[RogerM]

Please don't be tempted to use veg oil etc in modern diesels ... certainly nothing common rail. The bill will be hefty, maybe even enough to write the car of in pure economic terms.

[SlowOne]

What do you bet that the tax on LPG goes up appreciably in the next few years??!!

[Crazy L]

The price of jungle juice is criminal to say the least. I have a standard 1.8 A3, it drinks it like its going out of fashion, so have taken to riding my Motorbike (YZF 'Ace) to work cos it halves the fuel bill, but I'm now considering a L plate hack as a commuter (£15 a year to tax takes me back a few years).

Ride motorbikes, Quick, before the Government ban that too (you think I'm joking)

[jimmy]

Even my smart car feels like its drinking fuel like mad these days - the lotus has been out once this year! :(

[Dave Dodd]

know someone who uses heating oil, chip fat+ spirits and basically anything else that he can find in his diesel, its quite an old renault but it goes fine, just smells a bit funny. diesel 142.9 at the garage down the road today

I know a couple of people who do that, always make me want chips for dinner :lol:

50:50 mix is usually okay in older cars providing its not mega cold

[bodgit]

Its getting common to see some of the big v6 and v8 cars now just plodding along at 55-60mph to save fuel. Bloke over the road sold his big jag for a more fuel efficient diesel.

[Cream]

Please don't be tempted to use veg oil etc in modern diesels ... certainly nothing common rail. The bill will be hefty, maybe even enough to write the car of in pure economic terms.

I'm glad someone put this. I work next to a diesel specialist and it's shocking how many decent dead cars he gets in. I don't think it's to bad on the old chug chug diesels as long as you change the filters regular. But common rail is a big no no.


My scooby is really hurting my pocket at the moment. £70 to fill her up and 220miles later I'm back again. Saving grace is I only do about 6k a year in her.

[Thargor]

is it true that in any country in the world if you use recycled oil or used chip fat in your car its free but in the uk you have to make a company (legally) so that the government can tax you???? im sure i heard that somewhere....

[SlowOne]

is it true that in any country in the world if you use recycled oil or used chip fat in your car its free but in the uk you have to make a company (legally) so that the government can tax you???? im sure i heard that somewhere....No. I sometimes hear things, but that I put down to old age!! :D :D

[Thargor]

no your right.. you dont have to make a company but you "have" to tell the tax man you are using veg oil to run your car so he can tax you on it....:lol:

[bodgit]

This is getting a bit stupid now. In the space of 10 days its gone up by 4p lt for diesel now 137.9 lt. I know its not as expensive as other parts of the country but still hurts your wallet when you fill up.

[Chrislong]

Every fill up the price of fuel leaps for me too. :cry:

Mountain bike ready, but im far from it. Save some money by riding more, driving less. Ive already started driving sensibly - with MPG's in mind.

[steveproracing]

Think I'm gunna get a magic box (chip) for my sorento. 15% extra mpg. Gotta help in this climate!

[DCM]

not just fuel, my insurance has leaped £200 in a space of 12 months.... and even the meerkets can't help!

[Alfonzo]

Insurance, what a racket. They tell you the premiums have gone up because of all the winter accidents due to adverse conditions, etc.
B*llocks. They've gone up because they lost a load of money tied into all the banks & financial market. So the premiums get jacked to claw back the dough. We all get to pay for the lousy banks twice effectively.
I hate to think what's going to happen to our premiums when the bill for the Japanese disaster rolls in..:(

[DCM]

Worse still, I am low mileage, full no-claims, no convictions, protected NCB... grrr

[Alfonzo]

Makes no difference, as the premium is largely decided by matters beyond your driving history etc. Funnily enough they don't tend to talk about this though.

[SlowOne]

Car insurance companies' losses have nothing to do with the banks or financial markets. It's a business run on statistics and logic - until they all got carried away with trying to outbid each other on price through those comparison websites. They lost a lot of money, and now we are being asked to pay that back.

One interesting thing - people I know who insure through Direct Line, including me, have had a lower percentage increase in their premiums than most others who are on those sites. It's purely subjective I know, but it does make me wonder...

Lastly, and by no means least, companies in all parts of our lives have discovered that when they put prices up, nothing happens. We don't protest, we don't organise ourselves to make their business hurt, we don't change our habits. We carry on driving just as we did before, we carry on running and insuring our cars, we carry on buying our petrol not in low-cost supermarkets, and we carry on going to Sainsbury and Waitrose as opposed to switching to Lidl and Asda.

Just imagine is we all worked together, and put ourselves out so that we all bought petrol from only (say) Shell, and boycotted all other stations? If (say) Esso reduced prices, we all switched to them. But, if someone tried to organise this, the apathetic British wouldn't do anything to put themselves out for the greater good. Frankly, people, we only have ourselves to blame here!

£1.39 at last nights diesel fill-up, but only 20% increase in my premium - some days you just get lucky!!

[DCM]

Direct Line, your joking, or is it me then... my renewal with Zurich, £744, which I thought was flamin steep, so I gave Direct Line a go... £1500 FFS!!

[SlowOne]

Six of us in the office, plus my wife, all had the lowest quote and/or the least increase from DL. Yours is the first to go the other way. Like I said, hardly definitive and not something I am hanging my hat on.

[DCM]

Yeah, I know, Insurance is a post code lottery, I nearly fell off me chair when I seen that!! So much for the 'two months free' lol

[matdodd]

Direct line wanted over £300 more on my renewal :mad: maybe thats why there not on them sites?
I ended up paying less than last year after using one :thumbsup:

[losixxx]

<DIV>

[bodgit]

From 14-12-10 locally unleaded is now 130.9lt (tesco) up by 8pence lt and diesel is 140.9lt up 18pence lt. I dont use the local at Dobbs Hill which charges 144.9 for diesel. I dont see these prices reversing as we just seem to accept them.

[Big G]

so much for that 1p reduction. Even trusty morrisons is now up to 141.9 for derv :(

[footey]

unless you spend 40 quid in the shop then you get 6p off per litre

[paulc]

Hows petrol prices going in the rest of the country i've just filled up £1.42.9 for diesel in Hull :(

[Dudders]

Hows petrol prices going in the rest of the country i've just filled up £1.42.9 for diesel in Hull :(

Blimey, and Hull's really skanky :p

[DCM]

Cardiff is 139.9p for diesel, or if you shop in Tesco, 140.9p and 10p off a litre.

[Moozo]

Texaco near me in Stalybridge, manchester diesel is 145.9:woot::woot:

[bodgit]

138.9p diesel.... 132.9petrol at tesco Mold but that was yesterday and about 142.3 in shell for the diesel. So from first post up about 16plt over 2 years and 2 months.
Just noticed that the price difference between petrol and diesel has gone up from 2p to 6p lt

[eyeayen]

It's about 134 for petrol down here, don't know what diesel is though ?

[Steven Forster]

It's about 134 for petrol down here, don't know what diesel is though ?


Its 143.9p for diesel in certain places in the north east area :thumbdown:

[trekkerkk]

its 143.9 down the dover area as well,
its well beyond a joke

trekkker

[dpackster1980]

Just put 66ltrs of diesel in my mondeo and it came to £96. It's going to get worse when the caravan on the back.

Diesel used to be cheaper but the government put the tax up because of the partical pollution now all new diesel have practical muffler filters so that particsl matter is removed. They should drop the price of diesel and put the road tax up on older cars. They won't because they wouldn't make as much so I'm paying the penalty for other people's pollution.

Mr Cameron get your house in order and stop bleeding the motorist dry!

[i4n]

Remember, as more diesel cars are on the road they're having to refine oil for diesel now where it used to be a byproduct of refining for petrol. Also, in winter there is more use of heating oil which cuts down on what is available for diesel too, which pushes the prices up even further.

[Alan Reeves]

Have a word with the local chippy! It really works, well it does on pre-common rail engines anyway, plus your exhaust fumes smell lurvely :woot:

[jrenton]

About 131 in Watford

[bodgit]

With tax at £3.83 per gallon of petrol thats about 64-65% have a word with your local mp.

[johnnygibbon]

It's not gonna get any. Better with Iran refusing to sell us any crude now either
Probly better than nuking us
It's all a scam any way
Look for water powered car on you tube they exist
Even Reuters news has a clip on about a Japanese water car that was being used a year or two ago never mind the ones from the 80s
Splitting hydrogen from water is the answer
But that's never gonna make money for the taxman oil companies or banks so we will never be allowed it

[bodgit]

Went down to Cardiff on Saterday via Welshpool, Newtown, llandrindod Wells etc and was amazed to see petrol at 142.9 and diesel at 147.9
Its out of control now.
Up in Mold I've just paid 143.9 at tesco for diesel.

[SlowOne]

This seems to be a non-issue. Here's a thread from a couple of years back when petrol prices went up to about £1.20+. 97 posts and a conversation that kept going.

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11170&highlight=petrol+price

This thread's been revived three weeks ago, and so far 14 posts. Seems people are happy to pay the prices and use their cars, or not pay the prices and not use their cars, but they don't care enough to make a fuss. Interesting...

[Appie53]

In The Netherlands 1.80euro:mad:for fuel!

[matthew]

Yes this is getting beyond before long there will only be the rich able to afford fuel, us poor people will have to drive electric cars :thumbdown:, I really would miss the sound of a fuel injected monsters :mad:

[SlowOne]

It's already happening. Take a look around on motorways at weekends these days. The cars are mostly big ones and newer ones, and the only people doing above 80mph are driving expensive cars - they can afford the car and the fuel.

[Fernandez]

in the netherlands we pay 1.52 British Pounds Sterling per 1 litre petrol.

[teambowen]

153.9 at phenix garage on A49.

I only put £20 to get me to mozzys.

[tisher]

in the netherlands we pay 1.52 British Pounds Sterling per 1 litre petrol.

yea but your wages are at least 2.5 times more than ours

[Dave Dodd]

Its roughly 142.9 for diesel round my way, I just cruise everywhere keeping the car at roughly 2000revs. The new dual a46 near me is empty, its like going back in time whens cars were new.. Lol..
Like someone said b4, the rich don't care and neither do the government..
Yet they want us to holiday in the uk and be tourists, takes the piddle.. :(

[CrashBangWallop]

I just cruise everywhere keeping the car at roughly 2000revs. :(

Yep its the only way to get anywhere economically, personally I drive a modern petrol car 1600cc and cruise just about everywhere, check tyre pressures weekly, unload any un-necessary weight from the car.
I drive upwards of 400 miles a week commuting and have saved upwards of 15% by driving carefully. Always change up before 2500rpm in every gear and never exceed 60mph, never accelerate up hills but allow your speed to increase down the other side.

I also found that filling up with crap 'cheap' petrol is a false economy. Managed 367 miles on a tank of tesco's ( other brands are available but just as bad ) finest 95ron and 420 miles on Shell V-Power on the same commute.

[matthew]

Yep its the only way to get anywhere economically, personally I drive a modern petrol car 1600cc and cruise just about everywhere, check tyre pressures weekly, unload any un-necessary weight from the car.
I drive upwards of 400 miles a week commuting and have saved upwards of 15% by driving carefully. Always change up before 2500rpm in every gear and never exceed 60mph, never accelerate up hills but allow your speed to increase down the other side.

I also found that filling up with crap 'cheap' petrol is a false economy. Managed 367 miles on a tank of tesco's ( other brands are available but just as bad ) finest 95ron and 420 miles on Shell V-Power on the same commute.

I am the same I drive a 1.6 petrol and cruise everywhere, where ever I can take my foot off the gas
I will, what is the country coming too :thumbdown:.
By the way have you have done that experiment a few times with both the cheap fuel and the branded fuel? It would
be interesting to now if this is a fact....

[CrashBangWallop]

I am the same I drive a 1.6 petrol and cruise everywhere, where ever I can take my foot off the gas
I will, what is the country coming too :thumbdown:.
By the way have you have done that experiment a few times with both the cheap fuel and the branded fuel? It would
be interesting to now if this is a fact....

Have been doing that experiment on and off for the last 2 years and it's true. Ok, there are a lot of variables but I find V-Power works best. Car starts better, runs smoother, warms up faster therefore uses less fuel sooner.
Have tried other 'brands' too (95ron) and most are only marginally better than tesco. Wished I had shares in BP their 95ron is one of the worst - the power of advertising, olympic sponsor and Nectar points too :D.

Oh BTW did you know that 1000 nectar points is worth a fiver - Wahay

Another thing is the quantity of ethanol in petrol, all petrol now contains a quantity of it up to 5% to 'help' the environment - really the pump should say 95E5ron some countries run up to 10% in normal petrol. In USA you can buy cars that run on E85 ( 85% ) ethanol petrol mix which is great if you own a still.

I do not work for or have any association with the Shell company but they have always made quality fuels from year dot.

[The Marcos Graveyard]

I pay €1.56 a litre for diesel thats about £1.30 sterling.

I race every second weekend and its a 300 mile round trip. My 9 year old A6 with 180000 miles on it still returns 50mpg . ;)

[mattr]

In USA you can buy cars that run on E85 ( 85% ) ethanol petrol mix which is great if you own a still.You can buy E85 cars all over europe too. Just about everyone makes them.

[superdez]

http://www.gscape.com/images/econ/charts/RealEarnings0112.gif

Nice graph illustrating average earnings adjusted for RPI. We are back to the year 2002

Graph below showing weekly fuel prices. Things are probably going to get a lot worse throughout the rest of the year and beyond.

http://www.gscape.com/images/econ/charts/WeeklyFuelPrices120312.gif

[stox217]

Petrol for me is normally (132.9 - 134.9) coventry
And most expensive was 142.8 :cry:

We will all be walking every where at this rate!
Its stupid as when i started driving it was 119.9 back in 2011!!

2013 = 151.9! at this rate :thumbdown:

Its a bout time that fuel duty stopped as the condition of the roads is getting WORSE yet we pay more for the upkeep!

[burgie]

lol - when I started driving petrol was about 73p per litre....:o

[dmsykes]

I know this is going to show my age but I used to get 3 Gallons for a £1. Ps for you youngsters 1 Gallon = 4.54 Litres. :p

[Chequered Flag Racing]

It's already happening. Take a look around on motorways at weekends these days.

I'll be on cruise control at 60mph to get to the 12th National this weekend and running a 1.9 TDi, hope to see 55mpg

[bodgit]

I know this is going to show my age but I used to get 3 Gallons for a £1. Ps for you youngsters 1 Gallon = 4.54 Litres. :p

Dont forget you got double treble green shield stamps then too :lol:

I just got 50.3 mpg out of my 2lt tdci cmax over 300 mile trip last weekend. Not bad considering the climb up the mountain range and driving through towns.

[The Marcos Graveyard]

Tdi's for the win :thumbsup:

[CrashBangWallop]

I used to only pay 48.9p per litre when I started driving so fuel prices have in fact trebled in the time I have been driving :mad: and looking at the graphs above just makes me :(.

Taxed when you earn it. Taxed when you spend it. Taxed when you save it and if by some freakish chance you have done alright in life, Taxed again when you die. Thank you UK.

[bzb]

cheer up guys :woot: at least the people @ shell, abu dhabi, dubai, kuweit etc. are enjoying our money to the fullest :D, just bent over and pay for your addiction :thumbdown:

[Dave Dodd]

it was roughly 50 p a ltr when i passed my test in '91 and it had only gone up 30p in 2005, its about doubled since... :mad::thumbdown:

i'll be biking to work next..

[Chequered Flag Racing]

it was roughly 50 p a ltr when i passed my test in '91 and it had only gone up 30p in 2005, its about doubled since... :mad::thumbdown:

i'll be biking to work next..

47p a gallon when I stared to pay for my own :woot:

I bike to work but not because of the fuel, it's fun at 05:45 when the ambient is -2c or less and your wrapped up :thumbsup:

[bodgit]

91p a gallon (20p lt ) in 1977 when I got my yami

[tisher]

http://www.gscape.com/images/econ/charts/RealEarnings0112.gif

Nice graph illustrating average earnings adjusted for RPI. We are back to the year 2002

Graph below showing weekly fuel prices. Things are probably going to get a lot worse throughout the rest of the year and beyond.

http://www.gscape.com/images/econ/charts/WeeklyFuelPrices120312.gif


My Wages have not gone up in six years in fact they have gone
down if you ask most people the top graph is bollocks

[mattr]

My Wages have not gone up in six years in fact they have gone down if you ask most people the top graph is bollocksIts an ONS graph, so its not "bollocks", it just doesn't agree with you, and your situation. Its national average salary (probably, only including full timers, that's one of the standard rules they use) adjusted by RPI. So the payrises you personally have had over the last 6 years are utterly totally irrelevant, unless you know exactly how the RPI has moved over the same period. (generally up, the amount is subject to much debate!)

TBH, if you ask "most people" or the "man in the street", you have a fairly good chance of ending up with someone who doesn't have the faintest idea what the RPI is, or how it works, or even what statistics are. Or Mathematics. :/

[The Marcos Graveyard]

Just paid €106 to fill up the A6 with diesel :(

[teambowen]

A litre of 2 stoke oil was more expensive to buy than filling my petrol tank in 1986 in my motorbike.

God i'm that old lol.

I'm Having my golf remapped today up to 180 bhp with the idea of saving 10% on fuel.
I do 280 miles a week just to get to work and i have no choice but to drive.

I'm looking to save £400 a year just by remapping and thats with fuel at a average of 144.9 when i did the sums.

My average at ATM is 47.8mpg over 6k
Trip is always above 50mpg to work.

I will update you here in a month or so for those who are interested.


J

[SlowOne]

I am the same I drive a 1.6 petrol and cruise everywhere, where ever I can take my foot off the gas
I will, what is the country coming too :thumbdown:.
By the way have you have done that experiment a few times with both the cheap fuel and the branded fuel? It would
be interesting to now if this is a fact....I've done it with Esso, BP and Shell Fuelsave. Always get at least 10% further with the Shell. V Power is better than that, but does not justify the cost. Fuelsave I get for £1.41 a litre, V Power is £1.48. I wouldn't ever buy supermarket fuel after it made a mess of my wife's Escort engine some years ago (emulsion all over the rocker cover, blocked crankcase breather) and is always dissed by the reviews. Try Fuelsave and see if you agree.

lol - when I started driving petrol was about 73p per litre....:oWhe I started driving fuel was 28p a litre. When the rationing was envisaged in 1973 it was 32p a litre. My first recollection is my father complaining when the local garage put the price up to over 4 shillings (20p) a gallon in the sixties. I can hear him now saying "When I started driving it was 1s 6d!" (For the youngsters that's 7.5p... a gallon!!) Having said all that, if you had a car that did more than 35 to the gallon in the '70s, it was either an 850 Mini or broken down!

Dont forget you got double treble green shield stamps then too :lol:Green Shield stamps, there's a memory! I used to drive further to find a station with quad stamps!!! :lol: :thumbsup:

[Chequered Flag Racing]

I'll be on cruise control at 60mph to get to the 12th National this weekend and running a 1.9 TDi, hope to see 55mpg

Not quite but did see 53.7mpg from cold start to finish of 129 miles. It took 31 mins for the mpg meter to get to 50mpg from cold

[Fernandez]

yea but your wages are at least 2.5 times more than ours

Is that so? Im not so sure about that

[pro4nut]

Well petrol in East London has just hit £1.36 a litre, not trying to wind anyone up, but if you happen to be heading through leytonstone, the leyton mills asda is a bargin

[TARTMAN]

2 1/2 years ago, my large van was £96 to fill up, now around £140.

totally mad. I still only get around 500 miles........ its just plain criminal,

but, the government will continue putting tax on it as its easy money for them as what choice do we have.
I remember we all went mad when it hit £1 a litre, then we shut up and carry on taking the ass raping at the pumps. just seen local station for deisel. £1.48.9 a litre. petrol 144.9...........

so when do we decide we cant afford to go to work as the fuel is to high, at this rate, about 2 years we will all be paying £2 a litre..........has to stop.....:cry:

[pro4nut]

The shame is we can complain all we like but i don't see it changing.

[SlowOne]

Nothing is going to change for two reasons - we are all complaining about the price we have to pay to fill up. Stop filling up and it will change. If you can't afford to stop filling up, stop complaining. You might feel like you are being shafted, but you are bending over and making it easy!!

Secondly, we are using a resource that is running out. It will only ever get more expensive whatever the Government does.

[Fernandez]

Nothing is going to change for two reasons - we are all complaining about the price we have to pay to fill up. Stop filling up and it will change. If you can't afford to stop filling up, stop complaining. You might feel like you are being shafted, but you are bending over and making it easy!!

.

Stop filling up ??

=

stop going to my work ( to far to ride a bike and no public transport )
stop bringing 2 kids to school
stop my RC hobby couse I cant go to the races across the country

[SlowOne]

Precisely, we cannot stop filling up so we get taxed. What's easier than taxing something everyone can't do without, like income and fuel? We just have to suck it up unless we are prepared to give it up...

[TARTMAN]

Precisely, we cannot stop filling up so we get taxed. What's easier than taxing something everyone can't do without, like income and fuel? We just have to suck it up unless we are prepared to give it up...

we are taxed higher than anyone else, its the TAX that our govenment rips us off with simple.

oil is the same price world wide!!!!!!!!!!!

go to dubai, USA, Oz and see. there way cheaper than us. Get real......... Its all TAX. not the price of oil!!!!

Our OWN government are raping us at the pumps and we are bending over and taking it, as we have no choice.
Disgusting!

[Northy]

Be careful tootling round in the soot chuckers at 2k rpm, you'll be bunging up the EGR valve and DPF :(

[cmgreen]

We should all just use one supplier. Get all our family and friends to use the same garage/brand of fuel. Then other suppliers will have to lower there fuel

[DCM]

I wouldn't mind the price going up as crude oil goes up, as long as it comes down to!

[mattr]

We should all just use one supplier. Get all our family and friends to use the same garage/brand of fuel. Then other suppliers will have to lower there fuelExcept most "brands" sell their fuel to anyone, not only their own fuel stations (which they don't own anyway, mostly franchises) even competitors "brands" buy some of their fuel from them as well as all the supermarkets. The only one who suffers if we (for instance) boycott Shell, is the poor sods who run Shell franchises. Shell probably won't even notice. As we have to buy fuel from somewhere, so the slack is taken up elsewhere (Tescos f'rinstance, who probably buy Shell fuel).

And FWIW, selling filling station fuel is a minuscule part of most oil companies business. Usually only a few % or less. Most of it goes to plastics and chemical production.
Last time i looked at any specific figures (BP i think) fuel sales, diesel and petrol, globally, was less than 2%

Solution is to drive less. Unfortunately, successive governments have made it financially impractical to have any sort of integrated public transport system, and made it socially desirable to have a posh shiny car.

So we are knackered.

[Big G]

Now the weather is improving and the clocks will go back shortly I'll be cycling to work. It's only 13 miles each way.

[cmgreen]

Except most "brands" sell their fuel to anyone, not only their own fuel stations (which they don't own anyway, mostly franchises) even competitors "brands" buy some of their fuel from them as well as all the supermarkets. The only one who suffers if we (for instance) boycott Shell, is the poor sods who run Shell franchises. Shell probably won't even notice. As we have to buy fuel from somewhere, so the slack is taken up elsewhere (Tescos f'rinstance, who probably buy Shell fuel).

And FWIW, selling filling station fuel is a minuscule part of most oil companies business. Usually only a few % or less. Most of it goes to plastics and chemical production.
Last time i looked at any specific figures (BP i think) fuel sales, diesel and petrol, globally, was less than 2%

Solution is to drive less. Unfortunately, successive governments have made it financially impractical to have any sort of integrated public transport system, and made it socially desirable to have a posh shiny car.

So we are knackered.

Partly Dissagree, am sure if everyone filled up at, say shell, then the supermarkets will suffer, and i bet they will reduce there prices.

[Big G]

Be careful tootling round in the soot chuckers at 2k rpm, you'll be bunging up the EGR valve and DPF :(

mine's approaching 300k now and gets hammered regularly. I dunno what it is, but it loves the revs. we have 2 mk4 golf tdi's and the 1 loves to rev and other falls off at 4k.

saying that mine (that loves the revs) doesn't smoke at all whereas hers smokes a fair bit on start up.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Now the weather is improving and the clocks will go back shortly I'll be cycling to work. It's only 13 miles each way.

Already doing 10 each way when I'm on a day shift and I go the long route to meet someone to ride in with. Sometimes do a night shift on the bike also.

[bodgit]

You'll know when things are really bad when you see tandems going to work.
or even
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[mattr]

Partly Dissagree, am sure if everyone filled up at, say shell, then the supermarkets will suffer, and i bet they will reduce there prices.

Not enough to make a difference. And not for long enough to make a difference.
They don't have enough control over the price to not make a huge loss. Retailer mark up on fuel is only a couple of %. The people who effectively set the price are the taxman and the producer, so as long as fuel is being bought somewhere, the main "owners" of the price won't be affected. So prices aren't likely to drop more than a couple of pence.

[bodgit]

Partly Dissagree, am sure if everyone filled up at, say shell, then the supermarkets will suffer, and i bet they will reduce there prices.


After the goverment take £3.83p tax per gallon for SFA out of a gallon of £6.58 diesel and the producers take £1.83pg out of which they pay their workers, the garage only makes 20plt out of which they have to pay for staff maintenance and other costs.
Its no good hitting the garages its HMG thats ripping us off.

[tisher]

Nothing is going to change for two reasons - we are all complaining about the price we have to pay to fill up. Stop filling up and it will change. If you can't afford to stop filling up, stop complaining. You might feel like you are being shafted, but you are bending over and making it easy!!

Secondly, we are using a resource that is running out. It will only ever get more expensive whatever the Government does.



some people have no choice we have to work:( also the resource is not running out thats what they want you to think 300 hundred years of oil still at least fuel will always be controled by goverments and big business to line there pockets. why do you think we have illegal wars over it all the time:thumbdown:

[teambowen]

As for oil running out, I have read somewhere that the oil compamies are revisiting old empty reserves and finding more oil ???, and its not because oil extraction has improved dramitically.
It always makes me think how can oil the a by product of trees etc rotting over millions of year when it is as deep in the ground as it is.

Some experts say oil is a biproduct of the earths core cooling down and the oil is leaching from the earth liquid core.

Anyway enough of the science, i couldn't get my golf remapped last weekend. I was told it was myy golf's ecu was a version 16 which is encrypted. This means you have to hard wire the connector onto the ecu chip itself atm which was more expense and also the ecu had to be sent off.

bummer:bored:.
J

[racingdwarf]

After the goverment take £3.83p tax per gallon for SFA out of a gallon of £6.58 diesel and the producers take £1.83pg out of which they pay their workers, the garage only makes 20plt out of which they have to pay for staff maintenance and other costs.
Its no good hitting the garages its HMG thats ripping us off.

he's right, there is no money in selling petrol, most small village forcorts are gone or going out of buissness,there is no money in selling fuel, the last one I spoke to had to pay shell for every fuel delivery he had as it was delivered, about £24.000 a time I beleve he said, and pay staff, taxes and make proffit, cashflow nightmare.
The tax on fuel is huge:woot: and must be a huge money earner, as it has been pointed out that whatever we do they will not reduce it! in tanker driver strikes we had years ago they would send the army in to seize the tankers and drive them before they would reduce the price.

HMG is skint and needs to rape as mutch money out of us as they can:o

[TARTMAN]

After the goverment take £3.83p tax per gallon for SFA out of a gallon of £6.58 diesel and the producers take £1.83pg out of which they pay their workers, the garage only makes 20plt out of which they have to pay for staff maintenance and other costs.
Its no good hitting the garages its HMG thats ripping us off.

As i said before as much more professionally put by bodgit. The tax man is responsible for the raping in broad daylight of every person that uses the pumps. i would love to cycle to work, but some of my work is in a van, so cant. Stop the Tax man/government or carry on being raped at "pump" point!:thumbdown:

[cmgreen]

Not enough to make a difference. And not for long enough to make a difference.
They don't have enough control over the price to not make a huge loss. Retailer mark up on fuel is only a couple of %. The people who effectively set the price are the taxman and the producer, so as long as fuel is being bought somewhere, the main "owners" of the price won't be affected. So prices aren't likely to drop more than a couple of pence.


Very true. But in whole, who cares about the retailers? We see those 5p/10p/15p off per litre deals from super markets if we spend so much in store, so they must use fuel as a loss leader. I bet tho if every one used one supplier there would be an even more of a price war, thus making it better, only a small amount. At the other end we could just all boy cott filling up, thus not going any where.

I do agree its all the Goverments fault fuel is the price it is. but do we do anything about it??

[mattr]

I bet tho is every one used one supplier there would be an even more of a price warNo there wouldn't. Retail fuel supplies in the UK are pretty much limited by processing capacity, so "all using one supplier" simply means that all the other suppliers sell their fuel to the "one supplier" that we are all using. Net effect on profits = zero. The whole thing of fuel supply is pretty much a cartel in europe. Most of the price is tax, and most of the suppliers sell to each other to ensure demand is met.
"I bet" doesn't carry much weight in business, unless you are a stockbroker.

And for all the "i need to drive to get to work" people. You'll find that somewhere between 75-85% of you don't. Obv. dependent on where you live/what you do.

It's something like 85% of all domestic/commuting car journeys in Europe could be replaced by walking, cycling, bus or train. It won't be long before its cheaper and easier to do that, rather than drive........

[racingdwarf]

LOL, If tmro morning everyone who possibly could left the cars parked and started to walk or cycle to work,shops etc the greens would be chuffed to bits......goverment would shit a brick at the amount of lost revenue:lol:, and would have to target other things very rapidly...20 fags £25, pint 10quid. and hmmm cycle tax:woot:

[Ant]

This makes interesting reading.....

http://www.energy.eu/

In some respects, the UK isn't that bad!!!!!

[racingdwarf]

This makes interesting reading.....

http://www.energy.eu/

In some respects, the UK isn't that bad!!!!!

intresting, Something that I have wondered for a while and is shown on that website is why is desel always about 5p more per ltr than unleaded:confused:. looking at that site most countrys it's cheeper, and that to me makes sence as it's less refined, so why does it demand extra cost in the uk, is it a tax thing on dirty fuel??

[Col]

I may well be wrong...

Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol. This was when there were more petrol cars than diesels.
Petrol is now cheaper, but there are more diesel cars than petrol (I think)

I have no idea whether it's a tax thing or not.

[jimmyfish]

No there wouldn't. Retail fuel supplies in the UK are pretty much limited by processing capacity, so "all using one supplier" simply means that all the other suppliers sell their fuel to the "one supplier" that we are all using. Net effect on profits = zero. The whole thing of fuel supply is pretty much a cartel in europe. Most of the price is tax, and most of the suppliers sell to each other to ensure demand is met.
"I bet" doesn't carry much weight in business, unless you are a stockbroker.

And for all the "i need to drive to get to work" people. You'll find that somewhere between 75-85% of you don't. Obv. dependent on where you live/what you do.

It's something like 85% of all domestic/commuting car journeys in Europe could be replaced by walking, cycling, bus or train. It won't be long before its cheaper and easier to do that, rather than drive........

Yes there would be a price war. So lets say sainsburys (or other retailer), suddenly reduce there price say by 5p, why do others follow suite, not because they want to, its to stay competitive.

Same goes for if we all used one supplier, do you think the other suppliers are going to stand about waiting for people to arrive at their forcourt? No, they will reduce and entice business in that way. So what you say on this is total bollocks.

You are right by fuel may be blended by one company but with different additives for certain retailers, Shell fuel is different to sainsburys, so it dont matter to the blender where we get our fuel from, but it will matter to the retailer.

[john333]

I may well be wrong...

Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol. This was when there were more petrol cars than diesels.
Petrol is now cheaper, but there are more diesel cars than petrol (I think)

I have no idea whether it's a tax thing or not.

You're right, if I remember Gordon Brown pulled a flanker with company car tax etc etc which made it cheaper to get a diesel car, then when there were loads on the road (and the ex company cars filtered down to private owners) he bumped up the price of diesel and generally pulled our pants down and rogered us :thumbdown:

[superdez]

What do you expect guys? We bailed out the banks, principally because they lent too much on housing and in doing so they (the government and the BOE) embarked on a rampant program of money printing (quantitative easing) hence the £ has devalued 40% against the $ since 2008 and we have had 5%+ inflation p/a. Guess what crude oil is priced in?

It's not rocket science is it? There is of course other factors at play here, but really, that is the problem in a nutshell.

[mattr]

Yes there would be a price war. So lets say sainsburys (or other retailer), suddenly reduce there price say by 5p, why do others follow suite, not because they want to, its to stay competitive.So a small, short term, local, loss leading price reduction will lead to cheaper fuel for all? Not really. It'll last a few weeks, then we'll be back where we started.

Same goes for if we all used one supplier, do you think the other suppliers are going to stand about waiting for people to arrive at their forcourt? No, they will reduce and entice business in that way. So what you say on this is total bollocks.The suppliers don't own ANY forecourts worth speaking of, they are almost, without exception, franchises. The suppliers sell to anyone who will pay. So everyone jumping ship and all using Shell forecourts makes exactly eff all difference to BP, the total sales volume is the same, so Shell branded stations will simply buy BP fuel. Which they frequently already do anyway. All you will do is put BP franchises out of business.

You are right by fuel may be blended by one company but with different additives for certain retailers, Shell fuel is different to sainsburys, so it dont matter to the blender where we get our fuel from, but it will matter to the retailer.If you are talking about the higher octane or V-Power type fuels, yes, they are different. The only problem is that well over 90% of the fuel sold in europe is boggo forecourt mix. With (despite the advertising) nothing special in it.

[mattr]

I may well be wrong...

Diesel used to be cheaper than petrol. This was when there were more petrol cars than diesels.
Petrol is now cheaper, but there are more diesel cars than petrol (I think)

I have no idea whether it's a tax thing or not.We've gone from 30-35% ish diesels on the road to more like 60% and AFAIK we ran out of spare processing capacity about 2 years ago, all the refineries that can produce diesel in europe, are now doing so. And we aren't allowed to build more.

Then they taxed it more.

[cmgreen]

If you are talking about the higher octane or V-Power type fuels, yes, they are different. The only problem is that well over 90% of the fuel sold in europe is boggo forecourt mix. With (despite the advertising) nothing special in it.[/QUOTE]

Wrong. Its all blended different, shell fuel save derv aint the same as sainsbury/asda etc.

[mattr]

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[cmgreen]

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[SlowOne]

Yes there would be a price war. So lets say sainsburys (or other retailer), suddenly reduce there price say by 5p, why do others follow suite, not because they want to, its to stay competitive.

Same goes for if we all used one supplier, do you think the other suppliers are going to stand about waiting for people to arrive at their forcourt? No, they will reduce and entice business in that way. So what you say on this is total bollocks.

You are right by fuel may be blended by one company but with different additives for certain retailers, Shell fuel is different to sainsburys, so it dont matter to the blender where we get our fuel from, but it will matter to the retailer.There cannot be a war without weapons. The weapon they have is a 20p/litre margin. How do you think that there can be a war when all they have to play with is a few pence?

If fuel prices were a real issue we wanted to tackle, we would all go to the supermarket forecourts that are usually cheaper than the ones owned by oil companies. We don't so it, so they don't give a jot if one retailer, especially a supermarket, reduces the price by 5p. We would soon get fed up with queuing and go and pay more elsewhere. There is no incentive to remain competitive, because we the user aren't really interested in low prices, as we demonstrate daily by not all queueing up at the lowest priced forecourt in our area.

They have no need to be competitive because we do not care that much about the price we pay, as demonstrated by the fact that, whatever the price charged, most forecourts remain in business. Your argument has a similarly round shape!!

Fuel duty is 5% of the Government's tax take. Income tax is 30%, National Insurance is 20% and VAT is 15%. If you want to cut your tax bill, buy less and avoid the 15% of your income you pay in VAT, and not the 5% you pay in fuel duty.

When Callaghan's Labour Government lost power to Thatcher in 1979, the basic rate of income tax was about 30%, and the top rate was 83%. The surcharge on unearned income was 15%, so the top rate of tax was 98%. In total the Government took 42% of GDP in tax.

Today, the basic rate is 20%, the top rate is 50% (change to 45% in 2013) and the Government take 39% of GDP in tax. So, 10% to 45% less in income tax rates, but the Government revenue is only 3% down. Where do you think they made up the difference? You could always go back to having high income tax and low fuel duty, if you like...

Whichever way you cut it, Government takes less of our labours in tax than it did 30 years ago, so you have more to spend as you wish. They just get it a different way than they used to. I don't know anything else that has come down in the last 30 years, so remind me again how I am being ripped off?

[racingdwarf]

I'm sure slowone has been on question time:lol:

[SlowOne]

One last thing - on average, the tax take from GDP has been lower under a Labour Government than a Tory one since 1948, and company profits have been higher under Labour than Tory. Somehow the political parties and the media lead us all to believe that if we want to be better off we should vote Tory, but the data of the last 70 years tells us otherwise.

In the end, every Government ends up in the mire (Tories in 1964, 1974 and 1991, Labour in 1951, 1979 and 2009) when they assume they can keep growth going forever and over-reach both themselves and the markets. So there's an argument that says we are better off giving them each five years at a time, and then changing to the other one before they do too much damage!!

[bodgit]

The garages are loving this panic buying. Tesco last night had petrol at
139.9plt and diesel at 149.9plt. I only paid 146.9plt for diesel at tesco on monday and 143.9plt last week. Big thanks to the tories. A man who makes decisions on how the country is run sparks off a buying panic and another says he did not know how big a jerry can was.

[Jason A]

Bio diesel from Sheffield area is currantly £1.27 Vers diesel which is hitting £1.47-£1.48 at pumps so there are ways to save money with the currant high diesel prices. And becouse the weather is warm you only need small amount of diesel mixed with the bio diesel.

Also VW,Audi,Seat and skoda diesel cars from 1996 onwards can run 100% biodiesel as per manufacture.

:thumbsup:

[chalky]

my local forcourt sells deisel for 89p a litre its just a funny colour :o

[Karting]

my local forcourt sells deisel for 89p a litre its just a funny colour :o

my friend paddy sell's me some of that too :)

[Jason A]

my local forcourt sells deisel for 89p a litre its just a funny colour :o

The only problem is around where I live They are doing random stop checks and dipping tanks so although it seems good the fine would not be so good

:thumbdown:

[burgie]

BP Southport were £1.57 per litre diesel last night. Didn't see if it was their ultimate stuff though - don't think it was, but could be wrong.

[TARTMAN]

my local forcourt sells deisel for 89p a litre its just a funny colour :o

I used to get that from the boat yard, but yes, sadly, if stopped/dipped, bye bye vehicle, hello court date. Ok if you drive a banger but not so good if its something nice..... :thumbdown:

[Jason A]

http://www.biodieselfillingstations.co.uk/

[Cream]

Bio diesel from Sheffield area is currantly £1.27 Vers diesel which is hitting £1.47-£1.48 at pumps so there are ways to save money with the currant high diesel prices. And becouse the weather is warm you only need small amount of diesel mixed with the bio diesel.

Also VW,Audi,Seat and skoda diesel cars from 1996 onwards can run 100% biodiesel as per manufacture.

:thumbsup:

All depends how often you want to replace filters, injectors :D Wouldn't touch the stuff myself.

[TARTMAN]

All depends how often you want to replace filters, injectors :D Wouldn't touch the stuff myself.


I used to use it years ago in my recovery transit, old girl, bit slower but was ok, till fuel pump went bang. not the most expensive but still a few hundred, and was mostly due to the bio. So the money i saved went in one pop.... Its OK if you mix plenty of normal white quality deisel with the bio, but not alone. so now i just use normalk deisel. safer.:thumbsup:

[rondoolaa]

why not put a spare tank where your spare wheel goes and connect to that and when stopped and dipped the fuel not being used in the dummy tank will be ok, lol

[TARTMAN]

why not put a spare tank where your spare wheel goes and connect to that and when stopped and dipped the fuel not being used in the dummy tank will be ok, lol

but sadly the customs and excise are wise to this ond normally inspect the vehicle if seems iffy, on the plus side cars are normally not checked much, its vans etc that get the most checks.:(

[budfish]

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/Budfish1975/f8cdb03f.jpg
http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/Budfish1975/1647170c.jpg

We've gone into overdrive at work with everyone panic buying fuel.

[eyeayen]

The thing is the strike isn't even in effect yet, all the scare mongering the government are doing has got all tabloid press going on about it and it's causing this ridiculous panic buying.

My girlfriend works at a petrol station and they ran out because of it yesterday ???

Apparently Supermarkets have their own drivers so any of them that sell fuel won't be affect and the the army are going to pick up the pieces and drive the other tankers anyway which is another **ss take because they're on less wages than the tanker drivers who are striking and they're the ones fighting wars when they're not over here picking up the pieces for people who have jobs but are moaning about them.

I've been unemployed for six months now, if someone wants to teach me to drive an HGV and load unload petrol I'll willingly take their jobs.

I'll get back down off my soap box now :mad:

[mark christopher]

Bio diesel from Sheffield area is currantly £1.27 Vers diesel which is hitting £1.47-£1.48 at pumps so there are ways to save money with the currant high diesel prices. And becouse the weather is warm you only need small amount of diesel mixed with the bio diesel.

Also VW,Audi,Seat and skoda diesel cars from 1996 onwards can run 100% biodiesel as per manufacture.

:thumbsup:

All depends how often you want to replace filters, injectors :D Wouldn't touch the stuff myself.

agree if you want to kill a moderen diesel use it, defo dont put it in a ford though
I used to use it years ago in my recovery transit, old girl, bit slower but was ok, till fuel pump went bang. not the most expensive but still a few hundred, and was mostly due to the bio. So the money i saved went in one pop.... Its OK if you mix plenty of normal white quality deisel with the bio, but not alone. so now i just use normalk deisel. safer.:thumbsup:

sorry warning too late......:lol:

why not put a spare tank where your spare wheel goes and connect to that and when stopped and dipped the fuel not being used in the dummy tank will be ok, lol
there clever and take a sample from the engine pipes too, they can even test if you have removed the dye which is possible

[RogerM]

Also VW,Audi,Seat and skoda diesel cars from 1996 onwards can run 100% biodiesel as per manufacture.

:thumbsup:

NOT TRUE AT ALL ..... I work for a company that manufactures diesel fuel systems, we have equipment fitted to some of the very latest VW (amongst many others) and if you run anything more than B10 (10% bio) bye bye any warrentee .... now that WILL get expensive in the long run!!!!

[Jason A]

NOT TRUE AT ALL ..... I work for a company that manufactures diesel fuel systems, we have equipment fitted to some of the very latest VW (amongst many others) and if you run anything more than B10 (10% bio) bye bye any warrentee .... now that WILL get expensive in the long run!!!!

Sorry For the miss information

1990-2004 100% bio diesel
2004 till now 50/50

Morrisons were already selling b10 diesel on there forcourts and most other forcourts are supplying b5 diesel at momment as per new legislation.

Any information is for educational purposes only and if adding biodiesel to your car please make sure you are aware of what you are doing.

Thanks :-)

[mark christopher]

NOT TRUE AT ALL ..... I work for a company that manufactures diesel fuel systems, we have equipment fitted to some of the very latest VW (amongst many others) and if you run anything more than B10 (10% bio) bye bye any warrentee .... now that WILL get expensive in the long run!!!!
^^^^^^ fords policy too so be warned. repair bill is in excess of £2000

[cmgreen]

Also VW,Audi,Seat and skoda diesel cars from 1996 onwards can run 100% biodiesel as per manufacture.

:thumbsup:

Really, can you find proof?

[SlowOne]

It's a corker. The Laws of Natural Selection are being warped and we are surrounded by idiots whipped up into a frenzy by another load of rich idiots in Government.

Yesterday they were queueing out onto the road to get fuel here. Now they've all filled up the forecourts were empty today. There's no strike, they cannot strike without 7 days notice, and they don't decide on that until Monday. So nothing can happen until after Easter.

In my view you cannot pay enough to find the level of professionalism required to take charge of a bomb big enough to relocate most towns into the next county, drive it safely along our crowded roads, and safely deliver its cargo to my local fuel station. If paying them whatever they are asking for continues an excellent safety record, why is anyone arguing? Oh, I forgot, the negotiators are also a product of the Laws of Natural Selection that have been interfered with by legislation and process... :rolleyes:

[bodgit]

Just been reading that the extra fuel sales have made the goverment more than £32 million in extra fuel excise duty. Halfords have reported sales of fuel cans up by by 225% which the tories will gain tax from too. What a plan. Need more tax announce a strike and advise we all stock up.

[MattW]

All the panic buying is hilarious - apart from to those who need fuel and end up not being able to get it.

As PDW has said, any strike can't happen until after Easter now, so those that have "panicked", I presume aren't planning on driving anywhere between now and then to ensure they have fuel. That can only be a good thing, as it will leave the roads nice and clear for the semi sensible amongst us. Idiots.

As for Bio Diesel, I'm sure my Seat specifically mentions against running it - last one certainly did, but can't remember if this one does. Modern "high power" diesels are fussy enough, without giving them an excuse.

[mattr]

Even Buncefield didn't really do that much damage, except to the immediate locality, certainly not "city flattening", maybe a small village, if it was really really close by, and that was a couple or three orders of magnitude more fuel than a tanker.
If you want to look at proper dangerous stuff thats tankered around the UK, some of the catalysts they deliver to chemical plants all over the UK will actually flatten large chunks of a city. They burn really fast. Really, Really fast. The term "blast radius" is an understatement.

The drivers used to get paid the same rate as normal lorry drivers, give or take a bit.

And BTW, some markets/manufacturers use dye tags in the fuel system, so if you use red, or whatever colour it is where you live, the stain will stay there until the car is scrapped. The same tags (along with some extra clues) can also be used to let us know if you've been using biofuels........ or cooking oil.

FWIW most markets are selling ordinary EN590 with between 5 and 10% bio content now. (Think 8% is the "stock" blend in most of northern europe.)

[bodgit]

This site seems a good idea if you want to share the costs of your journey. You say where your going they pay you for a seat.
www.blablacar.com (http://www.blablacar.com)

[DomSmith]

I need to get a jerry can of fuel for the mower and strimmer this weekend.:)

How do I do it without looking like a knob! :(

Pulling up in a big engined car and leaving with £5 of fuel in a can just isn't going to look very cool. :rolleyes:

[racingdwarf]

JEFFIN stupid:mad:. not filled up all week, just as normal, now I need some fuel, no desel anywere, my truck is running on vapor. why the F*"k is the panic! we have no supply problem, and even if they went on strike they have to give seven days notice.

This just goes to show how far a poloticians head is up his arse. but I supose with a 172% increse in fuel sales in the last few days the tax man will do very well this month!

[TARTMAN]

End of tha tax year and they have a couple million extra in there pockets, scum, the british sheep are pathetic to panic etc etc etc....... idiots. simple.

JEFFIN stupid:mad:. not filled up all week, just as normal, now I need some fuel, no desel anywere, my truck is running on vapor. why the F*"k is the panic! we have no supply problem, and even if they went on strike they have to give seven days notice.

This just goes to show how far a poloticians head is up his arse. but I supose with a 172% increse in fuel sales in the last few days the tax man will do very well this month!

[rondoolaa]

i actualy needed fuel this morning as my fuel light came on yesterday and i had to queue in a queue of over a mile long just to get petrol, and i wouldnt mind but i bet 90% were panic buyers and not genuine (need fuel) buyers like myself, i only stuck £20 in as that will last me ages but when i was about 30 cars away from the station the fuel was priced at £1.35.9 a litre, by the time i got the 30 cars distance and had my front wheels on the forecourt of the local esso / tesco the fuel price had gone up to £1.39.9 a litre, i wouldnt have thought that would be allowed but we had to pay it.....cant believe how many panic buyers there are out there, and how the government and companies can cash in like they are....:eh?:

[JBL]

Most garages in Peterborough are out of diesel at this time, why did the government panic people into making extra provisions for the possible tanker driver strike?

The most expensive garage I have found today was in a town called Kimbolton, where there local garage are selling diesel at £152.9p a litre!

When I first started driving leaded fuel was only 45.9p per litre and diesel was 39.9p (happy days).

[racingdwarf]

Norwich is this the same, no derv, the most anoying bit is there is no supply problem....so why the panic?

[budfish]

Even Buncefield didn't really do that much damage, except to the immediate locality, certainly not "city flattening", maybe a small village, if it was really really close by, and that was a couple or three orders of magnitude more fuel than a tanker.
If you want to look at proper dangerous stuff thats tankered around the UK, some of the catalysts they deliver to chemical plants all over the UK will actually flatten large chunks of a city. They burn really fast. Really, Really fast. The term "blast radius" is an understatement.

The drivers used to get paid the same rate as normal lorry drivers, give or take a bit.

And BTW, some markets/manufacturers use dye tags in the fuel system, so if you use red, or whatever colour it is where you live, the stain will stay there until the car is scrapped. The same tags (along with some extra clues) can also be used to let us know if you've been using biofuels........ or cooking oil.

FWIW most markets are selling ordinary EN590 with between 5 and 10% bio content now. (Think 8% is the "stock" blend in most of northern europe.)

I'm class 1 Hgv driver and also a dangerous goods licence holder i have both dangerous packages and tankers on my dangerous goods licence .I live in Manchester so can't really get petrol tanker job as the nearest is stanlow 50 miles away so not cost effective to travel that far.
As dangerous goods Hgv driver the laws and legislations are absolutely ridiculas
1. ADR (dangerous goods road transport)
2.uk domestic law
3.european working time directive
4.health and safety legislations

My salarey is near £30k based on 48 hrs per week annualised which I think is ok for a driving job but the tanker drivers get £45k so 50% More than I do which I think is wrong some of the acids/organic peroxides/oxidising agents we carry make petrol look like water. We have one tanker driver at our work he goes and picks up thinners or ethernol and is regularly followed by MI6 because it's so dangerous and in the wrong hands really could take out a full city.

I reckon the tanker drivers should stop listening to the legalised protection racket (union) UNITE as bob crow is a £1000 a bottle wine drinker what does he know about driving a tank? Tanks are really really safe it's the dicks that drive them that are unsafe. I was drove a tanker full of powder I went into a corner a bit to fast the weight shift lifted the inside rear wheels off the road. It wasn't the tank that was unsafe it was my poor driving/ in experience that caused the wheels to lift

This is dangerous stuff not only can it light itself it also produces its own oxygen creating a flaming cloud that can't be put out it has to burn out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98jOeCr06Xs&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Screw the greedy tanker drivers

[cmgreen]

1.36 for diesel at Byker Bp!! looks like its comming down

[Karting]

Petrol is 133.9p
Diesel is 137.9p

So the prices are coming down in High Wycombe

[paulc]

Get ready for the price rise apperently record high by easter :cry:

[bodgit]

I paid 142.9 lt yesterday for diesel at Wrexham.. I saw on the news somewhere selling unleaded at 152 lt.
Now costing me £12.10 more to fill my tank than it did just over 26 months ago when this thread started.

[Dave Dodd]

i paid 144.9 for diesel near me :mad::mad:

i barely use the car and need £30 a week in it :cry:

its going to kill tourism in the uk, cheaper to go abroad than to go for a day out here. :(

[tisher]

Was it not on the radio the other day about it being the lowest fuel sales in 23 years or something like that. Surely the goverment must start realising by taxing fuel so much it is stoping people driving:mad:For me personaly I have gone from my nice tdi vw back to a 02 skoda sdi to save money. I now get 500 miles to 50 quid which is handy when your doing 700 mile a week

[Dave Dodd]

gonna start biking to work again, bit cold though :lol:

[Col]

Be grateful... I do 3 tanks a week most weeks!

[cmgreen]

http://www.fairfueluk.com/

We should all sign up!

[brooksy]

i paid 144.9 for diesel near me :mad::mad:

i barely use the car and need £30 a week in it :cry:

its going to kill tourism in the uk, cheaper to go abroad than to go for a day out here. :(

I was going to fill up at a Shell station near me today until I pulled up and saw the price of diesel........148.9!!!:cry:

[cmgreen]

You signed up to www.fairfueluk.com (http://www.fairfueluk.com) ?

[paulc]

Check out www.petrolprices.com (http://www.petrolprices.com) put your postcode in will give you the cheapest places closest to you.:)