BRCA Mid South Regional dates - 2011

[Darren Boyle]

The meeting to decide this years regional dates took place last night full details are as follows;

Subject to confirmation by all clubs and venues the following are the regional off road dates for the BRCA Chilterns/Mid South region for this year.

2wd
Round 1 - DMS Model Car Club (Watford) - May 22nd
Round 2 - Herts Model car Club (Ware) - June 5th
Round 3 - Silverstone Model Car Club - July 17th
Round 4 - Stotfold Model Car Club - August 7th

4wd
Round 1 - Stotfold Model Car Club - April 3rd
Round 2 - Silverstone Model Car Club - June 12th
Round 3 - DMS Model Car Club (Watford) - July 3rd
Round 4 - Herts Model Car Club (Ware) - July 31st

Both series will be best 3 from 4 rounds to count

An "emergency" date of August 21st has been pencilled in to the calender should any meeting fall foul of inclement weather or similar like we experienced a few years back (please try to keep this date free - just in case)

Open events will be held at all round for classes outides of the "regional class" (including trucks, short course and possibly micros - if enough interest in any class)

Booking in will be via the familiar DMS Booking-In service at www.dmsresults.co.uk (http://www.dmsresults.co.uk/) (available shortly over the coming few weeks)

Booking in is £10 pre-entered, £15 pay on the day for the BRCA regional class - Open Class's £5

Trophies for the BRCA class will be awarded for TQ overall and 1st place in every final at each meeting, plus an overall series winners trophy for top Junior (under 16), Top F3, Top F4 and Top F5 in both classes.

A first for this year is that ALL racers are expected to have access or use of a PT for lap counting, only minimal handout or loan units will be around at each meeting.

[JCJC]

Stotfold web site have the downloadable booking form & driver standings for 2011. (lots of information on the entry form)

www.stotfoldmcc.co.uk/regional.php

The Mid-South Map (http://tinyurl.com/lkur6k)

[budgio]

Looking forward to trying out the Ware track.
Will we be using the astro track or a nice DIRT layout ?

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q104/jimbothompson/track20103.jpg

Whatever it is i hope its hot and sunny :thumbsup:

[JCJC]

think I noticed something on the website regarding a new all astro track, but it seemed to elude me secondtime I looked. Looks a busy place, open every day.

http://www.hertsnitromodelclub.co.uk/index.php?ID=36
1/2/2011 - just found this page.

[Piman]

Is the DMS booking-in service up yet? I have been looking but can't see anything.

Would not put it past me to be looking in the wrong place. :blush:

Thanks

James

[Huckster522]

I have checked, checked and treble checked but DMS does not have the regional booking in yet, perhaps this is down to the website issues that Darren has said about, hopefully it will be up and running soon.

[Darren Boyle]

I have checked, checked and treble checked but DMS does not have the regional booking in yet, perhaps this is down to the website issues that Darren has said about, hopefully it will be up and running soon.

No, sadly it was down to my dad pasing away suddenly just two days after we had the meeting to decide the dates etc. All that I promised in terms of timescales etc on thre Wednesday went out of the window in a flash on Friday 28th Jan.

I am slowly getting back on top oif things and hope to have the booking in LIVE shortly, but it has been a VERY hectic last 29 days or so what with the funeral and other things requiring sorting out as a result of this.

I "hope" to have it live some time this week if I get chance.

[mikeyscott]

Hoping to do mid south in between torch. I believe we aren't clashing

[Darren Boyle]

I am pleased to say that the Booking In is now open, (sorry for the delay, I have lots on in the last month as most of you know).

The front page of the site still shows "2010" dates announced and has details of last years clubs (which includes PDA) but this will be updated hopefully tomorrow and will show the details for the Herts Club in Ware also..

In the meantime, get yourselves booked in here - www.dmsresults.co.uk (http://www.dmsresults.co.uk)

[mikeyscott]

Looking to get booked into these - cheers Darren and all the best for this tough time.

Who'll be doing shop honors at these tracks?

With Southampton being so far away it'll look like a hotel the night before :( due to the early starts for Stotfold and Herts

[Darren Boyle]

We will be at "at least" 7 of the 8 rounds with our shop (hopefully at all 8) as we do every year (and have done for the last 15 or so years)

[mikeyscott]

We will be at "at least" 7 of the 8 rounds with our shop (hopefully at all 8) as we do every year (and have done for the last 15 or so years)

Thanks Darren, will be first year doing regionals.

Control tyres?

[Jonesy]

Hi guys

I've entered for Stotfold but I'm not looking at scoring points in the Mid South Region, there was no where to note this though, who needs to know this?

[spenner]

Let them know on the day, it won't be a problem

[Jonesy]

Cheers John :thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

How much practice will be available and is there a control tyre for Stotfold?

[RudeTony]

Normally open type practice Mike and Schumacher or Ballistic tyres as the BRCA rules.
You wouldn't use anything else anyways mate

[Smartalec]

Hi guys

I've entered for Stotfold but I'm not looking at scoring points in the Mid South Region, there was no where to note this though, who needs to know this?

I've just had a look on the DMS website regarding entries for this first regional at Stotfold. I would hope that anyone who is NOT scoring points for the region would be placed in the open class whether they are doing 4wd or 2wd regardless.

In the past there have been people who are mixed in with the regional point scorers in qualifying and then removed from the list at the finals stage. This is wrong, simply because if there is an incident on the track involving that person and a point scorer it could cause the point scorer to be penalised for no fault of his/her own.

You would think that anyone who is not intending to complete enough scoring rounds of the series would also be placed in the open class.

On another point, I see that it appears the entries are capped at 60, why would this be? If there is to be a limit to the entry number then there shouldn't be an open class at all.

It would be unfair to inform a POINT SCORING competitor that he is 61st on the list and therefore a reserve if you have a further 30 people running in an open class.!!!!! :bored:

[mikeyscott]

I was suprised to see the Stotfold regional two weeks before the national.

Surely this gives an unfair advantage going into the national etc. and also causes lots of non region drivers to book in etc.

I'm intending on doing most of the 4WD mid south racing, just not sure on the 2WD yet with my commitments at home and TORCH.

Whatever the case this is my first year at regionals and certainly looking forward to it even though I'll be at the back :cry:

[RudeTony]

Alec, you are right in some of your comments.
Although I know we all want to race against top drivers there is a scanario that it could cost someone if there is an incident.
I am sure the people practicing there for the National will have no issue at all in going into an open class. If enough then separate 2wd and 4wd heats.
My concern is slightly different.
I am sure it's not capped at 60 - I think that is there or has been there for the winter months.
The concern is getting all the locals booked in for the regional prior to everyone else practicing (sorry those)
I am sure that the more the better and the club could do with a real good turnout - give everyone a brush at the end of the day and the track will be done for the National in 30 minutes LOL

[Smartalec]

I agree Tony, I have no problem at all with as many of the top drivers attending as possible, but they should definitely be placed into the open class whether they are doing 4wd or 2wd throughout qualifying and not mixed in with the regional competitors who are competing against each other in a series.

I showed my concern about the capping of the entries and i'm sure this is (hope) an error and not actually the case :thumbsup:

[Darren Boyle]

I've just had a look on the DMS website regarding entries for this first regional at Stotfold. I would hope that anyone who is NOT scoring points for the region would be placed in the open class whether they are doing 4wd or 2wd regardless.

In the past there have been people who are mixed in with the regional point scorers in qualifying and then removed from the list at the finals stage. This is wrong, simply because if there is an incident on the track involving that person and a point scorer it could cause the point scorer to be penalised for no fault of his/her own.

You would think that anyone who is not intending to complete enough scoring rounds of the series would also be placed in the open class.

On another point, I see that it appears the entries are capped at 60, why would this be? If there is to be a limit to the entry number then there shouldn't be an open class at all.

It would be unfair to inform a POINT SCORING competitor that he is 61st on the list and therefore a reserve if you have a further 30 people running in an open class.!!!!! :bored:

Hi Alec,

Firstly, who goes into what heat is at the discretion of the club on the day (as has been discussed further up the thread), I am sure that Keith will do on the day what is best for all concerned.

For me personally, I see NO problem with everyone being in the same heats but then spolit only for the finals. Yes your point is vlaid about a "non scorer" affecting a "scorer" etc, but if the heats are purely based on abiilit alone then surely in EVERY heat you have a far better chance of being in with people as capable as you are. As an example, IF everyone is taking out of mixed heats drivers like myself would stand a "chance" of being in the top heat (based on previuos years results) but in truth I cannot live with the likes of Kev etc around that track and am nowehre near that standard. The guys in the top heats stand FAR MORE CHANCE of finding me upside down on my roof coming into a corner than any of the others who would be in that heat if it was based on ability alone. No-one can say for certain whther it will help or hinder you (or anyone else for that matter) adn to race in a tighter heat with more competiton surely has to be better for the racing IMHO. BUT they HAVE to be taken out of finals obviuosly.

On the entry "cap". There is no "cap" I simply have to enter a "number" in the meeting directory when it is set up. Since no regionals in the last 9 years has had more than 50 ish in the main class I set it to 60, but it can (and just has been) be altered up or down with ease (it is now 90) so it is no problem at all. As I have discused with Tony before, I think the "60" number is a good thing since it hurries some people up into booking in earlier instead of dragging their feet, which in turns helps the club massively to get organised for the day with trophies and catering etc in advance. So if anyone does not want to be number 61 on any future lists, then BOOK IN EARLIER.... LOL

Hope that helps, Darren

[Darren Boyle]

I was suprised to see the Stotfold regional two weeks before the national.

Surely this gives an unfair advantage going into the national etc. and also causes lots of non region drivers to book in etc.

I'm intending on doing most of the 4WD mid south racing, just not sure on the 2WD yet with my commitments at home and TORCH.

Whatever the case this is my first year at regionals and certainly looking forward to it even though I'll be at the back :cry:

Why is it "unfair" Mike? Are you saying that no club on the national calendar should run a meeting before they have held their national. If that is the case then Southport would not be able to race until after August

It is the way the dates fell this year with certian clubs (Herts and DMS) not able to run meetinsg thsi early in the calendar and Silverstone already invloved in a large indoor meeting the day before this, it only left Stotfold to run on this date and there are no other spares dates the region could cater for......

[David Church]

I don't think people should qualify in with a regional championship if there not counting for points or part of that region.

I am surprised to see an entry cap as well.

[Darren Boyle]

Read the above Dave, "no cap", just encouragement for people to pre-book :D

[David Church]

Read the above Dave, "no cap", just encouragement for people to pre-book :D

Cheers Darren, clears that up.

But "I THINK" youre wrong about people qualifying for the regional championship and then taking them out for the finals.
This is just not fair full stop. It does have a knock on affect down the entry list of what sort of heat a driver would qualify in.

I also don't think drivers should be able to race in both classes on the day, this gives extra track time and again I think it's not fair.

[mikeyscott]

Cheers Darren, clears that up.

I also don't think drivers should be able to race in both classes on the day, this gives extra track time and again I think it's not fair.

I have to agree with this one..

Looking forward to the regional though :thumbsup:

[Darren Boyle]

Everyone has an opinion, to me the knock on effect only helps so that your heat is closer competiton and more people of YOUR ability or similiar are in it, rather than some who you will get thrashed by and some who you will thrash yourself when the ability is more spread. Of course the old chestnut also rings true, it is only qualifying and drivers should not affect each other (although we all know that they do)

To suggest those not competing in three or more be taken out is impossible, at this stage some Mid South drivers simply dont know if they are doing 2, 3, or 4 rounds yet, but taking the non Mid South racers out is easy enough...

However, the decision of who goes in what heat is down to Keith Wardle on the day and I am sure he is expereinced enough to know what to do for the best of all concerned

[David Church]

To suggest those not competing in three or more be taken out is impossible, at this stage some Mid South drivers simply dont know if they are doing 2, 3, or 4 rounds yet, but taking the non Mid South racers out is easy enough...

However, the decision of who goes in what heat is down to Keith Wardle on the day and I am sure he is expereinced enough to know what to do for the best of all concerned



Fair enough.

[jondell]

If you are a Mid South competitor you should be allowed to compete in the regional event whether you are doing the series or not... thats like saying your not doing the national series, so you can have a go, but your be in separate finals... :confused:

Its a Mid south regional event which is open to racers that choose to race in the Mid South region. As per the BRCA rules, you are not allowed to enter more than one regional championship. Should Joe Blogs and others want to race in Mid South this year and not one more local to them, that is their choice. Should that happen then of course it does mean they have eliminated themselves from entering other regions events.

Thats why regions were never set up to where you live or what club your a member off, but by which regional champs you choose.

And if a club decides to run an open class at said regional event, then great, more the merrier, but it should be a separate class, just like 2wd or 4wd.

[RudeTony]

Darren and others,
If lets say you and I are equal in ability, we know I am better but just think like that if you possibly can for a moment - LOL
If you get put in the top heat and I don't, i think you have an advantage over me from the off.
You could be able to hook up behind potential National A finalists to show you the way round that evidently is quicker and you end up out qualifying me. God the thought makes me feel ill. LOL
You must agree there is a point here.
Not wanting to argue but there are different opinions for sure.
Likewise the opposite could happen and what I mean is this an example.
Lets say a top UK driver is racing in the regional and he has a lock up on his drive train or decides he is going to take a section madly fast to see if his car is capable of doing it and bare in mind he is practicing on the day, then it could effect me or you or anyone in the qualifying of that event and it could be costly.
These are just some hypothetical points, and I am sure many can point scenarios for and against.

My opinion is I don’t care so long as they get out of my way!
LOL

Jon, I think it's meant for drivers that state they don't want to score points in our region

[Cockerill]

Can a driver who is competing in the regional class (say 4wd) also compete in the non-regional class (say 2wd) on the same day?

[chuckie stella]

Can a driver who is competing in the regional class (say 4wd) also compete in the non-regional class (say 2wd) on the same day?

I think so buddy!

[RudeTony]

1st regional next week lads and remember that the rules state that we have to use a Lipo Sack for charging safe.
Keith our regional rep pointed this out to us this weekend.
I am sure all the local shops have them in stock so DMS Racing, MK Racing and so on if you haven't got one.

[simoncrabb]

1st regional next week lads and remember that the rules state that we have to use a Lipo Sack for charging safe.
Keith our regional rep pointed this out to us this weekend.
I am sure all the local shops have them in stock so DMS Racing, MK Racing and so on if you haven't got one.

Good call Tony, I'd forgotten all about this!!

We've got some in stock too, will bring a variety along to Stotfold, anyone wanting one put to one PM me.

[Darren Boyle]

Looks like my original limit for 60 drivers in the 4wd class would have been more than enough ;) (that number was based on experience and not just plucked from the sky)

[Smartalec]

Looks like my original limit for 60 drivers in the 4wd class would have been more than enough ;) (that number was based on experience and not just plucked from the sky)
So based on this experience you won't need to pluck a figure from the sky for any of the other regionals then, you can just leave it open as it should be :wub

[Darren Boyle]

Reading not your strong point then Alec? I did say earlier in the thread that the way the system is set up we have to enter a number for the maximum entry and to confirm, it appears that 60 is more than adequate for this as it has been for the last 6 years, unless of course you know better?

You are more than welcome to come and do it yourself if you think you know better and would like to contribute to the regional series.......

[Battle_axe]

Oh dear handbags at dawn Sunday Alec and Darren is it?

[Darren Boyle]

Oh dear handbags at dawn Sunday Alec and Darren is it? LOL

No just Alec being his usual self as normal :p :woot:

[RudeTony]

Darren - make sure you run your Big Bores!

[Darren Boyle]

Losi ones or Kyosho though!!!

[_sleigh_]

What time in the morning anyone?

[Huckster522]

I think the gates will be open from about 7.30ish, but as always please respect the family in the farmhouse, as it is an early start!!!

many thanks

Adrian

[_sleigh_]

How abou practice, booking in etc? I've got a 2 hour drive and need all the sleep I can get :)

[chuckie stella]

I think practice opens at 08.00 mate.

[Huckster522]

Beaten to it by matt.

Practice starts about 8.00 with booking in normally at 9.00, or when Keith calls it open.
With racing starting normally around 10.00.

Adrian

[_sleigh_]

Cheers both

[mikeyscott]

Many thanks to those that ran Stotfold yesterday etc. My first visit to the track and my first race within a regional series.

Look forward to seeing the results, even though I was disappointed with my performance.

[Darren Boyle]

Darren - make sure you run your Big Bores!

What like you did :p LOL

[mikeyscott]

What like you did :p LOL

Losi big bores on Mr Stafford's car looked very nice. Kyosho big bores look nice too.

So who has made the best big bores thus far then.. Losi, Schumacher, Kyosho or Durango (most prob not seen them..) :p

[RudeTony]

What like you did :p LOL

Oh you are so so unfair!!!!

[JCJC]

Any results............. A

[RudeTony]

Kevin Lee - Pred - F1
Lloyd Storey - SX3 - F1
John Spencer - Kyosho - F1
Alec Springer - Pred - F1
Richard Ralph - Durango - F1
Tony Evdoka - Kyosho - F2
David Orbell - Durango - F1
Trish Neil - SX2 - F1
David Burton - B44.1 - F2
Alex Carter - Kyosho - F2

I am sure it's the finishing result - will stand to be corrected though

[Darren Boyle]

Oh you are so so unfair!!!!

So "slow" you mean :woot:

Well done yesterday old boy, life in the old dog yet then..... ;)

[JCJC]

Thanks Tony, guess Darren needs to get that X7 in there.

[RudeTony]

Thanks Tony, guess Darren needs to get that X7 in there.

He had all the right set up and the right car but I think those days are over - bless! :) LOL

[simoncrabb]

But hey, it did mean me, Darren and Chris Ely had a right ol' ding dong down in the C final!

Good racing! :thumbsup:

[Darren Boyle]

He had all the right set up and the right car but I think those days are over - bless! :) LOL

Not sure about right car and set up ;)

If that was the right set up then I best hang up my transmitter.......

Bring on the X7, the sooner the better :thumbsup:

[chuckie stella]

Kevin Lee - Pred - F1
Lloyd Storey - SX3 - F1
John Spencer - Kyosho - F1
Alec Springer - Pred - F1
Richard Ralph - Durango - F1
Tony Evdoka - Kyosho - F2
David Orbell - Durango - F1
Trish Neil - SX2 - F1
David Burton - B44.1 - F2
Alex Carter - Kyosho - F2

I am sure it's the finishing result - will stand to be corrected though

I'll buy you a new wooden spoon and bring it to the stotfold national Tone :lol:

[budgio]

A bit of footage from the 1st and 3rd A finals

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se5BJ4Kw_Jk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bahzkJVHb0

[mikeyscott]

So for the regionals it's a minimum of 3 out of 4 in order to be "recognised" at the end of the series?

Just trying to work which other events to attend etc. as I'll struggle to do both classes etc.

[TheReferee]

read post 1 of this thread and the answer is there

[mikeyscott]

read post 1 of this thread and the answer is there

Apologies missed that

[JCJC]

A look at last years 4WD year end results may help

http://www.stotfoldmcc.co.uk/results/4wdoverall2010.htm

34 drivers completed 3 or more rounds, 30 only able to manage 2 rounds