Rally Racing - 1/10th Buggys

[Nick Goodall]

This was just a random thought i had so please don't take it too seriously, i just thought i'd see if anyone's ever tried this or thought about it for racing?

Obviously our tracks are built for 10 cars to race around so are all nice and big/wide which is great..... but for a one off meeting how would this be for a laugh?

The idea i had would be to layout a track but in a rally "stage" kind of idea where obviously it would be a lot narrower which therefore means it could be a lot longer lap time.

How about no practise, no marshalls and you literally start off on your own and the next car doesn't go until you've completed the "stage".

I was thinking you could even do it one way for round 1, let all cars run and see who was fastest through the stage.

Round 2 you could reverse the track (again no practise or marshalls, you crash and you're out)

Round 3 you could do a back to back lap where you have to complete one way through the stage, turn round at the end and then come back on yourself.

Round 4 as above but in reverse.

Obviously there are loads of other ways you could do it (i.e have 3 laps at it) or whatever to increase track time but depending on Numbers it would probably be fine like the above.

Only a random idea i had but i just thought it would make quite a fun day out if you have limited numbers (which seems a common theme these days) and would just bring a bit of a different atmosphere to the racing.

Would all come down to clean but fast driving on a narrow track you don't know....

Thought it could be fun as a one off anyway :D With a track 1/2 the normal width you could obviously use main features twice through one lap too which could be cool at certain tracks (batley etc)

[Nick Goodall]

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[ashleyb4]

Thats an ace idea!

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[Southwell]

I think we should have a team event. Split into teams of three or four and whatever team gets the most laps on the board wins. No limit on track time, just full on racing!
O and fair teams.

[JCJC]

or......using half width of existing track with a crossover like the timed events at full size, 2 cars against each eliminator......may try to draw something later............must have been done somewhere?

(am I making work for myself here?)

[Nick Goodall]

or......using half width of existing track with a crossover like the timed events at full size, 2 cars against each eliminator......may try to draw something later............must have been done somewhere?

(am I making work for myself here?)

Yeah the Special stages are cool and would no doubt work well too - should be even if each car has to do a lap of each bit too!

[markwilliamson2001]

I like the cross over idea most, as it would appeal for normal track building. I am sure that it wouldnt matter if you did 5 (for example) laps in the quickest time. Starting each car at half way round the circuit. (1 half dirt, the other grass...) I can post a picture if anyone wants to know more.

Sort of like pushbike racing on an oval, but also with right hand turns!!

Mark

[terry.sc]

R/C rallying is very big in the Czech Republic and Poland. Proper narrow rally courses, each car going one at a time with no marshalling - the drivers follow the cars around the track and reversing ESCs are used. Narrow tracks means it's more about driving skills instead of how much power you've got.http://www.thetechshed.co.uk/4432.jpg

Plenty more pics here http://www.intercup.cz/Foto/Foto2007.htm

And check out this video of a Superstage setup
http://elva-elektro.cz/video/rcrallyluzickehory_rcsport.wmv

[Nick Goodall]

Wow that looks pretty cool, makes some great photo's!!

http://www.intercup.cz/Foto/Stare_fota/images/fotogalerie/2006/extrem/14.jpg



Only thing i'm not sure on there is the whole following the car around while driving it - surely if you were any good the car would be long gone before you can keep up??

My idea would be racing from the Rostrum as normal but make the normal track at least 1/2 the normal width and obviously a lot more twisty as you'll have far more room to play with and rather then just completing circuits it would be a long enough lap that you could time the cars through the lap or "stage" if you like..... just so the idea of rallying is there but the tracks wouldn't be quite as narrow as a proper rally stage (if it was to scale) :D

[josh_smaxx]

That is cool!!!! I mean they go a bit far modelling the stages and following the cars round but the idea rocks!

[ashleyb4]

That is ace where do they do this again i love it.

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[Gaz_Stanton]

If you read above it says Czech republic & Poland. :rolleyes:

Go and race there Ash. We can start an Oople collection for the (one way!!) air fare. I'm sure it wouldn't take long to get enough donations... :p :D

[Teddy truman]

Race of champions style!

[Chris Doughty]

I have always thought it would be ace to 'simply' run a hose down the centre of the track all the way round and leave a gap down the straight.

race 2 cars head-to-head in each lane, swap lanes on 'lap 2' so you both get to race both lanes..

pretty much what Truman said....

[Southwell]

I think indoors this would be awesome, could have some really innovative obsticles and jumps etc.

[MK999]

I've always thought that it'd be great to have an actual rally class, as in saloon style impreza's running around dirt tracks, but it'd have to take off in a big way as the tracks would have to be pretty much just for them, our current tracks are probably too large scale jump wise. Not sure about running round a smaller track than currently without marshalls though, i use the marshalls enough on a full width track :D

[Southwell]

There were some heats for rally x cars a few years ago at tivvy and other places, although it was fun, it didnt really take off.

[MK999]

I can see why it wouldn't when you can pick up a buggy and take on bigger jumps and rougher terrain, that's always gonna appeal to the masses, i just like the idea of putting saloons sideways (without plastic tyres and silly camber to make it look 'ghetto street' :p) Rallying in general is less popular than it was, not sure it's even televised now is it? :(

[Southwell]

It's got full coverage on Eurosport. WRC and the lower classes.

[ashleyb4]

rallying is still telovised its ace i love it. Used to go watch it to went to taten park about 10 years ago we got shitted up to the eyeballs but it was ace fun never had a funner day in my life.

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[MK999]

aha, used to be on ITV a while back, unfortunately i rarely get control of the sky at home and i don't even have a TV at uni let alone sattelite channels :p

[Chris Green]

rallying is still telovised its ace i love it. Used to go watch it to went to taten park about 10 years ago we got shitted up to the eyeballs but it was ace fun never had a funner day in my life.

A

lmao at "funner".

quality word. :cool:

[Nick Goodall]

HPI / Mirage organised a Rally series in the Winter of what must have been 1999 i think..... it was ace, we raced them at Kiddy, Hampshire, indoors at the Model Engineers show and somewhere else but i can't remember now....

I was racing for Mirage at the time and had an HPI Ford Focus to race, Craggy, William Mitchum, Jamie Booth and a few others all raced at least the first meeting at Kiddy - it was a bit of a laugh - all running 19T motors and control tyres but it didn't really get going.

I also ran the TC3 Rally car thing they did for a while - that was cool on an off road(ish) track.

[terry.sc]

Only thing i'm not sure on there is the whole following the car around while driving it - surely if you were any good the car would be long gone before you can keep up??

A couple of videos of them in action
http://www.elva-elektro.cz/video/MH_rally_winter_06.wmv
http://elva-elektro.cz/video/rcrally...ry_rcsport.wmv (http://elva-elektro.cz/video/rcrallyluzickehory_rcsport.wmv)

Notice the tracks are quite often scale width as well, no point running a 10 turn when the track is only 1/2 meter wide at most. Also a bit difficult for them to marshal their own cars when they are on a rostrum. Doesn't mean anyone over here has to do it that way.

[terry.sc]

I have always thought it would be ace to 'simply' run a hose down the centre of the track all the way round and leave a gap down the straight.

race 2 cars head-to-head in each lane, swap lanes on 'lap 2' so you both get to race both lanes..

pretty much what Truman said....Great simple solution to it, just might have to put an extra loop in one side so they don't end up at the crossover at the same time. Just like the full size supersprints, once a couple of sets of buggies have gone round you can tell which one is winning at any point so great for spectating.

[terry.sc]

HPI / Mirage organised a Rally series in the Winter of what must have been 1999 i think..... it was ace, we raced them at Kiddy, Hampshire, indoors at the Model Engineers show and somewhere else but i can't remember now....

it was a bit of a laugh - all running 19T motors and control tyres but it didn't really get going.One of my mates started running in that series, he started well then dropped down the order as the day went on. He found out the fastest drivers were using a new set of the control tyres for every race so he never went back and none of us joined in because what seemed like fun was suddenly expensive. Shame really.

[terry.sc]

I've always thought that it'd be great to have an actual rally class, as in saloon style impreza's running around dirt tracks, but it'd have to take off in a big way as the tracks would have to be pretty much just for them, our current tracks are probably too large scale jump wise.
I've run a rally converted touring car around astroturf tracks no problem, with the added advantage you can't break a shock mount if it lands upside down. Jumps definitely aren't a problem, they jump as well as a buggy, the only problem is they can't run over grass unless it's cropped really short.

I can see why it wouldn't when you can pick up a buggy and take on bigger jumps and rougher terrain, that's always gonna appeal to the masses, Strangely enough a bunch of scale rally cars appeals to the (non off road racing) masses more than a totally unscale modern buggy.

If you want something as capable as a buggy any of the older guys remember when we raced these? For the younger members yes it's a buggy under the shell.
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[Nick Goodall]

One of my mates started running in that series, he started well then dropped down the order as the day went on. He found out the fastest drivers were using a new set of the control tyres for every race so he never went back and none of us joined in because what seemed like fun was suddenly expensive. Shame really.

I'm not sure about that from memory, the cars had far toooo much grip at Kiddy so we were having to trim them down.

The best track was surprisingly Hampshire as it was a bit greasy the cars were sliding really nicely - that was a really good fun day.

I remember the Rallycross series - it just died out as i started racing but i know some of the guys that raced in our region back in the day like Pete Stevens and Mike Penfold were into it in a big way!

[GRIFF55]

I still have my frewer rs200 shell ready to go!! In Saundersfoot buggy club we used to run on tarmac and gravel(very fine), that was fun!!

[terry.sc]

The best track was surprisingly Hampshire as it was a bit greasy the cars were sliding really nicely - that was a really good fun day.I think Hampshire was the first, which is why only one of us made it down there and would explain why he struggled to be competitive while using one set of tyres all day.

BTW Tamiya rally blocks work quite well at Kidderminster:D
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=47050&id=3623
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=47087&id=297
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/showroom_model.asp?cid=47026&id=280

[MK999]

My first ever car ran on tamiya rally blocks, little nitro tamiya, don't even remember the chassis name, legendary little car :D killed the engine twice because the air filter fell off the dodgy carb :p