Schumacher CAT SX3 1/10th Competition 4WD

[jimmy]

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Schumacher Racing have announced their stunning new 4WD 1/10th off-road buggy - the new SX3, an evolution in the design of the hugely popular SX buggies that saw the team return to off road competition. The new car features a revised drivetrain that sees the motor move to a true mid layout.

The new CAT SX3 follows on from the highly successful CAT SX range. Stronger and more durable than ever before! An all new mid-motor design with central lipo battery positioning offers fantastic balance, control and agility. Jumping like the Pro's is made super easy with the new compact layout and corresponding motor/wheel rotation. Awesome acceleration and straight line speeds are still achieved.

With the inclusion of the excellent large capacity big bore shocks, high down force MAX sized rear wing and new cool body the CAT SX3 remains the market leader.

Designed to race, designed to win! The CAT SX3.

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Features;

-NEW Mid motor layout.
-NEW Optimum weight distribution with saddle pack lipo layout
-NEW 3 belt transmission with efficient low tension belts running on large size CNC machined pulleys.
-NEW Precision, hardened steel transfer gears. Superb durability.
-NEW Rubber sealed, super precision ball bearings throughout.
-NEW Larger layshaft bearings.
-NEW Rear belt power roller and mid belt tensioner now included.
-NEW Adjustable internal transmission ratio (2.2:1, 2.6:1, or 3.0:1) to optimise ratio for all motors.
-NEW design tight fitting body and undertray. Offers excellent dirt protection, aerodynamics and cooling options.
-NEW easy to assemble, rigid wing mount system.
-Motor rotates the same direction as the wheels creating a car with superb jumping responsiveness and no torque steer effect as is common with shaft drive cars.

-Super free ball diffs with silicone nitride balls, pro spec thrust bearing, and lightened steel outputs.

-Strong steel universal joint driveshafts.

-Smooth twin pad slipper clutch with easy access adjustment.

-Unique clamp motor mount to fine tune weight distribution, and allow motor changes without affecting gear mesh.

-Industry standard wheel fittings.

-Eccentric bearing housings for adjustment of belt tension and diff height.

-Layshaft or front one way option. Overdrive front pulley option.

-2.5mm aerospace grade carbon fibre chassis and top decks.

-Horizontally split transmission housings for ease of maintenance and diff access.

-Ultra narrow chassis design to minimise grounding on roll.

-Rigid servo mount directly onto transmission housing for precise steering.

-Max sized rear wing.

-Class leading suspension geometry with durable components and a huge range of optional alloy parts, offering adjustments to set up your CAT SX3 to any track conditions.

-Adjustable rear roll centres, inboard toe-in/toe-out, anti squat and track width (using optional Speed Secret parts).

-Adjustable front roll centres, inboard toe-in/toe-out, track width and rake angle (using optional Speed Secret parts).

-Pro spec big bore shocks with titanium nitride shafts, CNC machined pistons with recessed ‘e’clips, threaded collars, twin O ring sealing and diaphragm volume compensation.

-Strong and rigid 4mm carbon fibre shock brackets.

CAT SX3 S1 version includes;

-S1 Composite Material replaces all Carbon Fibre components.
-All further spec's the same as Pro C/F Version.

[jimmy]

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[jimmy]

Published at 9:30am since it was already published before the prescribed time of 10am GMT on petitrc.

[jameswilkinson7]

VERY nice:drool:

[johnboy]

Nice car but i hope it comes with decent turnbuckles not the ones made of carrot:lol:

[Mr. Red]

Just got to love that. Very nice.

[telboy]

I like it, it has the old 90's shell styling to it.
Looks like it may be able to be a conversion kit too? for people that already have CAT SX's. Should be cool to see how it handles compared to the original.

[blitzboy]

looks good nice shell too well done schuey looking good

[Funkymojo]

The CAT SX3 looks ace...looks like it has a similar chassis layout like the CAT 3000. Very nice to see a mixture a new and old designs from Schumacher. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[stegger]

Looks very nice :) liking the new shell with through air vents , no more bendy wing mounts or snapping o-rings :thumbsup: Can't believe they haven't addressed the front bracing of the front hingepins ;);)
Looks good though. Just waiting for the usual backlash on more new stuff coming out !!! Bring it on i say keeps everyone on there toe's.
Well done shui i say :)

[Northern Monkey]

Typical, buy a Second hand SX2 off Ben 2 days ago and Schumacher release the SX3!!!!!!!

There’s no justice :(

Hope they do a conversion

[Big G]

I think the biggest improvement is the shell now covers the whole car instead of stopping halfway down the side :D

[crystalbowie]

Wow, very nice :drool:

Seems like R/F bumpers could be suitable on Cougar SV?

[stegger]

I like it, it has the old 90's shell styling to it.
Looks like it may be able to be a conversion kit too? for people that already have CAT SX's. Should be cool to see how it handles compared to the original.

Yeh reminds me of the XX4 shell.

[Chrislong]

mmmmmmmmh nice. :blush:

[steelie600]

Very nice infact!!! I also spot beefed up rear arms so no more random breakages. Still dissapointed no alloy arm holders like the sx1, so theyll be needed as a hop up. IF I didnt have a new 4wd coming very soon id definately buy one cos I loves my cat!!

[musicman]

not entirely sure why the price has gone up... I know it's a recession, but it's a replacement for the SX2, I assume. I would have thought the price would have remained the same

[SimonW]

The whole car reminds me of a XX4 the layout is only slightly different but the 3 belts is the clincher. It should be very good on track i bet.

[stegger]

Slipper looks better with the pressure spring on the plate's instead of the other end of the shaft. Looks a lot neater. :)

[MiCk B.]

3 belts, does remind me of the XX4 as well.

Also does it remind anyone of the original BJ4, then the worlds edition.

The Original Bj4 was stick pack, then the worlds was saddle pack.

Worlds year as well this year, so I'd imagine a lot more manufactures will have new kit in the works.

MiCk B. :-)

[DaveG28]

Any word on release date etc?

[moth898]

There better be alot of compatible parts witht the sx2, otherwise I'll have a sh!$)(&*D of extra parts!!!!

A conversion kit would be the best.

[RogerM]

Looks like a well thought out car it has to be said. Shell is a 1000% improvement on the original too.

Be interesting to see them go and as Mick B says I bet there are a few revised cars in the pipe line from all the big players.

Anybody else looking at it and thinking "British TRF511"?

[stegger]

Any word on release date etc?

When the sun comes out dave "Due Spring 2011"

[Big G]

There better be alot of compatible parts witht the sx2, otherwise I'll have a sh!$)(&*D of extra parts!!!!

A conversion kit would be the best.

In all honestly I think the only bits that changed have been the chassis, top deck(s), 2 belts, the centre trans housing (I bet the internals are pretty much the same) and battery straps.

The rest looks exactly like the SX2. It's almost like it should of been called the SX2.1... The complete front and back look exactly the same apart from finally they did away with those stupid rubber bands. After I snapped 3 lots in 2 race meetings I superglued it all together and never had a problem! The new mounts look an easy upgrade to any SX1/2 though.

The 'upgrade' parts for the idle gears also put the slipper adjustment on the spur side which gave a much better feel rather than all or nothing which I found happened a lot with the older system.

[Cockerill]

In all honestly I think the only bits that changed have been the chassis, top deck(s), 2 belts, the centre trans housing (I bet the internals are pretty much the same) and battery straps.

The centre housing now runs on 5mm bearings instead of 4mm, which IMO is a big upgrade :thumbsup: Which means new slipper shafts & plates too I think. There's also new rear lower housings to match.

Unfortunately I don't think a conversion kit would be economical as it's mainly the expensive (alloy/carbon) parts that are new, but thats just my thoughts.

[racingdwarf]

Looks nice, IF they bring a convo kit out, with a few very rough sums I have just done:blush: lookin at the NEW! bits it has listed on there site and working with current prices of chassis ,top decks and shortish belts etc for the sx2 I recon the convo should be £150ish. Not bad makes me feel better about the second hand cat I have just bought:lol:

This is if Schumacker do a kit......Might see pound signs and hope we spend a fortune on getting all the indervidual parts needed,or hopeing we all shove our SX's in the parts box and rush out to buy a new kit:eh?:

I bought the sx as I have a load of stick lipos.....have to see how this goes

[stegger]

Tom beat me to it. The lower rear bulk heads are totally different.

[racingdwarf]

The centre housing now runs on 5mm bearings instead of 4mm, which IMO is a big upgrade :thumbsup: Which means new slipper shafts & plates too I think. There's also new rear lower housings to match.

Unfortunately I don't think a conversion kit would be economical as it's mainly the expensive (alloy/carbon) parts that are new, but thats just my thoughts.


So is this car a vast improvment, a must have!?? or is it a diffrent style than the sx2, as altho it looks diffrent, there is no cutting edge reinvent the wheel stuff here, as has been said...looks like an xx4/BJ4 worlds.

If schumacher are saying the sx2 is not as good as this car, why bother with the sx2, could have saved us a few quid and brought this out before, saddle packs have be arround some time.

i ask Tom this as he is one of the most honest team drivers I have met:blush:

[Chris119]

Thanks Schumacher! Made my decision between selling and keeping my Durango now!
Schumi it is!:D

[Richard Lowe]

Also does it remind anyone of the original BJ4, then the worlds edition.

The Original Bj4 was stick pack, then the worlds was saddle pack.
Yeah they're only 5 years behind the times now :p

It's good it's being evolved and (potentially) improved though. Is anyone else thinking if it had a single front belt it'd pretty much be a CAT 3000 re-release?!

[gazhillAE]

The centre housing now runs on 5mm bearings instead of 4mm, which IMO is a big upgrade :thumbsup: Which means new slipper shafts & plates too I think. There's also new rear lower housings to match.

Unfortunately I don't think a conversion kit would be economical as it's mainly the expensive (alloy/carbon) parts that are new, but thats just my thoughts.

So trishs rear gearbox housing wont fit the sx3 will it............

[telboy]

Yeah they're only 5 years behind the times now :p

It's good it's being evolved and (potentially) improved though. Is anyone else thinking if it had a single front belt it'd pretty much be a CAT 3000 re-release?!

I can see why they've kept the front the same, but if they were designing a new car, why not go with a twin belt layout rather than 3? odd.

BUT, personally I think a conversion would be a BIG seller. All the people that have just bought CAT SX2's for the new season don't now want to be going out and buying another new car. Plus all those on budgets who have bought second hand CAT's. It will appeal to lots of people if they produced a conversion kit for around £150ish.

[jondell]

If schumacher are saying the sx2 is not as good as this car, why bother with the sx2, could have saved us a few quid and brought this out before, saddle packs have be arround some time.

Probably cos they didnt think that the TRF511X would win the first 4 nationals and then the euros in 2010 !!!!

Belt configuration seems like a lot of effort just to get the motor rotating the same direction as the wheels. I'm sure there is more to it than that. Looks like a nice set up though.

[JohnM]

The CAT SX3 looks ace...looks like it has a similar chassis layout like the CAT 3000. Very nice to see a mixture a new and old designs from Schumacher. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

Lets hope it drives better then the 3000, that handled like cabbage:p

[mikeyscott]

I'm certainly interested in pre-ordering one

I like my original SX and it's early days with the Durango...

S1 maybe, but with the titanium turnbuckles and alloy

[Chrislong]

Still dissapointed no alloy arm holders like the sx1, so theyll be needed as a hop up.

Schumacher did the plastic ones, as the alloy ones caused so many bent screws. Plastic also with its flex will make the car feel soooo much better then the alloy did... So, plastic is the upgrade!! ;)

[mikeyscott]

Has it raced anywhere yet and when's it's first meeting in the hands of the team? EPR this weekend?

I miss my SX, so time to return :p

[rcdunk]

wow was jusr weighing up which buggy to buy one of my main considerations was stick or saddle as wanted to run same in both 2wd and 4wd so cat sx2/ cougar sv were high on my list as i have a large selection of stick pack lipo already and both run stick out of the box not anymore though so its either sell on all my stick lipos and get saddles and conversion kit to run saddles in the cougar looks like a stonking kit though
best thing is was going to order sx2 2 weeks ago but due to birth of daughter have not had time to get to shop to order it lol think it might wait till the new one comes out now

[mikeyscott]

What's the max LIPO height in the car as well as I'm due to get some new LIPOs for my SV and was going to get saddles - prob Nosram. Have to have locating humps

[James]

Not been raced anywere i dont believe but its certainly had a lot of testing at RHR and a couple of other venues i know of.

[/tobys]

How does it go round RHR?

As well as the SV?

[mattb]

i would be a bit pissed of if id just bought the sx2,but i realy like the look of the sx3.

[mikeyscott]

Look forward to seeing it at a track somewhere!

Shame they didn't run / have it ready at PetitRC.

[steelie600]

Schumacher did the plastic ones, as the alloy ones caused so many bent screws. Plastic also with its flex will make the car feel soooo much better then the alloy did... So, plastic is the upgrade!! ;)

behave yerself Schlongy!!! My burple ally bits are blinger then Mr T's neck ornaments!!

Mines a Phil Booth SX so has all the bells and whistles and Id be reluctant to swap for a sx3 tbh, I wonder if the new shell will fit on the older car???

[simoncrabb]

Good work!

The S1 is looking a bargain... Especially as that's the only change from the Pro kit?

And with the extra flex it might be easier to drive for us less skilled drivers ;-)

(Pre-orders being taken, *cough*)

[Mabuchi_Johnson_Lee]

Just hope that they solve the belt wearing out prematurely

[bigred5765]

only changed are belts once this last year looks really nice, mike i think battery hight wont be a problem,

[mikeyscott]

Just hope that they solve the belt wearing out prematurely

Never had to change the belt in 18 months. Same as another member at our track

[mes]

I can see why they've kept the front the same, but if they were designing a new car, why not go with a twin belt layout rather than 3? odd.

BUT, personally I think a conversion would be a BIG seller. All the people that have just bought CAT SX2's for the new season don't now want to be going out and buying another new car. Plus all those on budgets who have bought second hand CAT's. It will appeal to lots of people if they produced a conversion kit for around £150ish.

I think they chose a three-belt design to keep the motor centred. I think it's a nice, British carbon fibre XX4 (which is a good thing!), but I wonder if they will continue to release 4WD buggies at this pace. By the time I am forty, we will have the SX8! :p
The body could use some Azarashi curves in the rear, though. The square end is a bit boring imho.

[Stu]

The body could use some Azarashi curves in the rear, though. The square end is a bit boring imho.

At least it's not cab forward.....

[mw02veg]

finally!! i dont have to keep looking dumb when ppl ask me questions about a rumour! the new car is ace very balanced and definatly an improvement on the sx2.ive run down eden park in the damp im fairly quick round there and at the end of the day was over 1/2 second a lap consistantly faster!!

[racingdwarf]

Good news everyone, it's way better, shove that old three month old sx2 in the bin and get you credit card out:lol:.

[stegger]

LMAO racingdwarf :lol::lol::lol:

[mdb_75]

Looks great! As long as it takes 25mm lipo's and there's room for the electrics (SP GT2 esc) then I'll be buying one :drool:

S1 or Carbon though.........??! :lol:

[Mark Dell]

Probably cos they didnt think that the TRF511X would win the first 4 nationals and then the euros in 2010 !!!!

Belt configuration seems like a lot of effort just to get the motor rotating the same direction as the wheels. I'm sure there is more to it than that. Looks like a nice set up though.


When I get one you can check it out first hand. I will even let you build it for me.

[niggs98]

When I get one you can check it out first hand. I will even let you build it for me.

just to make a change :D

[racingdwarf]

Ahh don't let him build it! not a clue what he's doing:lol:

[eichkay]

Ive got the original cat SX and it requires a serious birthday on replacing parts and bearings i'd sorta given up on running the 4wd of late due to breakdowns. Seriously considering ordering one of these babys, swap my alloy upper housings and ti parts over and be good to go..

Also noticed the plastic steering rack, still dont know why they did that, its a must upgrade as it was with the SX2, as my friend broke his the first time out.

[kek23k]

I'm not really a Schuey fan but that does look well sexy :wub:wub:wub

[mk2kompressor]

Seen it go round the track a few weeks ago, it looked much more planted :D
You can really see the difference the mid motor makes, throttle control over all bumps and jumps seemed effortless.

Good move mr Shumacher

[mikeyscott]

Seen it go round the track a few weeks ago, it looked much more planted :D
You can really see the difference the mid motor makes, throttle control over all bumps and jumps seemed effortless.

Good move mr Shumacher

Nice, what track was that?

[stegger]

Nice, what track was that?
It would have been MOTO-ARENA looking at his sig fella ;)

[ray carey]

great car, have ordered mine. :lol:

[mikeyscott]

It would have been MOTO-ARENA looking at his sig fella ;)

Bit of an assumption

[stegger]

Bit of an assumption

Yeh but it's a closed and a controlled environment, great for testing ;)

[Cockerill]

OK, I'll try get some of the questions answered....

So is this car a vast improvment, a must have!?? or is it a diffrent style than the sx2, as altho it looks diffrent, there is no cutting edge reinvent the wheel stuff here, as has been said...looks like an xx4/BJ4 worlds.

If schumacher are saying the sx2 is not as good as this car, why bother with the sx2, could have saved us a few quid and brought this out before, saddle packs have be arround some time.

i ask Tom this as he is one of the most honest team drivers I have met:blush:

No car, no matter what any one says, will instantly be .5sec a lap faster, unless it is radically different in more than one way, or the previous car wasn't a top of line kit. If it does I expect to see a Schumacher 1-5 at every national, the Euro's & World's! If that happens I'll eat my words. As it's pointed out, the car isn't radically different to everything else.

What I will say is that the new car is more balanced, making it easier to drive faster. Will it make me faster? Slightly, as I feel I can push it more and have more confidence, but I doubt it will put me .5 a lap in front of Lee/Ellis/Bradders/Anyone Else.

Will it make you/the majority of racers faster? Probably, as you will find it easier to drive, making less mistakes in a race. Easier to drive generally means quicker for the majority of drivers. The SX2 is still a quick car, there's no doubting that, especially on UK tracks, but I feel the SX3 will help the majority.

So trishs rear gearbox housing wont fit the sx3 will it............

No, but I'm 90% sure that the SX3 has an option for High or Low pin :thumbsup:

I can see why they've kept the front the same, but if they were designing a new car, why not go with a twin belt layout rather than 3? odd.

BUT, personally I think a conversion would be a BIG seller. All the people that have just bought CAT SX2's for the new season don't now want to be going out and buying another new car. Plus all those on budgets who have bought second hand CAT's. It will appeal to lots of people if they produced a conversion kit for around £150ish.

As someone has already said, 3 belts keeps the motor in the middle. Conversion kit, I've no idea, but there's more to it than most realise, so I wouldn't expect it to be economical.

Has it raced anywhere yet and when's it's first meeting in the hands of the team? EPR this weekend?

It's not been raced, but there has been plenty of testing. Off the top of my head: RHR, Kiddy, EPR, Stotfold & Moto Areana. The cars won't be back from the Toy Fair until next week, so maybe next weekend for a debut, or the weekend after. Personally I'll be running mine at Worksop on the 20th :thumbsup:

What's the max LIPO height in the car as well as I'm due to get some new LIPOs for my SV and was going to get saddles - prob Nosram. Have to have locating humps

I'm pretty sure it will take the maximum allowable Lipo size!! And you can already see from the pictures that the chassis has lipo-locating holes.

Anything I've missed let me know, and I'll try to answer any more questions.

[Nige]

Anything I've missed let me know, and I'll try to answer any more questions.

Just wondered does the SX3 make the SX2 obsolete, or do you expect some tracks to still favour the SX2? If so what type of tracks???

[Mossy]

Just to build on what Tom said, Im pretty sure we as a team will be debuting the car at Worksop on the 20th.

The car does have pin high on the rear, both front and back so yes you have the option to change as you wish.

In terms of the SX2 being obsolete, that I cant answer. The SX2 is a very quick and nimble car, but like Tom says in testing I personally have found the car more predictable and consistently quick. Time will tell I guess.

Si

[mikeyscott]

Just to build on what Tom said, Im pretty sure we as a team will be debuting the car at Worksop on the 20th.

The car does have pin high on the rear, both front and back so yes you have the option to change as you wish.

In terms of the SX2 being obsolete, that I cant answer. The SX2 is a very quick and nimble car, but like Tom says in testing I personally have found the car more predictable and consistently quick. Time will tell I guess.

Si

What parts are common across the two platforms - shock towers, shocks, wishbones, hubs, diffs, driveshafts, shock mounts?

I assume Spring 2011 means just before the first national meeting

[Cockerill]

Just wondered does the SX3 make the SX2 obsolete, or do you expect some tracks to still favour the SX2? If so what type of tracks???

I can't imagine that I'd change between cars, I'd prefer to just stick with one, which will be the SX3 because I find it easier to drive.

What parts are common across the two platforms - shock towers, shocks, wishbones, hubs, diffs, driveshafts, shock mounts?

I assume Spring 2011 means just before the first national meeting

Spring means Spring, so March, April or May. I'm sure they'd like it out as early as possible, but that depends on suppliers meeting dates.

Parts wise, front end is identical. Rear corners are the same, gearbox tops, shock tower, shocks, diff. Centre wise the, gears, pulleys, spur, slipper pads I imagine and maybe a few other bits.

[moth898]

I can't imagine that I'd change between cars, I'd prefer to just stick with one, which will be the SX3 because I find it easier to drive.



Spring means Spring, so March, April or May. I'm sure they'd like it out as early as possible, but that depends on suppliers meeting dates.

Parts wise, front end is identical. Rear corners are the same, gearbox tops, shock tower, shocks, diff. Centre wise the, gears, pulleys, spur, slipper pads I imagine and maybe a few other bits.

From what you are saying Tom, about 75% of the parts are the same, is that correct? If so, it's acceptable, to have to flush all my spare parts would be a bad thing.

[racingdwarf]

Hope they hold on to it until it's right, unlike the cougar.:lol:

[neiloliver]

This does look very nice :)

Does anyone know if the new wing mounts fit directly onto the Cougar?

[johnboy]

It would be interesting to know what the final specs are because for the price of the car it would be nice to know that we would'nt have to spend much in the way of extra's for the car.
I like Schumacher cars but both the cat sx and cougar that ive raced required me to buy quite a few upgrades which made the cars pricey. I'm not being negative towards the new car i think it looks ace but i do hope it is a pro kit ie ti turnbuckles the alloy steering bellcranks ( ive heard the plastic ones break very easy) and all the other parts that make the car strong .
If you compare the price with the b44.1 it's very similar price and as far as i'm aware the b44.1 has all the right parts in the box.

[stegger]

This does look very nice :)

Does anyone know if the new wing mounts fit directly onto the Cougar?

Yes they will mate. :) U3298 which are the wing mounts for the SXII and the cougar SV are the same and as cockers said earlier the SXII and SX3 rear shock mount is the same, so the new wing mounts will fit. :thumbsup:

[mw02veg]

double post

[mw02veg]

OK, I'll try get some of the questions answered....



No car, no matter what any one says, will instantly be .5sec a lap faster, unless it is radically different in more than one way, or the previous car wasn't a top of line kit. If it does I expect to see a Schumacher 1-5 at every national, the Euro's & World's! If that happens I'll eat my words. As it's pointed out, the car isn't radically different to everything else.

What I will say is that the new car is more balanced, making it easier to drive faster. Will it make me faster? Slightly, as I feel I can push it more and have more confidence, but I doubt it will put me .5 a lap in front of Lee/Ellis/Bradders/Anyone Else.




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whoa tom easy now. im just pulling from my personal experience with the car. if u wanna look for yourself phil has the report in an email. personaly i do believe a car make a big difference and for that day it definatly did. so can the new car make you faster i think so :thumbsup:

[MattW]

Do I need to come back and ref between you pair :p:D;)

[Rebelrc]

EDIT
Sorry me just being an idiot again!

[racingdwarf]

Deffo Not for me that car!
i like my chassis to be current for more than a couple of months
Happy christmas sx2 owners:cry: after being smashed like that sx2 owners do your selves a favour and buy a zx5fs,bmax,dex4what eva etc and retire your spares box and credit card;)
just my opinion

BITE ME!

OMG:lol:, like a bull in a china shop, but very true, I've been so diplomatic last couple of days:D

Get biten...savaged

[jim76]

or keep the SX2 and carry on running it?!! lol

[stegger]

Not happy then fella, you could say the same about tamiya and xray though. At the end of the day you don't have to buy it, i'm sure people will still be quick with the SXII ;)

[Rebelrc]

EDIT
Just being an idiot again!

[superstu55]

i would be a bit pissed of if id just bought the sx2,but i realy like the look of the sx3.

Yes I am :mad: only raced the sx2 6/7 times & still not got it dialled in yet & now i see this, not happy..

[Cockerill]

The SX was announced 3 yrs ago and the SX2 1 yr ago. They were pretty much the same car, just that the SX2 was released to include the big bores, so it wasn't necessary to get an SX then add shocks. So it was more of an update than a new car. The SX3 is a new platform after 3 yrs, that's not too bad!

Would people be as annoyed of AE announced a new 4wd in 6 months, even tho the 44.1 is new, I doubt it!

Rebel, trying to wind people up is quite annoying and fills the thread with rubbish, please take it elsewhere.

[Cockerill]

The SX was announced 3 yrs ago and the SX2 1 yr ago. They were pretty much the same car, just that the SX2 was released to include the big bores, so it wasn't necessary to get an SX then add shocks. So it was more of an update than a new car. The SX3 is a new platform after 3 yrs, that's not too bad!

Would people be as annoyed if AE announced a new 4wd in 6 months, even tho the 44.1 is new, I doubt it!

Rebel, trying to wind people up is quite annoying and fills the thread with rubbish, please take it elsewhere.

[Chesty]

:lol: I think most regular oOplers know that when there's a thread about schumacher Mr Rebel comes on & slags them off:thumbdown:

And when there's a thread about Team Xtreme he always bigs them up:)

Or is it just me who's noticed this! Not that I have anything against the guy - just find it funny:p

[Rebelrc]

EDIT
Now being a plonker

[Rebelrc]

Hey Chesty
You are wrong lol
I big up Durango, always have....good car...Simples

[Rebelrc]

My username is Rebel after my Cat meeoow type with a tail and fleas...not rc related
His name is Rebel and he is!:yawn:

[ulrich]

I saw the new CAT SX3 yesterday at the Toy Fair, it looks good, luckly many parts from the SX2 will fit the new car. See more photos of the new CAT on my website www.racegallery.dk

[Rebelrc]

:) and again

[Steve]

So does double posting Cockers
Why shoot me for giving my opinion ? ITS A PUBLIC FORUM! YOU DO NOT OWN IT!
NOTHING I HAVE SAID IS OFFENSIVE TO ANYONE! NO BAD LANGUAGE ETC....NO RULES BROKEN ETC
Remember one day you might want a contract with me....Mr bully...diplomacy makes a good sponser
The cars not for me.......big Deal
I am not trying to Wind people up
Just adding my opinion...like i already said.
LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE ANNOYED BUY THE TIMING OF THIS CAR!
and the reliability of all the others
How dare you try and pin that on my last post

LIKE I SAID BITE ME
I bite proper hard

Rebel somtimes maybe keeping your opinion to your self may be a good idea and then does not turn a good thread into somthing full of rubbish. Also by saying that you dont offend any one well may be you do and just dont know about it by Saying Bite Me to people.

[jim76]

Scott, chill mate!
some people will stick with the SX2 as they like it and have no reason to upgrade.
Some people will upgrade straight away as they always have to have the latest stuff. you pay your money and take your choice.
the SX2 was just a beefed up SX as Tom said, so this is the first real upgrade for a while.

all other companies upgrade there cars too, or bring out a steady stream of mods. nothing new there.

take a breath!! lol

[Rebelrc]

AND AGAIN!

[Rebelrc]

Jim
Cheers old mate:yawn:

[Steve]

Steve

This is a public forum
It works buy people posting their opinions!
and Bite me is cause if i post i get jumped on
and if you post you dont
Thats why


Sick of reading thats nice ...thats ace etc when YOU know its not.

Yes it is a public forum fully agree with that and yes you are allowed to have your own opinion but now and again things can go to far and you can get jumped on. But by keep on writing Bite Me what do you think they are going to say it's just going to keep on getting people backs up and then starts off all this.

[Rebelrc]

Has this car a servo saver?

[Steve]

Has this car a servo saver?
Cant see it listed in the spec

No it does not the sx and the sx2 did not have one either

[Rebelrc]

Sorry steve
i edited when you posted:eh?:
you need to read the post previous....cheers

[mikeyscott]

Every car is developed and evolves, which costs money. There will be plenty of SX and SX2 still running in 2011. Great.

I'll be purchasing one and that's my choice. Kyosho wasn't for me and I didn't slate it off. I have other thoughts about other cars, but I'll keep them to myself

Most cars have evolved with yearly changes etc.

I'd rather see R&D progress. What about the PC purchased last week which is now out of date and so forth?

[moth898]

get help rebelrc...tell the doctor you are schizophrenic and can't cope any more. you started this so you must like the attention.....:p

[Steve]

Quote : Rebel
Has this car a servo saver?
Cant see it listed in the spec
And steve i am not the first to say the car is not for me so stop shooting me...NOW
If it wasnt for negative debate then we would never progress
Now i put this to you Steve
If this car doesnt have a servo saver and i kick up a fuss, the next one will......understand?


Yes you are probably not the first one and not the last.
The RC world is massive and to get an RC car out in the market which will fit every ones needs is never going to happen and you are one of them at the present time.
And yes i do agree a debate is good if done corectly if not the RC market would not be where it is today.
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[Rebelrc]

LOL
And again

Toy car tinkers lol

[ben]

Lay Off the alcohol Scott

On a positive note. Schumacher have done a great job on this car and will be one to watch this year for sure.

[Rebelrc]

LOL Grow up Ben

[peetbee]

this thread is not a public forum it is biased

It is a public forum, it's just that people have disagreed with you,
or isn't that allowed to happen?

[ben]

Step away from the keyboard Scrott.

[ben]

LOL Grow up Ben

as grown up as the guy slagging off a new car!

[Rebelrc]

TOY CAR BEN!
OR Peetbee i have disagreed with everyone that the car is ace and thats not allowed to happen
tit for tat
and ben alchohol has nowt to do with it....i am not 17

[Rebelrc]

Sorry Jimmy

[racingdwarf]

sadly this thred has gone from a debate about the pros and conns of the schumacher R&D department and the schumacher marketing machine(with a few toung in cheek comments)...to a bun fight:bored: shame

Just to make sure I'm understood, I am no great fan of schumacher as a company at the min, and it's not only because of the sx3, BUT I by no means am wanting to have a pop at the team drivers, they wouldn't have a drive for long if they did anything but promote the product. If i were to have a team drive, I would be no diffrent;)

1000th post...yay, must spend more time with my family:lol:

[moth898]

Gettting back to the point of the thread, love the changes to the drive only down side is that its shell is to similar to te b44:thumbdown:

[Rebelrc]

And again

[Mossy]

Has this car a servo saver?
Cant see it listed in the spec
If this car doesnt have a servo saver and i kick up a fuss, the next one will......understand?

Why does it need a servo saver?

[Rebelrc]

Hello mossy
I don't know. Why wouldn't it?is it beneficial not having one?
Civilised disscution
I actually think the sx3 is a nice car and from a painting point of view the new shell is alot better . Lining up a design on the old one with the undertray was a pain

[mikeyscott]

Never broke a servo in my SX2, nice and direct steering :)

Only servo I have broken was in a B4 with the servo saver glued up.

It's also a case of matching the right servo to the car :) Savox 1258 perfect in the SV and SX, 1251 perfect in the TRF511, Sanwa perfect in the 410R :D

Savox 1257 perfect in the Losi XXCR Kinwald

[Cockerill]

?is it beneficial not having one?

In my opinion, yes it is beneficial not to have one. A servo saver can cause problems with the steering, as in high load situations the saver will flex instead of the wheels turning. Hence why many drivers glue or remove servo savers on several cars.

[Rebelrc]

Maybe they should make one aftermarket for people like me that are really fast between crashes:) and the likes of most of there customers cannot drive like you and mossy do

[DCM]

I will admit, if a car hasn't got a built in servo saver, if I can't fit a Kimbrough on the servo I don't buy it. I have tried running without one in TC and done two servo's, I can't afford to be replacing servo's regular, for us working on a small budget etc, anything that removes expensive breakages is better, far prefer to replace a £10 saver than a £50-£60 servo saver.

This is not a criticism of Schumacher, as other cars do the same, just an observation.

[racingdwarf]

I have mixed fealing on servo savers, now the one on my B4 has been glued up for the last 3 years, no probs, but i have been driving for 20 years+ and can normaly manage not hitting track markers flat out! BUT this said I glued up a club member's saver as it was worn...lasted 2heats then stripped the gears:blush:

Servo savers are still very much needed for beginers, they don't buy tamiyas anymore, they buy what they see. and then they don't want to buy mega servos
So this is so simple, if you need a servo saver fit an after market one,simples:D. once you have grown out of it, take it off!!!

The only thing that would be nice is that enough space is left in the new cars to fit a servo saver

[DCM]

IThe only thing that would be nice is that enough space is left in the new cars to fit a servo saver

Hit the nail on the head there!

[Richard Lowe]

No reason to run a servo saver of any kind in 10th these days IMO if you have a half decent servo. As Tom has already said they are never strong enough to hold the wheels under load and make the steering inconsistent. I've not broken any of my Savox or AE servo's in 10th with no servo savers on any of my cars. For me if anything goes it's the plastic servo horn - but that's only if you hit something just right without managing to take a whole front corner off!

[mole2k]

I cant remember the last time I ran a servo saver, I don't like how it makes the car feel a bit inconsistent.

I just run a plastic servo horn and decent servo's, never had to replace any gears in a servo just replaced a couple of servo horns after the occasional little 'moment'.

[racingdwarf]

Yas I agree, better without, but thats us hard core racers, Just last week I sold my gran so I could get 2x new savox for my rallyx:lol:, need an engine now...so i guess the kidney is on the market:woot:

Some will want the £300+ car and have to cut back on the radio at club level, The 1st thing that turns new people to our hobby away is when we start saying ££££ when they look at the cars, and turn our nose up if they are unable to spend money on top line stuff
A servo saver makes sence for them as they get to finish races,

[Trish]

Ive been reading your posts and you all sound like lovely people. So we say servo savers save servos ok. Ive been racing 5 years now and if the car had one built in normally it was locked in its tightest position or glued up or if it didnt have one then oh well. All i seemed to break was a servo horn and still have my moments. If you want to wine about it why not instead of hiding behind your keyboards come chat to us guys at racing and the team at schumacher. Yes its a public forum but you guys seem to want to damage a hard working name. And if you have intention of buying a car then make a point and then go watch east enders. I stop reading the threads wen you guys sound like one of my aunties.

So if you want a servo saver with all this experiance online im sure someone will help you find one :0)

[mikeyscott]

Trish is right and have to say with my SV & SX there are top notch crew.

When they came to TORCH they helped non Schumacher racers too :)

[neiloliver]

Since having the Cougar I have had three servo horns strip and have a Futaba 9550 awaiting internal gears. If I were a better driver then it would be less likely to happen but it is annoying. Schumacher Servo Horns are not cheap either. I know you get three in the bag but two are useless unless you can find someone to swap the non-futaba ones with. I can understand why the car designs don't have them for the reasons Tom has stated but it would be a 'nice to have'...

If I was going to change by B44 to something else in 2011 the SX3 would be the one.. but I think I will stick with the AE for another season :wub

[mw02veg]

Trish is right and have to say with my SV & SX there are top notch crew.

When they came to TORCH they helped non Schumacher racers too :)

Must say we all had a great day at TORCH and will be making the trip again soon.

Mike

[telboy]

Personally I think it all looks pretty good, and having run my SX2 for only 3 meetings, am not disappointed that a new car has arrived. The SX2 is a great car but if it can be made better with an overhaul then so be it. These companies are here to make money and so R&D keeps going, trying to improve what is already out there. I'd rather see a company moving on and developing their product, making it better for us, rather than just admitting the car was crap and they can't be arsed to make it any better.

For someone to slag a car/manufacturer off so harshly (complete with crap spelling and grammar) without even having raced one for a decent amount of time is ridiculous. And whats all this 'belt stripping' nonsense? I'm not the best driver in the world, so expect breakages when I crash...no matter what car I run. So I wouldn't say that the Schuey cars are any more fragile than any other out there.

[mw02veg]

A most constructive comment Terry.

[Dazzler]

Has the kit build standard been set yet for the CF Pro? e.g. Does it have titanium turn-buckles, alloy steering arms, alloy eccentric housings, Alloy front and rear suspension pivots etc. I see from photographs, that the cars at the toy fair are all different build standards (slightly), so can anyone confirm what it will be?

One for the shops, or the keen eyed oOpler, who's taking pre-orders on these and what will the price be?

[stegger]

Personally I think it all looks pretty good, and having run my SX2 for only 3 meetings, am not disappointed that a new car has arrived. The SX2 is a great car but if it can be made better with an overhaul then so be it. These companies are here to make money and so R&D keeps going, trying to improve what is already out there. I'd rather see a company moving on and developing their product, making it better for us, rather than just admitting the car was crap and they can't be arsed to make it any better.

For someone to slag a car/manufacturer off so harshly (complete with crap spelling and grammar) without even having raced one for a decent amount of time is ridiculous. And whats all this 'belt stripping' nonsense? I'm not the best driver in the world, so expect breakages when I crash...no matter what car I run. So I wouldn't say that the Schuey cars are any more fragile than any other out there.


Bob on tell. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Bob get off tel. Sorry I will get my coat.

[Rebelrc]

Lol:)

[telboy]

Bob get off tel. Sorry I will get my coat.


I've told Bob about that before Spence! lol
It gets right on my nerves!.:woot:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

At the end of the day if you really don't like Schumacher that much, then don't read the dam thread in the first place, if it has no interest to you or effect your life in any way then why leave playground comments? Of course people on this thread are going to have good things to say about Schumacher's cars, 80% of people who have commented on here are schumacher drivers or long term customers (and new) Thats like going on the Durango thread and saying there childish for not saying there car is shit! grow up! Yes, you are entitled to your own opinion, as are the other users on this thread, who you are slagging off for having that opinion :eh?:

Everybody can act hardcore with a keyboard! :thumbsup:

[Rebelrc]

You act hardcore with a keyboard tel
Yes I don't like Schumacher cars ( its not a crime)but I can read and comment as I like ,as a fan of Rc cars.And I do have plenty of experience with them!
As do others about other manufacturers how many threads have been like b44 vs dex and people list their comments

[tomtom]

Make me think about classic forum crap I often saw on non rc related
Internet forums.

I really like the car, especially the new shell because I didn't like the
SX one. Always like Schumacher back to the Topcat, the SX
did make me fall into RC again and I will buy a SX3 for sure.

It seems it's going to be a challenge to wire the electronic properly,
can't wait to see team driver's cars.

[moth898]

You act hardcore with a keyboard tel
Yes I don't like Schumacher cars ( its not a crime)but I can read and comment as I like ,as a fan of Rc cars.And I do have plenty of experience with them!
As do others about other manufacturers how many threads have been like b44 vs dex and people list their comments and usually slag one off
But this time you all made it personal and childishly couldn't rise above it and let it go.
You have made this a bunfight and if you push and name people they react badly! Usually retaliating and stubbornly unrationaly!
Grow up.....no I take that back I shouldn't have said that
Take the critism rise above it
Or risk looking silly and aggressive which is bad for schu and our toy car game
REALLY.....your not done yet!!!!

I've wased enough time reading this.....I'll be back in a week to hopefully find the pissing contest is over:thumbdown:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

You act hardcore with a keyboard tel

It wasn't Tel that said this it was me!


As do others about other manufacturers how many threads have been like b44 vs dex and people list their comments and usually slag one off

That's because people have been asked to compare the cars for a reason! pros/cons etc....
You act hardcore with a keyboard tel

It wasn't Tel that said this it was me!


But this time you all made it personal and childishly couldn't rise above it and let it go.
You have made this a bunfight and if you push and name people they react

I haven't seen anybody else on this thread being childish, and my comment wasn't aimed at anybody, it was just an observation of what i had read through the thread.

[Rebelrc]

Sorry Tel
This threads a shocker:cry:

[Nige]

Anyway, back to talking about the SX3.

Can the SX3 shell fit on the SX2 chassis? And the SX2 shell on the SX3 - basically are they interchangeable?

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

No, the SX2 won't fit the SX3 becuase of where the spur gear is mounted in the middle the shell simply isn't high enough.

As for the SX3 fitting the SX2 i think maybe the rear of the shell is too low to go over the spur, i maybe wrong about this one but its a deffo no to the SX2 fitting the SX3 :)

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Although i cant really tell if the SX3 shell is lower at the rear than the SX2 :eh?: Maybe the SX3 will fit the SX2

[Mossy]

The SX3 shell is considerably wider than the SX orignal. When ive ran the 2 cars together the shell is far to different to swap.

[racingdwarf]

I think adding all the bits together that the drivers who have had the car in there hands are saying are diffrent to the SX. I don't think a convo kit is possible:cry: as tom did point out a few days ago

[telboy]

from the shell I've got here to paint for the SX3, it won't fit the SX2, because where the spur gear is, the shell isn't shaped for it to fit under.

Everything else seems ok and body holes are in the same place.

[steelie600]

Bugger!! Might have to spend my pennies on the sx3 then!!

[eichkay]

Any pics of the cars with electrics in them, I'd be interested to see how tidy it all is ... running the battery cables looks rather long

[Kev B]

I can confirm the sx3 shell wont fit the sx2 because of the spur gear. Much easier to paint without the split design like the sx2. Only a small piece under the steering each side you need to colour match but you hardly notice them.

[Dufty07]

Just another expensive pussy to eat my dust.........:D:D

[frobes2]

Weird that the majority of people having 'a go' at Rebelrc have sh!tstacker in their signature... or side smacker, sorry I mean, shoe cleaner... oh I don't know.. lol

Car looks poo anyway.. do feel sorry for all the kids out there that had to have the sx2 off Santa Claus!

Dicko.

[RcRob]

Weird that the majority of people having 'a go' at Rebelrc have sh!tstacker in their signature... or side smacker, sorry I mean, shoe cleaner... oh I don't know.. lol

Car looks poo anyway.. do feel sorry for all the kids out there that had to have the sx2 off Santa Claus!

Dicko.

and in a strange way your the only person who comes out in support of rebelrc, who I believe is scott dickinson...

and here is a post by you, signed off as scott...

http://oople.com/forums/showthread.php?p=458949#post458949

And another here as 'dicko'...

http://oople.com/forums/showthread.php?p=458899#post458899

and the rest of your post's are in support of vega, your brother's company?

very strange.....

[Rebelrc]

Its not me!
So please edit your post
I have admitted to all concerned that i was being an idiot and apologised
then edited my posts to say this
I have had enough greif for being a plonker
i am keeping my opinions to myself from now on
And yes i am sorry

That is not me though

[Rebelrc]

Look now we are online at the same time:(Enough proof
I know you all hate me but i am not sad enough to do that! 2 of me....mental

[Rebelrc]

Moderators cant we just edit out all of my stupid posts and when ive been quoted...clean this thread up and get back to the catsx3
if you like set up a bash Rebelrc thread ...i would prefer that to this
cheers

[rc_penguin]

Guys, Rebel and Frobes2 are different people. I know both of them in person.

As for the Vega comment, well its like saying i support/drive Tamiya's as my dad owns it? doesn't work. Ever thought that people might support the manufacturers because they like their products. That makes more sense to me :yawn:

[frobes2]

Sorry, I am a friend of Scott (rebelrc) and have known him for about 20 years. I've only just started racing again and asked him for advice and help, which he kindly gave me, ref. car set up. We have the same christian name and a very similar surname as well as the same interests, cars, RC cars women etc. I personally don't like cats (the sx type, not the furry).. I apologise to those concerned for a bit of a childish post but would like a moderator to confirm our ip addresses are different and we are not the same person.. I should also apologise to Scott for getting the die hards wound up etc.

Enjoy ya sx3 everybody..

Dicko

[Rebelrc]

You Sod Scott!
lets just leave it at that
Ive got carbon to mold....not bicker

Many thanks Will (rc_penguin) see you wednesday matey i owe you one
And back to the cat

Such a bad thread! sorry schumacher!

[basey]

I race with both of them on a wednesday nite at faversham of road car club people should b entitled to this own opinion
I will b honest the new cat looks good just think its a bit unfair on the people that brought them 4 Christmas may b Schumacher could of hinted or done sum spy pics just so people new and note have waited till the new one was out



As 4 the vega cars wow they r sum thing to brag about seen the losi and rb5
Can't wait 4 the 201 Scot go s on about durango but his bro don't own them

[MattADH]

Have to say that I loved the CAT SX and once I got a set-up that suited me, I would only change a washer here and there and change the rear oil by 2.5wt. I found it to be very reliable and have to say never stripped a spur gear in two years of running the same basic car.

As the team have said, they feel the SX3 is more planted and easier to drive - the SX on the other hand was nimble and incredibly quick when changing direction. When Grant started using the lead under the chassis on the SX, this helped to slow down the reaction making the car a lot easier to drive and this became a great tuning tool. For someone of my age and lack of skill, I found more lead was better. Grant ran less.

I reckon that with the changes incorporated into the SX3, at least Grant won't need to carry so much lead from now on...

[MHeadling]

Lack of skill!.......... Don't put yourself down Matt!! Lol

Im sure most racers would like the skills you have on the sticks!

As for the Cat SX3, looks like it will be a winner! Schumacher have a great driver line up. It's another new car out there and with new cars coming out (any brand) it has a good effect on the class in general!

Us racers have never been so spoilt for choice! :wub

10th off road is where it's at!

[mw02veg]

i should have mine tomorow with any luck :thumbsup: i might be going to the moto arena not sure yet. only if i can get the day off work, but will be running at worksop on the 20th and off road wars at maritine as well as the other A team drivers. your more than welcome to have a look. im not sure why this thread turned into a slanging match but the sx3 is here and trust me its fast :woot:

[basey]

It dose look good Wot kit r people going 4 the cheap one or the pro one will b like the durango sum people find the r better than the full fat one .wood b good to c this car go

[Mossy]

The car does feel alot more planted as Mat said, however i dont think Grant will ever get rid of 'all' his lead :-) lol

I picked mine up yesterday, so if i get the electrics in it tonight ill post some pics.

Si

[/tobys]

Any official launch date yet, rather than just "Spring 2011"?

[ray carey]

The car does feel alot more planted as Mat said, however i dont think Grant will ever get rid of 'all' his lead :-) lol

I picked mine up yesterday, so if i get the electrics in it tonight ill post some pics.

Si

cant wait to see the electrics in, ive pre-ordered mine, but nervous about space. :eh?:

[Chris119]

The car does feel alot more planted as Mat said, however i dont think Grant will ever get rid of 'all' his lead :-) lol

I picked mine up yesterday, so if i get the electrics in it tonight ill post some pics.

Si

YES PLEASE DO !!! :D:D:D

[Aran]

id like to see some electric install shots for this, been waiting to get a 4wd :D

[Danny McGee]

id like to see some electric install shots for this, been waiting to get a 4wd :D

Its fine, i wired mine up the other night and its not all that bad. I've got a std size servo too. You just need to take your time with it.

[Mossy]

Ill post some pics later, im sure Dannys wont be as neat :-p

[Spencer Mulcahy]

But it will be faster:woot:

[mw02veg]

mines nearly done :p

[Aran]

okay guys quit the teasing.........:D

[Danny McGee]

But it will be faster:woot:

:D:D

[mikeyscott]

Come on lads get the pics out of the SX3 ;)

I saw Grant's SX & SX3 in bits in the Silverstone pics.

[Cockerill]

Looks like I'm the slowest then, my car's still wrapped in bubble wrap :woot:

I'll try get pics up when I get it done this weekend :thumbsup:

[Danny McGee]

Looks like I'm the slowest then, my car's still wrapped in bubble wrap :woot:

I'll try get pics up when I get it done this weekend :thumbsup:

Student Lifestyle that Tom. Having no spare room in that tiny halls was always a pain in the @rse.

Still wont be long and you will be done.

If i remember i'll post some piccys at some point

[stegger]

No electics install pic's yet ! Dont you know how to post pic's ? :p

[mw02veg]

i know at least 3 cars will be up worksop this sunday come and have a look :thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

here u go

[Cockerill]

Mark I made a thread for pics here http://oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63613 :p

[David Church]

Tom your install looks far better than the install in Mark's pic:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

Mark I made a thread for pics here http://oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63613 :p
ur fault then, u should have let me know on here :D

Its mossys car Dave

[David Church]

ur fault then, u should have let me know on here :D

Its mossys car Dave

Is it??? oOps sorry Simon:blush:

[Big G]

front hinge pin doesn't look all the way in :o:wub

[Mossy]

Must admit my wiring wasnt as neat as Cockers, his does look rather tidy lol.

The front hinge pin is all the way in, trust me!

Neither of them slowed me down tho, still tqd! :p

[mikeyscott]

Cool :)

How many SX3s attended Worksop and did any run elsewhere? Looking forward to seeing them run outdoors etc. (EPR 6th March?)