national comittee

[stevo16v]

who are the official national mardave comittee
the ones pushing for brca membership
if anyone knows any of them can they get them to put the proposed rules up on here and let the whole country discuse the issues with motors and batterys especially while mardave is up for helping

[Paulnuneaton]

Paul of rccircuitcars.com started the ball rolling Mark Cooper is the chairman and we are awaiting for him to give his statement some of the so called rules and debates can be found on the above site Steve hope this helps mate.
Im sure when Mark Cooper has things 100% he will post up but after talking to Mark he wants to get it right from the word go so im sure you guys will be happy to wait while he works his way through what he needs to do

[stevo16v]

can mark post the proposed rules here
i did the nationals,my brother won the brushless and i was second
it was there i got worried about all the speculation
3.7 volt lipos are useless everyone ive seen has been off the pace or twitching with regulator problems
push to hard and the motor pinches it all voltage so u carnt steer ,nothing is desighned to run on 3.7 volts
we want to go fast not slower and dont want more useless fixes
im sure mardave could get us wound 2000kv motors or 1500kv and hes not bothered about what speedos we use 7.4 lipos has got to be considered.
he charges £40 quid for a motor and considering how long they last thats not bad.
and at least get mardave to put the proposed rules on his website for everyone to see and we can debate it elsewere
you could get a batch of motors made for as little as £7 check out emax

[Chequered Flag Racing]

3.7 volt lipos are useless everyone ive seen has been off the pace or twitching with regulator problems
push to hard and the motor pinches it all voltage so u carnt steer ,nothing is desighned to run on 3.7 volts


can't see why they don't work as the UK & USA 12th pan-cars are not having any issues like you describe using 3.7v & boosters :confused:

[stevo16v]

maybe because there lighter or there motors dont pull the voltage they take the amps instead
everyone i know has gone back to nimh

[dadtc3]

We use 3.7 lipos and voltage boost at holbeach in our mardaves and i dont think you would want anything a lot faster.Very reliable.
Dont use a cheap booster. They dont last very long at all.
We use 13.5 motors.

[stevo16v]

what make of motor and size do you use, and booster ?
do other clubs in your area run this format so u can go and race against other people or are they doing there own thing ,cheers mate

[dadtc3]

what make of motor and size do you use, and booster ?
do other clubs in your area run this format so u can go and race against other people or are they doing there own thing

Motors-- various
lrp x12
old novak
new type novak
lrp tc spec
basically anything they used to use in their tourers,they use in the mardaves
Boosters--Novak smart boost mainly,rc dynamics do one,a bit dearer but ok
the real cheapy version,cant remember what they are called are only fit for the bin.
we used to have a class called Supadaves ,which you could use what motor you liked. A couple of the drivers,namely Nathan Waters and Adam Mackman used 6.5 gm speedos(with a single 3.7 lipo) and were beating the tourers using 10.5 top of the range speedos,lipos etc.
Not sure of any other clubs within a 50 mile radius that run this format apart from a club at Leverton near Boston,but there drivers come and race at Holbeach every wed night.
Check out the videos on our website--Holbeachrcmodelcarclub.co.uk
HTH
Tony

[Buck_Rodgers]

vote for 1s lipo 13.5t here, i use a hobbywing speedo with a voltage booster built in. Its the same as the speed passion GT2.1 EX and can use timing and boost etc. I'd say this has a nice balance of speed and handling. With the boost timing features available, you can crank it up for the straights and reel it in for the technical twisty stuff.

[ianhaye]

I use a tekin rs with x12 6.5 1s and only use a less then 2dollar booster frm hk and never had any problems :-)

[Buck_Rodgers]

I use a tekin rs with x12 6.5 1s and only use a less then 2dollar booster frm hk and never had any problems :-)

6.5? bit overkill that lol :woot:

[Dave1234UK]

Hi All

Well rules not quite set yet but think along these lines and you cant go wrong

Brushed class

4 cell NiMh ESC limit possable £70 and G2 motor
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Brushless Class

1s LiPo 13.5 motor ESC will be NO TURBO OR BOOST so a standard Brushless ESC

but hope Mark can post asap

[stevo16v]

so brushed will be the same speed as brushless ?
and hundreds of people who have bought mardave brushless systems through out the country run in which class ?
ellesmere port and neston were intrested in running a round of the national series but wont with those rules as most of there drivers wont be cattered for.
me and my brother raced at the nationals and when the vote was done,we wernt told ,looked like it was done in house .if ur part of the brca ur supose to have an annual agm were all brca members are notified and voted on any series that doesnt take major input from the manufaturer may look on the up but the other side of the hill is very slippery on the way down
sorry dont mean to be negative but mardave must have sold hundreds of his brushless systems

[dale]

if ur part of the brca ur supose to have an annual agm were all brca members are notified and voted on any series

As far as I am aware this is nothing to do with the BRCA, as there is no BRCA Mardave section. Some people may be trying to form one, but it doesn't currently exist, and the people involved are not BRCA committee members.

I would assume that what is being described are proposals for the rules, should a BRCA Mardave section be formed. Any rules will have to be voted on at the BRCA AGM, which happens once a year in October. It doesn't happen on forums or in private meetings.

As far as the outlined rules go, these sound very sensible. The brushless class should really just be a low-maintanance class that's about the same speed as 4cell/G2, which will allow them to run together at clubs with smaller numbers.

[uop101]

Hi everyone interested in Mardave circuit racing.
These are the rules we are currently running to at Hinckley and which will hopefully be the basis of any BRCA Mardave Circuit Section

2011 MARDAVE CONSTRUCTION RULES
CHASSIS AND COMPONENTS
STANDARD BRUSHED G2 / STOCK BRUSHLESS 13.5
Cars to be Mardave V12 or Caterham 7 based chassis and suspension. The car chassis plate may be drilled / cut-out to improve weight distribution / cooling, providing no sharp edges are left. No composite chassis allowed
Ball races allowed on both front and rear axles.
Either 32 or 48 dp pinion and spur gear may be used.
Mardave Differentials will be allowed.
Car suspension and wheel carriers shall remain as kit.
The use of countersunk holes and screws on the underside of the chassis is recommended but not mandatory.
Chassis top mounting may be changed, altered or removed.
The motor may be fitted to either side of the chassis, providing that there are no major modifications or alterations to the chassis or mounting blocks.
No external bumpers are permitted, although internal foam bumpers are recommended on the front.
Any make of servo, servo saver or track rod ends may be used on the cars steering system.
SUPERDAVE
As above but composite chassis allowed
BODYSHELL
Any commercially available Mardave or Kamtec, ABS or Lexan body shells may be used. The shell must remain securely fixed to the car throughout the race. Windows may be cut out on ABS shells.
No supplementary aerofoils or fins shall be fitted to the body with the exception of a rear wing if desirable. This wing must be non metallic, commercially available and securely fixed.
The body shell can be decorated to suit the individuals taste providing all coatings are of a permanent nature
The rear of the body shell should remain intact, i.e. not cut-out above the lower bumper line.
ELECTRICS
STANDARD BRUSHED
Any type, make and capacity of speed controller may be used providing it includes reverse.(MAX UK rrp £69.99)
Cars to use four cells only, cells to be sub-C sized cells only, with a nominal voltage of 1.2 volts per cell, cells to be NiCad and Nimh’s and be listed on the BRCA electric board approved battery list. Battery mountings may be changed from the original.
Brushed Motors will be the Mardave G2 unit; At a GP, these motors will be issued to competitors at the beginning of the meeting. Additional ‘control’ motors will be available during the meeting. No other motors are allowed. Under no circumstances are fan motors, re-buildable motors, fitting of external bearings or skimming of motor armatures allowed.
Heatsinks with cooling fans are allowed
STOCK BRUSHLESS 13.5
No ESC’s with Boost/Turbo function. Only forward / reverse Brushless ESC’s from the following list may be used.
Fusion: - Exceed (Sport*, Race, Pro)
Castle Creations: - Mamba Max Pro.
LRP:- Ai Brushless Reverse, Ai Brushless Pro Reverse, SPX Brushless Reverse, SPX Brushless Bullet Reverse.
Nosram: - Evil Reverse, Evil Power Reverse, Matrix Brushless Reverse, Matrix Power Brushless Reverse.
Novak: - GTB (GTB 4 Cell, GTB, GTB Spectrum) GTB2, Havoc 1 Cell, Havoc Sport.
- *This is the preferred ESC used by most club members. Other suitable ESC’s may be added from time to time
NOTE: - Please make your own checks on compatibility with regards to 1s lipo use.
Brushless motors to have a minimum of 13.5 turns and a maximum UK rrp of £69.99
Cars to use 1s Lipo 3.7 volt batteries. In the short term, 4cell Nims 4.8 volt may be used but with a 150g weight penalty. 3cell Nims 3.6 volt may also be used without penalty.
Plastic whip aerials are allowed
Battery mountings may be changed from original.
Fitting of additional bearings to support the motor shaft are allowed.
SUPERDAVE
No ESC’s with Boost/Turbo function. Other than the Mardave G2BL, only forward / reverse Brushless ESC’s from the above list may be used.
Brushless motors other than the one in the Mardave G2BL system to be 10.5 turn minimum.
Plastic whip aerials are allowed.
Battery mountings may be changed from original.
Fitting of additional bearings to support the motor shaft are allowed.
TIRES
The tires may be changed from the original kit tires
Tires to be Min 20mm Max 26mm width and have a Max 60mm diameter. No minimum diameter for tires, but the tire must cover the wheel. Any foam tire make or compound allowed.
GENERAL SETUP
Any commercially available tire additive may be used providing it is non toxic, odourless and any excess is removed from the surface of the tires and tires to be ‘Touch Dry’ prior to the start of the race.
Varying types of springs and methods of limiting suspension travel may be used.
Minimum car ride height will be no lower than 3mm, 1mm at the spur gear.
Minimum car weight is 1kg (1000g)
Commercially available comm. drops may be applied to the motor armatures. PLEASE NOTE Any car not conforming to the above rules will still be allowed to race but may be placed in a class other than Mardave and will NOT gain any championship points

[truggy lover]

why does a speedo have to have reverse ? are marshalls not on track and why the motor price limit, that stops me runing my dave at your club because the rrp of my 13.5t motor is £95 the x12 or norsam

if you can throw £70 at a motor surely you can add £20 more pointless to say a limit to me you may say i am bias

and nice to see the cirtix was removed from the list a fellow racer bought one thinking he could run it at your club only to find it doesnt have reverse so is useless

[truggy lover]

And on dales point i think he is right to get the mardave section brca sactioned it would have to be voted for and all the committee also voted in at a AGM meeting

[uop101]

We have always run reverse in Mardaves at Hinckley and it is also a requirement at many other clubs as well as the Mardave circuit series. I think this is a throwback to oval racing.
I do apologise and have done to a person at the last round of the above series re the Cirtix esc, the Speed Passion manual was not very clear re the sportsman version (the only one without reverse) I believe the older version had reverse.
It may well be that when rules are finalised for the Circuit section, reverse could be recommended but not compulsory with Hinckley following suit.

Truggy lover, you are welcome to race at Hinckley with your expensive motor but you would not be entitled to any championship points or you could sell it and get TWO Exceed motors.
Mardave racing is supposed to be the cheap fun end of the sport and we aim to keep it close, the G2 4cell ni-mh verses the 13.5 1s lipo systems we currently use are close.
I presume the £95 generation of motors ARE quicker than the cheaper ones? If not why bother spending that amount?

[stevo16v]

couldnt mardave have a suitible motor wound,his are £40 quid and a cracking little motor ,ive had mine a year and a half and its still as fast as the day i bought it and there very consitant for speed , iknow his early stuff had it problems but now the speedos and motors are well sorted,even the repair time is good ,i had mine returned in 4 days

[mcjjordan]

i sent my brushless mardave system back to mtroniks to have software update back in october and am still waiting.......

[Gazza]

Just to let every one know. . .

I sent out over 120 e-mails in October / November to ALL THE CLUBS on the brca site and on mardaves site saying that we were trying to form a Mardave BRCA section and this would take place at Ardent on the 20th of Feb as most people that race them would also be there as its the last of the onroad section and that after the event we were to have a 20min chat to sort out a committee rules etc

Now then out of the many E-mails I sent I ony got 6 reply's :eh?:

So ask your club why you where not told about it :(

possable went into the bin or " No I did not recive any thing . . . "

I wish I knew about this site as I could have posted on here as well but there is so many Forums out there I do not know of but at least its now getting noticed

At Hinckley and Ardent we run both the G2 4cell and 13.5 in the same heat and it is very close racing I can tell you its just the brushless is the same week after week and no black art in G2 setups

But I did send out to all clubs to reach every one with pleanty of time to reply but like I said only 6 replyed and it was just the Ardent and Hinckley lot who stayed behind . . .

Any way I hope it gets up & running and I do hope you all turn up at the AGM in October to point views across

Hope this info helps

Gazza

P.S Mark Cooper got the vote as Chairman
James Carvell as Scruitineer ( rules )
Marti as Sectary I think

[dirtyghost]

Yes Gaz that's right ish lol

Mark Cooper as chairman
James Carvell as scrutineer (scrutineer and the Rules)
Matthias McBride "Marti" as treasurer

There are still some posts to fill and people are being contacted about these, i'm sure Mark will make a statement/post with some more info as it becomes available.

Regards Marti.

[stevo16v]

though he had all that sorted now,explains why everyone want to use other gear,£70 for a motor just seemed steep especially went motor technoligy is moving along at such a pace ,uyou could buy one then next month a different faster on comes out ,1 manufacturer sounds better and a 10.5 ,if im buying sumthing i want to go faster

[Gazza]

Well just imagine it as say a 1/12th or Touring car rules they want to go faster. . . WHY

yet another long debate I guess :cry:

you all in the same boat

You have to draw the line some where and the price of the Fusion motor at £40 is a good deal

We will just have to wait to see what the final rules will be I guess but the Fusion combo of ESC and Motor at £85 I think is real good

http://www.tonysmodelsandhobbies.co.uk/www.tonysmodelsandhobbies.co.uk/info.php?p=21&pno=0&pid=2237378&cat=194524&ack=9&search=&sought=

[ianhaye]

i also tryed the mroniks brushless and thought it could have been a lot batter, after about 2 months, sent back twice and only getting to do 2 meets with it due to it being for reapirs, having probs with it at both meets soon got a refund and moved on, end of the day you get what u pay for, each club sgould have there own say it there rules, and if going to nationals i gotta be pretty sersious in the hobby so even thou most of us dont like spending money but we have to do get a decant set up rather than something thats cheaper but with a higher rsik that could let us down

[truggy lover]

i bought a mardave after not having one for a while mainly cos the g2 motors were so hit and miss so when i heard that at Adrent you can run what you have this atracted me and a few others back to it i run a full on turbo speedo with out the turbo and no reverse and have run a 10.5 nosram pure (X12 lrp) but am now running a nosram pure 13.5t which is what i had so was easy to setup and run a mardave again others run novak gtb and even other running tekin speedo's in them

So the argument of making it cheaper for peeps to get into it sucks for racers changing over from say touring car like me , i have to sell kit i have at a LOSS to buy more kit that others say i can run , thats why i like running at ardent !!! run what ya got

[Paulnuneaton]

I think we will all have to wait i think till Mark Cooper can give us a statement on his aims and goals

[truggy lover]

Paul i disagree , it isnt about what he wants its about all the racers (but will see what he comes up with ) why has no one even done a poll to see what people actually want to run

[Gazza]

Yes your all correct. . . . .

its hard to please every one but as the 1s LiPo war is going one you can pick up these from as little as £25 ( poss cheaper )And you only need 1 :thumbsup:
boosters these go for about £5 and the fusion 13.5 motor for £40 so its getting cheaper I think the only Major expense is the ESC but I do like the GTB stock one and I may go for this my self ( running tekin at the mo )

[truggy lover]

in these plans are there going to be previvions for a open class i.e. run what ever you want ?

[Paulnuneaton]

Sorry if that came over wrong truggy lover what i mean is we will have to wait for him to tell us whats going on!!! you can read the threads at
www.rccircuitcars.com (http://www.rccircuitcars.com) mate may give you a brief insight.
i just wish mark would make a statement who his committee are and what the goals are!!!!!!!

[truggy lover]

thats what i am trying to say Paul a COMMITTEE have to be voted in at a BRCA AGM not at a 20 minute meeting at the end of a race meet , not being funny just saying

[Gazza]

The Comittee is TEMPORARY. . .

It is to get it up and running ready for the AGM in October where any one can propose and vote. .
other wise there would be no one there to organise it and a room full of members . . . .

its just a short cut ready for the main event

I hope it gets peoples attention and what evere rules do come out we run them till October and can see what works and what does not but again I cant say my self as I to am waiting for them to post to see whats going on

[Sheepdog]

I think the time should be spent between now and October for the temPorary commity putting the feelers out to the racers via the forums etc and see what feed back is around, what the racers want. I certainly don't agree with the reverse rule, it shouldn't be mandatory, alot of other RC nationals, touring etc you are NOT allowed reverse. That's what marshals are for! Slight tangent, if a car has reverse it should have an indication on it so a marshal doesn't go bounding across the track to have the car turn round and do one! I have watched this ruin other drivers racing because a marshal is in the way for no reason. Yes I have a cirtix speedo, so yes I am bias toward the reverse rule, and as for the temporary rules in place till October is not an option, they should be brought to the table at the proposed AGM in October and voted in and then into force at the start of the 2012 racing season or at the start of a clubs winter series 2011. I certainly have no intention of going out to buy another speedo to use when I followed the correct procedures to start with. My 2 pence.

[Paulnuneaton]

Yes Gaz that's right ish lol

Mark Cooper as chairman
James Carvell as scrutineer (scrutineer and the Rules)
Matthias McBride "Marti" as treasurer

There are still some posts to fill and people are being contacted about these, i'm sure Mark will make a statement/post with some more info as it becomes available.

Regards Marti.

its not a closed shop it needs to be put on every site so people can have the chance to go forward for postions

[Gazza]

Found the e-mail That I sent out to all clubs etc this was on the 22nd of Nov 2010

Hi

You may have heard of a small on road car called a Mardave . .. you have

Does it bring back memorys when you first started racing all them years ago. . . it does
Well we Mardave racers think its about time we had a BRCA section so we can race this great Little British car all over the UK but would like to have some set rules . . you do

Ok
I have just come off the phone to MR Dawson who says as soon as the meeting is over we can have a quick chat vote etc

So the last round of the Mardave V12 circuit series will be held at

Ardent Raceway on the 20th Febuary 2011
Web Address: Ardent Racing

Address: Cross House Yard, Main St Derby, Kings Newton Derby, DBY, DE73 8BT

Where we will be hoping to set up a committee and push this to the BRCA want to voice your view . . you do Great see you there and if you have an old " DAVE " why not bring it down and have a race as well

Please feel free to pass on and post on your club site

There is a lot of info and chat going on & this can be found on http://rccircuitcars.com/ (http://rccircuitcars.com/)

thanks Gary

this was sent to over 120 CLUBS

[mcjjordan]

we never got one

[Gazza]

was sent to

smrccc@hotmail.co.uk

[dadtc3]

And as far as i know we never got an email

Holbeach Model car club

[Gazza]

Is it (was it ) on Mardave site or Brca site ( as of 22nd November ) becaues if it was not then how was I or any one else suppose to know :eh?:

But thats what was sent out ;)

I also noted some sites had NO contact details so you could NOT e-mail them and some even replied Not intrested we are run a Touring Cars / 1/8th I.C / Bikes / Buggy etc . . . wish I kept the list now LOL