5x TRF511on the Euro Offroad Series Sweden

[marco NL]

http://eos.redrc.net/

4WD Buggy Overall Result
1.(2) Cavalieri Ryan (US) – Associated B44.1 – 2pts
2.(1) Evans Dustin (US) – Losi TLR XXX4 – 4
3.(3) Neumann Jörn (DE) – Durango DEX410 – 4
4.(4) Martin Lee (GB) – Tamiya TRF511 – 5
5.(7) Ronnefalk David (SE) – Kyosho Lazer ZX5 – 8
6.(10)Wilck Viktor (SE) – Tamiya TRF511 – 10
7.(8) Levin Oskar (SE) – Tamiya TRF511 – 11
8.(6) Rheinard Marc (DE) – Tamiya TRF511 – 12
9.(5) Ausfelt Otto (SE) – Tamiya TRF511 – 14
10.(9)Hönigl Hupo (AT) – Durango DEX410 – 1

well done:thumbsup:


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[AndrewCaunt]

Enough said Tamiya rules :thumbsup:

[moth898]

Enough said Tamiya rules :thumbsup:
the bottom of the field:p

[Rob_B]

is that the new 4wd losi in 2nd?

[Soo]

Old one.

http://eos.redrc.net/wp-content/gallery/eos-pilot-race-tomelilla-sweden/sat-evansxxx4-4.jpg

[DaveG28]

Some of the bits on it seem newish though don't they?

Makes you laugh though, all the cars released since that losi, and clearly no "game changers" yet!

[Twister]

big bore shocks, that is all i think? ön the losi car that is.:D

[Jan Larsen]

Steering system is different as is the front and rear suspension mount (I think).

The XXX4 is a very competent car on smooth surfaces, but that changes when it gets rough...

[msxmre]

Looks like all us that bought the Trf502x wasted our money. I actually really like my 502x but looks like the big T is going back to belts.
Scotty....

[chokoboy]

EDIT

[Cameo]

Not all Tamiya drivers used the 511 some used the 502 at the EOS

None of the 502 drivers made the A main ;)

[chokoboy]

None of the 502 drivers made the A main ;)

UR RIGHT

[DaveG28]

Looks like all us that bought the Trf502x wasted our money. I actually really like my 502x but looks like the big T is going back to belts.
Scotty....

I'm not sure I'd say it's wasted money, Lee got a very good result at the Reedy race, think that was with the 502 wasn't it!?

The team guys will run the car they feel is most likely to win I guess, and at the moment looks like that's the 511, doesn't mean Tamiya are going back to belts though, who knows what they'll make next!:confused: After all, don't know about you guys, but I never expected a 502 shaft drive in the first place:woot:

Anyway, for now I'm sticking with the 502, may change my mind though!

[msxmre]

Cheers Dave I feel a little bit better now lol. As I stated previously I really like the 502 and won't be changing it at the moment.
Scotty....

[West Ridge Racing]

All The Swedish Tamiya drivers run the 511 but there were some 502 driver there to but none of them are at that level like those guys in The finals. From what I could tell the 502 did very well for them selves and it handled The slippery surrface very well. So anyone thinking they made the wrong choise can relax. A very good car;)

[fastinfastout]

like I said in another thread, since team drivers have been using the 502, they have been going backwards. Funny how Lee questioned me about this remark, yet nearly ALL team members are back to the 511.

what have you got to say about it now Mr Martin?

[Jamie.T]

Also remember that the 511 may be quick in the hands of top drivers, but I find myself faster with the 502 over the 511. What suits them might not necessarily suit us. Also these guys have got years of experience with their 511's, it may take a while to switch to the 502, plus they haven't got the JTbitz steering link. Lol

For now, the 502 is still a very capable car and shouldn't be dismissed. If the car works for you, that's all you can ask for.

[rc10fan]

Who cares what team drivers are using. So if Lee and other top drivers were winning with the 502 then it would be the best thing since sliced bread. So fickle. Any way it's not all about the car it's how good a driver you are.

[marco NL]

they drive a 511 says enough about the 502

but I go buy a 502 I want to test it myself

[Donutt]

Looks like all us that bought the Trf502x wasted our money. I actually really like my 502x but looks like the big T is going back to belts.
Scotty....
Ah well. See you Sunday and I'll show you how us 511 guys handle it...

[jondell]

like I said in another thread, since team drivers have been using the 502, they have been going backwards. Funny how Lee questioned me about this remark, yet nearly ALL team members are back to the 511.

what have you got to say about it now Mr Martin?

Chill dude... you stated that the team drivers had gone backwards since using the 502... Lee replied asking who, and that he had being doing just fine with the 502…. Lee and the team should be left to do whatever necessary to win races for TRF, using TRF products.

The fact remains that Tamiya brought out the 502 as an alternative to the 511. The open belt drive system was not being well received by racers in Japan and USA, as they run on dirt and the open belt system was an issue. The answer was to respect the TRF race fans and create a 511 suspensioned, sealed transmission car... result the 502. So the TRF racer now has a choice and surely that in its own right is a good thing.

As we know the 502 has some slight differences over the 511 in terms of weight balance and steering, and these are born out of the transmission differences. As with all new cars, development has taken place, and the car improved. The problem for Lee is, that after a stunning debut year with TRF, his competitors have had to raise their game, and in most cases, they have had the same equipment. There have been some huge races over the past 3 months, Reedy, Petit, Cactus and the recent EOS. The 3 TRF team guys have been competitive at every race, with Lee obtaining some very creditable results, where Marc and Viktor have done very well with much less off road experience than the guys they race against. To state that they have gone backwards in races such as these against the best in the world is not a fair comment….. Staying at the top is real hard.

The recent change to running the 511 should not be seen as going back, but more choosing the right race vehicle for the track. Belt drive offers a smoother acceleration and the steering is more liner which suits the guys better. The higher maintenance time on the 511 at big races is not so much of a problem to these guys. Lap times seem more consistent.

For the club driver on a dirt track or even for someone who chooses not to prep his car quite so much, the 502 is a better option. The punchier transmission can also be an advantage..... its all about choices.

[mof]

Yes, you can actually see Lee going literally backwards with a 502!

5tyEC2-1tzc

No wait, it is everybody else going backwards... :thumbsup:

[msxmre]

Dom like I said im more than happy with this car. Best jumping buggy I've ever seen and as for Sunday, ready and looking forward to the start of the championship and more than happy in the knowledge that the car Ive got is capable of beating anything it goes up against.
Scotty....


Donutt
Quote:
Originally Posted by msxmre
Looks like all us that bought the Trf502x wasted our money. I actually really like my 502x but looks like the big T is going back to belts.
Scotty....
Ah well. See you Sunday and I'll show you how us 511 guys handle it...

[West Ridge Racing]

To argue what car is The best in this class is silly. Both cars are high quality racecars. Sure, the team drivers all drove 511 but there still were a shaft car that won from à differnet company. Go with what you have got and practice driving it instead.

[Jamie.T]

The recent change to running the 511 should not be seen as going back, but more choosing the right race vehicle for the track.

Your comments are spot on Jondell. I think the phrase goes "horses for course".

Also, as Jondell stated, the 502x is a sealed gearbox car which is not only a good fast car for the average Joe racer and beyond, but it requires a lot less maintenance. Most of us just want a car we can use time and time again without messing about with belts e.t.c as well as being competitive, i feel the 502x is exactly that. For that reason, its why im sticking firmly to my 502.

[DaveG28]

Yeah, tbh most cars are capable, after all, look at which car won the EOS!

[msxmre]

Just actually had time to read through Jondells and Jamies posts and you guys are spot on. Sticking with 502 just suits me and my racing. This trying to say which is better doesn't really hold up. I bet any of the top guys would be quick regardless of drivetrain. I like less maintenance so sealed gearboxes I like lol.
Scotty....

[Chris]

they drive a 511 says enough about the 502

but I go buy a 502 I want to test it myself

You can buy mine ;)

[fastinfastout]

sealed drive train

belt drive

why dont they just drive a db01r? haha

[marco NL]

You can buy mine ;)


i can by from hongkong for 308,00euro:D

[mattybucks]

I think the 502 is a faster lapping car, however the 511 is more consistent over a race, and easier to drive.

[Donutt]

Just actually had time to read through Jondells and Jamies posts and you guys are spot on. Sticking with 502 just suits me and my racing. This trying to say which is better doesn't really hold up. I bet any of the top guys would be quick regardless of drivetrain. I like less maintenance so sealed gearboxes I like lol.
Scotty....
Exactly Scotty (had tongue firmly in cheek earlier).

These Tamiya 4WD are fantastic cars. Drive superbly and in better hands than mine can beat anything.
Shaft drive vs belt drive is just "horses for courses".
One track suits belts, another track suits shaft.

In the same way, some tracks suit driver A, other tracks suit driver B.
That's why we love it - there's always a chance that "this is your day".

I think 2011 is going to be even more competitive amongst the cars AND the drivers, as they get more experience with their cars, and the latest minor tweaks to improve them.

Scotland's Outdoor Season starts Sunday and Scotty and I will be taking it to the rest of them. Wish us luck.

Bud, save me a spot to pit alongside you.

[Carno]

It'd be nice tho if the car that has a sealed gearbox would be better suited to tracks where it could actually keep out dirt. :woot:

[muratti]

sealed drive train

belt drive

why dont they just drive a db01r? haha


:thumbsup: You might laugh, i drive a DB01R beside my 502X and don´t find much difference regarding laptimes on my hometrack. I love both :wub

[fastinfastout]

:thumbsup: You might laugh, i drive a DB01R beside my 502X and don´t find much difference regarding laptimes on my hometrack. I love both :wub
no doubts, I use to own one and found them to be very competitive, and I have owned every 4wd out there besides the the losi and xtreme.

[CraigM]

Your comments are spot on Jondell. I think the phrase goes "horses for course".
+2

EOS was an indoor clay track, of course you'd run the belt drive car. No doubt we'll see the 502 pop up when they move onto some looser surfaces.

I'm also guessing they've decided the 511 will be best for the worlds track so they're concentrating set up and development on it at the moment.

[ottoswe]

I´ve gone with the 511 since i love the feel of belt compared to shaft driven cars.

the car just drives itself.

all of the a finalist had a bit of trouble with lack of mid corner steering other than that the car was awesome.

with fredrik emilssons belt cover there wont be any issues with the drivetrain. if anything i would say there is less work to be done on 511 than on the 502.

Evans was almost untouchable with the xxx-4 :P

[floudas103]

Hi Otto, congrats on your performance at the EOS!:thumbsup:

How come you used so little toe-in (2.5 deg) at the Tomellila track? and so hard springs ? on a surface so slippery...:confused:

[Jan Larsen]

I would imagine to gain steering. Less toe is effective in getting the rear to turn around and the stiff springs makes the car react faster, something you want on tight tracks.

[floudas103]

yes, that is what I thought also, but it seemed strange because on his TRF201 it was all about gaining rear traction...his stup was very soft... I guess the 4WD (511) has no such problem and needed the added steering...

[ottoswe]

floudas, you´re right. 511 have no problems with rear traction.

hard springs in the rear was mainly to make the car a bit easier to driver over the first table tops. lost a bit of stability but nothing that effected the laptime.

-2.5toe to get a bit more steering out of corners. the difference is pretty small but it changes direction quite fast.


211... well. use the new toe blocks. i dont think you should go over 4.0, so new blocks and -.5
or go with the TLR 22

[floudas103]

or go with the TLR 22[/QUOTE]

haha:thumbsup:
maybe I should...

I got the XA front block. Should I try it with the standard arms only or Yoko also for slippery surface?

[ottoswe]

super slippery=yoke parts :)

[floudas103]

got it!;)

what about yoke+xa block?

[ottoswe]

it will work, but i dont think you would want to move the arms even more to the front. yoke stuff = rear grip = no steering. :)