UK Short Course Nationals 2011 / Short Course Shootout

[spyro]

Afternoon everyone

The web site for the UK Short Course Nationals 2011 is now live.

Please use this to enter and find venue information.

The site will be continually updated in the next few weeks

www.ukshortcourse.com

Cheers

Chris

[Frecklychimp]

Good news Chris :thumbsup:

£5 entry fee per round is a bargain...

very tempting to run 2 classes now :woot:

[spyro]

Keep'in it cheap to encourage all the new drivers to get a taste for proper racing!!

Hopefully it will encourage drivers from other classes to get an RTR and have a go just for just to experience this class.

[HarlowS]

It doesnt say in your rules, but are you allowing reverse to be used ?? Its banned in every other class which i think is a good idea.

[spyro]

Hi after a quick discussion, the use of reverse will not be allowed as other classes.

I will get the rules updated in the morning.

Cheers

Chris

[richardj]

Bit miffed. How do i tell the young one he's banned coz his RTR has reverse :mad: Thought this was series was to encourage new blood.

[twisty]

Hi,

i`m for having reverse please and keep the rules to a minimum,you will only exclude drivers if you start with making loads of rules IMO.

This is supposed to be a fun light hearted fun class,all about having some FUN :)
My car has reverse,i will use it to get myself out of trouble if i can,will you ban me for using it?.
The "no reverse" rule was from a time back in the dark ages,when ESC`s blew up if you used reverse,it`s a well out dated rule and should be dropped from all classes IMHO [just to throw that in there :D ] LOL

OK with me if you [anyone]want to keep it in other classes,but to me this is one reason why those classes get limited uptake,just too many rules and red tape,forcing people to conform.

:p
:p
:p

S.

[spyro]

Hi Richard

Your young'n isn't banned at all!! Far from it.

It's not a rule/situation we had considered initially, as we are used to not having reverse.

Personnaly I think it confuses marshalls as you don't know which truck has reverse and which doesn't.

Maybe (Stefs idea) we but an R on the top of trucks with reverse enabled. Or maybe we run Reverse trucks together??

Don't forget this is a new class and new series so we are all learning to a point.


Agree with the rules Twisty, the less the better, this series is about fun.

Cheers

Chris

[HarlowS]

Disagree with you on that, the reverse rule is used to stop you reversing into somebody else and ruining there race, and with delayed reverses the driver doesnt even know when it will kick in so how are fellow racers.


Hi,

i`m for having reverse please and keep the rules to a minimum,you will only exclude drivers if you start with making loads of rules IMO.

This is supposed to be a fun light hearted fun class,all about having some FUN :)
My car has reverse,i will use it to get myself out of trouble if i can,will you ban me for using it?.
The "no reverse" rule was from a time back in the dark ages,when ESC`s blew up if you used reverse,it`s a well out dated rule and should be dropped from all classes IMHO [just to throw that in there :D ] LOL

OK with me if you [anyone]want to keep it in other classes,but to me this is one reason why those classes get limited uptake,just too many rules and red tape,forcing people to conform.

:p
:p
:p

S.

[twisty]

Hi,

yes i have heard the arguments for and against plenty over the years.
These trucks are tough and have big bumpers,you can save the marshall the run more often than not,meaning a more relaxed marshal,more relaxed meeting.

No one wants to reverse into another car and take them out,thats is not in the spirit of racing and shouldn`t even need mentioning.

I like reverse,it helps much more than it hinders,cars should have reverse IMHO.

:cry: if you decide to bring this rule to the series.

S.

[twisty]

Hi,

sorry,but this is bugging me.
If you implement a "no reverse" rule,i will Boycot the use of brakes and lock my brakes out :thumbsup: is that OK?

cheers,
S.

PS,I`m a trouble maker,sorry :woot:


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[graveltrap]

Do what you want with your brakes, if you consistently run into the back of people, you run the risk of being removed from the meeting :thumbdown:

Is it not possible to lock reverse out on the basic RTR speed controllers in question?

[Frecklychimp]

i'm pretty sure that most RTR SCT's have option of forward/brake as a seperate function to forward/reverse on the speedo, none of our racers run reverse and there are a fair few out of the box RTR's

I strongly agree with the organisers and Graveltrap's last comment...

In R/C racing reverse is not allowed, simple!... only class i know of is Mardaves and after seeing some of their national racing recently, all that ever happens is cars reverse out of barriers very slowly into path of oncoming cars... crash!

this not acceptable and will only cause arguments when a truck going along with flow of circuit direction gets broken because of a car reversing in front of them.

I agree that marshals will make a split second decision and head for a car that looks to be stuck facing markings etc.. not good if suddenly the stranded car backs up and leaves a marshal heading across track for no reason.

If its a major issue and enough drivers feel they need reverse... run a Novice class for cars running reverse and they can drive which way they want without upsetting the racers used to forward only.

[brookie]

Would like to know the basis of the 'banned in every other class' statement?

Have just trawled the BRCA 1:10 electric off-road rules (here: http://www.brca.org/sites/default/files/library_files/BRCAchairman/Handbook2011%20Final%20with%20Mods.%20Publish%201% 2010off%20road.pdf) and it clearly states:

23. CONSTRUCTION RULES - GENERAL

23.5 Any type of speed controller may be used but it must be contained within the car and not protrude through the body shell

Am with many of the others that banning them WILL put people of from entering this series as many of the RTR chassis come with Forward/Reverse ESC's and yes I do understand the implications of reversing into traffic and that marshalls may get slightly 'miffed' and going for a truck that has reverse capability but thought that this series was aimed at ALL drivers of ALL abilities with very few rules/regs to promote participation:thumbsup: and not select rules that will put drivers off.:thumbdown:

[Frecklychimp]

We are not running to BRCA 1/10th off-road rules... they are for buggies and stadium trucks... there are no rules governed for SCT's.

The majority will not be running reverse, it won't be fair to have a vote on it during the first round briefing as reverse fans will easily be out voted.

I've never seen it be an issue before!

The BRCA rules also state it is an offence to drive the wrong way on a track... whch reversing is technically breaking that rule.

Reverse could also be seen as an unfair advantage to those having to wait for marshals

Seperate classes... it makes it easier on marshalling and fairer to other drivers.

[HarlowS]

What micro's did when it all started was allow the speedo's but ban the use of reverse. That seems a perfectly reasonable compromise, meaning everyone gets to race, nobody has to buy new gear and racers can race without it becoming a dodgem track.

Just ban the USE of reverse, not the speedo.

[twisty]

Hmm.

I was joking about the brakes,but this is getting a tad silly.If i have to be in a "Novice" class because i would like to use reverse and/or have to have a big "R" on the roof of my car,i`m sorry,but `i`m out,you will have us wearing pointy "D" hats and standing in a corner next.

If you are stuck somewhere reverse or not,a marshall will be on the way,if you want to run forward/brakes only,thats up to you.I can`t see why we need any rule at all or to segregate again,just pants.

Was really looking forward to this,but it isn`t looking so good at the moment.I almost fell over my bottom lip too.
:cry:


S

[Frecklychimp]

Just checked...

SC10, XXX SCT, Strike, Blitz, Slash, Slash 4x4 all have OPTIONAL reverse, meaning they can be reprogrammed to run as forward/brake only

Pretty sure majority of RTR speedos are the same these days

There should be no extra expense expected for new racers, RTR's can be competitive in this class with experience and we want a friendly fun championship for everybody, but keeping to basic R/C racing rules is the only way you will keep the experienced racers interested as well as giving new starters a welcome start into the hobby.

Its not good for either party if a reversing car gets smacked by another one at speed, both parties lose out.

[Frecklychimp]

Hmm.

I was joking about the brakes,but this is getting a tad silly.If i have to be in a "Novice" class because i would like to use reverse and/or have to have a big "R" on the roof of my car,i`m sorry,but `i`m out,you will have us wearing pointy "D" hats and standing in a corner next.

If you are stuck somewhere reverse or not,a marshall will be on the way,if you want to run forward/brakes only,thats up to you.I can`t see why we need any rule at all or to segregate again,just pants.

Was really looking forward to this,but it isn`t looking so good at the moment.I almost fell over my bottom lip too.
:cry:


S

Quite simple matey, don't crash and you won't need reverse... thats the aim of the game :thumbsup:

Its R/C racing basics... at some point in the hobby you won't be able to use reverse, better for the new starters to get used to it in an entry class than than trying it at another big meeting and gettng penalised.

Its racing, its a championship... its not bashing with mates in a field where anything goes, there needs to be basic rules and format or it won't work

[spyro]

Ok guys we are going to go round in circles with this one...

From a seasoned race directors perspective you CANNOT run trucks with reverse and trucks without reverse in the same heat.

It confused drivers and marshals alike, and will lead to unfair incidents. I seen it all before.

Just because you run RTR doesn't mean you want or have to run reverse.

This is not about "banning" or penalising novice drivers especially RTR trucks. I'm even sure there are many drivers using non RTR kit who would like to use reverse.

it's just about a setting on the ESC and driver/track etiquette and marshal safety.

[twisty]

Well ,there seems to be no point arguing any further,but a last stab.

As a driver i don`t drive into cars that are reversing out unless i`m very unlucky,i use my eyes,fortunately they seem to work OK.

As a marshall,i`ll start to move towards a vehicle in trouble,if it reverses out and gets going again,i return to my marshal point.

SERIOUS NOTE.
Please keep us informed on this and any other decisions made as soon as you can.

thanks.

S.

[Frecklychimp]

Reverse is for Girls! :woot:

[Hog]

Another quick question - was hoping for my daughters to make their SCT debuts at the EPR round. Neither are BRCA members - would this be compulsory for them to race at this meeting as it's their first event?

[spyro]

Hi Hog

My understanding is that you can race at a BRCA affiliated club up to three times before you have to join.

Based on that they will be fine.

Cheers

Chris

[TonyM]

The no reversing rule has very fundamental reasons, it stops a marshal picking up a truck/buggy just as it's about to set off and potentially do damage to fingers etc. With the high torque that 550 motors can deliver I can see the potential is even greater in this class for serious damage.


A question, if reverse is allowed does this mean that the club running the event will lose their BRCA insurance coverage and leave themselves open to private litigation if someone is injured.

[mark christopher]

Ok guys we are going to go round in circles with this one...

From a seasoned race directors perspective you CANNOT run trucks with reverse and trucks without reverse in the same heat.


rubbish I and many used reverse at last years meeting. No problems. Sc is for fun don't make it anal and reliant on rules.

No the brca will not pull any insurance as a non brca sanctioned event you only need to comply to general rules. You do not need to use the eb list for lipo or motors either. and as there is no rule banning reverse its a pointless question

Taking reverse out will stop me entering....

[HarlowS]

Why do you need to use reverse ?? You have been in this sport long enough to know how to go forward, left and right ?? I dont understand what all the fuss is ??



I used reverse at last years meeting. No problems. Sc is for fun don't make it anal and reliant on rules.

No the brca will not pull any insurance as a non brca sanctioned event you only need to comply to general rules. You do not need to use the eb list for lipo or motors either.

Taking reverse out will stop me entering....

[spyro]

So here's a SERIOUS question... and it is only a question at the moment

Are the drivers that want to use reverse beginner/novice drivers?

[twisty]

I can`t speak for others,but i`m not a beginner or novice,i have nearly 20 years of RC racing experiance under my belt and do more than my fair share to help out.
As Mark points out,there were no problems at last years shootout with racers using reverse,i also used reverse as did nearly everyone else.

Marshals are not confused by reverse,nor are they in any more danger because cars reverse.

I got enough of this type of nonsence last year though,when the Slash trucks were excluded because they were deemed uncompetative by the new elite short course racers.That decision was made on the day and even though i benefitted by winning the Slash class,i would of rather raced against everyone else.

This is turning into another farce,please don`t let that happen.

BR,
S.

[Richard Lowe]

Not sure why this has got under people's skin so much, let people run reverse if they want - it can't hurt :)

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

I don't use reverse personally, but I think everyone should run the same to be fair, but hey, that's just my opinion...

[Frecklychimp]

its only a becoming a farce because of people whinging about using reverse... :thumbdown:

Organisers have already said no reverse... I agree and support decision... as will the majority.

since the speedos are all programmable to disable it, there isno problem with cost... so what is the issue?

The aim of racing is to go around a track in its set direction as fast as possible, faster than everyone else to win... not to crash or doing 3 point turns, practise more, then you won't crash.

Marshals are there to get cars going again if they crash, simples! I you crash you wait to be marshalled like everyone else will have to.

people threatening not to support a championship because they can't go backwards is pathetic...

I've raced for 20 years+ and its never been an issue i've seen before.

put your teddys back in the prams and get on with it like everyone else is prepared to do! :woot:

Since its a fun championship... anyone wishing to use reverse... has to drive backwards around the track.. seems fair to me!

[mark christopher]

double post

[learnerdriver]

Can I suggest the following:

Anyone who wishes to have reverse enabled puts an R sticker on their truck to signify to marshalls that the truck has reverse. The marshall can safely monitor the R-truck to see if it can recover itself.

This prevents the marshall being stranded in the middle of the track as the truck reverses out of a potential problem.

Anyone who uses reverse must use discretion when reversing out of a situation into possible traffic and this discretion will be monitored during the race, with possible penalties if it is felt that discretion is not used.

Using reverse may be an advantage in that the driver can recover from a situation quicker than a marshall can recover the car.

Please feel free to comment as appropriate :confused:

[TonyM]

Quite a few newbies at one of the clubs are drive at start with SC's and then progress to buggies. They get a shock when they race that class to find that reversing is penalised. Why not start them on the right track to start with and ban reverse. Anyway' reversing is for the wussies.

[Frecklychimp]

It could be seen as an advantage... but driving backwards is not progressive to lap times!

since i'm not planning on crashing it shouldn't effect anything...

got a big bumper on the front of truck if anything backing across track gets in the way! :thumbsup:

can't be *rsed in arguing over racing basics, let them have reverse, will only end in tears, broken cars and lazy marshalling excuses. :thumbdown:

as long as plenty of folks turn up and have a laugh... who cares!

[mark christopher]

Why do you need to use reverse ?? You have been in this sport long enough to know how to go forward, left and right ?? I dont understand what all the fuss is ??

yes your right, i have been in this sport long enought to know reverse is not banned in 10th off road or on road!
but this class allows contact and somone can tap you into the hose, i want to be able to recover my self instead of the marshall running for my car that has not had an accident, but been stopped by a legal fun move.....

i dont see what the fuss is about with those against it, if you dont want it, dont use it, if you do then it should be allowed

[mark christopher]

what i would like to ask why the organizers have decided to ban reverse?

just spoke to PW (10th ic chairman) and in 10th off road at BRCA and EFRA there is no ban on reverse!


also spoke to GD (Chief scruiteneer of 10th electric on road) and they have NO rule banning reverse!

so please explain why it needs banning in this class?

[Frecklychimp]

Quick change of subject as the reverse thing has drawn out long enough...

Would you be interested in having a crossover jump style feature to spice things up and emphasise the fun a bit?

Seen a few American tracks running them and they look fun, don't see an issue with safety as long as visibility from rostrum is good and marshals are out of the firing line... being able to jump over cars going around another track section would be fun?

[mark christopher]

It doesnt say in your rules, but are you allowing reverse to be used ?? Its banned in every other class which i think is a good idea.

how long have you been in this sport to know rules then?


your above claim is totally and fully incorrect........ its allowed in 10th off road in BRCA and EFRA and its allowed in BRCA 10th touring!

[mark christopher]

Hi after a quick discussion, the use of reverse will not be allowed as other classes.

I will get the rules updated in the morning.

Cheers

Chris

which classes DONT allow it then?

[mark christopher]

Do what you want with your brakes, if you consistently run into the back of people, you run the risk of being removed from the meeting :thumbdown:




why? contact is allowed!

[mark christopher]

In R/C racing reverse is not allowed, simple!... .

Factually incorrect
see my previous post after confirming with the 10th off road chairman and 10th TC chief scruteneer

see i get my facts right before i post!

[Frecklychimp]

yawn!

[Frecklychimp]

You are not that factually accurate Mr Christopher...

It is not full contact racing as written in the championship rules... there are penalties for full on take out manouveres, T boning and driving wrong way around track.

Also general rule 1.9 says reverse must be disabled...

End of discussion.

[mark christopher]

You are not that factually accurate Mr Christopher...

It is not full contact racing as written in the championship rules... there are penalties for full on take out manouveres, T boning and driving wrong way around track.

Also general rule 1.9 says reverse must be disabled...

End of discussion.


contact is allowed which was my statment! i never mentioned full contact

nice try but obviously its in the SC rules as it was added, the only electric class to ban reverse!!!!!

unfortunatly mark the rules have been made with out looking whats done in other electric classes

end of discussion for you as you carnt get out of it!:p

[Richard Lowe]

Would you be interested in having a crossover jump style feature to spice things up and emphasise the fun a bit?
A crossover jump or crossover with a 'bridge'? Not a fan of them myself but don't see a problem so long as visibility of the track isn't affected and there's minimal chance of T-boning another truck.

[Frecklychimp]

yes Mark, you are right, you are the best and you win, i submit through boredom and risk of putting people off by squabbling like kids! :woot:

as said before i'm not that fussed about reverse when it comes down to it... their won't be many 4WD trucks running it, have driven cars with reverse plenty of times and its something that gets forgotten about until a marshal is on the car or makes the brake effort poor...

In the words of Ricky Bobby.. " i wanna go fast" it doesn't mention backwards!

Richard, I was thinking of a crossover using well profiled jumps rather than a bridge... if there is enough air then contact with trucks below should be minimised, although they are all fitted with side impact bars!

would look spectacular, but if its a massive issue with drivers then i don't want to waste time and club funds building the feature for it to be moaned about, It works in the videos i have seen and does allow creative layouts.

[Richard Lowe]

I think it depends on how easy it is to clear and the level of the racers. By the looks of it this series is going to attract lots of less experienced people to race, the last thing you want is people struggling to clear it in a controlled way and smashing their trucks up.

How about the style of crossover I've seen used a few times in the US, you have an up ramp and a flat section on the top, then drop off the end onto a small landing ramp? That way you get a bit of air but have the safety of being able to go over it slowly without dropping onto the lane below.

[Frecklychimp]

That was sort of the plan... if the up ramp/level was a fair height then it will minimise chance of impacts.

Only considering it as we are just reaching final stages of track build and its something that can be put in easily before Astroturf is layed... may take some trial and error to make it useable and look good.

might be more of a headache than its worth but would be more fun than the bridge type and we have a fair amount of SCT's plus at least 3 SCT meetings to cater for this year.

Would like to add some SCT features into the track to give something extra to the class... other idea is a wall of death! :thumbsup:

[Richard Lowe]

A little bit like they had at the back of the Nitro Challenge this year...

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No wall of death please, they suck!!!

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

That was sort of the plan... if the up ramp/level was a fair height then it will minimise chance of impacts.

Only considering it as we are just reaching final stages of track build and its something that can be put in easily before Astroturf is layed... may take some trial and error to make it useable and look good.

might be more of a headache than its worth but would be more fun than the bridge type and we have a fair amount of SCT's plus at least 3 SCT meetings to cater for this year.

Would like to add some SCT features into the track to give something extra to the class... other idea is a wall of death! :thumbsup:

How about a few whoops? :thumbsup:

Something like those at 0:23 secs on that video

[Frecklychimp]

Is that Whula Whoops or Whoops of fire Shaun?

That track feature looks ok, will be borrowing someone elses SCT to test driving it of race control roof... if it survives then i'll get building!

Agree with walls of death, they look much more impressive then the fun given from driving them... unless its a 20ft high one... :thumbsup:

Once saw a XXT drive the full length of an indoor venue on the wall above straight... was by accident and couldn't be replicated but was awesome to see!

[telboy]

Hi after a quick discussion, the use of reverse will not be allowed as other classes.

I will get the rules updated in the morning.

Cheers

Chris

They never actually said that cars with reverse speedo's were banned from entering, just the USE of reverse.
I think people aren't reading the posts properly.

Its as simple as this...at drivers briefing, the organisers tell everyone that 'reverse should not be used'. If it is used then drivers will get a warning. If it is continuously use throughout the heat/day then the driver will get a penalty. Simple as that....surely? all the reverse speedos have a delay, so you can't use the excuse that it came on imediately.

[mark christopher]

They never actually said that cars with reverse speedo's were banned from entering, just the USE of reverse.
I think people aren't reading the posts properly.

Its as simple as this...at drivers briefing, the organisers tell everyone that 'reverse should not be used'. If it is used then drivers will get a warning. If it is continuously use throughout the heat/day then the driver will get a penalty. Simple as that....surely? all the reverse speedos have a delay, so you can't use the excuse that it came on imediately.

Tel why ban reverse from being used when 10th elec off road BRCA and EFRA dont nor do the 10th elec TC class

i read the post correctly, but as its allowed at Nationals and EFRA why make this class the odd one out?

[TonyM]

[QUOTE=mark christopher;488711]Tel why ban reverse from being used when 10th elec off road BRCA and EFRA dont nor do the 10th elec TC class

You are totally and utterly wrong. As previously mentioned, rule 1.9 1/10th off-road states that reverse must be disabled.

Anyone who has taken 1/10 seriously over the last few years will know that reverse is a definite no-no.

[mark christopher]

[QUOTE=mark christopher;488711]Tel why ban reverse from being used when 10th elec off road BRCA and EFRA dont nor do the 10th elec TC class
[QUOTE=TonyM;488717]
You are totally and utterly wrong. As previously mentioned, rule 1.9 1/10th off-road states that reverse must be disabled.

Anyone who has taken 1/10 seriously over the last few years will know that reverse is a definite no-no.


i have spoke to paul worsley tonight who has told me you can use reverse.
please speak to him......as i have twice tonight

the rules do not have a 1.9 in them

http://www.brca.org/?q=content/110th-electric-road/127 rules here http://www.brca.org/sites/default/files/library_files/BRCAchairman/Handbook2011%20Final%20with%20Mods.%20Publish%201% 2010off%20road.pdf

you will find that all sections use the main brca "general" rules now

myself and paul would like you to tell us where your getting rule "1.9 tenth off road from", not including the SC rules,were both unsure where you have got this rule from, and im sure Paul will not be wrong.....

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Let's just ban forward and reverse power altogether and have a pit man push our cars around the track!!

[Dudders]

Let's just ban forward and reverse power altogether and have a pit man push our cars around the track!!

only if 'my man' can run in front with a red flag!

[Frecklychimp]

Everyone using reverse should have a " this vehicle is reversing" speaker fitted for health and safety purposes. Mr Christophers should be read out in all available EU languages to be fair in the rules :p

Mark seriously... when have you ever seen reverse used in 1/10th onroad or offroad meetings?

it may not be a written rule as you have discovered but its been assumed for years that you don't have reverse in r/c racing... why is it now an issue?

At club level, when a kid turns up for their first meeting... the first time they get stuck in a hose and back up they get mullered by a faster car, and there are damages to either cars... seen it far too many times... plus the frustration when a marshal leaps in front of traffic to rescue a car to have it reverse and throw them into confusion whilst they are dodging traffic and getting in the line of sight for other drivers.

Have a vote on rule at first round briefing and result is decided by those that have shown up, paid and are keen for supporting series enough to turn up to race.

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

only if 'my man' can run in front with a red flag!

lol :woot:

I must say, this thread is really starting to sound like a National now lol

I've just opened the Butterkist popcorn :thumbsup:

[HarlowS]

Could always go back to our roots and run 'remote' controlled trucks. Im making sure mine has a 40m wire attached :lol:

[mark christopher]

Everyone using reverse should have a " this vehicle is reversing" speaker fitted for health and safety purposes. Mr Christophers should be read out in all available EU languages to be fair in the rules :p

Mark seriously... when have you ever seen reverse used in 1/10th onroad or offroad meetings?

it may not be a written rule as you have discovered but its been assumed for years that you don't have reverse in r/c racing... why is it now an issue?

At club level, when a kid turns up for their first meeting... the first time they get stuck in a hose and back up they get mullered by a faster car, and there are damages to either cars... seen it far too many times... plus the frustration when a marshal leaps in front of traffic to rescue a car to have it reverse and throw them into confusion whilst they are dodging traffic and getting in the line of sight for other drivers.

Have a vote on rule at first round briefing and result is decided by those that have shown up, paid and are keen for supporting series enough to turn up to race.

worksop indoors

last year at the short course shoot out at coventry by myself and many others

now your saying its not a written rule when you and others have said it is come on make your mind up! i have never assumed!

why make the rule in the first place when the BRCA and EFRA dont? it worked ok at the coventry meeting last year

[taz5311]

Hi All,
Just to let you all know I am currently speaking to the manufacturers for an answer with regards to the reversing issue.
This will be resolved as soon as possible.
The aim of this series was to introduce it properly to the uk and allow the many drivers who have asked for it to run their trucks at a series and against others! It is a FUN series however it will not be turned into a bash 'em smash 'em series, we have tried to keep the rules to a minimum to reflect this, but do not want a return to the issues of people driving the wrong way down the track.
Those of us who are organising the series may not have had as much experience as some at organising national events, this series has got this far in less than a year and is thanks to some very determined people who have put a lot of time and effort into this.
It is a new class, so please bear with us and we dont bite so please constructive comments are much appreciated, but argueing on the thread will just end up turning people away. If you have major concerns PM one of us and we will try to resolve it before it becomes such a big issue and maybe then it may not turn people away.
Frustration vented, now for a brew!!

[1rcdad]

Mark is right,at last years Dirt masters,rrci shootout and the shortcourse carnage meeting many cars were using reverse,and i didnt hear anyone complaining.

[mark christopher]

Hi All,
Just to let you all know I am currently speaking to the manufacturers for an answer with regards to the reversing issue.
This will be resolved as soon as possible.
The aim of this series was to introduce it properly to the uk and allow the many drivers who have asked for it to run their trucks at a series and against others! It is a FUN series however it will not be turned into a bash 'em smash 'em series, we have tried to keep the rules to a minimum to reflect this, but do not want a return to the issues of people driving the wrong way down the track.
Those of us who are organising the series may not have had as much experience as some at organising national events, this series has got this far in less than a year and is thanks to some very determined people who have put a lot of time and effort into this.
It is a new class, so please bear with us and we dont bite so please constructive comments are much appreciated, but argueing on the thread will just end up turning people away. If you have major concerns PM one of us and we will try to resolve it before it becomes such a big issue and maybe then it may not turn people away.
Frustration vented, now for a brew!!

not being funny but i dont need reverse to drive the wrong way round the track, it was not a crash and bash meeting at coventry last year?

i use it sensibly to get my truck of a hose, not to do a lap!!
if somone rolls or spins thier car and is facing the wrong way, are they then expected to wait for a marshal to turn them round, no they are allowed to do a u turn which means they have had to move the wrong way round the track until thier facing the wrong way. and most dont wait for a clear track....

[Frecklychimp]

I've never said its a written rule, find a quote that actually states that fact?

what do you want from this bickering?

is it a case of trying to p*ss of as many people as possible?

Are you trying to cause problems for the SCT class before the first National series starts?

The class is not governed by BRCA, EFRA, FIFA or any other organisation.

The series organisers have said reverse must be disabled... its got nothing to do with any other organisation so your arguing is invalid

for a start it puts everyone in the same situation and its only you with the problem.

If you seriously cannot race without going backwards, then maybe you should go play reversing at a national touring car meeting and see what happens!

[Frecklychimp]

Mark is right,at last years Dirt masters,rrci shootout and the shortcourse carnage meeting many cars were using reverse,and i didnt hear anyone complaining.

i organised Shortcourse Carnage, didn't see one truck reverse all day, if it was noticed then it would have been something to discuss when putting rules together.

This topic has only been noticed by a parent worried that their kid will be banned for having reverse if its not allowed.

[1rcdad]

I should have said something at the time,but it never caused a problem,hence most people did not notice,(and i was mashalling at all 3 meetings)

[taz5311]

Mark,
I'm really not getting into an arguement about this, my reference to going the wrong way round the track was NOT anything to do with the 'reverse' issue, but was a comment in regards to it being turned into a bash 'em crash 'em series.
Please lets give this series a go, if you don't like the rules or the running of the series after the first round then fine, nothing gained nothing lost.
But please dont use a public forum to slate a series that is new and we as organisers will listen to comments take them on board and see if changes need to be made.

[mark christopher]

I've never said its a written rule, find a quote that actually states that fact?

what do you want from this bickering?

is it a case of trying to p*ss of as many people as possible?

Are you trying to cause problems for the SCT class before the first National series starts?

The class is not governed by BRCA, EFRA, FIFA or any other organisation.

The series organisers have said reverse must be disabled... its got nothing to do with any other organisation so your arguing is invalid

for a start it puts everyone in the same situation and its only you with the problem.

If you seriously cannot race without going backwards, then maybe you should go play reversing at a national touring car meeting and see what happens!
no twisty has a problem too!!!

no i just dont see the need to ban reverse when others dont!

you were the first one to start quoting brca

i'm pretty sure that most RTR SCT's have option of forward/brake as a seperate function to forward/reverse on the speedo, none of our racers run reverse and there are a fair few out of the box RTR's

I strongly agree with the organisers and Graveltrap's last comment...

In R/C racing reverse is not allowed, simple!... only class i know of is Mardaves and after seeing some of their national racing recently, all that ever happens is cars reverse out of barriers very slowly into path of oncoming cars... crash!

this not acceptable and will only cause arguments when a truck going along with flow of circuit direction gets broken because of a car reversing in front of them.

I agree that marshals will make a split second decision and head for a car that looks to be stuck facing markings etc.. not good if suddenly the stranded car backs up and leaves a marshal heading across track for no reason.

If its a major issue and enough drivers feel they need reverse... run a Novice class for cars running reverse and they can drive which way they want without upsetting the racers used to forward only.

well it IS allowed!

We are not running to BRCA 1/10th off-road rules... they are for buggies and stadium trucks... there are no rules governed for SCT's.

The majority will not be running reverse, it won't be fair to have a vote on it during the first round briefing as reverse fans will easily be out voted.

I've never seen it be an issue before!

The BRCA rules also state it is an offence to drive the wrong way on a track... whch reversing is technically breaking that rule.

Reverse could also be seen as an unfair advantage to those having to wait for marshals

Seperate classes... it makes it easier on marshalling and fairer to other drivers.

the red bits, well you make your mind up if you want to qoute em or not!:p

[mark christopher]

Mark,
I'm really not getting into an arguement about this, my reference to going the wrong way round the track was NOT anything to do with the 'reverse' issue, but was a comment in regards to it being turned into a bash 'em crash 'em series.
Please lets give this series a go, if you don't like the rules or the running of the series after the first round then fine, nothing gained nothing lost.
But please dont use a public forum to slate a series that is new and we as organisers will listen to comments take them on board and see if changes need to be made.

im not slating the serries im questioning a rule and yes it is a public forum so debates will happen!

what i dont appreciate (and this is not you) folk telling me that reverse is NOT allowed in electric racing when section officials have told me it is!

[telboy]

Right, at the end of the day, if the organisers decide that they don't want reverse used, is it going to stop people from entering?

Well it won't stop me from entering and my SC HAS reverse on. But if I put it into a track marker and get stuck nose forward, then I'll wait for a marshal to get it, because I know how much it p***es me off when I risk my ankle to get to a car only for it to reverse away.

And, I HAVE witnesses reversing in RC before....and have been the victim of it both times as the cars reversed into me, ruining my run. This is what people are wanting to avoid.

I'm sure if I reversed into one of the people who are all for reverse then they would be the first to moan at me for ruining their run?

[Fast Eddie]

Hi
Im a novice who has spent alot of money and time preparing my truck and have used my 1 in 4 sundays to enable my attendance.

I thought it was supposed to be fun, I have far too much stress at work to worry that im in a series where it is almost life and death over something so small (in my eyes).

Someone please confirm I wont be walking into a tense days racing where arguments will ensue from a truck going backwards:lol:

p.s I will be the SCRT10 stuck in the side wishing my new super duper sidewinder kit had sodding reverse:thumbsup:

[Frecklychimp]

doesn't mention "written rules" though does it? :p

you can ask as many officials as you like, its common knowledge that they don't want or like SCT's or they would have embraced the class and got BRCA rules together 2 years ago when the class appeared, rather than burying their heads and ignoring it.

I like the fact you have opened a huge can of BRCA worms though, although i won't be testing the reverse policy at official meetings until i can qualify in the National A finals... or im sat with you directly behind me on the grid in a final :p

I see your point, being able to reverse out of hoses is a bonus as long as you don't get in anyones way or cause them to change course whilst doing it or confuse marshals... but in that sense its a driver aid and should therefore be seen as an unfair advantage so although i see the point, i'm not agreeing with it as validation to make it a big deal.

You don't seem to be reading or commenting on other valid points discussed in this debate?

[mark christopher]

Right, at the end of the day, if the organisers decide that they don't want reverse used, is it going to stop people from entering?

Well it won't stop me from entering and my SC HAS reverse on. But if I put it into a track marker and get stuck nose forward, then I'll wait for a marshal to get it, because I know how much it p***es me off when I risk my ankle to get to a car only for it to reverse away.

And, I HAVE witnesses reversing in RC before....and have been the victim of it both times as the cars reversed into me, ruining my run. This is what people are wanting to avoid.

I'm sure if I reversed into one of the people who are all for reverse then they would be the first to moan at me for ruining their run?
lol then dont risk your ankle, let em use reverse :D, and re read post 65 i think you have miss read it :p

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Why can't people accept it's a one off rule for Short Course? :confused: Forget about the rest of the series etc...

This could go on with every series out there. As I represent RRCI in this series as a contributor, as do you Mark and a few other on this thread, I will be happy no matter what rules are enforced, whether they are the same as 1/10th, 1/8th, on or off road.

The idea is to get the series up and running first and have fun doing it. For god's sake it's the first National of it's kind in the UK, can't we just enjoy ourselves and if it gets stupidly popular next year, then we would be in a position to compromise and layout some fixed rules.

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

lol then dont risk your ankle, let em use reverse :D, and re read post 65 i think you have miss read it :p

But you don't always no if they have reverse if they are stationary for a few seconds! A good marshal would be halfway to the car before this time.

Can you look at a car and say straight away "oh it's ok, it has reverse" without it actually moving first?

[HarlowS]

Can you show me a rule where it says you cant cut corners and drive the wrong way round the track ???

But i have a sneaky feeling (dont quote me on this though) that its not allowed either.

[mark christopher]

Why can't people accept it's a one off rule for Short Course? :confused: Forget about the rest of the series etc...

This could go on with every series out there. As I represent RRCI in this series as a contributor, as do you Mark and a few other on this thread, I will be happy no matter what rules are enforced, whether they are the same as 1/10th, 1/8th, on or off road.

The idea is to get the series up and running first and have fun doing it. For god's sake it's the first National of it's kind in the UK, can't we just enjoy ourselves and if it gets stupidly popular next year, then we would be in a position to compromise and layout some fixed rules.

well as a long term contributor i supported the first rrci meeting at coventry where reverse was allowed, there were no problems then, i have experienced a big outdoor sc meeting and dont see why the rule is needed. i can apreciate in buggies cars can be damaged by hitting others sc are enclosed wheels with bumpers and side bars, if you and tel think your going to get a clean run without somone nudging you into a hose or putting you into a spin think again!

[1rcdad]

It will all be good fun when the racing starts. I am going to enable reverse on my esc to see how much it affect the brakes and if it generates extra heat,will try it out tomorrow.

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Can you show me a rule where it says you cant cut corners and drive the wrong way round the track ???

But i have a sneaky feeling (dont quote me on this though) that its not allowed either.

PMSL! :woot:

[mark christopher]

But you don't always no if they have reverse if they are stationary for a few seconds! A good marshal would be halfway to the car before this time.

Can you look at a car and say straight away "oh it's ok, it has reverse" without it actually moving first?
we all know there are few good marshals and most are asleep

[Fast Eddie]

we all know there are few good marshals and most are asleep

Its tiring racing for 5 mins:lol:

[telboy]

lol then dont risk your ankle, let em use reverse :D, and re read post 65 i think you have miss read it :p



No Mr Christopher, I did not mis-read it. But further down the thread it does say that no one really noticed as no harm was done.
BUT, IF (its a big word ..if) I was to ruin someones race because I reversed into them, breaking their car, then it would become a more serious issue, and yes the person with the broken car would moan at me. :cry:

Also, it wouldn't be the only class that banned reverse. The Micro section have banned reverse....I know, as I fell foul of the rule when I used it at one of their events. :p

Lets stop bickering. The organisers will decide and we will have to abide by the rules that they decide. :):thumbsup:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

well as a long term contributor i supported the first rrci meeting at coventry where reverse was allowed, there were no problems then, i have experienced a big outdoor sc meeting and dont see why the rule is needed. i can apreciate in buggies cars can be damaged by hitting others sc are enclosed wheels with bumpers and side bars, if you and tel think your going to get a clean run without somone nudging you into a hose or putting you into a spin think again!

Yes I dare say we be put into a spin and nudged into a hose, but we are not going to stand there and cry about it and swear at people just because we don't have reverse! Wait to be marshalled, and carry on.

[spyro]

Mark,

Just out of interest did you actually have a rule for the RRCI meeting that even mentioned reverse? I know we didn't for Short Course Carnage.

If the question hadn't been asked then we wouldn't be having this debate, and rightly or wrongly we would have races with some reversing trucks and some not.

Working all this out is all part of a new series I surpose :cry:

Chris

[telboy]

ACTUALLY, thats a good point shaun!!!

if someone knows your truck doesn't have reverse then what is to stop someone purposefully putting you nose first into a hose?...knowing full well that if they have reverse and even end up next to you, then they will get away first?

[Frecklychimp]

I got the feeling that you won't exactly need targets painted on your car for this series Mark... remember, rubbing is racing :p

Easy to spot with a big "R tard" sticker on the roof.

When you look at BRCA regs... there is a lot that can be taken for granted,

The thing is Mr Christopher... you know and see where we are all coming from

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Do you turn up at a 1/8th off road National and tell them one of there rules stink because they don't run the same rule in 1/10th off road National?

I doubt it!

[mark christopher]

Can you show me a rule where it says you cant cut corners and drive the wrong way round the track ???

But i have a sneaky feeling (dont quote me on this though) that its not allowed either.
you did not want to ask that did you?


17.6 At the Referees‟ discretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any
one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well
defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:

[Fast Eddie]

The first thing you would notice is that they all have bigger cars:thumbsup:

[Frecklychimp]

If i'm the event referee does that mean i can drive how and where i want if i think its ok for me to do so? :thumbsup:

[telboy]

you did not want to ask that did you?



17.6
At the Referees‟ discretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any

one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well


defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:


Technically, that was my point in an earlier post was it not?:woot:

Just tell people that if reverse is used then pnalties will be given?:confused:

:lol::thumbsup:


Lets all let them decide.....then we can argue!! :D

[mark christopher]

Do you turn up at a 1/8th off road National and tell them one of there rules stink because they don't run the same rule in 1/10th off road National?

I doubt it!


der 8th have been running for years and have a set of established rules, myself and others are questioning the ruling as other meetings have alowed it with no issues!

[1rcdad]

yes,but don't reverse into the stop go penalty box.

[Fast Eddie]

If i'm the event referee does that mean i can drive how and where i want if i think its ok for me to do so? :thumbsup:

yes, and deduct laps from others and shoot anyone in reverse, this is silly

[Frecklychimp]

Just don't tell mark that the "R" stickers to be fitted to the roof of reverse enabled SCT's are fitted to a paving slab!

[telboy]

Like I say, lets let them decide first. ;)

[HarlowS]

lol, I'll give you that one mark :p

So, i would also go along with that rule and say that reversing into race traffic would be bad driving...... and the only way to prevent that is....... Yup. you guessed it........ Stop reverse from being used :thumbsup:

Jobs a goodun, bobs your uncle




you did not want to ask that did you?


17.6
At the Referees‟ discretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any
one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well

defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

der 8th have been running for years and have a set of established rules, myself and others are questioning the ruling!

Durr! EXACTLY!! This is only just starting up, so at least give the rule a chance before slating it! You don't think the 1/8th National rules were writen over night and suited everybody do you?

And as far as I can see, there is only you Mark that is getting your knickers in a twist about this reverse...Just turn up and race with what has been provided for you.

Live by the theory that we have at at worksop...If you help organise, plan and put your own sweat and tear's into making it work, then you are in a position to question rules and regulations. If not, turn up and race in what has been provided for you, and be thankfull someone has took there time to make it happen so you can race your shortcourse.

[taz5311]

Fast Eddie,
Rest assured that this will not be an issue at the race events and hopefully stress will be kept to the minimum, a considered decision will be made by the organiser's (me being one of them) and that will be the final answer.
When and if we become sanctioned by the BRCA next year if the series takes off then we will abide by their rules and they will have the final decision.
To go back to richardj's original comment, your lad won't be banned for having reverse however he will be encouraged not to use it and this may help with his driving skills ( I just wait for the criticism of that statement.)

[Fast Eddie]

cheers taz, I will see you on easter sunday
why dont we all bring an egg and give it to the man/woman on your left and have some fun:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

I got the feeling that you won't exactly need targets painted on your car for this series Mark... remember, rubbing is racing :p

Easy to spot with a big "R tard" sticker on the roof.

When you look at BRCA regs... there is a lot that can be taken for granted,

The thing is Mr Christopher... you know and see where we are all coming from

yup i see where twisty and the others are coming from.
i know if i hit somone reversing out of a hose on a corner it will do just as much damage (if any) as if i hit it stationary or doing a u turn!

any one who want to get my colours in thier head my car truck looks like this :thumbsup:


http://www.radioracecar.com/ascx/BetterImageProcessor.ashx?src=%2ftrapletimages%2fr rc110501.jpg&w=300&ha=B920B6B1B3DAB36C25470095353739B350F49DC1

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

I've got an idea, get all the people that want to use reverse and put them all in heats together.

[taz5311]

you did not want to ask that did you?



17.6
At the Referees‟ discretion, penalties can be incurred for bad driving and/or corner cutting with any
one of the following, depending on the severity of the offence: Official Warning, Stop-Go penalty (Nationals
Only), 5 or 10 second penalty, 1 lap penalty, disqualification. The Stop-Go penalty area must be well
defined and in a position that is practical to operate.


so your point was? :woot:


Mark,
You have just answered your own question regarding reverse, It states in the rules (as they stand) that the USE of reverse will not be allowed, the same penalties outlined above will be used by the organisers to penalise the use of reverse at their discretion.

[mark christopher]

Durr! EXACTLY!! This is only just starting up, so at least give the rule a chance before slating it! You don't think the 1/8th National rules were writen over night and suited everybody do you?

And as far as I can see, there is only you Mark that is getting your knickers in a twist about this reverse...Just turn up and race with what has been provided for you.

Live by the theory that we have at at worksop...If you help organise, plan and put your own sweat and tear's into making it work, then you are in a position to question rules and regulations. If not, turn up and race in what has been provided for you, and be thankfull someone has took there time to make it happen so you can race your shortcourse.

im NOt slating it im questioning it

then go read the whole thread and look at twisty and others!

[telboy]

HAHA....Very funny MR christopher!!!:woot::thumbsup:



Touche!!

You can all hit Mr Christophers car because he is sponsored by DREMEL!!! so he will be able to repair it easily!:p ;)


:thumbsup:

[Frecklychimp]

Lets just concentrate on the job at hand now...

Turn up on 24th April at Silverstone Buggy Club and blast some trucks around... i'm sure when the racing starts the moaning will stop for the laughing to begin.

One thing we have all overlooked in the heat of debate...

Mark, you are a bit optimistic in expecting to be using reverse all day to get out of hoses, is that a sorry admission of being rubbish when it comes to SCT battling? :p

[mark christopher]

Mark,
You have just answered your own question regarding reverse, It states in the rules (as they stand) that the USE of reverse will not be allowed, the same penalties outlined above will be used by the organisers to penalise the use of reverse at their discretion.
[/LEFT]

im fully aware that the rule is there, im questioning why use it. if it stays before round 1 then so be it!

the rule was added 24 hours ago, after it was questioned on here was reverse allowed, until that time there was no rule on reverse, and i for one asumed as it was not there prior then reverse was allowed.

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

im NOt slating it im questioning it

then go read the whole thread and look at twisty and others!

The point is, there is no need to question it, these are the rules you have been given. Turn up and race and be grateful this series is even happening.

[mark christopher]

Lets just concentrate on the job at hand now...

Turn up on 24th April at Silverstone Buggy Club and blast some trucks around... i'm sure when the racing starts the moaning will stop for the laughing to begin.

One thing we have all overlooked in the heat of debate...

Mark, you are a bit optimistic in expecting to be using reverse all day to get out of hoses, is that a sorry admission of being rubbish when it comes to SCT battling? :p

no i just know my truck is allways a bloody target, im currently talking to target
company on being sponsored :woot::p:D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9a/Target_logo.svg/432px-Target_logo.svg.png

[mark christopher]

The point is, there is no need to question it, these are the rules you have been given. Turn up and race and be grateful this series is even happening.

but the rule was NOT there 24 hours ago??????????????
oh and you got a big hook in your back...........:wub

[spyro]

I've got an idea, get all the people that want to use reverse and put them all in heats together.

This is an idea I was getting at when I asked my SERIOUS question earlier. Which I only got ONE answer to.

I can't find any reference to the use of reverse in any other class rules. (and no I haven't read them all).

I have never seen a 10th buggy reverse at a BRCA regional for example.

That's because it just isn't done as all race speedo's don't (didn't) have reverse.

Maybe this will change with the introduction of the RTR Mad Rats and the likes, and next year there will be a rule.

[telboy]

the micro section have banned reverse. :)

[spyro]

but the rule was NOT there 24 hours ago??????????????
oh and you got a big hook in your back...........:wub

and it may not be there in another 24 hours time once we have finished the debate.

[mark christopher]

This is an idea I was getting at when I asked my SERIOUS question earlier. Which I only got ONE answer to.

I can't find any reference to the use of reverse in any other class rules. (and no I haven't read them all).

I have never seen a 10th buggy reverse at a BRCA regional for example.

That's because it just isn't done as all race speedo's don't (didn't) have reverse.

Maybe this will change with the introduction of the RTR Mad Rats and the likes, and next year there will be a rule.
tekin rs pro has reverse, novak kinetic has reverse.......trust me i have made the phone calls to check, there is nothing written as its allowed!

[mark christopher]

the micro section have banned reverse. :)
there little fragile open wheel things arnt they? :p

[spyro]

the micro section have banned reverse. :)

ok thanks Tel... I did say I hadn't read them all!! :thumbsup:

BUT this is a good example, Micro's is reletively new class and has introduced a new rule, not seen in any other class. (Go on correct me again :lol:)

[telboy]

there little fragile open wheel things arnt they? :p

Aren't Short Course trucks? :woot:....but with a big flimsy peice of lexan thrown on top?:lol:

[Frecklychimp]

Nah, leave the rule in Chris...

Its only winding one person up and he deserves it! :p

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

He's just on the phone to the micro chairman lol :woot:

[telboy]

OOoh Mark, on a more serious note lol...

Will you be running 2wd or 4wd?

[twisty]

:( very very :(

[mark christopher]

Aren't Short Course trucks? :woot:....but with a big flimsy peice of lexan thrown on top?:lol:
and big chuffin bumpers and side bars!

[Frecklychimp]

OOoh Mark, on a more serious note lol...

Will you be running 2wd or 4wd?

Which Mark, Tel?

[telboy]

Sorry lol, Mr Christoph. :)

[mark christopher]

He's just on the phone to the micro chairman lol :woot:
nah chris is not my type lol and i only checked outdoor classes

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

and big chuffin bumpers and side bars!

Only a front bumper if you run a Durango :woot:

[mark christopher]

OOoh Mark, on a more serious note lol...

Will you be running 2wd or 4wd?
i can not do moto arena im on hol ( racing on easter doh!)
2wd then 4wd when the FT comes to town! so eventually both, so you best buy that rear bumper!! :p

[mark christopher]

Nah, leave the rule in Chris...

Its only winding one person up and he deserves it! :p

who is winding who up?;)

[telboy]

Only a front bumper if you run a Durango :woot:


Thats because no other truck will be close enough the rear for it to need one!!!:woot:



.....erm, maybe I should get one for mine.:eh?:

:p

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Thats because no other truck will be close enough the rear for it to need one!!!:woot:



.....erm, maybe I should get one for mine.:eh?:

:p

LMAO! :woot:

[Frecklychimp]

who is winding who up?;)

i won't be getting penalised for reversing at the meetings :p

[Frecklychimp]

Only a front bumper if you run a Durango :woot:


According to set rules they must have front and REAR bumpers fitted in accordance with SCT championship listing!

Damn shame, the Durangos are all banned in standard trim, another can of worms opens!

[Fast Eddie]

oh dear

[taz5311]

:( very very :(
Whats up twisty?

[telboy]

According to set rules they must have front and REAR bumpers fitted in accordance with SCT championship listing!

Damn shame, the Durangos are all banned in standard trim, another can of worms opens!


Haha, technically the durango does have a rear bumper.....its just weely weely tiny.:blush:

:woot:

[Frecklychimp]

I feel for the poor bodyshell taking the brunt...

and my allegedly legal Losi truck will be feeling the Durango's bodyshells taking the brunt too :woot:

only in small nudging/rubbing "not taking out moves" of course, in accordance with the... erm rules!

Must admit the bodyshell on my SCRT-10 was destroyed in the end... Gaffa tape keeping the halves together! (rubbing is racing!)

[twisty]

Hi all,

i have been thinking quite a bit about why i feel so strongly about the reverse thing.
These trucks are all about being rough and tumble,light contact is encouraged,they have big bumpers etc etc etc.If someone bumps me off onto a pipe or i get stuck,[i don`t have a problem with that,it`s part of the attraction] but i would like to be able to use reverse to try and get myself going again ASAP,not have to wait for a marshall when maybe it wasn`t my fault i`m beached.

I hope the actual organisers will reconsider thier decision to even make this a rule and drop it.

S.

[Mark A]

I'm after a body shell for a SC10, the rules don't allow a beatle shell .
I would like to Thank the organisers for all there hard work in getting this series up and running , rules is rules i need a rear bumper too.
I know Paul And Stef have put alot of hours into this.
Website is also looking good.
Dude

[twisty]

Hi Mark,

good post.I would also like to thank the folks who are trying thier best to sort the series out[Paul,Stef,et al],they are doing a great job,no doubt under pressure from several sides.

Re,the Beetle bodyshell,they would be aloud if there was a closed wheel version available,the big thing about Short course trucks is the fact that they are closed wheel type bodys,meaning they can make quite hard contact with each other on the track and not hook up on each others wheels,sending cars off in random directions,they are much more stable and predictable than open wheel buggys with regards to contact.

I take my hat off to anyone who races open wheel,it requires maximum precision driving to make it look good,be fast and clean.It`s very hard to do right.

The reason Touring cars was/is popular is they have this similar forgiving nature regarding contact.

Short Course will succeed regardless because of the closed wheel thing and the fact they can cover rough ground at relatively high speed,they look good[if you like that sort of thing] and off road tracks being much easyer to find than on road venues.

I honestly do think rules should be kept to an absolute minimum,i whole heartedly agree with the wheels ,tyres and body rules,but after that,i would not limit power,amount of cells because that is down to how well the drivers can handle thier rides[but i can live with those].
I certainly would not ban reverse,in fact the only thing i would consider banning would be a steering aid such as a giro or similar.



Just one last bit regarding marshal safety and reverse,i put it to you all,that having reverse is actually safer than not having it.
With regards to marshalls,if a truck is able to reverse out without the need for a marshall,that marshall is still stood safely at his/her marshall point.
Quite simply reverse equals less marshalling all together,less risk to marshals being on the track.

I think thats me done,for now anyway.

BR,
S.

[PaulD]

I know Paul And Stef have put alot of hours into this.
Website is also looking good.
Dude

Mark,

Thanks for the comment about the amount of effort to get this far, but one thing to remember is that Chris has done all the work on the website.

Paul

[PaulD]

We have now had confirmation from a couple of the series sponsers that with the the RTR trucks it is not possible to disable the reverse on the speed control. So we will be amending requiring reverse to be disabled, but penalties will be issued for incorrect use.

As for penalties for incorrect use, we want people to enjoy the racing in the series, and I don't think anyone enjoys being taken out by someone elses bad driving which could end your days racing. Which is why we put the rule in for penalties in the first place.

I hope that people will be happy with this, I can't see any other alternative, as for this series to work we need trucks on the tracks, so we need the rules to allow RTR trucks otherwise we are potentially removing large numbers drivers before the series has even started.

Paul

[telboy]

Paul, Thats cool. :)

Not a problem.
Really looking forward to what could be the best series I take part in this year. :)

BRING IT ON!!!!!:thumbsup:

[team n.o.m.a.d]

hopefully will run a round at my local track ndor see you soon:thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

We have now had confirmation from a couple of the series sponsers that with the the RTR trucks it is not possible to disable the reverse on the speed control. So we will be amending requiring reverse to be disabled, but penalties will be issued for incorrect use.

As for penalties for incorrect use, we want people to enjoy the racing in the series, and I don't think anyone enjoys being taken out by someone elses bad driving which could end your days racing. Which is why we put the rule in for penalties in the first place.

I hope that people will be happy with this, I can't see any other alternative, as for this series to work we need trucks on the tracks, so we need the rules to allow RTR trucks otherwise we are potentially removing large numbers drivers before the series has even started.

Paul

Good call all

[TonyM]

Shame, that's me out. My SXX TC doesn't do reverse and not having it when others do will be too much of a disadvantage.

[MALLET]

Shame, that's me out. My SXX TC doesn't do reverse and not having it when others do will be too much of a disadvantage.

What!!! Paul has just put that you cannot use reverse with a RTR or any other speedo, as if you do you will be penalised for doing so.

[TonyM]

What!!! Paul has just put that you cannot use reverse with a RTR or any other speedo, as if you do you will be penalised for doing so.

Not the way I read it mate. But I can get easily confused.

Just reread again and it's the word 'incorrect use' which is throwing me. I am interpreting this to mean if reverse is used and it causes any other driver a problem then penalties would incur. Rather, than if there was an outright ban on reverse I would expect to see the word 'use' instead. Could be semantics but I'd be very happy if it does in fact mean reverse cannot be used in any circumstance.

[spyro]

Ok Gents to clarify:

1.9 Speed controllers with reverse will be allowed, but penalties will be given for incorrect use (see rule 3.4)

The rules on the web site will be updated shortly.


On another note, TonyM, if you book in where would you put your ability on a 1 to 10 scale... 1 being novice and 10 being superstar.... Judging by your signature I would assume nearer the 10? Serious question.

[TonyM]

Ok Gents to clarify:

1.9 Speed controllers with reverse will be allowed, but penalties will be given for incorrect use (see rule 3.4)

The rules on the web site will be updated shortly.


On another note, TonyM, if you book in where would you put your ability on a 1 to 10 scale... 1 being novice and 10 being superstar.... Judging by your signature I would assume nearer the 10? Serious question.

Thanks for the clarification. I'm an F4 in buggies and just bought a DESC410R which is for my first foray into SCT, so I would guess around 5.

[mark christopher]

hmmm so you know it all yet............



Thanks for the clarification. I'm an F4 in buggies and just bought a DESC410R which is for my first foray into SCT, so I would guess around 5.


[QUOTE=TonyM;488711]
You are totally and utterly wrong. As previously mentioned, rule 1.9 1/10th off-road states that reverse must be disabled.

Anyone who has taken 1/10 seriously over the last few years will know that reverse is a definite no-no.


The no reversing rule has very fundamental reasons, it stops a marshal picking up a truck/buggy just as it's about to set off and potentially do damage to fingers etc. With the high torque that 550 motors can deliver I can see the potential is even greater in this class for serious damage.


A question, if reverse is allowed does this mean that the club running the event will lose their BRCA insurance coverage and leave themselves open to private litigation if someone is injured.


Quite a few newbies at one of the clubs are drive at start with SC's and then progress to buggies. They get a shock when they race that class to find that reversing is penalised. Why not start them on the right track to start with and ban reverse. Anyway' reversing is for the wussies.


and now your not doing it as you dont have reverse? wats up you want to be a wussie now??

Shame, that's me out. My SXX TC doesn't do reverse and not having it when others do will be too much of a disadvantage.

you have still failed to let myself and the 10th off road chairman know where you got your rule/knowledge from??

[mark christopher]

Ok Gents to clarify:

1.9 Speed controllers with reverse will be allowed, but penalties will be given for incorrect use (see rule 3.4)

The rules on the web site will be updated shortly.


.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[TonyM]

hmmm so you know it all yet............






[QUOTE=TonyM;488717]



You're right wussie to the core. You win - happy reversing.




and now your not doing it as you dont have reverse? wats up you want to be a wussie now??



you have still failed to let myself and the 10th off road chairman know where you got your rule/knowledge from??

[mark christopher]

You're right wussie to the core. You win - happy reversing


still no answer?
can you not work the quote button?

[TonyM]

still no answer?
can you not work the quote button?

Here we go again, you just love to get personal. Chill out, you've copied my answer above. Or hopefully that's where it is as I can't see all the message on my crappy phone. Have a good life mate.

[MALLET]

Can you lot just sit on your hands and stop egging each other on and take it as it is. Life is too short for me to read all this crap. :yawn:

[mark christopher]

Here we go again, you just love to get personal. Chill out, you've copied my answer above. Or hopefully that's where it is as I can't see all the message on my crappy phone. Have a good life mate.
ill let you off if ur mobile ;)

i was after an answer where the rule came from you were banging on about!:confused:

[mark christopher]

Can you lot just sit on your hands and stop egging each other on and take it as it is. Life is too short for me to read all this crap. :yawn:

i can still lick my touch screen Mr Mallet :woot:

[jimmy]

I've put my name in for 4WD at the first round - not looked at me calendar yet for the rest. :thumbsup: I'm wondering if I should try and do 2WD as well?

This is the all astroturf track at silverstone?

[mark christopher]

found my answer

[TonyM]

ill let you off if ur mobile ;)

i was after an answer where the rule came from you were banging on about!:confused:

Ah, so!! I've being trying to download the rules from BRCA, but for the life of me I can't find them. As I am abroad I will check on the written matter over the weekend. If you're right and it's not written anywhere, then I'll personally send you a bottle of Bollinger as an apology.

Whatever the case, I would still like to see you use reverse at either a Regional or National 1/10th off-road and see what reaction/penalty you would incur.

Meanwhile I did find the BRCA Micro rules:-
2.11. Cars must not reverse during competition.

[MALLET]

i can still lick my touch screen Mr Mallet :woot:

:woot: :woot: :woot: :thumbsup:

[colmo]

Gutted that the nearest bit of the UK holding a meeting is in Notts...:(

[MALLET]

Gutted that the nearest bit of the UK holding a meeting is in Notts...:(

Whats up with me track......:eh?:

He he he only kidding. Your welcome to come over and stay I can find you a good hotel with proper beer :thumbsup: :woot: :woot:

[colmo]

Whats up with me track......:eh?:

He he he only kidding. Your welcome to come over and stay I can find you a good hotel with proper beer :thumbsup: :woot: :woot:

Sadly, budgetary constraints (i.e. ain't got a pot to pish in) means the Oople is my one racing extravagance for the year...that reminds me, must get my E Fireblitz finished...

I attended BADMCC for the first time last Sunday, and it has a loose dirt surface - SCTs going round that would look so right!

[MALLET]

I attended BADMCC for the first time last Sunday, and it has a loose dirt surface - SCTs going round that would look so right!

Too rite, cannot wait until Coventry if they are using the dirt :thumbsup:

[mark christopher]

Ah, so!! I've being trying to download the rules from BRCA, but for the life of me I can't find them. As I am abroad I will check on the written matter over the weekend. If you're right and it's not written anywhere, then I'll personally send you a bottle of Bollinger as an apology.

Whatever the case, I would still like to see you use reverse at either a Regional or National 1/10th off-road and see what reaction/penalty you would incur.

Meanwhile I did find the BRCA Micro rules:-
2.11. Cars must not reverse during competition.

try emailing the 10th chairman on and off road. i also linked to the rules in this thread http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost.php?p=488719&postcount=57


micro is not 10th,,,,,, and its not a old class thats been around,

did at a regional in 2009 at blyth... no penalty cause a created no problem in doing so, as i have it set 25% power and dont just stick it in R and go

id not take your drink, tin of coke will do at a meeting!:thumbsup:

[TonyM]

try emailing the 10th chairman on and off road. i also linked to the rules in this thread http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost.php?p=488719&postcount=57


micro is not 10th,,,,,, and its not a old class thats been around,

did at a regional in 2009 at blyth... no penalty cause a created no problem in doing so, as i have it set 25% power and dont just stick it in R and go

id not take your drink, tin of coke will do at a meeting!:thumbsup:

Thanks Mark - at your suggestion I've emailed Paul.

[TonyM]

Thanks Mark - at your suggestion I've emailed Paul.

OK here is my very last post on the subject.

First:- a massive apology to Mark - you are absolutely correct, there is no ban on reverse for 1/10th off-road. When Frecklychimp mentioned 1.9 it seemed to fit number wise with a rule I had seen (which was in fact 2.11 Micro's) and I went along with the assumption. My mistake, I should have checked first. PM me your address and you will have that bottle of Bolly.

Second:- if reverse isn’t banned, how is it that I’ve never seen anyone use it at any serious points meeting at my club, regional, nationals, F345, Kampenhout etc. Either the drivers are all as unwise as I am to the rules, or they see the sense in not using reverse (many reasons given by others in this thread).

Third:- if reverse were to become common usage, you could bet for sure that LRP with their SXX, Nosram Pearl etc, would make a change pretty quickly to give the driver the option to turn on reverse.

Fourth:- is the reason why I was so interested in this debate. I can go along to local clubs in the week (Ribble-Valley, Denton) and have a good time thrashing my truck and buggies around the track. Rules are lax and there are often newbies who use reverse causing untold mayhem, you put up with it because we all have to learn. Because I don’t attend that often I don’t have the cumulative points and so usually end in the bottom heat. This happened a few weeks ago at Denton, one person put their buggy in reverse and shot onto the straight smack into my buggy going at full pelt – resulting in untold damage. I then managed to get into the A final – came second and not one driver used reverse. You can guess which race I got the most fun out of. So, seeing a National shootout for SCT gave me the impression that if I were to travel 140ish miles to the nearest venue I at least would be amongst drivers who would make the event FUN for me. If all I’m going to get is what I can have in the week locally then I won’t travel.

May I wish you all a very good series.

[mark christopher]

Tony
Thank you apology accepted I'm sorry if I came over personal at all.
Not many on here have the balls or grace to make a post as yours.

As I said you don't owe me anything.
The idea of having penalties for simply slapping your truck in reverse needs to be drilled into drivers at drivers briefing. I'm sure from my experience those using reverse in a high profile meeting won't be as your local club.
Please attend the meetings and give em a shot.

Mark

[Frecklychimp]

I had a chat on Tuesday with some fellow club members that have raced for many years...

They all said the same thing " i thought reverse was banned "

Guess its been an assumption for a long time, in the good old days of brushed motors, the top level speedos were all forward/brake and the brushed motors were heavily timed and diodes added, you wouldn't have been able to run reverse without sacrificing the forward and stopping bit heavily!

Just shows how much attention we spend on the finer rules... at least the SCT class has shown some loopholes to the masses!

Tony, there will be a large number of drivers not using reverse, i'm one of them... a bit disappointed with decision on rules but we don't know if its a big enough issue to argue about until racing starts, can soon be ammended if it is seen as too much of an advantage.

As long as the racing is fun and the refs are not being too harsh with any of us then it will be fine and a great championship... :thumbsup:

Just have to make sure we bury the trucks with reverse holding us up well deep into the hoses! (in a fair and sporting manner of course)

As Mark says, give it a go, lets make this SCT racing thing work :woot:

[Fast Eddie]

I have decided to just do 2wd so SCRT10 for sale in for sale section:thumbsup:

[Richard Lowe]

On a non-reverse related topic (!), with round 1 a couple of weeks away what time does everything kick off and can we camp on-site?

Is there going to be an entry list anywhere, I've booked in for all the 2wd rounds bar round 4 but not had a confirmation email yet?

[Teddy truman]

ok im in for all the ones that dont clash with 8th scale events :thumbsup:

[spyro]

Hi Everyone

Please be assured if you entered using the site we will have your entry.

The driver list for Round 1 (Silverstone) will be published shortly. :thumbsup:

Thanks

Chris

[1rcdad]

Thats me entered for 5 of the rounds.

[taz5311]

Hi All,
We are in the process of finalising raceday timings. Once they have been checked they will be published.
It is hoped that all rounds will be run to the same timings.

Stef

[spud31]

Omg all these pages about reverse lol.

Anyway whats the tyres rules,an whaqt have people found to work on 2wd on mixed surface carpet like moto arena at silverstone

[Frecklychimp]

For the first round its Silverstone buggy club on the Astroturf matey, not Mota Arena as first listed.

I would get a set of fastrax Koarse Kings spikes or Fastrax Bullseyes studs on your truck for Astroturf,

you will use them again at , EPR, NDOR and A1 Racing Club rounds... the other rounds at Adur, Coventry and Moto Arena you will need something suitable for dirt.
:thumbsup:

[learnerdriver]

Blitz kit tyres on front and attk10 on rear work well on astro and grass (ask graveltrap :thumbsup: )

[graveltrap]

Yeah yeah yeah....Living on past glories and all that Chris ;)

It was the grass that the ATTK10's where really good mind, but now we have Kourse Kings...

[Gies]

Youre right, nothing better for astro as kourse kings, cut away the outher row(s).

[learnerdriver]

Yeah yeah yeah....Living on past glories and all that Chris ;)

It was the grass that the ATTK10's where really good mind, but now we have Kourse Kings...

I have to savour my victories, they are few and far between these days :p

[Frecklychimp]

Fastrax Bullseyes studs work very well on astro with 4wd trucks, very cheap when they come glued on rims ready to go but they are softer and wear rate will be high,

so probably false economy over a set of Koarse Kings which would probably last you the whole series going on the set i abused or 6 months nearly!

Will be trying the Bullseyes on grass at our Regionals though, hopeully not as aggressive for 4WD grip rolling

[DomSmith]

Im new to this shortcourse thing and a bit confused about tyres. My stock blitz tyres grip roll my truck on both astro and carpet and it wheelies on tarmac. I have read that there are better tyres out there to use, but if mine rolls over around corners (when going fast) why do people look for an even grippier tyre? If it rolls and wheelies, does that mean maximum grip has been achieved?

[graveltrap]

I only use the spikes (grippy tyres) on the rear of my SC10, this promotes more rear grip and makes the truck push on a bit, reducing the possibility of grip roll.

If the truck is pulling wheelies then the slipper clutch is probably set to tight

[taz5311]

Hi Dom,
I run stock tyres on the front of my blitz and will be running Kourse Kings on the rear too for the first round.
You may need to change the position of your shocks too as it will help with grip.
I'm sure if you speak to a few of us running blitz's at silverstone we'll be able to help you with set-up and stuff to get you running better without grip rolling.

[DomSmith]

Thanks for the advice. Sunday should be loads of fun. What happens if it rains loads? Do people still race in the wet? I have only raced on an indoor circuit before.

[telboy]

Do we have details on start times etc. yet?

[Frecklychimp]

ditto?

would be nice to plan when i have to get out of bed!

Got asked same question by all our drivers attending sunday too,

Is track open or practice saturday? sure i asked that a week or so ago?

[carlos1969]

Hi Frecklychimp,

Were can we find the start times for Sundays Shortcourse Nationals race? I notice that you race at the A1 club, i am prepared to race at your club and have to come from Leicester,how many times do you race a month with the short course as we dont have a club in Leicester

Cheers carlos1969ditto?

would be nice to plan when i have to get out of bed!

Got asked same question by all our drivers attending sunday too,

Is track open or practice saturday? sure i asked that a week or so ago?

[Fast Eddie]

The venom gambler is ready to go, just need to tell it when:thumbsup:

[Frecklychimp]

Hi Carlos,

i have no idea on time schedule for Sunday's meeting either, hopefully an organiser will pick up on these questions and let us know asap.

have sent you a PM regarding A1 Racing Club information :thumbsup:

[Tezcat]

I'm waiting on the times for sunday as well. This could be the deciding factor of entering or not.

[jimmy]

I'm also quite keen to know some details of times and race format and numbers etc :bored:

[taz5311]

Hi All,
Sorry for delay I've been a little snowed under.
Yes there will be practice on the saturday from 08:30 hrs, however you will have to park your car at the club house and walk to the track, there won't be any timing gear set up.
The gate will open at 08:00hrs on the sunday, to allow people to arrive and set up. Parking will be in the field next to the sports pavillion.
Drivers briefing will be at 09:50 with First round of qualifying will be on the line at 10:00. There will be 4 x rounds qual and 3 round finals (best 2 to count) depending on numbers it is hoped to have a maximum of 10 trucks in any heat.
An entry list will be published on the website shortly.
Please keep an eye on the web-site too. I will try to answer any other questions asap.
Please feel free to PM if you have any burning issues.

[HarlowS]

Is the track open for free practice from 8am till briefing on the sunday ?? Or are you doing 1 practice in heat order etc. ?

[carlos1969]

Thanks for the details on A1 will be coming over for sure! perhaps you could bring membership forms or whatever i need to do to join your club on Sunday,we have times at last :woot:UOTE=Frecklychimp;492389]Hi Carlos,

i have no idea on time schedule for Sunday's meeting either, hopefully an organiser will pick up on these questions and let us know asap.

have sent you a PM regarding A1 Racing Club information :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]

[Frecklychimp]

You are welcome Carlos, will bring some forms, look out for trucks with A1 Wreckin Crew logos, ask for Mark and we will have a chat.

Found out today that there is no food available on site for the meeting, so make your own provisions guys, :thumbdown:

[taz5311]

Just a quick message to let you all know that there will be free practice on sunday from 08:15 till drivers brief at 09:50

[Fast Eddie]

You are welcome Carlos, will bring some forms, look out for trucks with A1 Wreckin Crew logos, ask for Mark and we will have a chat.

Found out today that there is no food available on site for the meeting, so make your own provisions guys, :thumbdown:

Thats a shame, probably fifty odd hungry blokes:woot:

Someone would make a few quid, glad you told us tho:thumbsup:

[spyro]

Evening all

The site is now updated with meeting details and drivers list.

More entries are coming in and the driver list will be continually updated.

www.ukshortcourse.com

Thanks

Chris

[Fast Eddie]

Hi,
I entered the day it got announced and dont appear on the list

Eddie Burton - 2wd Venom Gambler
Anthony Potter - 2wd SC10

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Why is Jonathan Wells in the 2WD list when it say's he is driving a Team Durango DESC410R??

The Durango is 4WD :confused:

Also when you asked for our ability rating on the entry form, are you going to be placing in heat's according to ability level provided? Or ignored and just randomly thrown in anywhere?

[spyro]

Why is Jonathan Wells in the 2WD list when it say's he is driving a Team Durango DESC410R??

The Durango is 4WD :confused:

Also when you asked for our ability rating on the entry form, are you going to be placing in heat's according to ability level provided? Or ignored and just randomly thrown in anywhere?

Because the web database had a momemt!! All fixed now. Jonathan is now in 4wd.

All sorted for you Eddie as well.

Heats will be sorted on ability. :thumbsup:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Because the web database had a momemt!! All fixed now. Jonathan is now in 4wd.

Heats will be sorted on ability. :thumbsup:

Great Work! :thumbsup:

Let's just hope people have been honest when giving there ability then eh?

[telboy]

Not as many as I thought there would be. :confused:

maybe the easter weekend has put some off?

[Frecklychimp]

I agree with easter weekend lowering numbers, we have a fair few SCT members that have to miss it as busy with family time and holidays over long weekend etc, shame really :(

In case there is no planned shop support as it is not advertised... i will have a selection of SCT spare parts, wheels and some tyres from my mates shop to sell, will be STRICTLY CASH ONLY at strictly marked prices, just doing it as a favour more to help any of the series drivers out if needed, if there is shop support planned then i'll be there as backup only... plus i'm there primarily for racing all day so won't be displaying or running a shop as such, not getting anything out of it so i don't expect any hassle if i can't help a driver.

please don't ask me for specific stuff beforehand, can't help as i don't know what stock he has and i'll bring what he gives me but i do know that the A1 Racing Club 'SCT Wreckin Crew' have been hammering the wheels and tyres stock levels this week.

I'm a bit miffed as i can't get hold of any wheels for my new Losi 4x4 SCTE and non of the others available fit without major offset or clearance issues... so kit tyres it is! :(

On the otherhand... got a spare Hong Nor truck dialled ready to race :thumbsup:

Getting quite excited for sunday now, lets make it a good meeting and bring it on!

[telboy]

if the tyres on the 4wd losi are the same as the ones on the 2wd then I think they will be ok. probably not as much overall grip as course kings, but will probably provide a better ballance. Personally I'd rather have a well ballance car that was nice to drive, rather than having to fight one that has got too much grip and wants tip over all the time.


On a more serious note (for us), the pull start on our generator has broken. Will we be able to bump some power off someones genny? We will provide fuel as there are 2 of us.?:cry:

[hayalsop]

I may have to come and have a nosey at this meeting this weekend. I'm in the area with work and I'm intrigued as to the performance level of the driving. :)

May have to sell my 8th elec to buy an SC....anybody want one? Xray? :p

[DomSmith]

Is everyone prepared? Stripped and rebuilt my shocks and set my slipper clutch this morning. Anybody going for a quick practice tomorrow? Not long to wait now! :)

[telboy]

I'm prepared!
Not touched the truck since the last meeting with it in march!! :woot:

Thats my usual race prep.

Just gonna drive down on sunday morning. Too far to go for a practice.

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

I'm prepared!
Not touched the truck since the last meeting with it in march!! :woot:

Thats my usual race prep.

Just gonna drive down on sunday morning. Too far to go for a practice.

And I haven't got a choice in the matter, seeing as though your driving lol

Hey, I've never even ran the SC I will be running on Sunday :woot:

[Frecklychimp]

Sort of getting nearer to being ready... got some paint on it today, but still need to chuck in a servo, PT and reciever, put some power through new speedo and set it up then tomorrow give it a blast on my track to run in diffs etc whilst doing our track build... i wouldn't make a good boy scout!

would have been keen to practice tomorrow, but due to late announcement on availablity of practice on Sat has led to other plans already being made and no camping means not wasting fuel and driving hours for a few hours set up time.

Here is a quick piccie of todays work and give you all target, thought it best to picture this one as it will get hammered in next 2 weekends of race use!

http://i1196.photobucket.com/albums/aa407/frecklychimp/050.jpg

[DomSmith]

Wow, nice truck. I might go for a quick practice as its my local track, going to take it easy though as I don't have many spares. Straight in there with a newly painted shell - I like it! :)

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

I may put the electrics in mine today ready for tomorrow ... If I can be bothered! :woot:

[DomSmith]

Short Coursers are either really laid back about their racing or just so good they don't need to prepare days in advance. Just turn up on the day and do the business. Not long to go now! :woot:

[graveltrap]

Laid back me thinks...

Did my best to break my truck yesterday, but it survived intact :) Probably should change the shock oil tonight, but as I have no idea what the track is like for tomorrow...

Should be a cracking day :thumbsup:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

I'm no Shortcourse racer lol Infact...I've never raced a Shortcourse before :woot:

I race 1/10th Off Road, and just thought it would be cool to give SC a fair trial...

It's just nice for us to have a race meeting that's not so strict etc...

It was the Off Road Nationals last weekend so this weekend is going to be nice and relaxed :thumbsup: I will sort my elecs out tonight, ready for tomorrow, and I will be sorting shock oils etc in the morning once I get there, dependant on track conditions, weather and layout :)

Only raced at Silverstone once before, at the end of season finals last year, was very, VERY bumpy! and a couple of variances in grip through the lap. Can't imagine it being that noticable with SC though to be fair :woot: lol

We'll see!!...

[Fast Eddie]

Hi Shaun

I have put 35wt oil in the gambler but it still feels a little soft

Should I go heavier do you think?:thumbsup:

[telboy]

If it feels soft, then possibly go up on the oil.
Best thing to do is to see how it feels on track then work from there.

I still have 1000cst in my durango shocks from ardent but I'm gonna leave it in and see if it feel ok tomoz before changing anything. lol

[Fast Eddie]

Possible daft question, is there any power tomorrow or is it all 12v?:woot:

[spyro]

Hi Eddie

As far as I know there is no mains, 12v only.

Anybody been down for practice today? Any comments on the track?

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Eddie, Have you not got a generator?

Of course, I'm assuming we are OK to run generators tomorrow?:D

As Telboy said, don't worry about oils until you are trackside tomorrow, You can never guess on oils as track conditions, track layout, air temp, track temp etc... are all a mystery till you get there lol

I would wait till after practice mate then take it from there, If you want any advice/help, just come and find us :thumbsup:

[Fast Eddie]

no genny but got ample 12v battery which me and Ant will be using

was more to run the portable fridge for beer purposes:woot:

should be a laugh, from the pics it appears you can park next to the track which would be better for viewing etc

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

no genny but got ample 12v battery which me and Ant will be using

was more to run the portable fridge for beer purposes:woot:

should be a laugh, from the pics it appears you can park next to the track which would be better for viewing etc

If it's the same as the End Of Season finals mate, you can't park next to the track...

You can set up your gazebo and table etc right next to the track, but if I remember correctly, you have to park your car in the field opposite...

[hayalsop]

from the pics it appears you can park next to the track which would be better for viewing etc

Pics?

[taz5311]

Hi All,
Just wanted to say a big thanks to all those that did turn up for practice today.
There has been a change to the parking, I do apologise for the changing situation, however these are due to circumstances out of our control. although there will be a marshall to advise as you arrive. but we can now pit and park next to the track, so this will help with spectating and less time needed between heats.

The track was hot and had high grip today, but most people found a tyre to suite.

Due to there not being a great deal of shade at the track I advise everyone to take some kind of cover for yourselves. There will be a limited supply of cold drinks tomorrow.

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

To be fair, looking on the entry list on the website, we are going to need the gap between heats made longer to ensure people are charged lol

Even a gap between rounds looks possible at the minute, as on the website it has 20 - ish names that have booked in lol

[Frecklychimp]

I'm glad we can park next to track, my car is fully loaded and will take me a fair few trips to carry it all to the track!

Got a fair amount of spares by the looks of it, deinitely no Durango stuff as none of us run them yet, a good selection of SC10 and Blitz stuff.. but haven't been through it so wait till tomorrow, look for the A1 Racing Club Banner and you will find me, but if i'm busy with racing then please be patient, as said am doing this to help anyone that i can but its a last minute favour.

On the otherhand... gave the Losi 4WD SCT a blast today, seems quite good on its base set up, very balanced and certainly flys well compared to other 4wd SCT's i've driven so hopefully we will be able to get airtime!

standard tyres work well on our sun baked Astroturf so fingers crossed for similar tomorrow.

can't wait now, lets get the SCT race season started and make a good fun championship popular :thumbsup:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Starting to look forward to it now!:thumbsup:

I really should go and put some electrics in it though! lol :eh?:

[learnerdriver]

Did you miss the section in meeting details that said drivers briefing 9.50 am ? :yawn:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Did you miss the section in meeting details that said drivers briefing 9.50 am ? :yawn:

Erm... I Was testing you all, see! :blush:

Now stop picking on me!! lol

[jimmy]

Great days racing!
Really enjoyed the battles in the finals. I was working on my car all day so didn't get loads of photos but I will put some online asap.

[graveltrap]

Really enjoyed the day, the trucks and the track :thumbsup:

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

A Couple of SC's Turned Up! :woot:

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff459/shaun23286/DSC00096.jpg

http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff459/shaun23286/DSC00097.jpg

[1rcdad]

Yes,great days racing,many thanks to all involved,

[Fast Eddie]

The only thing missing from that picture is the Venom Gambler:woot:

Mostly because it spent the day in bits BUT.. It is now fixed!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup:

No steering lock yet but Rome wasn't built in a day etc:)

[Frecklychimp]

Had a great relaxed day, nice to put some faces to names :thumbsup:

Thanks to all involved in organising, lets hope the rest of the series continues to grow with interest.

Track was good, found it a challenge to get used to but think it suited the trucks with flowing, didn't notice any parachuting all day, plus the contact element was a lot lower than anticipated and didn't see much reversing at all!

Bring on the next round :woot:

[telboy]

A good days racing and it was a little more relaxed than usual.

Being the first round it does need a few little niggles ironing out.

BUT can I ask all racers for the next (and future rounds) to wear appropriate footwear?
Yes it was bloody hot, but at the end of the day you have 2.5-3kgs of truck heading for your feet. And to see the marshal that stood on my durango in the final (breaking the servo) was only wearing FLIP FLOPS!! :o was quite bemusing!

One, your feet are at risk of being damaged.

Two, you can't move quick enough in flip flops to marshal correctly (hence the reason why the marshal at the end of the straight stood on my car). :thumbdown:

...and three, BRCA state that suitable footwear is worn before anyone is allowed onto the track. And before anyone goes off on one about the SC nats not being BRCA affiliated, it is there as a health and safety issue and I think should be followed in the SC series considering the weight and speed of these cars.

Personally I would never consider wearing flip flops to a large (or any) meeting, and to see one or two people wearing them whilst marshalling heavy trucks was quite rediculous.
You'll be the first people to moan when a truck hits your foot, and no doubt you'll blame the driver for driving too fast!

Use your brains guys.

Rant over.:)

[taz5311]

Telboy,
Fully understand your position and it will be added to the rules for this series both for the protection of the marshall's and the trucks.
I do hope that the damage to your truck did not spoil your event.

Stef

[Fast Eddie]

I agree with the safety aspect and Im sure it would hurt like hell but I was stood just over the barrier when the car got stood on and it was a simple mistake that could happen whatever shoes you wear, bloody lucky they werent pit boots or it would have been more than the servo:woot:

Great day in general:thumbsup:

[telboy]

Yeah, appreciate the fact of it being a mistake. But on a safety side it needs to be brought in. And reactions may be quicker and more accurate without flip flops. :) Simple matter of grip. :woot:

Didn't ruin the event for me too much, just had to run a 2wd for the final :D

[Fast Eddie]

I wish grip were my only issue today, it was almost soul destroying

many thanks to the chaps who sourced me some gears and to Ant who fitted it and got me out for the next run which turned out to be the only one I completed.

To my dismay the transponder didnt pick me up but obviously it was A final stuff...........:lol:

[carlos1969]

Perhaps if you slowed down to a corner when there was a pile up of two cars there wouldnt be these incidents,as fast eddie said lucky for you i hadnt got my work boots on! instead of moaning to a computer you could have had a chat with me in person,it was an accident,next time i will were my steelies!!!:thumbdown:A good days racing and it was a little more relaxed than usual.

Being the first round it does need a few little niggles ironing out.

BUT can I ask all racers for the next (and future rounds) to wear appropriate footwear?
Yes it was bloody hot, but at the end of the day you have 2.5-3kgs of truck heading for your feet. And to see the marshal that stood on my durango in the final (breaking the servo) was only wearing FLIP FLOPS!! :o was quite bemusing!

One, your feet are at risk of being damaged.

Two, you can't move quick enough in flip flops to marshal correctly (hence the reason why the marshal at the end of the straight stood on my car). :thumbdown:

...and three, BRCA state that suitable footwear is worn before anyone is allowed onto the track. And before anyone goes off on one about the SC nats not being BRCA affiliated, it is there as a health and safety issue and I think should be followed in the SC series considering the weight and speed of these cars.

Personally I would never consider wearing flip flops to a large (or any) meeting, and to see one or two people wearing them whilst marshalling heavy trucks was quite rediculous.
You'll be the first people to moan when a truck hits your foot, and no doubt you'll blame the driver for driving too fast!

Use your brains guys.

Rant over.:)

[Richard Lowe]

Around 5 hours sleep, 5:30am start, ~300 mile round trip, spent the whole day buzzing on Monster Ripper, awesome :thumbsup:

Well done to everyone that helped run the event today, it went very well for a first effort :) It's great to see a new class like SC's getting a proper race series going and lots of people smiling :D

Congrats to Jimmy for the 4wd win! I had a really good day too, the SC10FT was dialled :thumbsup:


next time i will were my steelies!!!:thumbdown:Great attitude :(

[Shaun 'TheSheep' Atkinson]

Perhaps if you slowed down to a corner when there was a pile up of two cars there wouldnt be these incidents,as fast eddie said lucky for you i hadnt got my work boots on! instead of moaning to a computer you could have had a chat with me in person,it was an accident,next time i will were my steelies!!!:thumbdown:

It's that sort of attitude that put's new racer's off!! :mad:

You ever thought that we did try and find you but nobody seemed to know who you were! 'Surprise Surprise'.

In Telboy's deffense, I was watching the race and he quite easily AVOIDED the car's that had tangled up (He went around the outside) It was YOU who stepped back and accidentally standing on the car!!

Why didn't you come and find Telboy and appologise? Maybe ask if you had broken anything? It's not all one sided you know! :eh?:

Anyway, before we get into a full blown p***ing contest, what's done is done. Let's just take note of these things for next round guy's and make it better and better. Common sense is all that is needed....If it's hot, by all means wear your flip flips...But take a nice spare pair for your car dodging duties. :thumbsup:

Maybe, being the gentleman we all are and appreciate how expensive this sport is, You could ask if you can help towards cost of the repair of the servo (It's not expensive really) but it's the gesture that counts :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

Anyway c'mon guys lets not distract from the fun day:thumbsup: