BRCA offroad national calendar

[KevLee]

Kidderminster 19/20 April
Oswestry 10/11 May
Talywain 31May/1 June
Eden Park 28/29 June
Southport 26/27 July
Stotfold 23/24 August

BRC Eastrax 30/31 August
F3/F4/F5 Coventry 13/14 September

[_JP_]

Kev Have the dates been confirmed, I thought PW said that Kiddy could change, and you have the wrong date for Kiddy there :)

[Gaz_Stanton]

think you have the wrong date for Kiddy there Kev

[KevLee]

Kev Have the dates been confirmed, I thought PW said that Kiddy could change, and you have the wrong date for Kiddy there :)

I took this from the BRCA website www.brca.org (http://www.brca.org) so it must all be confirmed

I've corrected the Kidderminster date:)

[redaV]

I cant believe CML raceway didnt get a national, possibly the best venue the uk has and it gets knocked back. HOW GAY:mad:

[JCJC]

Same feelings here, how did that happen ? :mad:

[ben]

just had a look on the brca website and it shows the controlled tyres as been schumacher minispikes and ballistic buggy spikes for all of the venues. It is in the calender in the 1/10 off road section. :)

lil ben

[ryan]

Not best pleased that CML raceway didnt get one, i think that is stupid IMO.:mad:

[ashleyb4]

ace!!!!!

A

[Chrislong]

After having some dread over the mileage I may cover in 2008, I am somewhat relieved in seeing these dates. Geographically we have a nice fair spread.

Shame about CML raceway, I was expecting a trip to Lee's track. I just hope he keeps on applying and perhaps in 2009 it'll be included.

Chris

[PaulRotheram]

I thought CML would of gotten at the LEAST an EOS.. shame is that!!

I'm happy, theres a good few still up north! and i'm glad to see kiddy is back on the calander, I wonder if the chav warriors will be in action this time?!

[ben]

Whats ACE ash???

ace that cml didnt get a national or about the tyres?

lil ben

[redaV]

Same feelings here, how did that happen ? :mad:

Rumour has it that it between pidge and the BRCA and has nothing to do with the CML raceway, so the BRCA punished the whole uk offroad scene because of a disagreement with pidge. Ill say it again HOW GAY:rolleyes:

[Danny McGee]

What tyres?

Good news oswestry's in may. I have exams that week and will be able to miss it. Wooo Hoooo, really happy about the others, i think it could be a good year :)

[KevLee]

What tyres?

Good news oswestry's in may. I have exams that week and will be able to miss it. Wooo Hoooo, really happy about the others, i think it could be a good year :)

Schumacher mini spikes and Ballistic Buggy spikes (not the new ones)

[Chrislong]

Better still Danny, Eden park in June mate, you'll be back in Essex by then won't you?

Chris

[_JP_]

I took this from the BRCA website www.brca.org (http://www.brca.org) so it must all be confirmed

I've corrected the Kidderminster date:)


:) Matches the list I got the Tuesday now, but I was sure PW said one could change, maybe I missheard! *shrugs*

[Northy]

Strange how the BRCA committee members haven't been told that everything is confirmed yet :mad::mad::mad:

G

[David Church]

I think the calendar looks great!!!:D Look forward to having you lot at my home track!! How sweet!!!! And there is a bar on site at Eden Park, mwhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Shame about CML, I could have had 3 within 120 miles:(

[PaulRotheram]

oooh DC, i'm coming for you this year man. I was going to throw down a challenge for the Eden park bar too.. but then realised who i'm talking to.. mahaha

[GRIFF55]

I have to agree with some of the above posts. CML raceway is one of the better tracks that i have raced on since re-starting racing this year and from my experiences before. It's a big shame that it has not got a national or eos final:(. Alot who'd been there were worried about parking/pitting, but the fields around are massive.
Still i can't wait to do the series, just hope the weather is a bit better this season:p

[Danny McGee]

Yep, i should be back down south then. So will give me month or so to practise. I'll hav to have a word with Mr Benfield etc and see if im allowed down mid week :D

[emzy]

Does anyone know when the entry forms will be available?

[Slimboyfat]

all in all not a bad calender...would have liked to have be able to race at Lee's place at a national but not to be.

[losixxx]

Rumour has it that it between pidge and the BRCA and has nothing to do with the CML raceway, so the BRCA punished the whole uk offroad scene because of a disagreement with pidge. Ill say it again HOW GAY:rolleyes:

hardly mature to slag off the BRCA committee who work tirelessly all through the year to make racing possible when you clearly havent got a clue about why or what made them choose not to hold a meeting there...
it is a shame but there still 8 very good tracks to race on

[RSharpy]

Am surprised Coventry didn't get one after being voted club of the year and running a good meet at the F3's, am still a F5 so won't be doing them this year anyway and won't mind returning to Cov.

To Mr Griff55, will keep a eye on how you do Andy at the Nat's and that will give me a idea how I would of got on! lol! (some good close races at the EOS last year):)

[GRIFF55]

I wouldn't keep an eye on me, should be lots better racing than that:p.
see you next season, good luck at all!! Get your entries in for the nats as well, you should make reserve place?

[RSharpy]

Will get them in early and keep my fingers crossed, if I can get in for a couple will be happy at that, see you next season!

[Wraggy]

totally gutted CML never got anything this year !!! not even an end of year ???.
good to see a couple of new names on there and also southport !!!
lol lets get the chinese booked already :D

[PaulRotheram]

The boat will be ours :):D

[Chrislong]

Paul, will you be responible for the weather like in 2007?

[PaulRotheram]

better had be, roll on more sun!

[ashleyb4]

i said ace as i like the calender. We try our best danny here at Oz. this year i hope to be able to put some more input into the track.

A

[RogerM]

I have the same question as Emz did ... when are the forms out??

[ben]

I thought oswestry was an alright track last year. Spose i did get my highest national result their. In the rain aswell. But wot was even better was i had cleaned my car off ready for my final and when i had got it scruiteneered they said that, from my final onwards they werent going to be running anymore. YAY.

[ben]

Didnt the forms come out about december last year?

[ashleyb4]

Just looking at the inddor finals on the brca website it says no control tyre??? Is this a new rule because last yea im sure you had to use pins or spikes schuamcher of course?????

A

[ashleyb4]

And ben i dont think they did as they only comfirm the dates about a week or so before chrsitmas so they have to print the dates on the entry form o otehrwise people dont know what event there entering.

A

[ben]

Ok then ash you must know more then me then

[losixxx]

entry form was available last december, its on the BRCA site!

[Lee]

Ben is right, i was home for xmas last year and sent in my entry during that period

[ben]

Thought it was then.

[Chrislong]

i hope to be able to put some more input into the track.

A

Ash,
Write this on your hand, tattoo it if you have to:
2006 track = bad
2007 track = good

2006 weather = very good
2007 weather = bad

good = we want
bad = don't want.


LOL.

:D So with a 2007 track and 2006 weather, Oz will be great.

[MattADH]

Hey Chris

Great post - we should have more like that!

[Northy]

Even though 2007 was a better track than 2006 it was still a bit to big and easy really. A smaller more technical track would be better IMHO. And don't even try to put the thin blue pipes on the corners........ :mad:

G

[ben]

MORE JUMPS would be ACE. Yeh agree with northy smaller track but with loads more jumps and it would be perfecto.

[Lee Martin]

can anyone explain to me the theories as to why Kiddy and southport got nationals after having put in late?

to be fair im not to impressed with the national series for next year...just seems abit same old, or a bit dissapointing.......

CML didnt get one, fair enough, ive heard many reasons as to why and all to me seem stupid. and to be fair i most likely won't be putting in for another national. 2 years, 2 knock backs, i built this track to be one of the best and with it help and inspire people back into off road! having nice jumps, sections and ever improving. at the moment im struglgling to improve it due to the lack of interest. drivers only seem to care about visiting national tracks, so our investment seems pointless.

the next best new track i saw on the optiond was easttrax, how come that didnt get one???

EPO we all kno is great so thats cool and the guys put in alot of work, so well done...

thanks for alot of people saying its gutting not to come to CML....its inspiring, hopefully see you all soon at some point.

Lee

[Teddy truman]

has anyone explained to us how kiddy and southport got nationals? does anyone know?:confused:

[Southwell]

Great, another year ripping schumachers up!

[Adam Skelding]

I'm with you on this one Lee.
Having been down to your track it is one of the best at the moment in the country...

Oswestry: IMHO hasn't really done well with either of it's 2 tracks. The N.E. Regionals has better tracks than this.... Flat grass with wooden ramps. Very uninspiring... Why o Why:confused:

EPO: Looking forward to this one. I have good memories of this being a cool track to race on...

Stotfold: A blinding first national by the club. Ace to race on. More bumps lumps and curves than a supermodel convention... Proper Off Road.

Talywain: Never heard of it. Pics would be nice.... Please not a flat grass track:eh?:

Kiddy: Been there too often. Often ruled by the weather

Southport: Erm. Racing by the seaside. Nuff Said!

Tyres: Schumacher fest again! Hopefully they have their mold sorted so we don't throw half a new set away!
Why did no club go for GRP's. Better wear! Better Priced and you get a new pair in each bag!!!!!

[Chrislong]

Tyres: Schumacher fest again! Hopefully they have their mold sorted so we don't throw half a new set away!
Why did no club go for GRP's. Better wear! Better Priced and you get a new pair in each bag!!!!!

I wish Schumacher would take note of 2 things: We do not want pre-scrubbed spikes & we want a matching pair in each bag...

[Nick Goodall]

Probably best to keep quiet i suppose....

[modelimages]

Tyres: Schumacher fest again! Hopefully they have their mold sorted so we don't throw half a new set away!
Why did no club go for GRP's. Better wear! Better Priced and you get a new pair in each bag!!!!!

because there is only one compound, no wet option. if a club specs grp and ballistic you have 1 dry option and 2 wet, if you spec grp and schumacher you have 2 dry and 1 wet.

had grp come out with a green/wet tyre to go with the yellow then it may well have been a different story.

dan has blown the last 4 sets of schumacher yellows in the same place, at the juniors he had to run the the last leg on an old pair of tyres which we found at the bottom of the pit box just to get a chance of winning so i am slightly anti the current schumacher offerings

[markwilliamson2001]

Spot on Nick and Pidge,

I am not a fan of kiddy, really wears out tyres far too fast for my liking, one set of schumey mini's (yellows) lasted only 2 1/2 runs in 4wd...

I thought that after having 2 Nationals at Oswestry, it would have been someone else's turn. Nothing against talywain, but I don't think that they will have a massive turnout because of their location, cml is also more central.

Never been to southport, but looks a good track to me...

Well done on Eden Park getting a national, some hard work put in there.

My two cents
M

[Southwell]

Probably best to keep quiet i suppose....

I agreed with you mate.

[Danny McGee]

This is my two cents.

"Oswestry: IMHO hasn't really done well with either of it's 2 tracks. The Flat grass with wooden ramps. Very uninspiring... Why o Why"

Like Adam said any pics of this Talywain place?

I hope its dry at kiddy as BB spkies around there on 2wd are not fun at all. And the wear rates not that much better either.

Glad to see southport, eden park and stotfold on there as mentioned before.

[ben]

Is this not it? http://www.talywainrcracers.com/homepage.html

[ben]

All looks like an 1/8 club to me?

[RogerM]

All I hope is I get in!!!!! After 3 years away running 1/8th I am an F5 again ... fingers crossed ...... all of them ....... have to type the rest with my toes so pardon any spelling errors .. lol

To be honet I'd have like to run on the CML track from all I've heard.

[Lee Martin]

talawan is flat grass.

Lee

[RogerM]

Outdoor dirt track .... could be interesting .... could be muddy ... have to wait and see!

[Danny McGee]

another flat grass track. Why dont we just go back to Holbeach........................

[Adam Skelding]

because there is only one compound, no wet option. if a club specs grp and ballistic you have 1 dry option and 2 wet, if you spec grp and schumacher you have 2 dry and 1 wet.

had grp come out with a green/wet tyre to go with the yellow then it may well have been a different story.

dan has blown the last 4 sets of schumacher yellows in the same place, at the juniors he had to run the the last leg on an old pair of tyres which we found at the bottom of the pit box just to get a chance of winning so i am slightly anti the current schumacher offerings

The GRP tyres work in all conditions.... Hence why the compound that was used, was used, if you catch my drift. I've run them in the wet, dry and inbetween. On both 2 and 4wd.... The tyre works aswell as, if not better than the rest.

[ben]

Adam do the grp's struggle for drive when it is wet because of the length of the spike compared to ballistics?

[Adam Skelding]

Nope...
I tq'd a round in the wet at a regional with them on.....
Just changed insert.

[PTRU]

How is this going to work the BRCA 2007 / 2008 have broken the rules.
What penalty will they receive???


How do the 1/10th BRCA committe expect members to abide by the rules???

I feel sorry for two clubs who have invested a lot of money in to 1/10th off road tracks and have not been taken at face value.

Very disappointed BRCA Member.

[ashleyb4]

another flat grass track. Why dont we just go back to Holbeach........................

Or silverstone.....

Im disapointed i wish we could have CML instead of tailwain place.The only way im really going to come and race at cml is if there is a national there as its a long way just for a one day event.

A

[spenner]

Adam,

I know one track actually had Shum/GRP as the nominated tyres but was asked to stick with the rest!!

Not mentioning any names.....

I gotta say i had my groans last year after some of the Nationals.... but reading this at the moment, are we gonna put people off entering the biggest and best National series in the world??????

I do feel for some of the clubs who have put in plenty of time and effort only to get nothing!!!!
Then there is tracks who have entered for first time and have been given a National.
Coventry i felt put on a great job at the F3's and i can only guess they asked for it again... if not i would be pretty p$ssed.

I must say that if i was in the situation some of the clubs that missed out were in, i would think 'what is the point'

Anyway, i think there is some more news on the way that will take people over boiling point!!!!!!!

[ashleyb4]

Ash,
Write this on your hand, tattoo it if you have to:
2006 track = bad
2007 track = good

2006 weather = very good
2007 weather = bad

good = we want
bad = don't want.


LOL.

:D So with a 2007 track and 2006 weather, Oz will be great.

How do you guys think we could improve are track what are you guys looking for, this is something i dont get it knowone seems to ask the racers what they want of a track like ours. Personally i dont want people going away saying that was a good track i want them saying it was an ace track.

The whole point of the weekend is track. If the track is crap the weekend is crap.

A

[Southwell]

My main problem with the track is its just flat grass with a couple of jumps. It's kinda like touring car racing on grass.

[Mike Hudson]

never been but from what people are saying more jumps and bumps needed with some interesting corners :p

[CharlieF]

Given the number of questions on here relating to why the National Venues listed were chosen I thought it best to try to explain the selection process.
The process is democratic and those voting consist of the 10 Regional Reps, Drivers Rep, Secretary, Referee, Treasurer and the Timekeeper (15 in total). On the night of the meeting this year, four regional reps and the timekeeper did not attend, so a total of 10 voters were present (the section Chairman does not vote unless there is a tied vote which he would resolve).
The selection process began with a presentation on behalf of each club applying (normally by the appropriate Regional Rep) to ensure the committee have full details of all aspects of the venue such as track surface, track features, location, onsite catering, pitting area, toilets, accessability, hotels and restuarants etc.
Following presentations the End of Season Final venues were voted on as follows:
BRC/Juniors/Veterans (total 10 Votes) Eastrax 4, Talywain 3 and Holbeach 3. Eastrax selected.
F345 Finals (total 10 votes) Coventry 5, Talywain 3 Oswestry 2. Coventry selected.
National Series (total sixty votes) Holbeach 5, Kidderminster 10,Oswestry 8, Stotfold 10, Southport 10, Talywain 7, Eden Park 8, CML Raceway 1, Clanfield 1. Kidderminster, Oswestry, Stotfold, Southport, Talywain and Eden Park selected.
It is difficult to please everyone all the time and as shown above there are bound to be disapointments, however I am sure you will all agree that the selection process was fair and above board (by the way the vote counting takes place in front of the whole committee to gaurd against accusations of manipulation).
In closing I can comfirm that there were no late National applications, Kidderminster awaited buildings work costings so was not mentioned at the AGM (in case it had to withdraw on cost grounds) and the Southport application arrived while the Committee attended the AGM (not late but not mentioned either).
I hope this goes some way to explaining how results come about and gives some assurances that the BRCA Committee are trying to to do the best possible job for all drivers taking part in the National Series and EOS Finals.
Regards
Charlie Fraser
Sec. BRCA 1/10th Off-Road Section.

[Lee Martin]

ozwastree, needs flowing jupms...up and doen ramps made with curves....tight sections of track with jumps to and frm a corner....rythem sections....

jump sections

better use of space.

etc etc etc

[Lee Martin]

hold on.................................

surely thts a late entry...you cant 'wait' for building works...u put in or u dnt....if u have to wait,...your out....like saying give me the lethal injection..then as its going in wait wait......doesnt seem right?

and why do the regional reps get to choose events and on what process?

[Wraggy]

CML 1 vote !!!!!! Charlie can i ask please , has any of the 10 members who voted actually seen the CML track for themselves ?????
i will bet all 10 have not been there .

[CharlieF]

Nope!
Kidderminster national application dated 20th October - buildings work costing came well after AGM.
Regional Reps represent their Regions on the Section Committee - they are an integral part of the Section and provide knowledge of a particular part of the country - well placed to express a view I would have thought. I explained the process in my last post.

[Lee Martin]

i thought it was there job to ask the regional drivers which tracks out of the selected they would ideally like to have a national?

2 reasons...if so; then how could they pick kiddy or southport due to them not being allocated.

2; if the regional reps are just deciding which tracks, how many of them actually race? she the advantages of each track? and the appeal from a racers point of view?

[ashleyb4]

I feel a euro's style tripple coming on hehe :D

A
ozwastree, needs flowing jupms...up and doen ramps made with curves....tight sections of track with jumps to and frm a corner....rythem sections....

jump sections

better use of space.

etc etc etc

[Chrislong]

How do you guys think we could improve are track what are you guys looking for, this is something i dont get it knowone seems to ask the racers what they want of a track like ours. Personally i dont want people going away saying that was a good track i want them saying it was an ace track.

The whole point of the weekend is track. If the track is crap the weekend is crap.

A

None of the thin blue pipe on corners, not even under astro, it takes the skill out of cornering and makes it a lottery.

Fast chicanes, jumps in the right places (and not just a wedge type one, put a curve between the ramp and track, laps not too long so you can't remember what corner is coming next, not too wide, not too narrow. Don't make all corners 90deg or 180deg (thats for the 2D racers), have some curve variance, sweeping, and tightening bends.

But its all well and good asking us on here for suggestions, but the truth is how can you include all the suggestions in 1 track? you can't. Its best just to start from scratch and don't have loads building the layout all taking care of their own 20ft x 20ft square - start from the start and lay the track one corner at a time... then when the lap is complete, stand back and look at it, even have someone drive it (someone not in the national ofcause) and then adjust the layout (& it will need adjustment, its never great first time)

[CharlieF]

Paul.
Not all 10 voters have been to CML (possibly only 3 or 4) but that is why we have presentations of facilities by people who have been to tracks so that the Committee can be as well informed as possible before voting.

[Adam Skelding]

Given the number of questions on here relating to why the National Venues listed were chosen I thought it best to try to explain the selection process.
The process is democratic and those voting consist of the 10 Regional Reps, Drivers Rep, Secretary, Referee, Treasurer and the Timekeeper (15 in total). On the night of the meeting this year, four regional reps and the timekeeper did not attend, so a total of 10 voters were present (the section Chairman does not vote unless there is a tied vote which he would resolve).
The selection process began with a presentation on behalf of each club applying (normally by the appropriate Regional Rep) to ensure the committee have full details of all aspects of the venue such as track surface, track features, location, onsite catering, pitting area, toilets, accessability, hotels and restuarants etc.
Following presentations the End of Season Final venues were voted on as follows:
BRC/Juniors/Veterans (total 10 Votes) Eastrax 4, Talywain 3 and Holbeach 3. Eastrax selected.
F345 Finals (total 10 votes) Coventry 5, Talywain 3 Oswestry 2. Coventry selected.
National Series (total sixty votes) Holbeach 5, Kidderminster 10,Oswestry 8, Stotfold 10, Southport 10, Talywain 7, Eden Park 8, CML Raceway 1, Clanfield 1. Kidderminster, Oswestry, Stotfold, Southport, Talywain and Eden Park selected.
It is difficult to please everyone all the time and as shown above there are bound to be disapointments, however I am sure you will all agree that the selection process was fair and above board (by the way the vote counting takes place in front of the whole committee to gaurd against accusations of manipulation).
In closing I can comfirm that there were no late National applications, Kidderminster awaited buildings work costings so was not mentioned at the AGM (in case it had to withdraw on cost grounds) and the Southport application arrived while the Committee attended the AGM (not late but not mentioned either).
I hope this goes some way to explaining how results come about and gives some assurances that the BRCA Committee are trying to to do the best possible job for all drivers taking part in the National Series and EOS Finals.
Regards
Charlie Fraser
Sec. BRCA 1/10th Off-Road Section.

Thanks for the insight into how this comes about Charlie and for being honest and straight to the point about it.

Not mentioning applications at the AGM seems a little odd. Surely if clubs want a National then they should abide by the same rules as the other clubs and not be on an 'if or maybe' option. I know of a couple of clubs that would have put in for nationals on this basis if it was widely known that this option was available.

Maybe it's time for a change and let the drivers decide where they want to race.
Let the BRCA accept applications for nationals by a certain date. NO exceptions.
Scrutinise for suitability of Venue.
BRCA put forward a list of suitable venues.
Then at the end of the year, the drivers who completed 3 or more rounds of the previous years national championship vote on the tracks for next years meetings. All data to be transparent and visible....

:confused:

[Lee Martin]

spot on Skelds.....

[Teddy truman]

why did we never used to have these problems???????:confused:

[Lee Martin]

never enough tracks prob!

[CharlieF]

Lee
Fair points, some Regional reps do more that others and the point you make concerning seeking drivers views was recognised at the meeting.
I do rather feel that in the perfect world the Section Committee should be made up of all drivers (currently we have 4 national drivers and 2 others). We do try to co-opt as many as we can at every opportunity but it is simply not popular to give up time to attend AGMs (Sunday is normally a race day) or for midweek evening meetings often a long way from home.

[Adam Skelding]

Lee
Fair points, some Regional reps do more that others and the point you make concerning seeking drivers views was recognised at the meeting.
I do rather feel that in the perfect world the Section Committee should be made up of all drivers (currently we have 4 national drivers and 2 others). We do try to co-opt as many as we can at every opportunity but it is simply not popular to give up time to attend AGMs (Sunday is normally a race day) or for midweek evening meetings often a long way from home.

Hence my version of 'Selection process'.
Drivers choose.
Can be done by internet login / post / sms.

[spenner]

The world wide web was not as popular!!!!

With nearly everyone having access now opinions can be easily added for everyone to read and reply/add too ........

This could be where times should change for the voting for National tracks... back in the pre www. times, your regional rep asked most racers what tracks etc.

Now with modern technology we can just get everyone to vote, inc brca no.. as adam said must have attended 3 or more nats.

[Lee Martin]

yeh, i would find it hard to attend any meetings, with racing, international racing and work its abit hard!

[Northy]

I attended.

I had to leave work early (4.30), got there just after 7pm, had to eat my tea IN the meeting, left at 11.30, got home at 2am, and had to get up for work the next day.

I might not bother next time, I'll let someone else have a go eh? :confused::confused::mad::mad:

G

[Lee Martin]

well its cetainly made my day go faster!

[Northy]

Lee, Jimmy told me I had to reply with 'if you care enough, yeah' :D:D:D:D:D

I was just trying to point out to everyone reading that it is often a thankless job.

G

[jimmy]

I don't beleive anything you say northy! :p

Looks like northys regular weekend oople ban might come into effect sooner rather than later! ;)

[Adam Skelding]

I attended.

I had to leave work early (4.30), got there just after 7pm, had to eat my tea IN the meeting, left at 11.30, got home at 2am, and had to get up for work the next day.

I might not bother next time, I'll let someone else have a go eh? :confused::confused::mad::mad:

G

It's a shame other regional reps aren't as dedicated as you G.
For nearly half of the regional reps not to turn up is pretty poor. They know the responsibility of the job when they take it on and not to follow it up is cr*p!

Getting drivers to vote on the Nationals they want takes away some of the role of the regional rep. As regional rep you could put forward the cases for tracks in your region, but then let the racers vote on the tracks for nationals.

[stuartw]

It's a shame other regional reps aren't as dedicated as you G.
For nearly half of the regional reps not to turn up is pretty poor. They know the responsibility of the job when they take it on and not to follow it up is cr*p!


Of the four that did not turn up, one was the Scottish rep and one was Northern Ireland (a little to far to travel for an evening meeting). The other two both sent in their apologies for not being able to make it.

[footey]

not that ive done nationals but wouldnt it be possible to have either more rounds or run 2 lots so one lot for f1 f2 f3 then one lot for f4 and f5 as they would be anothe intrest im wanting to do nationals but been f4 i might struggle getting in

[Lee Martin]

not that ive done nationals but wouldnt it be possible to have either more rounds or run 2 lots so one lot for f1 f2 f3 then one lot for f4 and f5 as they would be anothe intrest im wanting to do nationals but been f4 i might struggle getting in

think thats more for regionals dude!;)

[footey]

i knnow what ur saying pidge but i no id like to race at allsorts of tracks including yours which hopfully ill be coming down there soon ;) and just thought would be a good idea giving f4 and f5 a series

[footey]

ill just shut up and let u guys sort it out for this year and pray i get in to do them :)

[Lee Martin]

i agree, but think the best way is to qually through reginoals then race nats.....???

keeps both strong then???

maybe a Lee martin Race series! like the Jimmy Babcock one in the states!?

[footey]

sounds good lee put my name down on the list;) as number 2 behind u

[Lee Martin]

i could acutally do something like that!

[jimmy]

a 2nd rate series for amateurs would be good :) I struggle for entries and vicky really struggles at nationals

[Lee Martin]

oooooooo i feel a task coming on!!!

[footey]

pidge do u have a postcode for ur track and do u have a meeting on there before 12 of january SORRY about change of subject but go on pidge get somthing sorted ;)

[Lee Martin]

depends on weather! think its going to be too rubbish to hold a meeting mate.

RG19 8LR

[strobe]

What are Kiddy doing to the track (building cost) new lay out or sorting the drainage out.
Was really looking forward to Going to CML.
Lee sort out a free weekend where no racing is on and put on an event. Get some big name drivers and sponsors, make it the event of the year.
Have it to a different format to the national series.
Oswestry needs some modding with the help of a JCB?

[Southwell]

A full weekend race at CML would be very cool. Im offering my services for the hard work of getting it done!

[strobe]

How about on a Bank Holiday weekend. 3 day race meeting

[Southwell]

Or race sat/sun, and all go out on the lash sun night! :D

[ben]

"Oswestry needs some modding with the help of a JCB?"I dont think they own the land they use for the national track. Dont quote me on this though

[alrg500]

Given the number of questions on here relating to why the National Venues listed were chosen I thought it best to try to explain the selection process.
The process is democratic and those voting consist of the 10 Regional Reps, Drivers Rep, Secretary, Referee, Treasurer and the Timekeeper (15 in total). On the night of the meeting this year, four regional reps and the timekeeper did not attend, so a total of 10 voters were present (the section Chairman does not vote unless there is a tied vote which he would resolve).
The selection process began with a presentation on behalf of each club applying (normally by the appropriate Regional Rep) to ensure the committee have full details of all aspects of the venue such as track surface, track features, location, onsite catering, pitting area, toilets, accessability, hotels and restuarants etc.
Following presentations the End of Season Final venues were voted on as follows:
BRC/Juniors/Veterans (total 10 Votes) Eastrax 4, Talywain 3 and Holbeach 3. Eastrax selected.
F345 Finals (total 10 votes) Coventry 5, Talywain 3 Oswestry 2. Coventry selected.
National Series (total sixty votes) Holbeach 5, Kidderminster 10,Oswestry 8, Stotfold 10, Southport 10, Talywain 7, Eden Park 8, CML Raceway 1, Clanfield 1. Kidderminster, Oswestry, Stotfold, Southport, Talywain and Eden Park selected.
It is difficult to please everyone all the time and as shown above there are bound to be disapointments, however I am sure you will all agree that the selection process was fair and above board (by the way the vote counting takes place in front of the whole committee to gaurd against accusations of manipulation).
In closing I can comfirm that there were no late National applications, Kidderminster awaited buildings work costings so was not mentioned at the AGM (in case it had to withdraw on cost grounds) and the Southport application arrived while the Committee attended the AGM (not late but not mentioned either).
I hope this goes some way to explaining how results come about and gives some assurances that the BRCA Committee are trying to to do the best possible job for all drivers taking part in the National Series and EOS Finals.
Regards
Charlie Fraser
Sec. BRCA 1/10th Off-Road Section.


How come CML and Clanfields only managed 1 vote each, did they not put on a presentation?

[ashleyb4]

The problem we have chris is the 3 meter wide rule the track has to be 3 meters wide as you problerly well know im 90% confident that some parts of tracks such and kiddy bury etc arent 3 meters. So its hard trying to get some good sections though there where you have to turn. We did have the track tighter butfriday afternoon we where told we had to open it up more because it was something like 2.8 instead of 3 meters. But i didnt enjoy this years national track at all i hated the stupid wood under the astro fortunatly i didnt get the pleasure of the blue pipes as i didnt run practise. I hate big open tracks i preffer to have to use full lock instrad of hardly having to turn. But this year we have a diffrent track designer well we dont have just one we all have a say on it.

A
None of the thin blue pipe on corners, not even under astro, it takes the skill out of cornering and makes it a lottery.

Fast chicanes, jumps in the right places (and not just a wedge type one, put a curve between the ramp and track, laps not too long so you can't remember what corner is coming next, not too wide, not too narrow. Don't make all corners 90deg or 180deg (thats for the 2D racers), have some curve variance, sweeping, and tightening bends.

But its all well and good asking us on here for suggestions, but the truth is how can you include all the suggestions in 1 track? you can't. Its best just to start from scratch and don't have loads building the layout all taking care of their own 20ft x 20ft square - start from the start and lay the track one corner at a time... then when the lap is complete, stand back and look at it, even have someone drive it (someone not in the national ofcause) and then adjust the layout (& it will need adjustment, its never great first time)

[Chrislong]

Oswestry needs some modding with the help of a JCB?

Agreed, but leave the Chinese takeaway alone, the rest can go, start again.
:p

[Chrislong]

we dont have just one we all have a say on it.

A

So long as all work together and do 1 corner at a time, like I said, if not then it means the track has been built disjointedly, less opinions have gone into each corner and we end up with a right broth.

As for track width, perhaps a proposal for the 2008 AGM is in order? Southport, Kiddy and Bury all have narrow sections to the rules, but practically the tracks are all fine, so perhaps the width rule needs reducing? I could be wrong, its upto us to propose and vote the ruling though.

[CharlieF]

Yes all clubs were presented to the committee, but enough of this, lets look to the future!
As regards Adam and John's internet based driver's National track voting system, yes I can see it would be possible with the right expertise to set it up and to administer/moderate the system. And yes I can just about see how it could be cross-referenced to the BRCA membership list and who has done what nationals in what years and are therefore allowed a vote.
Where I have dificulty is who has this expertise and also the time to develop the system on behalf of the section and can then progress to administation of same. What I do know is that such skills are extremely limiled amongst Committee members - perhaps only one regional rep I can think of would be capable perhaps. Certainly, neither myself or the Chairman possess such skills so it is difficult to know how to take the idea forward.
What would be excellent, would be some of you computer wizards to develop a system then present it to the committee during 2008 so that a view can be taken on practicability before the next AGM.
It would need to be a well worked proposal and would certainly need committee input at the start, to try to ensure that all aspects of a proposed venue were considered (e.g. no point going to the best drivers track in the country if there are no hotels close by or no toilets on site) by the voting system.
OK. There is the Challenge - ......discuss........

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Has there been anything done about the camping situation at Kiddy as it is very cramped there, the same at stotfold as well. It is a shame that CML didnt get in as it looks like a fantastic venue but some places had to miss out. Not having southport or Kiddy would be like not having Monaco in F1.

[Stu]

...........
Maybe it's time for a change and let the drivers decide where they want to race.
Let the BRCA accept applications for nationals by a certain date. NO exceptions.
Scrutinise for suitability of Venue.
BRCA put forward a list of suitable venues.
Then at the end of the year, the drivers who completed 3 or more rounds of the previous years national championship vote on the tracks for next years meetings. All data to be transparent and visible...........

:confused:

Sound interesting, maybe it should go in as a proper AGM proposal next year. The proposal will obviously need to contain more detail, such as who is going to volunteer to administer it and exactly how the votes will be cast & counted.

It would certainly benefit those from regions that do not have someone willing or able to represent them at the meetings.

[Stu]

You beat me Charlie.

It would not be difficult to create a bit of a PHP form that will send votes via email from a web page. I imagine the security issue would difficult, to ensure that the votes were actually coming from the correct person.

[PTRU]

I agree Charlie this should be dropped now But I will Take you back to the conversation we had at Eden Park 7 days after the AGM. Also 12 months ago
when it was agreed by the committee that the rules should not be broken and CML were not allowed to be involved with the voting process.

Is this going to become Pidgegate.

I still find the situation is very bad for the coming year, I hope it does not come back to Haunt you in the future.

I have had my say I will depart,

Good luck in 2008.

Very un-happy BRCA Member

[neiloliver]

Oswestry.. only club to ever have a band i think? quiz the following year. Bar both years. Largest pitting area? Fenced off. No locals stealing your stuff. hard standing available if very wet. Track on bank so it has to rain VERY hard to be flooded. Most over subscribed national for 2007, even though it was mid holiday season. covered transmitter compound.

We cannot dig up the grass as we not own it. Last year the track construction took ten hours and it rained non stop all day (that was a friday of course and we all took the day off work).

N

[ben]

Im seeing a lot of commitment their neil.

[PaulRotheram]

will there be a bar this year at ozfest? and if so.. please tell them to stock up well on the magners, they ran out in 2007 :(

[ben]

Ill be on coke

[RogerM]

I don't think hard drugs are the answer ..... stick to getting p155ed like everybody else!!! ;)

[Southwell]

will there be a bar this year at ozfest? and if so.. please tell them to stock up well on the magners, they ran out in 2007 :(

Yeah but when your a pussy like u they don't need many ;)

[PaulRotheram]

2 bars and one town with night clubs, i'll out do u at everyone of them ;)

[RogerM]

Sounds like fighting talk there Paul ... ;)

[ben]

I don't think hard drugs are the answer ..... stick to getting p155ed like everybody else!!! ;)

hahaha
nah im not old enough to drink lol. I meant coca cola. And mabye some blue wickede mmmmm i like lol

lil ben

[GRIFF55]

Yeah but when your a pussy like u they don't need many ;)

Perhaps a pussy wig is in order:p

[super__dan]

In general I'm over the moon with this calender, and am really looking forward to next year. I'm intruiged by Talywain, is it just a grass track on the field next to the dirt track?????

Track I'm most disspaointed not to be visiting is Eastrax as I think it looks great, but good new for those that are going.

[hywel]

talawan is flat grass.

Lee
WRONG IT ISNT

[JCJC]

WRONG IT ISNT

So we know what it aint, tell us what it is...................please:)

[Chrislong]

WRONG IT ISNT

http://www.talywainrcracers.com/homepage.html (Link found by BenJ)

WELL, IS THIS IT, OR IS IT NOT. :confused:

[hywel]

To answer some of the questions Dan may have about Talywain here goes
the track will be built on the grass area [golf driving range] in front ofthe building in approx 4 acres of ground it is not all flat and has natural contours that may be used in the track, it could feature man made jumps, or it may have purpose built areas and features this will depend on how Chris[millzy] see s things. As far as the venue is concerned the site has acafe and club area so hot food will be available till late , on site tiolets mains water etc for some who camp We may utilize the golf driving bays as pitting areas so mains electricity will be available too For those of you who may not wish to stay on site there are travel lodges etc with in afew milse of the site plus B and Bs etc So there u go come along and see what we have to offer i think you will enjoy it Oh yeah there are motorways in Wales now ,you just got to pay to come in [lol]

[Chrislong]

Thanks H,
Surely they'd make more money by charging to leave ;) (im joking!)

[hywel]

ITS THE FRENCH your paying forthe channel tunnel debt[lol] for better pictures of where you will be racing click onto www.nitrotrucks (http://www.nitrotrucks) .com photo galley and scroll down to 8/10 event in the summer it shows the track area building etc

[ashleyb4]

Its very odd not having tiverton as the first national i always wanted to go there and race it looked good fun. Never raced on dirt :(

A

[Chrislong]

Oh I see it, looks to be an all grass track with some profiles in the landscape by the trees which are less extreme than Telford has.

If the grass can stand up to those trucks in the wet, then it should be good for our buggies.

Ash, Tiverton will no longer be able to hold events at the barn, as the surface is being changed from the dirt/sand, to a rubber chipping type surface... suitable for horses which is what the arena is used for. (Although id be rather pleased if we got news of that work not being done and dirt remains ;) ace track)

[ashleyb4]

Yea i was very disapointed to here about that but i did hear in the summer that someone is building a new inddor dirt track ;) Dont know if its still happening.

A

[Mrs oOple]

To answer some of the questions Dan may have about Talywain here goes
the track will be built on the grass area [golf driving range] in front ofthe building in approx 4 acres of ground it is not all flat and has natural contours that may be used in the track, it could feature man made jumps, or it may have purpose built areas and features this will depend on how Chris[millzy] see s things. As far as the venue is concerned the site has acafe and club area so hot food will be available till late , on site tiolets mains water etc for some who camp We may utilize the golf driving bays as pitting areas so mains electricity will be available too For those of you who may not wish to stay on site there are travel lodges etc with in afew milse of the site plus B and Bs etc So there u go come along and see what we have to offer i think you will enjoy it Oh yeah there are motorways in Wales now ,you just got to pay to come in [lol]

Venue sounds great, but you forgot to mention - where's the nearest McDonalds? :D

[ben]

yeh thats the most important part of the weekend vicky lol:D:D

[ashleyb4]

What you doing up at this time of night ben its well past your bed time ben!!!


Hehehe high five!!!!!!!!!!!!

A:wtf:

[ben]

im still up and im going to teesside regional in about 5 hours haha. How cum your up at this time on a mornin lol

lil ben

[Lee]

ben do you have a power supply i can hook upto in the morning, mine has just gone bang on the kitchen table, yes i left it switched to 115 v from the states, Whoops:D

[ashleyb4]

Im always up at thsi time of the morning Ive just finsihed doing a 75 lap race on my racing game i play on.

A


im still up and im going to teesside regional in about 5 hours haha. How cum your up at this time on a mornin lol

lil ben

[ashleyb4]

and how come you aint added me on MSN!!!

you will never catch my post count i will always have more than you hehe.

A

[PaulRotheram]

And they'l both be zero'd if you two persist to post crap ;)

[ashleyb4]

I dont post crap!

i think it just because your jelous!

A

[Col]

I dont post crap!


That is highly debatable...

[David Church]

oooh DC, i'm coming for you this year man. I was going to throw down a challenge for the Eden park bar too.. but then realised who i'm talking to.. mahaha

Dude, just found this!!! It's on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D I am gonna do the double on you, in the bar and on the track!!!!!!:o

[hywel]

Vicki the nearest Macdonalds is about 10 mins away but why eat that crap when u can eat on site cheaper [lol]