Brushless setup opinions

[Juttie]

Im looking at getting a lrp sxx and a speed passion 6.5t for my 22 would this be a good combo and can anyone recommend a lipo to use I have the losi in rear config thanks

[RogerM]

Save yourself a good few pounds and go for the HobbyWing ExRun ESC at around £100 (or if you have to spend more money get the rebadged version at a higher price, circa £155, from Speed Passion).

Most people I know who have tried both find the HobbyWing/Speed Passion smoother and easier to set up.

As for motors that is down to personal preferences, I run Orion as they are super smooth and very fast too. I have used Speed Passion and they are good motors but a little less zippy than the Orions.

[Juttie]

I allready have a ezrun with a 5.5t but not sure if it will be brca legal?

[Timee80]

He's talking about the xerun sensored version, not the ezrun non sensored one. The xerun 120a is excellent and so easy to setup

[Juttie]

oh ok wheres the best place to get them

[Timee80]

Ebay is cheapest or click on link in rogerm's signature for uk supply

[adon30]

Follow rogers link to Rie. They are expected in in a couple of weeks. Which is just as fast as you would get them off eBay. They are uk supply so you have someone in this country to talk to if anything goes wrong.

[Juttie]

The lrp is at a good price though je spares £129 what motor would work well with this???

[jaffacake]

You were just advised from guys with experience to go for the Hobbywing, i would take the advice if i were you :)
I know of a few guys running Hobbywing 1/8th electric gear & they rate it very highly
Best i can see is £74.90 on ebay for the 120a with free p&p,pick up a good used 2nd hand brushless motor..job done

[Juttie]

Are they not a bit big to fit under the 22 shell when in rear motor config.

[Timee80]

I had mine in rear motor to start with using a 120a xerun, full size servo, spektrum sr3000 and 5000mah stick lipo. All went in no bother. Now in mid layout, that takes abit of imagination with positioning.

[Juttie]

thanks for the replys looks like it could be he hoobywing route are they brca legal and what motor,lipo do people recommend

[leepez]

I originally wanted a Speed Passion speedo and then was also tempted by the LRP SXX.
Since I then found out that the Hoobywing is exactly the same as a Speed Passion, I've just ordered one from Racers in Exile :-)

[adon30]

Looking, the hobbywing is about 10mm larger than the lrp. So you'll have to make a decision on that.
Also racer in exicile have a 10% preorder discount which makes the 1s £90 so you would save £40 on the lrp and have a decent bit of kit.

[Juttie]

Racers in Exile ?????

[adon30]

Just click on hobbywing on RogerM post and it will take you there

[leepez]

Looking, the hobbywing is about 10mm larger than the lrp. So you'll have to make a decision on that.
Also racer in exicile have a 10% preorder discount which makes the 1s £90 so you would save £40 on the lrp and have a decent bit of kit.

I tried the preorder one for the Blue but couldn't get it to work... so I opted for the Black one instead, which they have got instock :)

[Juttie]

Thinking about getting one in black is it worth getting the lcd program card also what 6.5t motor would people go for.

[Juttie]

Are the speed passion gt2.0 pro the same as the hobbywing xerun????

[adon30]

I believe they are very similar if not the same.

The advice I was given on motors is as follows. Speed passion are smoothest but not fastest. Orion are nearly as smooth with more top end. Lrp and Nosram are quite aggressive. I can not comment on the others but I'm sure people will have there own opinions and it depends what style of driving you like. (I have an Orion).

Speak to Stuart at RIE about the programmer. I'm not getting one with mine but can always buy one later if I want to tinker with settings and software further.

[Juttie]

I take it the black is the same as the blue one.

[RogerM]

Yes, all the same apart from the colour.

I prefer the 1S to the 120A v2.1 as it has a higher power RX supply (useful with todays greedy servos and to give solid voltage to PTs). The only thing they won't do is run more than 2s LiPo but for racing applications that doesn't matter a bit!

As for the size don't worry about it ... I run the HobbyWing ESC next to the servo on my FS2 and there is still room next to them for my Spektrum RX!!!

[Juttie]

Is it worth getting the lcd program card and what motor would you recommend im after 6.5t must be brca legal.

[Col]

1st. How can you ask a question without using a question mark?<<<<

2nd. Pick a motor from the advise you've already been given, then look on the BRCA website to see if it's BRCA legal.

Is it worth getting the lcd program card and what motor would you recommend im after 6.5t must be brca legal.

The advice I was given on motors is as follows. Speed passion are smoothest but not fastest. Orion are nearly as smooth with more top end. Lrp and Nosram are quite aggressive. I can not comment on the others but I'm sure people will have there own opinions and it depends what style of driving you like.

[leepez]

Is it worth getting the lcd program card and what motor would you recommend im after 6.5t must be brca legal.

Go for a Speed Passion V3 6.5T

[Juttie]

Thanks for all the advice I have ordered a xerun and 60c lipo and will be sorting a speed passion motor thanks again.

[leepez]

Thanks for all the advice I have ordered a xerun and 60c lipo and will be sorting a speed passion motor thanks again.

Let us know once you've recieved your 'XERUN' I'm still waiting for mine and can't get any answer from the supplier.

[adon30]

Let us know once you've recieved your 'XERUN' I'm still waiting for mine and can't get any answer from the supplier.


The order was placed with China around the 24th May by the supplier. So I would guess he should be receiving them this next week (rough guess of 10 days from China).
If you have preordered it will be sent out as soon as he has received them.

That is my understanding of it as I am waiting on mine also and am hoping for it the end of this week. [fingers crossed]

[leepez]

The order was placed with China around the 24th May by the supplier. So I would guess he should be receiving them this next week (rough guess of 10 days from China).
If you have preordered it will be sent out as soon as he has received them.

That is my understanding of it as I am waiting on mine also and am hoping for it the end of this week. [fingers crossed]

I went for the Black one as he was showing 9 in stock at the time.

[adon30]

I went for the Black one as he was showing 9 in stock at the time.

He had 10 showing in stock when I ordered mine. However it says on the info that these are 'pre-order' hence why you get the discount for buying early.
This was done so he could effictively start allocating stock before it arrived. I don't think it should be too long now. I'll possibly give him a ring in the week to check.

[The Hoppster]

I just tried to order the black one but the code does not work. Any ideas.

Thanks

The Hoppster

[leepez]

He had 10 showing in stock when I ordered mine. However it says on the info that these are 'pre-order' hence why you get the discount for buying early.
This was done so he could effictively start allocating stock before it arrived. I don't think it should be too long now. I'll possibly give him a ring in the week to check.

It still doesn't explain the fact that the Guy is reluctant to answer any messages that have been left for him.
Lets hope you have better luck getting an answer to your question than I do.

[adon30]

I just tried to order the black one but the code does not work. Any ideas.

Thanks

The Hoppster

Right, Just spoken with Stuart at RIE and he says that he has people screaming for these but they are on there way.

Secondly give him time to try and reset the website and then the order code should work again. This may be later tonight or tomorrow (sorry can't tell you when he is doing it).

Hope this helps everyone.

[leepez]

I just tried to order the black one but the code does not work. Any ideas.

Thanks

The Hoppster

Order direct from China, or try giving the Guy a call and order it that way?

[DavidAMS]

mailed RIE last week and got no reply so i went and ordered one from rcmart in china. got it in 5 days, happy i did as i wanted the blue one.:thumbsup:

[The Hoppster]

DavidAMS did you get stung with Import Duty? I was looking at the XERUN-120A-SD (V2.1) on rcmart.

What is the after sales service like with RIE if you have a problem?

[RogerM]

Racers in Exile are VERY responsive with after sales service, Stuart has recently made revised arrangements with HobbyWing which mean RIE will be able to deal with any issues faster than ever and you as a customer will be getting quality service.

RIE are very friendly and easy to deal with, when you ring you will get through to THE man, not passed around.

[RogerM]

Stuart (who the mails at RIE go to) has been out in China arranging some interesting new product lines, I am sure he would ask you all to accept his appologies for slow e-mail responses whilst he was away.

He's back in full swing now, I got a reply in 17mins today and he returned my call within the hour yesterday too.

[leepez]

Stuart (who the mails at RIE go to) has been out in China arranging some interesting new product lines, I am sure he would ask you all to accept his appologies for slow e-mail responses whilst he was away.

He's back in full swing now, I got a reply in 17mins today and he returned my call within the hour yesterday too.

Different story here I'm afraid....
Still not got an answer from over a week ago now. I'll try again tomorrow.

His website now says delivery for 25th June? is this for another batch? or for the same batch from which my order was placed over two weeks ago?

[DavidAMS]

DavidAMS did you get stung with Import Duty? I was looking at the XERUN-120A-SD (V2.1) on rcmart.

What is the after sales service like with RIE if you have a problem?


never get taxed from china rc shops, they mark it low value. :thumbsup:

[RogerM]

I "believe" it to be an issue with the courier ... will check up with Stuart and post back later as I need to order some other stuff.

I know he is doing everything he can to get these items in stock .... he's got loads of people who want them and trust me ... he really wants to sell everybody one (or 6)

[Chrissy C]

Apologies for asking a numpty question here, but i'm still trying to get my head round brushless, especially the boost and dynamic timing etc!

Basically i want to run 21.5t in my TC at the highest level and to be competative you need boost etc and the speedy needs to be updatable with the latest software. I was looking at the LRP SXX V2 Stock Spec, but at £209that is a little steep.

From what i have read on the RIE website the Hobbywing does all of this - correct? If so (and here is the numpty bit) what will the 60A version lack as opposed to the 120A - will it be punch in my stock class or power????

£74.99 for a 60A version looks very tempting, but will i be losing out to the LRP's?

Thanks all,
Chris

[leepez]

Different story here I'm afraid....
Still not got an answer from over a week ago now. I'll try again tomorrow.

His website now says delivery for 25th June? is this for another batch? or for the same batch from which my order was placed over two weeks ago?

Spoke to Stuart earlier all sorted now and a refund on it's way.

[RogerM]

Apologies for asking a numpty question here, but i'm still trying to get my head round brushless, especially the boost and dynamic timing etc!

Basically i want to run 21.5t in my TC at the highest level and to be competative you need boost etc and the speedy needs to be updatable with the latest software. I was looking at the LRP SXX V2 Stock Spec, but at £209that is a little steep.

From what i have read on the RIE website the Hobbywing does all of this - correct? If so (and here is the numpty bit) what will the 60A version lack as opposed to the 120A - will it be punch in my stock class or power????

£74.99 for a 60A version looks very tempting, but will i be losing out to the LRP's?

Thanks all,
Chris

Hi Chris,

firstly the HobbyWing ESCs gives you all the adjustments that you would want for stock class racing, especially those that you need.

I would say the Xtreme Stock is perfect for your application, I run it with a 13.5 in my TC without a fan and it's perfectly happy (although of course the fan is an insurance policy so I would advise you use it whilst you get used to the effects of the settings).

I am still playing with the settings BUT have something that works fine for me in terms of drivability and is plenty fast enough with my Orion motor!

I am more than happy to share these settings with you and help where I can.

Just to put your mind at rest I have run a 10.5 with the Xtreme stock in turbo mode (in this case the fan becomes more necessary though) and before I descovered the HobbyWing's capabilities I was running LRP/NOSRAM ESCs .... as far as I am concerned there is a night and day difference between them in the HobbyWings favour. In fact I would go as far as to say that if HobbyWing were to disappear (not likely) I woul donly consider replacing my units with Tekin RS Pros ... (but I'd only get 1 for the price of 2 or 3 HobbyWings!!!)

[Chrissy C]

Thanks Roger, I was hoping to hear that!

Its funny, although price is the all important factor at the moment, when you do see a product that much cheaper you think "what doesn't it do" - happy to hear it will cover everything and will be competative to boot - perfect!

I think i will order one of these shortly.

Will the new ones i see coming late June be replacing the XTREME Stock version or are they for different applications i.e. mod?

Although not really the right thread (which i apolgise for hijacking!) but how do the Hobbywing motors fare? I would be going for the 21.5t - are the grey and blue exactly the same spec?

Cheers

[Juttie]

I have just got my xerun 120a and its going in my 22 running rear config but with the fan fitted it wont fit has anyone fitted this or do they run without fan????

[JonyNitro]

I have just got my xerun 120a and its going in my 22 running rear config but with the fan fitted it wont fit has anyone fitted this or do they run without fan????

mine in Mid
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr11/JonyNitro72/SAM_0376.jpg

[Juttie]

there is no way that will fit with the fan at the back is it ok to run without fan?

[RogerM]

Depending on motor spec the fan might not be needed (just go careful on the first run, temp checking every minute or so to be sure!)

[RogerM]

Will the new ones i see coming late June be replacing the XTREME Stock version or are they for different applications i.e. mod?

Although not really the right thread (which i apolgise for hijacking!) but how do the Hobbywing motors fare? I would be going for the 21.5t - are the grey and blue exactly the same spec?

Cheers

I believe the shipment on it's way has loads of Xtreme Stock and V2.1 120A units in it.

If by the "new" units you mean the V3 from what I understand they wion't be available till the early part of next year ... the rumour mill has suggested they are much closer to production than they really are.
If there is any improvement on that sort of date I will definitely post it here.

I've had the chance to play with a pre-prod V3 (sadly not in my cars) and it will be the ESC to end all ESCs if all the features make it to the produciton stage.

As for HobbyWing motors I can't give you a first hand opinion as I run Orion motors, that said I have experienced them whilst helping others set up ESCs and they seem to be as smooth and fast as anything out there (except Orion ... obviously :p)


I think we are running a bit close to the wire with hyjacking this thread ..... maybe we should set up a HobbyWing Q&A like the Tekin one

[TryHard]

Thanks Roger, I was hoping to hear that!

Its funny, although price is the all important factor at the moment, when you do see a product that much cheaper you think "what doesn't it do" - happy to hear it will cover everything and will be competative to boot - perfect!

I think i will order one of these shortly.

Will the new ones i see coming late June be replacing the XTREME Stock version or are they for different applications i.e. mod?

Although not really the right thread (which i apolgise for hijacking!) but how do the Hobbywing motors fare? I would be going for the 21.5t - are the grey and blue exactly the same spec?

Cheers

Hi Chris,
The grey and blue motors are exactly the same. They are quite smooth motors (similar to the SP's), and they also don't have adjustable endbell timing.

Motor wise, I'm still a big fan of the X12's for TC, super amount of low down torque, and with the ESC settings it's possible to pretty much do everything in terms of boost and turbo. Might take a while to find settings your happy with, but once there it's pretty easy to stay on top of it all :)

I can honestly say you won't lack for power against any of the current LRP's. Just make sure you get a program box at the same time as the ESC, so you can update the firmware.

I will say it's quite interesting being based the other side of the world (yes, I'm in china!), as I get to regularly chat with the HW team out here, there are some good new developments on the horizon, that much I can say. Theres a small possibility I might get to check out a v3 this weekend... :p

[Gnarly Old Dog]

I will say it's quite interesting being based the other side of the world (yes, I'm in china!), as I get to regularly chat with the HW team out here, there are some good new developments on the horizon, that much I can say. Theres a small possibility I might get to check out a v3 this weekend... :p

You tease Ed :p

[Chrissy C]

Thanks Ed HW is looking better all the time :)

I would most likely team this up with an X12 (21.5) as that is what the other guys are using.

Cheers
Chris

[Chesty]

Hi Chris

I believe the competitive guys at Coastal & STCC are running the Corally/Graupner (I think thats what it is) 21.5t motor.

Its significantly quicker than the others but not BRCA legal (but this doesn't matter at Coastal/STCC) due to the way its constructed.

Might be worth investigating before you (potentially) waste any money:woot:

I don't think even a guy of your talent would be competitive at the STCC without one...