View Full Version : Big bores feedback!
captainlip
30-05-2011, 01:41 PM
Just for those considering these as an upgrade the result is....... You defo need to get some!
They are so much better, more predictable, stable and even better over the jumps! They are a worthy investment and would recommend these all day long!
Thumbs up to Durango for making such a fantastic product that's worth the investment!!!!!
Not tried them outdoors yer due to weather but can see these are going to be good!!!!
My setup so far is
Front
Dark blue 2 hole piston 45wt oil
Rear
Light blue 3 hole piston 35wt oil
tomtom
30-05-2011, 02:36 PM
Sounds good !
Received mine this morning, build them quickly (very nice ones)
and start with AE35/6x1.2 front and AE30/6x1.3 rear but will try
Craig setup this week.
captainlip
30-05-2011, 02:46 PM
Forgot to add I'm running 4mm droop on the front and 2mm on the rear on the shock collars
Dazzler
30-05-2011, 03:03 PM
Don't you mean pre-load not droop.
captainlip
30-05-2011, 04:27 PM
Don't you mean pre-load not droop.
That's the sh1t I'm talking about haha!
Big G
30-05-2011, 07:07 PM
all big bore pistons are 6 hole in the kit.. did you mod them to make 2 and 3?
captainlip
30-05-2011, 07:18 PM
all big bore pistons are 6 hole in the kit.. did you mod them to make 2 and 3?
Just glue the holes up advice from Craig collison himself!
wacattack
30-05-2011, 09:01 PM
Just for those considering these as an upgrade the result is....... You defo need to get some!
They are so much better, more predictable, stable and even better over the jumps! They are a worthy investment and would recommend these all day long!
Thumbs up to Durango for making such a fantastic product that's worth the investment!!!!!
Not tried them outdoors yer due to weather but can see these are going to be good!!!!
My setup so far is
Front
Dark blue 2 hole piston 45wt oil
Rear
Light blue 3 hole piston 35wt oil
Looks like someone's hacked captainlips oople account, he's saying something complimentary about Durango! :woot:
paulc
30-05-2011, 10:11 PM
:lol:
tomtom
31-05-2011, 04:47 PM
Captainlip,
Piston holes redrilled to 1.7-1.8 mm like Craig suggestion ?
AE oil ?
Thanks !
captainlip
31-05-2011, 04:58 PM
No I haven't drilled them out and I'm using fastrax oils
tomtom
31-05-2011, 05:00 PM
What holes size did you choose then ?
6 holes were far too smooth for me.
Thanks !!
TonyM
31-05-2011, 05:09 PM
I ran mine at Southport at the weekend. To be quite honest I didn't notice much difference between the big-bore and standard shocks. Probably just a tad quicker on recovery. There again Southport doesn't have any large jumps, nor very ripply sections, so not a thorough test for shocks.
What I ran was:
Front
6 x 1.2 hole pistons
Dark Blue spring
35WT Losi oil
Rear
6 x 1.3 hole pistons
Light Blue Spring
30Wt Losi oil
I should add that in my standard shocks I've been running the tapered Ghea 1.2 and 1.3 pistons.
I'd like to see some big-bore set-ups from the team drivers. EDIT just seen Craig's and Adam's for RHR.
Big G
31-05-2011, 10:46 PM
exactly the same as I'm running Tony
asc6000
01-06-2011, 04:25 AM
not very impressed myself, they seep and the shafts look worn out after only a few days of use. revamped piston holes made them work much better, I glued all the holes shut and whipped out my pin vise and the drill bits, set of ten bits from 1.06mm to 1.6mm, using 3 holes, not all the same size. junk shafts and seals, time will tell when the coating is going to wear off the inside of the shock body. they sure look good though :woot:
not very impressed myself, they seep and the shafts look worn out after only a few days of use. revamped piston holes made them work much better, I glued all the holes shut and whipped out my pin vise and the drill bits, set of ten bits from 1.06mm to 1.6mm, using 3 holes, not all the same size. junk shafts and seals, time will tell when the coating is going to wear off the inside of the shock body. they sure look good though :woot:
Ive been running them for over a month now and mine don't seep at all. The shock shafts and seals are exactly the same as the standard shocks, which i used for the whole season last year with no sign of wear. In regards to time telling if the coating will wear off the inside of the shock body, they have already stood the test of time. Adam and Nathan have been using the shocks for months and reported NO WEAR AT ALL.
Once you get the shocks set up to your liking, there a fantastic addition to the car :thumbsup:
Craig
wacattack
01-06-2011, 08:38 AM
Once you get the shocks set up to your liking, there a fantastic addition to the car :thumbsup:
Craig
"They are" or "they're" a fantastic addition to the car, not "there" a fantastic addition to the car haha :p
captainlip
01-06-2011, 08:54 AM
Ive been running them for over a month now and mine don't seep at all. The shock shafts and seals are exactly the same as the standard shocks, which i used for the whole season last year with no sign of wear. In regards to time telling if the coating will wear off the inside of the shock body, they have already stood the test of time. Adam and Nathan have been using the shocks for months and reported NO WEAR AT ALL.
Once you get the shocks set up to your liking, there a fantastic addition to the car :thumbsup:
Craig
Have to agree with you Craig!!! To add I've never had any leakage with durango shocks. Could it be the final washer is put in the wrong way round? May be worth a check!
Looking forward to running these at bury!
So you can actually read the thread this time!! GAY BOY! :p
This is not a spelling contest, im replying whilst at work! Multitasking has never been one of my strengths lol.
I was gonna really wind you up and reply in typical Collinson fashion, but was afraid if i put what i was going to, you might cry! haha.
TonyM
01-06-2011, 09:37 AM
I've never had a problem with leaking on the standard shocks and as the Big-Bore are the same 'O' rings washers, shaft etc, I don't expect to have any problem with them as well.
Nigel
06-06-2011, 08:16 PM
what big bores are they? these http://www.team-durango.com/part-info.php?partNo=TD230005
or these? http://www.team-durango.com/part-info.php?partNo=TD230004
also what ones are bigger? (i like big shocks :p)
Big G
06-06-2011, 09:33 PM
23mm are the fronts. 31mm are the rears.
Nigel
06-06-2011, 10:12 PM
ok thanks :thumbsup: and you guys fined these are a big step up from stock?
jimmy
06-06-2011, 10:58 PM
http://www.team-durango.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/410BigBores-guide1.jpg
RC John
13-06-2011, 03:28 PM
Does anyone know what springs the big bore kits come with?
Light Blue rear
Dark Blue fronts
RC John
13-06-2011, 05:39 PM
Thanks Hulk
Question for those that have been running the big bores. What differences in handling have you noticed between stock shocks and big bores?
Hi mate,
the car just feels more planted and stable with big bores. Your able to push the car harder without fear of it doing anything random over bumps. The car also lands better on the big jumps.
Craig
coleman758
14-06-2011, 09:15 AM
Hi mate,
the car just feels more planted and stable with big bores. Your able to push the car harder without fear of it doing anything random over bumps. The car also lands better on the big jumps.
Craig
Do you have any setup sheets for the full car using big bores??
http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setups/TD102001/RHR_GB/DEX410_RHR_BRCA_National_Round_2_Craig_Collinson_0 8_05_11.pdf
http://www.team-durango.com/pdf/setups/TD102001/Talywain_GB/DEX410_Craig_Collinson_Talywain_BRCA_National_Roun d_3_29_05_2011.pdf
There you go mate :thumbsup:
Also just go onto TD's website and look at most of 2011's set ups. Adam Skelding and Nathan Waters have been running the big bores for around 6 months, there set up sheets are also on the website.
http://www.team-durango.com/in-the-pits.php?partNo=TD102001&country=gb
Craig
RC John
14-06-2011, 06:31 PM
Does anyone know the reason behind plugging the 6 hole pistons to 2 or 3 and then drill them larger?
Big G
15-06-2011, 10:19 AM
I modded mine to 2x1.8mm (front) and 3x1.7mm (rear) and loaded them up with 35/30wt CML/Fastrax oil after Craig's (Hulk) advice.
Instantly I had doubts as the car felt so light and bouncy compared to my previous setup of 6x1.2mm (f) and 6x1.3mm (r). Last night ran them at Ludlow (very bumpy grass) and the car was transformed! It just ate the bumps for breakfast. The smaller bumps I didn't even notice and the larger ones that were throwing a lot of cars up into crashes it lifted, but once back on the ground carried on without a sniff of being unstable.
My Dad's SX on big bores looked very lively compared to mine!
Just need to test it over jumps, but I'm feeling very confident going into Kiddy on Sunday :D
andys
02-07-2011, 11:33 AM
Bought some 3x1.7 and 2x1.8 pistons as craigs setup.
The front feels silly bouncy, Ive kept uping the front oil weight, I'm at 50wt now and it still feels wrong and far too light on the bench. I'm using the dark blue springs too.
Whats going on, this can't be right !!!!
Where did you buy your pistons from Andy?
Are they not standard Durango pistons that you've glued up?
Craig
andys
02-07-2011, 11:57 AM
Hi Craig
Bought them from Nick I think, chap on here who sells tapered pistons for Losi and the Durango.
I didn't have the drill bit sizes to drill them myself so I just ordered the right sizes.
Also, when removing the kit pistons, all 4 have a bit that's broke away around where the screw goes through, so they are buggered, almost looks like a washer the piece that's come away....
Just put 42.5 in the rear to get it feeling something like, I'm confused !
Cheers
Andy
That fact you say the pistons are damaged can't be helping! lol.
Also if your using tapered pistons, they feel a lot lighter and bouncy compared to standard pistons.
Ive just got standard Durango pistons which ive glued up and drilled out myself. My car doesnt feel bouncy at all, even when pushing the suspension up and down whilst the car is on the bench.
Im on 3 hole pistons 1.7mm rears, 27.5wt oil, light blue springs. For the front im on 2 hole 1.8mm, 45wt, dark blue springs.
The front actually feels quite stiff, so im really not sure whats going on with yours :confused:.
Can only put it down to using non standard durango pistons, which are tapered and possibly damaged.
Craig
I take it you are referring to the big bore shocks, and not the standard ones?
andys
02-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Hi Craig.
It was the kit pistons I replaced that were damaged !
Only one run on them too ?
I've got 50wt front, 42.5 rear, big bores with kit springs, new tapered pistons, 2x1.8 3x1.7
Feels all wrong on the front, much lighter than I'd normally run, rear seems ok, still a bit light !
Are you at Batley tomorrow ?
The reason your shocks feel wrong with 1.8 and 1.7mm pistons is becasuse your using tapered pistons.
With tapered pistons i would try something like 3 hole 1.5 in the rear and 2 hole 1.6 in the front.
Your currently using my set up which is for standard pistons, not tapered.
I won't be at Batley tomorrow unfortunately.
andys
02-07-2011, 05:41 PM
Well, after far too many shock refills and refits, I settled on 55 front and 42.5 rear for the oils.
Seems ok, we will see tomorrow !
Does anyone run any spring other than the kit blues ?
coleman758
18-07-2011, 11:05 PM
I'm running, 6-hole kit pistons front and rear, Schumacher 45wt(f) & 35wt(r)
dark blue (f) and light green (r)
It feels quite nice to be fair.
I'm going to drop the weight of the oils to 35/30 and glue up the pistons. and give that a go.
Marc0
20-07-2011, 08:46 AM
Just asking, is there any how to, to glue piston's holes? I never tried that, and if I can avoid to glue my fingers instead of the pistons... lol
Big G
20-07-2011, 09:10 AM
araldite (I think that's how it's spelt). There's a thread about it.
Chris-S
20-07-2011, 10:15 AM
Just asking, is there any how to, to glue piston's holes? I never tried that, and if I can avoid to glue my fingers instead of the pistons... lol
I use a soldering iron, find it much quicker and less messy than araldite
tiny grub screws might work i did this once on my 808! they were a lot bigger pistons tho! lol
Chris have you made those carbon plates yet?
Marc0
20-07-2011, 02:06 PM
Thanks Chris :)
Big G
26-07-2011, 10:25 PM
my big bores are in pieces at the moment as I decided to rebuild them with new seals. (something was wrong with the car and I wanted to replace all seals and fluids) so I ran the kit shocks down club tonight.
1.3x2 front 1.3x3 rear with 35/30wt (I think). Pistons were GHEA ones.
The car certainly didn't eat up the bumps like it use to with big bores. I really missed them. Using Craig's 2x1.8 and 3x1.7 piston config my car certainly deals with the bumps at our club!
While on the talk of shocks does anyone have any feedback of #TD330257 TITANIUM NITRIDE FRONT SHOCK SHAFT ?
I'm assuming the usual smoother action, etc. :)
morgoth
29-07-2011, 06:29 PM
I glued some 4x 1.4mm pistons for the front and 5x 1.3mm for the rear. Filled with 450/350 oil. 400/300 might be better, but I have to try them first. They feel nice on the bench, but I haven't tested them yet. Isn't 2 and 3 hole a bit too extreme? A litte pack is nice imo :p
Marc0
08-08-2011, 11:18 AM
I tried Craig setup with 2x1.8 front, and 3x1.7mm rear, but with 50wt front and 32,5wt, and it is very good ! A little bit too smooth for my favorite track, but a very good beginning with the big bore. The car seems to fly over the track. I just missed to limit front travel by 3mm... then the caster block is rubbing the front arm.
I will try with 60wt front and 40wt rear and let you know :)
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