Brushed vs Brushless

[big air]

Just had a look through racer mag and noticed the there are just 3 out of top ten 2wd using brushless, and 1 out of the top 10 ten 4wd at the ifmar world championships.:o

I was about to buy a brushless combo but reading about this has made me think. :o

These are the best driver's in the world so why aren't they using the most advanced gear etc. Is Brushless flawed??? ie breaking down to often so they would rather use brushed motors.

Everyone seems to be going brushless at the minute so i ask, How many drivers on here have had breakdowns thermals etc.

Has brushless technology came out to soon for the amount of power we use and is not stable??

So this is the question a top driver will rag the arse of a buggy lap after lap for 5 minutes, Is this putting to much stress on brushless system campared to a lets say a decent club racer, so is that why most are still using a brushed set up.:confused:

Let the debate begin :D

[Chrislong]

The reason for brushed at the worlds is because it was low grip conditions. Brushless is more aggressive on low throttle than brushed, it suits us well in the UK as everything we have is high grip (even Tiverton & Worksop) compared to what the yanks call low bite.

You'll find the highest brushless was Novak, with the L motors and smaller gauge wire to limit current.

Brushless is ace.

[Mike Hudson]

I agree with Chris i've just changed over to brushless and it's so much nicer to use, also no hasle with having to change brushes and skim motors all the time too as you don't need to do any maintenance on the brushless although i have seen a few thermal but i think this was due to poor ventilation on the cars when the surrounding temperature has been high or if the driver has put a too big or too small pinion on. All in all brushless is awsome and i'm never going back down the brushed road.

[ben]

Yep i think brushless is definatley the way forward. They are maintenece free. There seems to be a lot more settings that can be changed on the brushless speedos. I havent thermalled a speedo yet. Or bust a motor.:)

lil ben

[ashleyb4]

Yup brushless all the way and the onl way to go is red!!!

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[ben]

Why is the only way to go red ash. Is it better or something

[ashleyb4]

its magic ;)

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[Mike Hudson]

Don't start this again we all know that colour doesn't make a difference it's just that blue looks the best as most cars have blue alloy and there's stickers to prove 'Blue is Better' :p LRP speedo and Novak motor has to be the best combo

[ashleyb4]

nosram is much cheaper and the red is prettyfull and orion motors are the way to go. yea lol god i love my kit hehe

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[ashleyb4]

what happens if you have green bling???

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[mattym0310]

i'd say brushless is awesome, loads less hassle and maintenabce free. definately worth the buy! although the choice as to which to buy is completely driver preference. i run the lrp speedo with the novak l series motor and would say its ace.

[Col]

what happens if ...
you clowns get bitch slapped for destroying every single thread on this forum?

Calling Mr Rotheram...

The discussion, like Matt has replied to, is about brushless vs brushed, not which colour your faviourate knickers are

[ashleyb4]

So far i havent seen you add anythign constructive to the thread.

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[Col]

That's because if I don't have anything decent to say, I keep my mouth shut

[barnyard]

personally i'm split 50/50 on this.

4wd brushless just cos i got fed up with skimming and re-brushing every other race

2wd i cant justify the expense of a whole new brushless setup when my last checkpoint lasted 1.5 seasons and only had 2 new sets of brushes in its lifetime. I have 3 brushed speedos and the motor gets a skim once / twice a meeting max depending how comitted i am at the time so £180 for the brushless or £60 for a replacement brushed motor with brushes i know i'd rather have the extra £120 for tires and beer.

If i was starting from scratch there is very little difference in initial cost but i would choose brushless purely so i dont need the extra expense of a lathe and brushes.

[GRIFF55]

I went to brushless after starting back racing last year with brushed, and i love it. I have had one motor self destruct but nosram sent a new one very quickly. I would recommend brushless as they are almost maintainance free. I do have an old brushed set up on standby for wet weather racing tho.
Brushless all the way!!

[Southwell]

Ive changed to 100% brushless after testing one in my 2wd. You get a lot more control in the air with it, almost like a 4wd i found and it felt very smooth, not agressive like i expected, but you can be very agressive if you wanted to be. I have gone lrp speedos and Novak motors 6.5light in 2wd and 5.5 sintered in 4wd.

[big air]

I went to brushless after starting back racing last year with brushed, and i love it. I have had one motor self destruct but nosram sent a new one very quickly. I would recommend brushless as they are almost maintainance free. I do have an old brushed set up on standby for wet weather racing tho.
Brushless all the way!!

Is there problems running brushless in the wet ??

[Southwell]

Yes but you just put blu tak or silicon around the end of the motor. The speedos need waterproofing like in the old days as i dont believe they are waterproof.

[mattym0310]

i have found no problems with using mine in the wet, except that it is not water proof and therefore needs more protection. i have found that it is quite agressive compared to my old brushed motors, however that is how i like my cars, and also love driving in the wet [apart from all the cleaning and such :D] i have not yet used my novak L motor in the wet but im sure it will calm things down a bit.

as barnyard said, if you already have Lathes and such then there is no a lot of point in rushing into buying one, but still if you add up the costs of brushes and everything neededin cleaning and replacing worn parts of the brushed motors then, in the long run, a brushless system is a lot more cost efficient especially if you take the opportunity of buying a cheaper second hand one that is near new. Offers like this also become available in the forsale section of the site.

hope this has helped you

[mattym0310]

forgot to add.. brushless systems also save you time at meetings as you dont have to spend the time changing brushes and skimming the comm etc.

[big air]

Thanks for all the info lads, i think i will go with nosram and an orion vortex :D

[Mike Hudson]

The best motors out there BY FAR are the novak motors!:o

[ashleyb4]

The best motors out there BY FAR are the novak motors!:o

how do you come to that conclution???

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[josh_smaxx]

I have to admit, i do like my orion motor, it feels so smooth compared to others i have tried, almost feels like a brushed motor.

Oh, and orange is better ;) and brushless is one hell of a lot better than brushed.

[Mike Hudson]

how do you come to that conclution???

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Because they are much more reliable and tuned better as ive seen many of the makes of motor break down in more than one way and oh yeah you spelt conclusion wrong tis not conclution haha:p

[AndyM]

how do you come to that conclution???

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possibly in the same way you come up with your conclusions.
don't be such a hipocrite:rolleyes:

Like matt and barnyard have said, if buying new i would go for a Brushless system, due to almost no maintenance and will be much cheaper in the long run. However, if you already own a comm lathe then brushed will be just as easy.

Personally, (if i was buying now) i would go for brushless, just due to ease of use and less maintenance etc.

basically what others have already said:cool:

enjoy...

[Mike Hudson]

I have to admit, i do like my orion motor, it feels so smooth compared to others i have tried, almost feels like a brushed motor.

Oh, and orange is better ;) and brushless is one hell of a lot better than brushed.
The smoothness of the motor can be changed by the setup of the speed controler others will have it setup differently to yours thus it feeling different

[ashleyb4]

Well ive seen novak motors fail but ive never seen and orion/ peak motor fail and this makes me think that orion/peak motors are better motors.

the novak motor i saw fail was mike elliots andthe rotor snaped in half.

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[xx4-nutter]

you obvously aint seen vermin trash motors then ?

ashly why are you soo biast to what gear you run? ! its rather annoying.... youre a porper turkey mate.

[Mike Hudson]

you obvously aint seen vermin trash motors then ?

ashly why are you soo biast to what gear you run? ! its rather annoying.... youre a porper turkey mate.
lmao! :D

[matt]

I'll agree with what most people have said on here that brushless is the way to go. All i've done to my LRP motor in a year is oil the bearings. I'll admit that i have sent 1 motor back but that was my fault as i got the sensor wet.

[super__dan]

In case anyone can have been bothered to read through the bitching, the other main reason from the worlds was existing sponsorship arrangements, all the guys running that high will be majorly backed and you run what you're asked to to keep your 'ride'.

[niggs98]

correct dan at that level you r told to run certain stuff by your sponsers so you do and make the best of it, i changed to brushless mid year and havent looked back, yes ive had 2 failers, one due to my own errors (i didnt water proof it enough) and one that just failed but in comparison to the brushed year before it was no worse and in fact i did 1 speedo and 4 motors through the year by desoldering the internals, the main thing is that in the brushless case the warrenty was honered and if the bits were in stock they were shipped straight out to me, the advantages ive found is to have a lot more feel midway through the power range which ive found makes the car a lot more drivable. as for makes of equipment im obviously biased towards nosram as im sponsered to run it but can also say that it has been run without hitch for the time ive had it and has been really good to use, one of my team mates runs nosram speedo's and orion motors and he really rates them for there reliability as well. every manufacturer has had failures of equipment and everyone will have a horror story of some part or other, so make your own choiceas to what to run, i honestly dont think you will go wrong with your original choice of nosram speedo's and orion motors as i have seen them first hand being given a lot of abuse for a year now without fault

[David Church]

I would go with brushless. It makes things so much easier, with almost no motor maintainence. Then go for spektrum and a personal transponder, this will free up time to set your car up, glue tyres and talk to your mates:D

[Welshy40]

I originally was scepticle about brushless, but as I tended to go through brushes once every four or five runs and of course skimming and mainteneance which is a pain especially if its raining and cold I decided to try the Peak brushless and hate to admit it but its worth the money.

If you work out how many times you skim your motor and how many brushes you use and then look at the overall cost you could probably buy another motor and maybe more.

This brushless motor doesnt glitch, feels as torquey as a brushed, and zero maintanance is needed, well in my 4wd its got a bit wet when it rained but that didnt bother it at all. I would recommend getting the Tekin as you will be able to use all brushless manfacturers as it works sensored and sensorless.

[ben]

I would go with brushless. It makes things so much easier, with almost no motor maintainence. Then go for spektrum and a personal transponder, this will free up time to set your car up, glue tyres and talk to your mates:D

And drink loads :p

[xx4-nutter]

i recon it was you ben who got drunk at last years outdoor teeside regional and rocked shanes van by urself because you run brushless, have spectrum and use a personal transponder

[ben]

haha. I do run all of those things. But not for the drinkin reason:D

lil ben

[xx4-nutter]

is it for the women ben ? :rolleyes:

[ben]

well some could say

[xx4-nutter]

well some could say


so now you run all them things and have more time on ur hands are you one of them lads who have too much time on there hands and do the ping pong thing ?

[vader]

It's for his sister to allow the lads to play :p

[xx4-nutter]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

[super__dan]

I would go with brushless. It makes things so much easier, with almost no motor maintainence. Then go for spektrum and a personal transponder, this will free up time to set your car up, glue tyres and talk to your mates:D

Defo, I'm brushless, spektrum and PT'd up and it's so much easier, both at club meetings and at major meetings. For anyone who doesn't have a pit bitch, all these things are great!

[big air]

Defo, I'm brushless, spektrum and PT'd up and it's so much easier, both at club meetings and at major meetings. For anyone who doesn't have a pit bitch, all these things are great!

lol nice one mate:D well if thats what you get when you go brushless pt etc im getting one, :confused: do they come with a life time guarantee or is it limted :o:cool:

[super__dan]

Brushless systems have limited warrenties, no idea on Spetrum, PT bacup isn't good as no servicable parts. However neither mine or the PT's of anyone else I now have ever gone wrong.

[big air]

i was talking about "pit bitch" :p

[Richard Lowe]

I think Ash is right (!) about the Orion/Peak motors being the most reliable, they are the only one's that have survived me using them :o :rolleyes:

[josh_smaxx]

I think Ash is right (!)

Bet ya never thought you would say that :p