:(

[jimmy]

England is crap..
no, not the football team, I mean the country!
What the chuff.. so, vickys car is broken into by potential twoc'ers this morning, who kindly bend the door and smash the window.

tonight I heard a lil "pop" and there are 3 holes in 2 different windows on our house, air rifle style.

:mad:

Its like a warzone round here.

Mrs.oOple, please can we move to ausanada yet ?? (australia or canada)

[Mrs oOple]

Tomorrow, yeah?
I'll go pack me bags.
:(

[Chrislong]

Aye, England sucks. You do know if you caught the little fuckers and tw@'d them it'd be you getting arrested.. and to be honest, id give a tw@ ting worth being arrested for too.

Why have things gone so crazy? Probably cos the way benefits are handed out, it encourages under-acheivers to become young single mothers, and then there children get no love, have no values or respect. Then the children from good homes are lead astray by the wrong kids.

Sorry to hear about Vicky's car and the window. :mad:

[jimmy]

Still police up the road- lights off waiting to stop and search anyone they see.. but still, not enough is it when I jump at every lil sound, ready to run out like a mad man brandishing the worlds biggest camera all primed to beat them senseless with it..

Really not happy round here, its rubbish. :| *sob*

[Northy]

It's nice where we live Jimmy, come and live here! :D

G

[bigred5765]

sorry to here about your probs hope all turns out ok
i would say move up here
or go to b&q get some cheap security camas, £89 for two cams and the controler stopped the d heads around here

[DCM]

As much as I would like to agree Chris, but I think that is just a pawn in the social disaster that is Great (laughable) Britain. Probably being older than most of you on here, I remember growing up as a kid in the 70's and early 80's and things chenged dramitacaly through them years.

It isn't the bennefit system that cuases these issues but it is more to do with the fact that we went to being a country run by Goody Goody type people. When I started comprehensive, the teachers were allowed to pull you out of your chair by the hair on the back of your neck, smack you cross the hand with a ruler and dish out corporal punishment. Now, I will admit this is something that should not be used lightly but should be there as a deterrent. We all mostly behaved in school, and our parents were allowed to smack us and we respected the authority.

Today, I see parents without the backup and belief in them that they know when a smack is a smack and not a darn flipping beatin. As far as the Police have been told, if it leaves a mark, it is abuse. So, you got a boy/girl who is misbehaving and you try other things to no avail, so you go to smack the bugger for being misbehaved, what goes through your head.... best not, and the child, who is in the know turns to you and says, 'you hit me and I will phone Social Services'. The same thing happens in school.

Parents and Teachers have lost the right to 'control' a child.

But it isn't all the SS and governments fault.

How many kids do you see having tantrums cause they want something?? I see loads, mine don't do it, I got 5, they can try, but as soon as they use Tantrums or anything like that, they get fook all, but others get embarassed and give in, thats called 'behavioural conditioning' so the child learns REAL QUICK on that one.

Jim, one little peice of advice, if you ever EVER catch someone in your house and you decide to give him a dam good beating, make sure it is at the bottom of the stairs or on the stairs. The law is pretty adamant, if the 'visitor' is found downstairs, then no intent ot harm the occupants were there, if the intruder goes up to the sleeping area (upstairs) then you are allowed to use 'reasonable force' to protect you and your family. Just make sure he 'falls down the stairs' in the struggle.

Jim, good luck mate, sounds like you got a group of 'ellusives' that the Police know who they are but have to wait to catch them 'in the act'

[darryl]

agree with you there steve,and as im probably older than you,we did respect our elders and other peoples property as they were not adverse to giving you a clip around the earhole,we hung around on corners in our teens but that was as far as it went,there was none of this happy slapping etc,a form of mutual respect was in order,fortunatly i live in a quieter part of york on the outskirts and it's very rare to see an unruly element around our end which is a god send,but i myself would cause major pain to however tried to get in or damage my property or personal property or harrass my wife and kids,so it is a shame about the grief you are getting around your end and i hope you catch the scum,reasonable force or not jimmy they deserve evrything thats coming to them

[DCM]

yeah, and as much as the current benefit system is inherrently wrong, I bennefit from it after splitting from my wife and having 5 kids.

If you allow kids to 'get away with things' from a young age, they get to a point that they feel 'invincible' which is ALWAYS a bad thing.

Some things my kids are tought

Self Respect
Pride
Politeness and manners
Discipline
Self Control
Respect for property

My kids know that if I caught them willingly damaging/breaking/being spiteful etc they are in trouble, they know not to have hissy fits when they don't get something.

Some things they get from me

Trust
unconditional love
respect
lead by example

There are kids around here I absoloutely hate due to how they 'behave' and it is never 'that kids fault' when they are in trouble according to their folks.

This behaviour is endemic of a society now so scared to tackle unruly youths, you even think twice about escorting a child to customer services in a shop if you think he/she has lost it's parents.

Society is CRAP now, give power back to parents and teachers and not use the rule of DUMB, in other words, creating laws to cover the lowest common denominator of life, so we ALL get treated as prospective child beaters, peadaphiles and abusives....

Someone take me soap box please....

[niggs98]

two cars broken into in a matter off a week,what is going on,
hope not to much got stolen,

trekkker

[Mrs oOple]

That was the crazy thing, I don't actually think they took anything. Pulled stuff out of the glove box like my mini CD player, and left it on the front seat... like, what the chuff?
But yeah, fortunately he is fixed, but for how long I don't know :S

[emzy]

They did with my mum's car... there was money and my MP3 player in there but they didn't take it. They picked up jewellery boxes from the driver side pocket and left them open on the seat... but they'd been empty anyway.

To get in to my mum's car they drilled / poked a hole in the metal of the passenger side door, next to the handle and screw drivered to unlock it... MAD.

[Col]

Jimmy,
On a slightly more positive note, we used to get alot of trouble round my 'rougher' side of York. I've had 1 car stolen and another broken into (admittedly a while ago) and alot of problems with gangs of kids harrassing a women with mental problems across the street. As you can imagine with 30-40 kids outside your house most nights, damage happens. This went on with apparently no help from the police for most of last summer. Just cos they don't appear to be doing anything doesn't mean that they aren't, though. Don't know exactly what did happen (!) but this year has been great and it's a nice place to live again.
So, 'chin up', Jimmy. Things can improve!!:smile:

[chrislee]

Jimmy, Vicky, sorry to hear of your troubles.......scum of the Earth oh and DCM, are you allowed to give 'em a kicking anywhere if you live in a bungalow? If so i might move just on the off chance :)

Chris

[DCM]

it is to do with them going near the sleeping area of the house... so if they enter a bedroom... hell... you got the right to defend in beleif that you are about to come to harm.

[stulec52]

I used to hate when the little a$$holes would just smash my car windows for a laugh.
I have a simple comparison for you to where I live now - JCBs, diggers, etc are left on the job sites here over night with windows wide open to the world
Nuff said

[jimmy]

I wonder if its legal to publish photos of minors and accuse them of crimes ?

Bah, who cares. I just saw these lil bastards smash a Taxi window as it drove past. They ran off, here they are 5 mins later.

So anyway Mrs.oOple, where are those emigration forms ? :p
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/scumcam2.jpg
http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/scumcam1.jpg

[jimmy]

Never a dull moment around here tho is there. :albino:

It would be safer to run around the streets with a camera in lebanon than round here :p

[DCM]

send it to your local paper Jim, and why... send it from Mr + Mrs Concerned who feel safer in Lebanon

[PaulRotheram]

keep ahold of them pictures jimmy.. for evidence really. personally id take them to the police as the scum im them photos are probably known by the police as trouble cases.

[losidan]

I feel sorry for the schools. When I was at school as DCM says it was the norm for teachers to discipline pupils as they saw fit. I dont say that in itself is enough but underlying this is the lack of power the teachers have. Talking to a teacher recently about discipline (cos I have been contemplating taking the PGCE) the teacher simpy sends the pupil to an officer with a note who deals with it. If they suspend or expel they are forced to just take them back by the governors or someone else anyway so the pupil learns nothing. I have heard loads of parents threatning to go and attack teachers for action taken against there child. What does any of this achieve?

When i was a whipper snapper if I did wrong at school I got what was coming and then looked forward to some more fun and games when I got home.

Peoples professional opinion is worthless these days. If you dont like what someone says anymore, simple just go see your lawyer and get them to get whoever you need to say what you want.....

No wonder this place is going to the dogs...

[Bathy]

Unfortunately I don’t think you can do anything about people like that jimmy, you just have to wait till they grow up and become politicians or immigrate to Australia!

Move to Bath mate, its nice here, no scum, well only me!

[emzy]

But didn't we used to send all of our criminals to Australia and that's what formed the population...?!

[DCM]

I am sure in todays climate, if the Taxi Driver took them to court, the kids would get him done for emotional assault... wankers

[PaulRotheram]

No, I doubt that... My dad's a taxi driver and has had similar problems in the past, with both passengers and chavs in the road, and has been 'through the system' and come out on top. In fact, recently (a few weeks ago), he had a rogue drunken passenger in the back who attempted to smash the screen in his cab (luckily it's reinforced plastic - but it was still damaged). He drove him to the nearest police, got him put in jail over night to cool down, and when the guy woke up he was handed a lovely court date to attend.

A week later he was in court and earned £300/£400 for damage, loss of time from work, loss of time from work filling in statements - taxi drivers don't get paid by the hour for doing nothing :rolleyes: and then a small compensation fee too.

*edit* - GRAMMARATED (by your friendly neighbourhood grammarator) :)

[BenG]

My dad's a copper, and he has endless trouble with chavs. The other week, he stopped a gang of 13 year olds, and when he asked them what they were doing etc., the 'leader' came up to him, with a tin of lager in his hand and burped in his face. So, he put him in the van, and the chav started to cry. :D:confused: That's what the chavs need: parents who care what their kids get up to, and discipline. :mad: Otherwise England in 10 years will be well, without swearing, it's actually hard to describe, let's just say crap ;)

*GRAMMARATED* :)

[DCM]

Only downside, is you have kids and you raise your voice at them in a shop/supermarket/street and you know straight away, you get the 'sympathy' look and you get the few who give you the 'bad parent' look. You got to be realy strong in yourself to do it with conviction. And it only ever takes one phone call to the dreaded SS and they act first, discuss later, but by that time, your kids are in care.

It is a REALY hard line to walk.

I for one don't give a shit and will bollock my kids, but I don't swear, and it has been commented that I have even made other 'adults' jump to attention, saying that, my kids are well behaved and know that if they push the limit, punishment is coming their way.

The reason why it has gone to shit, is that the 'do gooders' have made the law Home Office dictate laws that cover the lowest common denominator, so in essence we are ALL prospective child beaters/rapist/murders etc, so they can do away with common sense, like defending yourself in your own home, catching someone smashing your car windows and breaking their nose/arm etc in restraining them.

Oh, and if you EVER feel you need the Police RIGHT THERE, say you though one had a weapon, they will act, otherwise, like Jim knows, they just sit there watching, hoping one of the youths will step out of line so they can arrest them and give themselves two hours of paperwork.

As you can tell, todays society PISSES ME OFF.

grumpy old man, over and out... lol

[BenG]

Arghhh, I have been *Grammerated* :D. Yeah, that is true, Police, when they arrest someone, have too much paperwork. Someone told me the other day, that Spain has 2 police types, 1 paid, and 1 type that earns commission, per ticket, person put in jail etc. It apparently works well, and results in a very keen police force ;) But I could see that going wrong: let's say you have had a drink, and are walking down the road, wammo, you get a ticket for being drunk and disorderly :rolleyes:

*SPELLERATED AND GRAMMARATED*.... MUAHAHA!! (sorry, too much spare time eh!) x

[DCM]

In Spain, the Police are also allowed to give you a clip round the ear and shout at you, and if they don't like your attitude, you get a slap from them too. Old skool Policing.

As for the UK, take the story in the newspaper beginning of the week. Woman reported to Thames water of a water leak from the mains on Friday night, they come out, don't bother cordoning off the area and go away.

Skip lorry comes to collect a skip by the burst main, pulls in front of the skip, road subsides, front wheel trapped, lorry is well and truly stuck, so along comes a Traffic Warden, and TICKETS the lorry driver, leaving the driver and the company to go fight the ticket in court.... I mean.... that's what you get when you have people paid a bonus for ticketing.

[k£v!n]

the street i live in isn't much better m8. :(

whats with all the swearing int his topic :lol:

[BenG]

I think it is sheer anger:D

[DCM]

Dude, although I live in a quiet street, the area I live seems to have become a dumping ground for the council, so see all sorts, and it just isn't pleasant, it comes to something when you have to think HARD whether to allow your two oldest (8+9) to walk to the local shops, it also don't help, my views tend to be a little 'old fashioned' to an extent.

[losidan]

Oh, and if you EVER feel you need the Police RIGHT THERE, say you though one had a weapon,
or tell them you have seen a car on your street with an out of date road tax disc..they'll be there before you put the phone down.

Sorry tyrc I know your old mans a rozzer!

Ps, it could be worse jim...you could live in bradford like me...

[DCM]

I don't blame the Police Officers, like all, their orders filter down through the chain of command.

This should make you laugh, some people I know (they consider me a friend, erm...) have a minibus, tax disk was 15 months out of date before they renewed it: that computer system at the DVLA can't be that good though, as it never caught them.

The word has it now, the vans that were used for targeting Tax Disks (seen it today as well, parked up, lurking) is now cross-referencing your car details for insurance, so beware. Probably the same way that when you can buy your car tax online (one good thing they do, instead of having to queue up behind some crusty, deaf, flatulent old duffer in the post office) you can now buy online, and they check your MOT AND insurance electronically there and then.

BAH HUMBUG!!!

[BenG]

LOL, don't they advertise that computer as following you everywhere too?:D I think part of that advert is meant to scare you, although, a big black box sat in the back of your car is hardly an 18 rated horror movie is it? LOL

Let's just say England sucks, there are some nice people, and some not nice people, but the latter are ruining this country's society as a whole;)

[losidan]

For all our slagging, it could be worse. Imagine if you lived in nicaragua...

[DCM]

There is one difference, Nicaragua has never reached the civility that we have had, the UK on the other hand seems to of reached the top and is on the slippery slope the other side (for the time being that is).

[losidan]

There is one difference, Nicaragua has never reached the civility that we have had, the UK on the other hand seems to of reached the top and is on the slippery slope the other side (for the time being that is).

while that is true, when comparing our gripes to issues in other countries, they really do pale into insignificane don't you think?

[DCM]

depends on your perspective, where as in other countries, it is a society growing up, in this country, ours is going for its second childhood, and a rather naughty one to.

I know the UK is a lot better and safer than a LOT of other countries, but over the past 20 years, it has realy gone backwards, lawlesness, no respect for property etc.... I felt far safer going to town when I was 16/17/18 (and not out of ignorance) than I would now.

[losidan]

I dont disagree with you regarding the uk and accept your point that I cite a country which is just developing, I just feel that yes we do get hacked off about the things raised on here but when compared to the problems some people face we should count our blessings. I wont bore with examples, you know them all.

[DCM]

No, I think we all appreciate what we have, and no arguments there, but it leaves no excuse from what is dissapearing from our society.

[Southwell]

I don't understand this age of going out at all hours just to cause trouble, when i was in my teens i didn't go around doing those kind of things and neither did any of my mates.

Round here has been getting fairly bad too, some kid lost an eye when a gang of 14 year olds almost beat him to death with a fence post, then started on his girlfriend!!

I was jumped a few years back while walking home from a mates and ended up having my top lip ripped open, luckily didn't scar, but completely unprovoked. Found out later they were on drugs!

Spose iam lucky being on the outskirts of the crappy areas here so we don't get any trouble.
Ill be moving out at the beginning of next year, not looking forward to paying 180k for a house and cars and having them get smashed up by some little chav scum :(

[DCM]

I still think the Spanish cops got the right attitude, allowed to give a little 'slap' to make sure the thugs know who is in charge.

Whereas, when I was a teenager, yes people got jumped, we had fights, but more oftern it was between gangs, or just generaly two people pissed each other off enough, they fight. Now you can be walking down the road and be lamped for no reason, except it is funny to them, or happy slapped, or someone dislikes your trainers, or likes them so thinks you shouldn't be wearing them and they should.

If a political party turned around and stated that they would reinstate corporal punishment, give control of the classrooms back to the teachers and the streets back to the innocent and Police, they would get my vote.