Formula 1

[Col]

Bad news as far as I'm concerned.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9550930.stm

[cmgreen]

Shite shite shite, poor by the bbc! :thumbsup:

[mikeyscott]

My days of watching F1 are even more numbered now.

On one aspect I say fair play to BBC as they have to reduce their spend.

Shame sky hasn't got Sky motorsports as I'd pay for that. I.e. nascar, btcc, le mans, f1.

[Balders]

Has to be the worst news I've read all day.. :thumbdown:

[cwp]

Not a good day for F1.
I hope the BBC can still show replays.

[mrspeedy]

Agree'd ...

I don't think the BBC has ever been fully committed to Motorsport, this just proves it :thumbdown:

[mikeyscott]

Personally I don't think the tax payer should be paying for broadcasting F1, wimbledon etc. That's what commercial TV is for like ITV, Sky etc.

[eyeayen]

Agree'd ...

I don't think the BBC has ever been fully committed to Motorsport, this just proves it :thumbdown:

I've lost interest in F1 but this is still a shame. However I can't fault their coverage of the Moto GP. The commentators on sky for it are dull and stroke their beards far too much. The BBC commentators are ace. Likewise when I've watched F1 recently Jake Humphrey is doing a good job ! It's a shame but Sky is a business and it had a chance to buy it so they did. I wonder what the viewing figures will do now ?

[DCM]

F1 should be free to view, and I see the contructors have asked for clarification.

[bodgit]

Its all going to go downhill for F1 as far as Im concerned. In the seventies I used to enjoy the bbc coverage of boxing. I knew who all the boxers were as the beep showed all the fights. Since sky got big and took over most of the sports coverage I barely know any boxers british or otherwise.
I dont see myself watching every other race live and highlights on the beep.

[mikeyscott]

F1 should be free to view, and I see the contructors have asked for clarification.

In the current economic climate why should a tax funded service be spending millions on F1? Yes it can be fun, but value for money for the tax payer? No.

PS no I don't work in the civil service - thank god.

[bodgit]

Although I hated the advert breaks I would rather see it back on itv.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

In the current economic climate why should a tax funded service be spending millions on F1? Yes it can be fun, but value for money for the tax payer? No.

PS no I don't work in the civil service - thank god.

Same goes for the Olympics in 2012

PS no I don't work in the civil service;)

[poopers]

Aye, this is crap news, the teams can’t be too happy either.

Mind you, it’s a good time to point out to friends that they now have time to race RC cars at the weekend if they’re not glued to the telly.:thumbsup:

[Nige]

In the current economic climate why should a tax funded service be spending millions on F1? Yes it can be fun, but value for money for the tax payer? No.

PS no I don't work in the civil service - thank god.


There's many things that the BBC spends the licence fee income on, which some some wouldn't class as value for money. Such as Eastenders, Casualty, Wimbledon, Golf, Olympics next year and loads of other things so why not continue with F1 :thumbdown: It really is a pants decision :mad:

[/tobys]

Bad news really.

All F1 viewers should boycott any Sky coverage so it becomes glaringly obvious in the viewing figures what the fans want and where...

[qatmix]

The thing is F1 now has 10million viewers on the BBC. Thats a lot of viewers way higher than all of the expensive drama shows etc that they pump out. So the economics related to viewers and cost is ignored due to internal snobbery etc.

I'm gutted, its been a regular program for me since I was a lad watching it with my dad, and now my lad watches it with me..

Hopefully the replay show will be as good as match of the day is and it will be a good substitute

[reg]

so does this mean if we dont want sky we just get 3 live races to watch all year on the bbc,or can we see all the other races repeated on bbc something channel

[bodgit]

You are going to get half of the races live on bbc or pay I think £20.25 a month to see it on sky sports.
Here's the bbc explanation , they think wimbledon golf and horseracing is far more important. see video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9550930.stm

[sldmodels]

I'm not keen on some Sky commentators, so if I do watch the races on Sky, I might just press the mute button and listen the Radio 5 coverage, but then the pictures to sound maybe out of sync a bit.

[longy8ight]

i too think this news is shite! actually gutted as i love to watch f1,but i refuse to get sky as i think £50 odd a month for a load of repeats and shit telly is a rip off. i hope the highlights are as good as match of the day if not its bye bye f1 for me :thumbdown::cry:

[bodgit]

Its not about hoping the highlights are good. Its all about avoiding the result untill they come on bbc. The one race I missed in 17 years I recorded on old vhs, but while I was rewinding the bloody news was on without thinking to turn the volume down while rewinding the race winner was announced.
How many people are going to have to lock themselves away all day and not turn on the tv or laptop for fear of ruining the highlights.

[longy8ight]

Its not about hoping the highlights are good. Its all about avoiding the result untill they come on bbc. The one race I missed in 17 years I recorded on old vhs, but while I was rewinding the bloody news was on without thinking to turn the volume down while rewinding the race winner was announced.
How many people are going to have to lock themselves away all day and not turn on the tv or laptop for fear of ruining the highlights.

so true its going to be hard to go all day without knowing the result.

[racingdwarf]

think sky are hopeing the F1 massive are all going to get sky no matter what the cost,and line their fat little pockets! Think, and hope this backfires on F1:mad:, need to have more respect of there audience,

[telboy]

I'm hoping that there are very few people convert to sky, and everyone just waits until later in the evening and watches the highlights on the beeb. lol

i can just see it being a couple of no-ones sat in a studio doing the 'discussion' thing, rather than having presenters actually there at the races. :(

It will be interesting to see who they get to do the comentary.

[SlowOne]

Agree'd ...

I don't think the BBC has ever been fully committed to Motorsport, this just proves it :thumbdown:The BBC is fully committed to reducing costs as demanded by us, the voters. They were always committed to F1 when it cost much less to broadcast, but we, the voters, think £200m is a waste of money and we demand that they save the money.

Bad news really.

All F1 viewers should boycott any Sky coverage so it becomes glaringly obvious in the viewing figures what the fans want and where...Been doing that since Murdoch bought the Sun in 1969 - have never, and would never, put 1p into his company. Most people put me down as a left-wing loony then - Sky was the future!! It's amazing how many people have recently told me I was right about Murdoch... ;)

You are going to get half of the races live on bbc or pay I think £20.25 a month to see it on sky sports.
Here's the bbc explanation , they think wimbledon golf and horseracing is far more important. see video
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/9550930.stmFunny how they are so keen on sports that cost almost bugger all to get the rights for... Or rather, see the point above about what we, the voters, think we should pay the rights for...

I'm not keen on some Sky commentators, so if I do watch the races on Sky, I might just press the mute button and listen the Radio 5 coverage, but then the pictures to sound maybe out of sync a bit.All pictures come from Bernie's TV feed, so everyone gets the same pics including the R5 commentators. Ever noticed that ALL F1 footage belongs to Bernie? It says Copyright F1 Administration on all the BBC footage, and everyone else's too. Great deal he does that Mr. E, charges people to show his pictures and then keeps the copyright so he can charge them to show the pictures again!! You'll be fine with Sky pics and R5 talk.

think sky are hopeing the F1 massive are all going to get sky no matter what the cost,and line their fat little pockets! Think, and hope this backfires on F1:mad:, need to have more respect of there audience,What, like we all said would happen when they nicked the footie... and millions of people went out and bought Sky footie packages and made the company viable. It's a nice thought, but whatever we all thought wouldn't work about their business model when they paid huge amounts for the footie, we were wrong. It works like a charm. Buy up the sports rights and people will sign up to Sky. 10.3 million subscribers and growing...

I don't like it, but it is what people want - less money spent on the BBC and more choice like having it on Sky. I'll just have to suck it up!! :thumbdown:

One small light in the tunnel - there's a rumour the Concorde agreement contains a requirement for F1 to be free-to-air in some countries. Apparently the Constructors might raise this with Bernie...

[bodgit]

It will be interesting to see how advertiser/sponsers react. I wonder if they will try to reduce payments to the teams as they will not get the same coverage in repeats as they do live.

[mikeyscott]

It will be interesting to see how advertiser/sponsers react. I wonder if they will try to reduce payments to the teams as they will not get the same coverage in repeats as they do live.

Remember it's aglobal Market. It's fia cameras that show the coverage. Key thing is what percentage are uk viewers.

[Nige]

Earlier in the month Renault pulled all advertising out from all News International publications: http://www.marketingweek.co.uk/sectors/automotives/renault-pulls-ads-from-all-news-int-newspapers/3028272.article

Appreciate that Renault are, I believe, a minority shareholder of the F1 team, but will be interesting to hear feedback with regards to the SKY deal from the F1 teams. Surely they can't all be in favour of it.

[MattW]

Latest to come from a meeting today seems to suggest that the beeb will infact show the full race (obviously time shifted) instead of highlights for the races that they don't do live.

The general view seems to be that the concorde agreement isn't an issue. Bernie isn't completely stupid, he knows what's in the agreement as well or better than anyone, so he wouldn't do anything that he knows is against it.

Part of me isn't so bothered on a personal level. I'm a sky subscriber, so in theory it won't make a massive difference. That said, the cynic in me thinks it's unlikely that the coverage will be as good as it has been on the BBC for the last couple of years. The beeb's coverage has been getting better and better IMHO, and it's a shame to at least partially lose that.

That said, the "knowledge" in the beeb's coverage is debatable, they do miss a lot of things that are actually going on in a race.

The team's sponsorship is an interesting one. I wouldn't be surprised if it does cause some of the UK based teams some issues. F1 is a world wide sport, and this does only effect 50% of races in 1 country. However, it depends on how they have negotiated their deals. If it comes out that this does satisfy the Concorde agreement, but doesn't satisfy team's sponsors, they maybe they've negotiated something that they shouldn't really have done.

Just have to wait and see what happens I guess.

Btw - News corp do currently only own 39% of BSkyB, although as we know they have tried to buy the rest of it out as well.

[Rebelrc]

Shite news:thumbdown:
i dont watch much tv....so have no sky...only really watch the f1...what a waste of my license fee:bored:
stupid bernie...take off that stupid wig its obviously affecting your brains common sense gland:mad:

[Maddy]

cant believe the shocking news,followed F1 for some 35 years and now im told i have to pay sky to watch it,whats all that about? Bernie Ecclestone keeps saying WE want to make F1 more exciting for the viewers at this rate there wont be any viewers,i cant afford the sports package,what is it £40.00 a month all in? not a cat in hells chance,id rather buy spares than give my money to the greedy B@st@rds. THANKS ALOT SKY:thumbdown:

[reg]

i blame Jake H,i think its his doing after giving Mr E a hard time in the interview about back handers:lol:.....i bet the pubs will do well out of it to........

[Alan1467]

I've lost interest in F1 but this is still a shame. However I can't fault their coverage of the Moto GP. The commentators on sky for it are dull and stroke their beards far too much. The BBC commentators are ace. Likewise when I've watched F1 recently Jake Humphrey is doing a good job ! It's a shame but Sky is a business and it had a chance to buy it so they did. I wonder what the viewing figures will do now ?

It also looks like the BBC will be dropping moto GP as well so some are saying

[SlowOne]

It's interesting this. As far as I can make out...

2010 total worldwide F1 viewing figures - 500m people
Total revenue to F1 in 2010 - £520m consisting of "£260m from TV and £260m from race organisers to stage their races.
Sky/BBC deal £360m over six years, or £60m a year.

So it seems that Sky/BBC are paying 25% of the TV revenue. BBC do feed other countries, so I guess Sky will do the same.

Bearing in mind this all comes from unsubstantiated reports on 'tinterweb' it might not be right, but across several sources it seems to be in the general ballpark. 50% of the revenues seem to go to the teams in the form of prize money in the Constructors Championship, for which, IIRC, first prize is about £80m.

It doesn't make sense to me that one UK broadcaster pays a quarter of the revenue, so if anyone else has better information, let's read it. From an advertising viewpoint, losing (at worst) 60m viewers (20 GPs x 3m people watching in the UK) from a total of 500m isn't going to get the advertisers too hot and bothered! If the time-shift idea comes in then possibly they will lose no viewers. If they were going to time-shift it, then 7pm on BBC 3 would mean I'd miss less of them when I am racing!! :thumbsup:

[bodgit]

Looks like the bbc have gagged the presenters from saying anything about it. All we got from Jake was Im sure your aware of goings on but we're going to talk about whats happening ONTRACK.
For gods sake when Dierdrie got put in prison a few years back it questions were raised in the commons . The NOTW crap is all over the place and again in the commons so lets hope some mp has the balls to challange this.

[SlowOne]

It appears that BBC was paying £40m a year for TV rights. Under the new deal BBC pay £18m a year, and Sky pay £36m a year. So Bernie has managed to get another £14m a year out of UK TV rights for the teams to share. Don't see them making any waves...

No one is going to challenge this. It's a commercial deal that was negotiated freely by all the parties (although rumour has it the BBC frog-marched Sky to see Bernie!) and within any Laws that matter.

It's a done deal chaps. We can only hope that BBC can agree to time-shift the GPs they don't do live by a couple of hours so we can avoid having to become hermits between the GP and the highlights to avoid hearing the result!!

[Alfonzo]

It's utter ballbag. I'm gutted. I don't want bloody Sky shite. Being able to watch the F1 on iplayer has been fantastic and the coverage the Beeb does is second to none.


W*nkers.

[Southwell]

It also looks like the BBC will be dropping moto GP as well so some are saying

Good, back to Eurosport live i hope. The BBC Moto GP commentators are rubbish.

[JohnM]

It's utter ballbag. I'm gutted. I don't want bloody Sky shite. Being able to watch the F1 on iplayer has been fantastic and the coverage the Beeb does is second to none.


W*nkers.

Guess I'm the only one looking forward to next year then, the one year Sky did show F1 on pay per view blew every thing ITV or the BBC have done before or since;)

Plus Martin Brundle is out of contract with the beeb at the end of the year, look to see Sky send lots of £s his way to.

[JohnM]

Good, back to Eurosport live i hope. The BBC Moto GP commentators are rubbish.

+1 the two muppets on BBC ruin what used to be good racing.

[reg]

martin was talking about driver contracts,he said do david "what drivers do you see standing behind us in the dole line next year"

[MattW]

Word from James Allen this afternoon was that Sky and BBC would share the production, and commentary - with the only differences being the "hosts" - Jake H etc.

At the end of the day, it's as PDW says, a business deal. The general view is that without this "share", the BBC would not be showing any of it - it would seem that it is entirely their choice to not show it all. This is why I've found it a little odd that everyone is getting pi$$ed with Bernie and Sky, when in reality, it appears to have been the BBC that has decided they don't want it all. I honestly don't think Bernie would have looked to change if BBC had wanted to carry on.

[JohnM]

martin was talking about driver contracts,he said do david "what drivers do you see standing behind us in the dole line next year"


That isn't what I was on about, on Friday he tweeted about not being impressed by what happened, and that he was out of contract at the end of this year, think I read it on Autosport Friday afternoon.

[reg]

That isn't what I was on about, on Friday he tweeted about not being impressed by what happened, and that he was out of contract at the end of this year, think I read it on Autosport Friday afternoon.


john i wasnt comenting on any post apart from someone said they must have a gaging order,i just thought it was funny he said it

[Alfonzo]

Guess I'm the only one looking forward to next year then, the one year Sky did show F1 on pay per view blew every thing ITV or the BBC have done before or since;)

Plus Martin Brundle is out of contract with the beeb at the end of the year, look to see Sky send lots of £s his way to.

Well if you already pay whatever unreasonable sum of money it is for the Sky channels, then yeah I don't suppose you're bothered. How it blows the BBC coverage away I can't imagine, though I look forward to finding out when we come round yours next year to watch :D

Seriously though - in these times a lot of people simply can't afford Sky hence the feeling of being robbed.

[Alfonzo]

http://www.petitionbuzz.com/petitions/keepf1onthebbc

[RudolfXC]

If the old BBC deal ran to the end of 2013, I don't see why they should share the coverage until 2014?

[qatmix]

Well if you already pay whatever unreasonable sum of money it is for the Sky channels, then yeah I don't suppose you're bothered. How it blows the BBC coverage away I can't imagine, though I look forward to finding out when we come round yours next year to watch :D

Seriously though - in these times a lot of people simply can't afford Sky hence the feeling of being robbed.

I think its not that simple, a lot of people are also ideologically opposed to Sky on lots of levels.

The BBC coverage has been immense, the best thing is that its informed, I dont car for swishing TV idents etc.

Personally I can live with not all being live, its not ideal but at least its going to be on BBC.

[reg]

be good if they have the two that do the free practice on the red button