Schumacher Yellows vs other brand tyres

[deano261]

is there any difference between the Schumacher Yellows than any other brand because on my Ansmann Mad Rat i ran through the stock tyres in no time after upgrading to a 6.5t motor. So i was wondering if they would last longer.

[Big G]

well Yellows are the 2nd softest in the range...
Get Blue if you want them to last longer

remember the tyre that grips twice as hard wears out twice as fast (not literally) :D

[Skye]

well Yellows are the 2nd softest in the range...
Get Blue if you want them to last longer

I would have put Yellows as third softest, with Silver first, then Green, then Yellow....? :eh?:

[Big G]

green are harder than yellow

silver - yellow - green - blue
soft -----------------------hard

[RogerM]

Yellow is "softer" than greens mate.

What is "no time", dependant on surface you would expect to get a usable life of 2-3 meetings out of yellow minispikes BUT a new tire will always have more forward drive hence why youoften see the fast boys putting a couple of sets on a day at meetings that really matter.

[cmgreen]

nope

[Skye]

Are greens a different type of rubber then or something, as they feel softer in the hand than yellows... :confused:

[i4n]

Ballistic Greens feel softer then Schumi yellows to me.

Shumi greens are harder than their yellows. You can easily feel the difference.

[Skye]

Maybe I am getting myself confused. :eh?: I am going to have to check tonight when I get home now!

[super__dan]

No, you're exactly right IMHO, they are different and wear differently on different surfaces. Also Schumacher greeens are usually only use for one run when the edge is fresh where as Yellows when used for the right conditions are usefull proportionally longer, again surface / track specific.

[super__dan]

Also Shumacher greens feel softer to me than Yellows when new but age rapidly once out of the packet and quickly feel hard. I've some 2 year old ones in my box that are as hard as blues.

[i4n]

Also Shumacher greens feel softer to me than Yellows when new but age rapidly once out of the packet and quickly feel hard. I've some 2 year old ones in my box that are as hard as blues.

Ohhhh, that might explain it. I haven't had new schumi greens for a while and mine are a year or so old.

[Stu]

I would have put Yellows as third softest, with Silver first, then Green, then Yellow....? :eh?:

That's basically correct, but it's a little more complex than just 'softess'

Yellow & Blue are the same sort of rubber (same ingredients in the mix), yellow being a softer compund, the mixture balance is different.

Greens are made of a different type rubber, they have lots of natural rubber in them so they are very soft when new but go hard over time. Greens were originally developed for use on dirt, they are like a Proline type rubber. Old ones need to be binned, I keep mine wraped in clingfilm to stop them air hardening.

I'm not sure what Silvers are, the rubber recepie feels different again to me, but this may just be due to them being very soft. They feel similar to what was called 'Bibex' back in the day, they may be the same.

There is also Red, very hard rubber similar to yellow & blue - discontinued some years ago.

Silver (bibex?)
Green
Yellow
Blue
Red

[Darren Boyle]

.....and to add to the BIBX you mention there was "pink" as well some time ago, that used to "sweat" in the bag and literally come out wet......... they were mega soft!

[Stu]

Maybe Tom could talk to Robin and get a full tale for us - I'd be intersted in it from someone who really knows the exact history.

[c0sie]

Not wishing to get this thread back on topic or anything daft like that, but Deano are you asking whether Schumacher yellow tyres (pins/spikes) will last longer than your standard Ansmann kit tyres?

[manic]

Tyres are the most import part in any motor sport big or small. They are yhe bit that hold you to the yrack.get the choise wrong and you might as well drive backwards..

Manic

[mikeyscott]

.....and to add to the BIBX you mention there was "pink" as well some time ago, that used to "sweat" in the bag and literally come out wet......... they were mega soft!

So I'm not going mad when I saw some pink Schumachers on ebay recently..

[Skye]

they have lots of natural rubber in them so they are very soft when new but go hard over time.

I didnt know this, I have some brand new ones glued up in my pitbox in case they are needed in a hurry, but have just been sitting there exposed to the air for the last month. I will be cling-filming them tonight then! :thumbsup:

[mattybucks]

Not wishing to get this thread back on topic or anything daft like that, but Deano are you asking whether Schumacher yellow tyres (pins/spikes) will last longer than your standard Ansmann kit tyres?

Who knows........

It depends on the compound, surface, driving style, car, 2wn or 4wd. We all use Schumacher as they are the most competative tyre on many surfaces that can be used at Nationals, Regional, and Club meetings.

If there's a controlled tyre in usually a Schumacher. (apart from the vets)

[deano261]

Not wishing to get this thread back on topic or anything daft like that, but Deano are you asking whether Schumacher yellow tyres (pins/spikes) will last longer than your standard Ansmann kit tyres?

Yeah i was as i am on a limited budget and to get a full set of schumachers with inserts and rims im looking at around 35 quid and wondered is it worth getting them or any other compound as im now aware there are.

as a note i normally do indoor carpet racing and bash around on tarmac mostly but i do want to start experimenting on a proper off road track

[lordnikon]

Reuse the existing ansmann wheels, tyres and inserts then are like £20 max.

[mattybucks]

Re-use the insert as well.

[lordnikon]

The standard insert on the ansmanns is terrible. I would recommend for the sake of £2 to get a Schumie tubby for the rears at the sametime. :thumbsup:

[mattybucks]

The standard insert on the ansmanns is terrible. I would recommend for the sake of £2 to get a Schumie tubby for the rears at the sametime. :thumbsup:

Mr 'O's for me everytime.

[deano261]

The standard insert on the ansmanns is terrible. I would recommend for the sake of £2 to get a Schumie tubby for the rears at the sametime. :thumbsup:

whats the difference between the normal schumacher foam and the tubby foam


And whats the best way to get the existing glue off the original tyres

[Col]

as a note i normally do indoor carpet racing and bash around on tarmac mostly but i do want to start experimenting on a proper off road track

That's why. Unless you've got tarmac tyres avoid tarmac.

[lordnikon]

I'll be quite honest and say i have no idea on the difference :blush::thumbsup: - I assume that the tubby is just 'bigger' lol

Tyre removal, 1. Slice tyre with a suitable knife, 2. Remove crappy foam insert, 3. Fill an OLD pot/pan with water, 4. Open windows/put on extractor fan, 5. Put wheels and split tyres in pot/pan, 6. Bring to boil and leave for 20mins or so boiling, 7. Remove wheels and tyres (not with hand ! lol) 8. Peel off tyre from wheel.

I've done 5 sets now with no problems :thumbsup:

whats the difference between the normal schumacher foam and the tubby foam


And whats the best way to get the existing glue off the original tyres

[budgio]

whats the best way to get the existing glue off the original tyres

use ACETONE for the removal of tires (it depends on which glue you use)

[deano261]

so are tarmac tyres just the same as on road tyres then or are they a totally different thing

[budgio]

If your using your Mad rat on the tarmac i suggest you try some proline Dirt hawgs
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?q=proline+dirt+hawg&hl=en&prmd=ivns&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1680&bih=858&wrapid=tlif131361671202810&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=245894253617535008&sa=X&ei=XzNMTv6KIIXDhAf4m8WCCA&ved=0CEgQ8wIwAA#

[deano261]

what type of fitting are they and would they be ok for racing then or not

[Big G]

whats the difference between the normal schumacher foam and the tubby foam


From Schumacher :)
Tubby Insert; Front - CAT (pr) - gives more fill of the tyre carcass.

[deano261]

so essentially it just depends if you want the carcass to be fully filled you buy one and if not you buy the other

[Col]

what type of fitting are they and would they be ok for racing then or not

You buy the tyres, not the wheels. I've never raced at a track that uses dirt hawgs.
Bashing and racing do not generally mix well.

[Wupding]

whats the difference between the normal schumacher foam and the tubby foam


And whats the best way to get the existing glue off the original tyres


1. Buy a clip down lunch box... Asda £2

2. Buy Acetone.... Hair salon suppliers

3. Get a little block of wood about 1inch thick and place at the bottom of the lunch box

4. Poor the acertone into the lunch box and fill till your about 5mm from the top of the 1 inch piece of wood

5. Place tyres on top of wood and NOT into the liquid

6. Clip the top on the lunchbox and leave for about 24hrs

7. Make sure you do step 6.... Or you will be as high as a kite

8. After 24hrs simply peel off your old tyres from your rims... Foam in tact.... rims in tact... JOB DONE

9. Use remaining Acetone to do you r nail varish ( or is that just me )

[jim76]

Basically if you buy tyres for racing on a track then you shouldn;t use them to bash in the road as this will wear them out in no time.
Track tyres are designed for maximum grip and are therefore soft. Tarmac tyres are harder and designed to last longer, but will be rubbish on a carpet or astro track.

If you are serious about racing then you won;t need to go bashing in a street as this won;t help your car, tyres or driving ability.

Buy a monster truck or something for the street!!