Why are UK prices so expensive!?

[Skye]

I was just wondering, are there any reasons why we cant / dont buy car kits from overseas?

And also, why are we paying so much more than other countries in the first place? :confused:

For example....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kyosho-30079B-Lazer-ZX-5-FS2-Kit-/320618008426?pt=Radio_Control_Vehicles&hash=item4aa6528f6a

This is a seller on eBay based in St Louis, USA. The car in question is the Kyosho FS2, so Japanese and would have had to be shipped there just as they have to be shipped here. It is brand new and is being sold by a business, as opposed to someone selling privately.

The price is $424.87 which converts to £257.48.

Add on the shipping to the Uk ($61.30 or £37.15) and the total price is £294.63

So the total saving is £50. Not enough to retire on but £50 is not to be sniffed at....

So, I was just wondering two things.....

A, Why isnt everyone buying their kits from overseas? Are the extra hidden costs that have to be applied?

and

B, Why are our prices so much more in the first place. Ignoring the shipping fees, our kit price on this example is £100 more expensive!! :thumbdown:

Now I am all for supporting local business and the UK economy. I have never bought anything from overseas and am unlikely to do so.

However, I still feel that these are points worth consideration... :wtf:

[footey]

if you buy from abroad you can get hit with INPORT tax which can be quiet expensive

[Skye]

Would that apply when purchasing from a seller on eBay, as opposed to buying from a manufacturer where you are the first importer?

If so, then it would explain why people are not buying from overseas all the time.

But the other question would remain, why are our prices so much higher in the first place?

If the car in question was an AE or Losi I would get it. But its Japanese...... :confused:

[Naushad]

cos our vat is stupidly high...that's one thing!:mad:

[peetbee]

This has been covered in the past, but I can't find the old topic!

It roughly boils down to:
1) VAT gets applied in the UK
2) Import duties - gets applied to everything over approx £15 value regardless of how you bought it
3) UK distributors having to cover their costs - this can be advertising, sponsoring drivers, paying 1 & 2, replacing faulty/missing items, etc, etc
4) shipping costs

plus probably other costs too

[bodgit]

Type import in search then read all the old posts.

[Skye]

This has been covered in the past, but I can't find the old topic!

It roughly boils down to:
1) VAT gets applied in the UK
2) Import duties - gets applied to everything over approx £15 value regardless of how you bought it
3) UK distributors having to cover their costs - this can be advertising, sponsoring drivers, paying 1 & 2, replacing faulty/missing items, etc, etc
4) shipping costs

plus probably other costs too

But surely the USA has all these same costs with the only one perhaps being significantly different from ours being the level of the tax enquivalent to our VAT.

This isnt a UK retail bashing session, I think the vast majority of RC sellers we have in the UK are fantastic.

But it is aimed at bashing the system (by system I mean those who set the rules, not the sellers) a bit as I am yet to see a valid reason why we would have to pay £100 more for an identical kit than what they pay in the USA?

For the record, there is one particular UK based retailer who will be getting the sale for my next purchase as the level of customer service offered is out of the ordinary and so they deserve my support, even if it does leave me out of pocket by comparison.

So this is definately not an attack on our guys who do a great job, just me having a moan that we are once again getting screwed over by those in power, and looking for answers to justify it. As yet, I havent seen an explanation which suitably justifies the £100 price difference between UK and USA.... :thumbdown:

[Skye]

Thanks Bodgit, that confirms why people are not buying all their cars off ebay and shipping them over. :thumbsup:

It doesnt explain why we are paying so much here in the UK though in the first place.... :cry:

[tellor]

To give any correct anwer SKYE you will need to be financially aware of all the relevant countries VAT, TAX, NI, wages, inport export costs, GDP etc etc etc shall i go on

Lets just say it just as expensive over there as it is here, it's just that you don't live there, get paid by them and pay their bills.

If you want to buy overseas do it, take the risk, enjoying paying the postman COD and saving your tenner then regret it coz something is missing/broke and you have to send it back and it gets lost

Sometimes it's worth it, and the one time is isn't it's EXPENSIVE

[MK Racing]

The larger shops in the US by direct, the UK shops have to by from a distributor, that distributor has to make a profit plus cover shipping costs & import duty, then UK shops have to add a magin & 20% vat, most US shop prices don't include sales tax as can be differant state to state.......

Most shops in the UK discount the kits by 5-10% from list & offer free delivery, you would be shocked how little profit there is in kits....

[peetbee]

But surely the USA has all these same costs with the only one perhaps being significantly different from ours being the level of the tax enquivalent to our VAT.
They may have the same costs but they may not be at the same level as that imposed by the UK government
Also, are you comparing a 'bricks and mortar' store against an internet store price?

[Skye]

To give any correct anwer SKYE you will need to be financially aware of all the relevant countries VAT, TAX, NI, wages, inport export costs, GDP etc etc etc shall i go on

Lets just say it just as expensive over there as it is here, it's just that you don't live there, get paid by them and pay their bills.

If you want to buy overseas do it, take the risk, enjoying paying the postman COD and saving your tenner then regret it coz something is missing/broke and you have to send it back and it gets lost

Sometimes it's worth it, and the one time is isn't it's EXPENSIVE

You make many good points tellor. As I have previously said though, I was never actually looking to purchase from overseas. This whole thread came about by accident. I put ebay.com instead of ebay.co.uk and found myself looking at all these US postings I wasnt expecting.

The larger shops in the US by direct, the UK shops have to by from a distributor, that distributor has to make a profit plus cover shipping costs & import duty, then UK shops have to add a magin & 20% vat, most US shop prices don't include sales tax as can be differant state to state.......

Most shops in the UK discount the kits by 5-10% from list & offer free delivery, you would be shocked how little profit there is in kits....

This is all I need to know really, I work in B2B sales so know all about the middle man and everyone having to add their margin to make it pay. I have to admit to not thinking about the fact that you guys are buying your kits through distributors, but in light of this then there are no further questions your honour.... :p

They may have the same costs but they may not be at the same level as that imposed by the UK government
Also, are you comparing a 'bricks and mortar' store against an internet store price?

Another valid point, and one I dont know the answer to.....

I think its fair to say we have this nailed down now and I get it. Thanks for all the replies! :thumbsup:

[rondoolaa]

thats rip off britain for you, i dont think its the shops faults, its the governments, taxing the items imported to the shop owners, then wanting a percentage of the price items sell for in store,

even parts can be a lot dearer,

i do try to support my local shop and buy some bits most race nights, but when you have an alloy item that is £55 and i can get the same item from hongkong for £15 with postage included i know where i will get it,

in fact i've purchased 10 for the price of 3

[Tom3012]

Same with every singe item under the sun though, not just RC stuff :cry:

[jukeboxman]

One of the biggest excuses / reasons why stuff is cheaper stateside is the sheer size of their potential market - our population is a mere 62.5 million to America's 312 million, if the same percentage of people are modellers who do you think can demand and achieve better prices form manufacturers? Works the same way here, where supermarkets can buy in such vast quantities over independent shops - they tell the manufacturers how much they will pay for an item, not ask how much it is...

Buying direct from the far east is one thing, most of the stuff is made there, buying from the US means you're picking an item that has been shipped in serious bulk numbers compared to the relative few that are shipped here. Then you stick on import duty, VAT, middleman costings etc and suddenly it becomes very expensive.

[berry50]

I bought 2 x Associated SC10 FT kits, 1 x Futaba 4PL, 1 x Associated Allen Key Tool Set and 2 x Castle SCT systems from Tower Hobbies. With postage, import duty and Parcel Farce's £13 fee i saved just over £500 from buying in the UK. I did have a bad Castle esc which took 10 days to send back AND receive another one from Castle. I'm all for supporting local/UK shops, but money is money, and if i can save £500 then i'm afraid i will.

[mattybucks]

I bought 2 x Associated SC10 FT kits, 1 x Futaba 4PL, 1 x Associated Allen Key Tool Set and 2 x Castle SCT systems from Tower Hobbies. With postage, import duty and Parcel Farce's £13 fee i saved just over £500 from buying in the UK. I did have a bad Castle esc which took 10 days to send back AND receive another one from Castle. I'm all for supporting local/UK shops, but money is money, and if i can save £500 then i'm afraid i will.

The problem you have with buying from abroad is eventually all the uk model shops will close, or not stock products the people often buy from abroad. Then one midweek meeting (usually a friday) before a big meeting you'll break the car, not have a part, and not be able to fix you car in time for the big meeting.

[berry50]

Then one midweek meeting (usually a friday) before a big meeting you'll break the car, not have a part, and not be able to fix you car in time for the big meeting.

Not if you order a load of spares too with all the money that you've saved from buying abroad in the first place. I'm not saying it's good for UK shops. But there are some BIG saving to be made. Some stuff isn't any cheaper when you take into account import etc. But, prices are usually the same in $ as they are in £. And with Tower Hobbies discount code you can save more too. I saved an additional $250 off my order from them.

[racingdwarf]

All of this thred is true, nothing new, stuff has always been cheeper in the states, my dad used to bring loads of AE and novak stuff back for us kids:D,and yokomo stuff from japan most of which we couldn't get here for at least another couple of months, just these nasty computer things and the interweb has made the world so mutch smaller! we can now sit in our living room and look in shops all around the world for our parts & compair prices.in about 10min and then order without, speaking to a sole,not even pick up a phone or try and work out a time zone and pay without even reaching for our wallet and then it will most likley turn up in under a week
Try earning a decent living in the uk from r/c cars, TBH I don't know how people do!! rc is cheep realy look at what we will pay for mass produced crap like TV's,computers,sterios, fridges, designer clothes etc that are made to last no longer than a few years.This mass produced laptop I'm using now cost more than a durango 408,I wonder how many laptops HP sell compaired to durango 408's?

Way thing are going we may well end up having to go abroad for our stuff as you simply will be unable to get it here:cry:.

Try and support your LHS as mutch a poss, as if not they will go, poss soon followed by the local club and then our hobby

I agree, competative rc is costly, I can't afford everything I want,It's not to expencive...I just can't afford it on my budget:lol:.

[Si Coe]

Too true that its not just RC's.

Once (when we had a car industry) it was possible to buy a Rover in Holland and import it back to the UK for less than it cost to buy the same car in Birmingham just yards from the factory - except of course that Rover would never supply the Dutch dealers with RHD cars......

I have to admit I still can't fathom how other countries manage to run their state with lower taxes, lower prices and no obvious drop in the level of service. OK, some places don't quite have a National Health Service, but the cost of health insurance is less than the reduction in taxes over the UK, so they are still quids in.

[superdez]

There are a couple of reasons why the price of imported goods are higher in the U.K than US/Europe/Japan partly down to VAT, import duty etc, partly down to high property prices which feeds into higher wage demands and high rental costs.

You may also argue that various employment/trade/health & safety regulations have the effect of adding increased costs.

However, the main reason why prices are currently high in the U.K is that the £ has been devalued against dollar, yen and euro by around 30 to 40 percent since the credit crisis of 2008. Hence making imported goods more expensive than they were in 2007.

Devaluation, which incidentally was caused by quantitative easing and has been exasperated by 0.5% interest rates is great for the erosion of national debt through inflation, but not so great, if like the U.K is, a net importer of goods priced in dollars, yen etc.

An example of the hugely damaging policy that the bank of england and the government has embarked upon with regard to inflation and devaluation is fuel prices. During the crisis of 2008 oil rose to $150 a barrel yet petrol never rose above £1.20l. Today oil is trading at around $84 yet petrol is close to £1.40l


You also need to factor in the huge amount of quantitative easing that has gone on in america, which has caused a general spike in commodity prices globally.

Bit of a rant, but thats the main reasons.

[racingdwarf]

I agree, and also wish I could have spelt half of those words:lol:....well impressed

[SlowOne]

Too true that its not just RC's.

Once (when we had a car industry) it was possible to buy a Rover in Holland and import it back to the UK for less than it cost to buy the same car in Birmingham just yards from the factory - except of course that Rover would never supply the Dutch dealers with RHD cars......

I have to admit I still can't fathom how other countries manage to run their state with lower taxes, lower prices and no obvious drop in the level of service. OK, some places don't quite have a National Health Service, but the cost of health insurance is less than the reduction in taxes over the UK, so they are still quids in.The last bit's not correct, Si, and part of the continuing myth about our NHS. Healthcare costs for each of us are lowest in this country of almost any other country in the West. See this comparison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system

In the US, health care costs more than twice as much per person as it does here. Only if you are one of the 38% of people whose employer pays your medical cover does it come cheaper than in the UK, everyone else pays through insurance, etc.

Yes we pay for that through NI contributions, but if you have to buy health insurance you pay much more, sort of an indirect tax. HTH :)

[F1END]

That's fair enough for Japanese and American products, but what I find ridiculous is that I could buy a Schumacher Cougar SV from Amain Hobbies in USA and get it shipped here for less than I would pay for it here.

And I only live 10 mins from the Schumacher factory!

[Si Coe]

The last bit's not correct, Si, and part of the continuing myth about our NHS. Healthcare costs for each of us are lowest in this country of almost any other country in the West. See this comparison:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_system

In the US, health care costs more than twice as much per person as it does here. Only if you are one of the 38% of people whose employer pays your medical cover does it come cheaper than in the UK, everyone else pays through insurance, etc.

Yes we pay for that through NI contributions, but if you have to buy health insurance you pay much more, sort of an indirect tax. HTH :)

True - but even without NI their tax bill is also less. I wasn't popping at the NHS specifically, its just that it is the one major thing our taxes pay for the we wouldn't get in other countries.
What I am saying is that, if I lived in the US on the same income I have here, I'd have to pay health insurance yes, but the tax bill and cost of living is so much less that even after that I'd have more disposable income.

Whenever people complain about how much more we are taxed than other nations - someone always says 'Ah but we get free healthcare'. This is true, but the cost of the NHS is actually much less than the difference between taxation's.

In other words that extra money isn't all going into healthcare, so where does it go??????

[Skye]

That's fair enough for Japanese and American products, but what I find ridiculous is that I could buy a Schumacher Cougar SV from Amain Hobbies in USA and get it shipped here for less than I would pay for it here.

And I only live 10 mins from the Schumacher factory!

Just checked this out. The SV Pro CF from AMain is $330 which is £199.54.

A quick google search shows that it is around the £250 mark from UK retailers.

So it may not actually be much cheaper (if at all) from the USA by the time you add shipping and customs.

But.... I do agree with you to a point, when Schumachers factory is on Moulton Park industrial estate which I could physically drive to and pick up the goods from the door in about 20 minutes from my home, then I would expect to be paying less than people in the USA who have had to have to goods shipped half way around the world....

[bodgit]

That's fair enough for Japanese and American products, but what I find ridiculous is that I could buy a Schumacher Cougar SV from Amain Hobbies in USA and get it shipped here for less than I would pay for it here.

And I only live 10 mins from the Schumacher factory!

Why dont you drive to the factory or phone them and ask for the manager to explain why this is so. Why cant they have an over the counter price there at the production site.

[Si Coe]

Just checked this out. The SV Pro CF from AMain is $330 which is £199.54.

A quick google search shows that it is around the £250 mark from UK retailers.

So it may not actually be much cheaper (if at all) from the USA by the time you add shipping and customs.

But.... I do agree with you to a point, when Schumachers factory is on Moulton Park industrial estate which I could physically drive to and pick up the goods from the door in about 20 minutes from my home, then I would expect to be paying less than people in the USA who have had to have to goods shipped half way around the world....


Ahh - But you also need to compare it against the prices for a B4.1 and a TLR22. Those are also much cheaper in the US. The Cougar is simply priced close to its competition.
This does mean that in the UK market Schumacher (or the model shop, or the tax man) make more per car than in the US.

[Skye]

This does mean that in the UK market Schumacher (or the model shop, or the tax man) make more per car than in the US.

Judging on the comments from the respected views of people such as Marc and Darren etc, then I would say this is either option 1 or 3 as the shops dont seem to make much from the sale. This is the worst case scenario in my opinion. I would rather the shop on the street have the bigger margin, whereas in reality it seems like either the manufacturer or tax man fill their boots whilst the shops still struggle by on minimal margins... :thumbdown:

[Cosworth]

we Just love being brutally raped with several fingers :)

[longy8ight]

The question "why do we pay way well over the top for everything in this shit hole of a country"

Well my opinion is this: Like myself millions of people get up and go to work everyday to earn a living,in doing so we get rapped every payday with tax.We have a government that looks after this money and decides what to spend it on best.BUT THEY DONT SPEND IT ON WHATS BEST. for years mp's have been feathering their own nests,giving our tax money to every tom,dick and harry in some far off place,wasting it on stupid shit e.g the millenium dome 800m odd! paying people that cant be arsed to get off their arses and go to fucking work! making it too easy for these little sket girls to have kids and get a house all paid for and money every week for nothing! having all these foriegners here claiming our tax money in benifits and then sending it to their homeland to help their poor families wtf?

these are just a few things i can think off,some people my think im talking shit,but its the truth,we as a nation all moan about stuff,but wont do FA about it.

I'm affraid if your a hard working brit then we will just have to sit back and keep getting rapped by the government.

[davidmog99]

There are a couple of reasons why the price of imported goods are higher in the U.K than US/Europe/Japan partly down to VAT, import duty etc, partly down to high property prices which feeds into higher wage demands and high rental costs.

You may also argue that various employment/trade/health & safety regulations have the effect of adding increased costs.

However, the main reason why prices are currently high in the U.K is that the £ has been devalued against dollar, yen and euro by around 30 to 40 percent since the credit crisis of 2008. Hence making imported goods more expensive than they were in 2007.

Devaluation, which incidentally was caused by quantitative easing and has been exasperated by 0.5% interest rates is great for the erosion of national debt through inflation, but not so great, if like the U.K is, a net importer of goods priced in dollars, yen etc.

An example of the hugely damaging policy that the bank of england and the government has embarked upon with regard to inflation and devaluation is fuel prices. During the crisis of 2008 oil rose to $150 a barrel yet petrol never rose above £1.20l. Today oil is trading at around $84 yet petrol is close to £1.40l


You also need to factor in the huge amount of quantitative easing that has gone on in america, which has caused a general spike in commodity prices globally.

Bit of a rant, but thats the main reasons.

Absolutely nothing to do with devaluing of the pound to the dollar.
The pound anyone spends has almost the same value to the dollar, unless you work in currency exchange.
if this was the main reason for the price difference, it would not be worth importing goods from america indepenently, buying fom a U.S. shop, they would be too expensive. Its apparent the products are considerably cheaper in the states even INCLUDING the fact the pound is weak.
The post was about the reasons for the price difference, and the pound being weak is not the reason at all. Importers/Distributors pay import taxes, yes, but american import duties are usually higher, check with hmrc if you like.
And a GLOBAL commodity spike would affect prices GLOBALLY not explain one countries high prices compared to another.
There are many reasons why the prices are higher in the uk, transport costs, smaller market, higher sales taxes, etc, but the real reason in this case is the high prices charged to the model shops by the distributors.
Its ridiculous to blame the exchange rate when the exchange rate is the same for a private buyer. The model shops work hard and the distributors take the money, and thats how most business works in this country, whether you like it, or want to admit it, its true.

[Si Coe]

Also - items have been the same price in pounds or dollars for the last 25 years (that I know of at least) during which time the relative value of both currencies have gone up and down. Prices at the till don't change the same way - currency fluctuations mostly eat into importer margins.

That fact is that prices are set by the market. If we weren't prepared to pay those prices, then there would be no point trying to sell at them. That is way UK manufactured items are cheaper elsewhere in the world - nobody else would buy them for what they cost here.

If we all didn't buy, prices would come in line PDQ. Real car prices improved a lot once European law forced manufacturers to allow you to buy a UK spec model in Stuttgart. It was realised that it was no longer possible to charge a premium in the UK and to some extent it was reduced.

[davidmog99]

A couple of model shop staff i know well say the uk distributors are charging them more for a part with an official account than hong kong based sellers can sell one part for INCLUDING postage, from the other side of the planet.
Not a good way to support retailers.
Its a myth that vast stocks are held of these injection moulded parts. Its development and mould casting that costs the money, parts cost pence to produce after this, even on a small run.
Im not complaining about the price i have to pay, i just think the shop should be able to make a reasonable profit and survive!

[lochness42]

I have to laugh, you're angry that stuff in UK is expensive. What should I say? We've got same or even more expensive stuff and lower salaries than you do. Now that's annoying. ;)

[Nick Goodall]

Like Marc (MK) says Shops in the US buy direct, they can do that because they probably order 200+ of each kit whereas a smallish shop in the UK is probably only ordering 5-10 at a time

[mattr]

A couple of model shop staff i know well say the uk distributors are charging them more for a part with an official account than hong kong based sellers can sell one part for INCLUDING postage, from the other side of the planet.I get pretty much the same price difference from here to the UK. Which is what, 600 miles as the crow flies?

[andys]

The question "why do we pay way well over the top for everything in this shit hole of a country"

Well my opinion is this: Like myself millions of people get up and go to work everyday to earn a living,in doing so we get rapped every payday with tax.We have a government that looks after this money and decides what to spend it on best.BUT THEY DONT SPEND IT ON WHATS BEST. for years mp's have been feathering their own nests,giving our tax money to every tom,dick and harry in some far off place,wasting it on stupid shit e.g the millenium dome 800m odd! paying people that cant be arsed to get off their arses and go to fucking work! making it too easy for these little sket girls to have kids and get a house all paid for and money every week for nothing! having all these foriegners here claiming our tax money in benifits and then sending it to their homeland to help their poor families wtf?

these are just a few things i can think off,some people my think im talking shit,but its the truth,we as a nation all moan about stuff,but wont do FA about it.

I'm affraid if your a hard working brit then we will just have to sit back and keep getting rapped by the government.

Love it - you sound just like me !

Personally I think we are getting royally shafted at various points along the line - as has been suggested I would assume it's the distributers that are making a decent cut, not the shops.
Many years ago (when the pound was stronger) I bought a couple of kits and speedo's from Hong Kong & America and paid almost half what I would in the UK - crazy times.

These days I only support my local model shop. They are helpful, well stocked and normally have the stuff in I want or need. I also buy bits trackside as I want to support the local shop who bothers to bring a van load of stuff to race meetings.

I choose to spend my hard earned with people I think deserve my business, and I think that's very important. I want to support the people who help support my hobby in my local area.

[davidmog99]

To blame the low value of the pound to the dollar when discussing how much cheaper it is to import goods from america, using pounds exchanged for dollars is ridiculous.
Its like saying chinese made bread is expensive in Britain, and its cheaper if i buy chinese made bread from america. TOTAL BS.
In fact if you only have to buy a couple of hundred units to deal with the manufacturers directly, ill look into it.

[machinedred]

we pay oto because our government hit our tax payers so hard ie the shopkeeper because the government need the money to pay off debts

[rondoolaa]

The question "why do we pay way well over the top for everything in this shit hole of a country"

Well my opinion is this: Like myself millions of people get up and go to work everyday to earn a living,in doing so we get rapped every payday with tax.We have a government that looks after this money and decides what to spend it on best.BUT THEY DONT SPEND IT ON WHATS BEST. for years mp's have been feathering their own nests,giving our tax money to every tom,dick and harry in some far off place,wasting it on stupid shit e.g the millenium dome 800m odd! paying people that cant be arsed to get off their arses and go to fucking work! making it too easy for these little sket girls to have kids and get a house all paid for and money every week for nothing! having all these foriegners here claiming our tax money in benifits and then sending it to their homeland to help their poor families wtf?

these are just a few things i can think off,some people my think im talking shit,but its the truth,we as a nation all moan about stuff,but wont do FA about it.

I'm affraid if your a hard working brit then we will just have to sit back and keep getting rapped by the government.


i love this post, couldnt have put it better myself......


just a little thought, sterilize the skets and foriegners after 1 baby.. and tell the skets they will not get a house and the parents will have to support the living costs of their grandchild with the daughter/son,

(ps: i'm not racist, i have a few polish and czech friends)

[U1timate PigDog]

Quality thread by the way, but I believe that the reason that we pay alot more in this country for electrical goods, rc stuff etc etc is due to the fact that the market can with stand it,

we as customers will pay more for a product than say they would in the US, obviously alot of this has to do with the market of quality goods and in the US and other countries the market is more competetive which in turn drives down prices.

Us brits just choose to pay whatever price is set by the stores and just except that it is the price and pay it. Just my opinion.

[RogerM]

The problem you have with buying from abroad is eventually all the uk model shops will close, or not stock products the people often buy from abroad. Then one midweek meeting (usually a friday) before a big meeting you'll break the car, not have a part, and not be able to fix you car in time for the big meeting.

100% agree with this!!! Just to add remember who are behind many of the venues / events we all enjoy so much ... more than you think are connected to the RC supply industry in one way or another so it's highly possible that we would lose lots of venues/clubs/meetings too.

You'd all complain if you had to travel to USA / Hong Kong to race the cars you bought there wouldn't you!!! :woot:

[Skye]

You'd all complain if you had to travel to USA / Hong Kong to race the cars you bought there wouldn't you!!! :woot:

I actually quite fancy being an international racing driver.... Singapore this week, San Jose the next. I could get used to that lifestyle......

Anyone want to sponsor me? :p