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jimmy
02-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Just built this up for reviewage purposes - painted it last night and just put some touring wheel adaptors and GRP foams on there. Not sure what tyres I'll actually use tomorrow but looking forward to giving it a run - it seems like a really nice car.

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/misc/xray.jpg

k£v!n
02-02-2008, 06:55 PM
I love the shell, looking forward to the review! :thumbsup:

julius_makewar
03-02-2008, 01:36 AM
This is another Oople review Im really looking forward too, they are the best Ive seen in any magazine or on any other forum.
One thing in particular. The Older M18t chassis has a shorter wheelbase than the Associated RC18T and tended to have more front and back rotation in the air. The RC18T flew flatter and was easier to control. I hope you can let us know how it flies as i know it works great on the ground and steers like a dream with good stability.
Cheers

ashleyb4
03-02-2008, 05:59 AM
Nice cant wait to see it today :p

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ashleyb4
03-02-2008, 02:43 PM
saw jimmys little truck today looked ok today i liked the carbonfibre on it nice looking truck :) :thumbsup: get the pics up dude :thumbsup::thumbsup:

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jimmy
03-02-2008, 03:58 PM
yeah it was good, I needed more time to get it dialled though. considering it was the first time I've driven it 4th in the B was 'ok' but it should have been at least 2nd. Just drove like a plonker.
Not many photos today as I was changing setup every round to try and get a setup

werner1619
03-02-2008, 07:22 PM
Looks great,

I also have one of those.
Some advice, stock up on the drive shafts, they break quick!
Or get the aluminium one's.

W.

jimmy
03-02-2008, 07:27 PM
This is the M18T pro - the drive shafts are hudy spring steel and I can't imagine ever breaking one! :woot:

werner1619
03-02-2008, 08:00 PM
Oops,

Mine not the pro..:(
Have broken too many drive shafts. Thinking of converting the little bugger into a mini crawler..?

W.

clunk
03-02-2008, 08:20 PM
hi jimmy, i raced an m18t at the 1st two micro challanges,and the truck was great. the only problem that i had was that the front wishbones easily broke, which you may want to keep a check on,as the tracks now are tougher on cars than before.
the xray was always faaaassst tho !!!!!

jimmy
03-02-2008, 08:23 PM
the tracks are indeed MAD! I didn't have any spares like that - and there were no other Xrays there, so I was maybe lucky. but I'd heard about weaknesses before, and reading about the new car is what got me into the idea of reviewing it. There are loads of changes as far as I'm aware, not least of which is the much longer chassis. I was mainly stuggling with shocks today, getting the right damping and getting the car balanced

clunk
03-02-2008, 08:36 PM
i used to run the standard shocks 60wt oil front and 40wt rear. also tried the 3racing alloy shocks,but ended up going back to the stockers.
try running it without the sway bars on .
the new version does look good. looking forward to your review...

jimmy
03-02-2008, 08:51 PM
Thanks, I tried all sorts but ended up with 50wt front, 30wt rear - antiroll bar on the front, but removed from the rear. It was still a bit twitchy but I was using foams on touring wheels - and I don't think I really liked them. I'll try the kit tyres next or some minipins on touring wheels.

Seems pretty strong, I gave it a bit of testing :woot: seems a very nice car indeed. I just want it to go as well as it looks which isn't easy when it's the only one and I'm not an amazing driver.

clunk
03-02-2008, 09:07 PM
if your running on carpet,forget the kit tyres, foams are the best way. the gecko's seem to run very well on todays micros. touring car front tyres,37 or 40 shore on all rims. i'm tempted to get a new version, but will wait for your review....

jimmy
03-02-2008, 09:10 PM
I got the GRP foams just because many people seem to use foams - so I was 'joining in' haha.. but either they needed truing down or I'm just not suited to the way they drive. Craig harris was using the schumacher block tyres as usual and dominated - I think I will try the mini pins I have and see how I go with those.

I just found the foams to be quite twitchy and I guess unpredictable. I was using 40 shore front and 30/35 (cant remember) on the rear

clunk
03-02-2008, 09:33 PM
alot of the micro guys turn them down to just over the 50/52mm mark. your right,they do drive differenetly,but seem to be consistant throughout a meeting than rubber tyres.
same with most things,its down to personnal preferance and what works best for your driving style.
any more of your very nice pics??????????????

jimmy
03-02-2008, 09:36 PM
Of the Xray? not yet - I've got loads but want to keep them for the review which I'm just in the middle of.

clunk
03-02-2008, 09:45 PM
:woot::woot::woot: of the xray !!! what else do you have up your sleeve ???????
i'll let you get on with your review mate. don't know why more people in the uk dont race them, they seem to get good results stateside.

telboy
09-02-2008, 09:13 PM
Jimbo, what TC hex's did you use? The axle seem really thick to fit them onto.

jimmy
09-02-2008, 09:15 PM
not sure what you mean, I used the Xray hex adaptors - if you see them you'll understand.

big air
10-02-2008, 01:17 AM
like the paint job jimmy :thumbsup:

c0sie
12-02-2008, 11:37 AM
Jimmy,

I wonder if your foams are too hard for the car?

Alot of the RC18 drivers are using 30-35 shore maximum due to the light weight of the car.
It seems the harder foams work on the Blaze cos the Blaze is alot heavier.

Also I dont like the idea of using different compound foams F to R...being 4 wheel permenant drive surely you would suffer handlijg/grip issues by using different compounds?

Just a thought..hope it helps :)

Mini_Me
12-02-2008, 11:45 AM
Looks good.

Xray also offers a variety of foam tires in different shores for the Truck in the right diameter/offset. I know they aren't easily available where you are. Just a heads up though.

I noticed with the larger skinnier foams of Sedans the additional ground clearance provided too much roll and made the truck less neutral in the air. *

If you need more spring choices, the Rc18T springs can work by replacing the bottom retainer. Mini Quake (forgot the UK name) springs work as well. Both aren't the exact sizes so you might need to have some weird looking preload on the shocks.

Hit me up if you have any more Q's.

*Edit: Also, the larger sedan tires can actually create more breakage as they can glance on pipes easier causing more backlash up the suspension. And since the diameter is further from the axle center, more sideways pressure on the hubs under these conditions.

jimmy
12-02-2008, 11:55 AM
I just got hold of some rc18 springs - gonna try them tomorrow. to be honest though the car was pretty dialled last week and I won by a couple of laps. So I don't think I need to change it too much for that track.
I'm used to the harder front compound, I see it as cutting spikes on a buggy - so you have less grip up front. but I'm not used to foams so I'm not really sure if it works that way.
I used schumacher mini pins last week when I won the club meeting - I forgot to take my foams.

I'm currently running with 3mm limiters in the shocks and 20g of lead next to the motor

Mini_Me
12-02-2008, 12:16 PM
Cool beans. :thumbsup: As Im sure you already know, other than diameter changing. Foams (especially thinner side walls) wont absorb as much as the small imperfections of the surface it rides on. So your suspension might have to be slightly softer to compensate versus running rubbers. Foam shores effect this as well with the softer shores allowing a bit more absorption than the stiffer.

Just so you can get an idea of how small they run foams here, I have included a picture showing Zack Barrys three cars from the Nats warmup race. As you can get a better sense of tire diameters between them. This was at a carpet only "off-road" track, so the various surfaces you run on at once for the UK club meets may not apply.

From L to R
M18T w/Xray Foams. M18MT with Rubbers (Rules). M18"B" with Rubbers (Rules)

V-Rossi
02-03-2008, 08:18 PM
As I'm planning to build a circuit in my garden (carpet/grass/sand), I wanted to know if the Xray M18T (Pro) is reliable and handling well without having to mod it. Other options are the Asso RC18B (what do you like the most: buggy or stadium truck?) and Losi Mini-T Pro (although it is discontinued by Losi :cry:).

jimmy
02-03-2008, 08:34 PM
Handles very well and is reliable from what I can see - I've raced it 6 times and not broken anything and nothings fallen off etc. I actually put some hopups on it today but I don't think it really needs any hop ups.
Theres not that much you can change in terms of settings - but that's probably not a bad thing.

The one thing I put on it today, which is what all the Xray drivers at the meeting also tried, was a wing mount and a normal 18th scale buggy wing. This made a huge difference to the performance - it flew very well in the air and just felt a lot more planted and balanced and easier to drive.:thumbsup:

V-Rossi
02-03-2008, 08:37 PM
Thanks for the fast answer, I'll ask some opinions about the Asso RC18B and Mini-T Pro in an other topic, after all this one is about the Xray:)

c0sie
02-03-2008, 08:37 PM
And what a superb wing mount it was too!

telboy
03-03-2008, 12:14 AM
Haha, Jimmy's wing was AWESOME!!!:woot:

Mini_Me
03-03-2008, 04:41 AM
As I'm planning to build a circuit in my garden (carpet/grass/sand), I wanted to know if the Xray M18T (Pro) is reliable and handling well without having to mod it.

Sand, if its fine particles may cause some problems in the long run if you have a tendency to run it and forget it. If you however air hose it off after runs to help keep dust from migrating into the pivot crevices, you can expect a long life from your joints.

On another subject..

I'm afraid to ask about this wing... :wtf: ;)

V-Rossi
03-03-2008, 07:39 AM
Sand, if its fine particles may cause some problems in the long run if you have a tendency to run it and forget it. If you however air hose it off after runs to help keep dust from migrating into the pivot crevices, you can expect a long life from your joints.

I always clean my cars after a day of driving (not with air, but the better/slower way:)), so it shouldn't be a problem I hope.

chris_blakey
03-03-2008, 08:43 AM
Haha, Jimmy's wing was AWESOME!!!:woot:

yours and jimmys wings were equally spectacular! how to make a wing mount in 5 mins with minimal tools!! bloody funny

jimmy
03-03-2008, 11:08 AM
I tidied it up a bit last night and made it not quite so stupid looking! If anyone ever doubts the effects of even a small wing - I challenge them to race my car before and after!
Mark Stiles got 3RD in the A with his Xray which I think he was really pleased with. I won the B final and I think Tel got 6th in the B?

I need to find myself a scale looking wing now

frogger
03-03-2008, 11:18 AM
Jimmy, the wing that comes with the Kamtec Mako Blaze shell is one of the best looking 'scale' wings I know of. I had one on the back of my RC18T truck body as seen here:

http://carlventer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ex2.JPG

But saying that Dan and Simon Osbourne are making the Phatbodies Bender and Greedy wings for 18th scale cars as well.

jimmy
03-03-2008, 11:33 AM
how do I get in touch with those latter bad boys? I actually used one of the 'phat' wings at the weekend, but it was a prototype and borrowed so I had to give it back.
I've got an rc10B4 wing on the truck now! haha.

Chris Green
03-03-2008, 11:55 AM
Jimmy, Dan Osbourne is a member on here, user name Danosbourne6661.

c0sie
03-03-2008, 12:12 PM
Fancy a bender?

Body Paint
03-03-2008, 01:16 PM
I know someone who is very Greedy :p

Who ate all the cake?

Mini_Me
03-03-2008, 01:48 PM
Here is a blueprint (http://www.one18th.com/forums/showpost.php?p=429627&postcount=3) to cut out a tower clamp wing attachment. You can use the RC18B's wing mounts with it.

jimmy
03-03-2008, 02:00 PM
We were all using the same mount which was a L shaped bit of plastic cut from a track marker :) I used a FTX truck body mount for the actual wing mount - but Mark was using some really nice looking wing mounts from Maverick

mrspeedy
03-03-2008, 03:31 PM
IF ya need any wings or even a buggy shell, come see me or Dan on uk-microrc.

We have a section under Phat Bodies, there's pics on there of the 2 wings and a 4wd "Dudu" shell for the Blaze/ST that could well fit the Xray, and a 2wd "Dufus" shell that fits the Tamtech GB-01 and extended Mini t chassis.

HTH

Si.

jimmy
03-03-2008, 03:42 PM
Thanks Mr.Speedy, the 'BENDER' wing was the one I used from the looks of it - it was ace. I'm not a fan of the Blaze type shells if I'm honest, though they are much nicer than any truck in existence! :lol: So I'm looking at fitting a JConcepts miniBJ4 Illuzion - I heard it can be done.

Mini_Me
03-03-2008, 05:20 PM
Actually, the Mini BJ4 will fit the M18T, not the M18T pro. The Pro is 16mm longer, so the body isn't long enough.

jimmy
03-03-2008, 05:23 PM
Ah ok, perchance someone told me wrong :lol: Thanks for the heads up on that

mrspeedy
03-03-2008, 08:19 PM
The Dudu shell is longer than the RC18 buggy shell ;)

Mini_Me
04-03-2008, 05:26 AM
Yea, but its also not proportioned to the M18T. It would have these wide sides that just stuck out into space where all dust and dirt could be sucked right in underneath. You would need something closer to a narrower 1/10th 4wd buggy.

So speaking of which, I know I and at least 3 other people here in the US would be interested in a narrow form fitting buggy body that fit the Pro, Mr. Speedy (especially if you offered a lexan underpan as well to velcro the top to). :woot:

(I'm ignorant if you are Phat bodies, or just know them, sorry if the former).

c0sie
04-03-2008, 11:14 AM
He is Phat Bodies :)

Danosborne6661
09-03-2008, 04:54 PM
Just seen some pics from chesterfield
Loving the wing mount Jimmy :woot:

Mini_Me
04-05-2008, 07:37 AM
Here is my completed M18T Pro (for the most part).

Body is pretty fugly, but I had to give a call out since I did get some oOple stickers on it (almost felt like a shame doing so).

You can see my wing mounting system, and smaller servo as well.

For those who decide on the flight power lipos, they are thicker, so you will have to add shims under the battery retention posts. Otherwise they drop right in.

It has

Electronics:


Tekin Rage w/ latest firmware (smmoooth)
Aon 4900kv (temp)
FlightPower 1600mah 20C 2 cell lipo
Spektrum Micro Receiver
MRT PTX Micro Transponder
Extra Power Cap
Hitec HS65MG servo (temp until 5065mg becomes available)



(see the picture of the glowing bits )

Hop Ups:


Carbide Diff main and thrust balls
Xray Aluminum Shocks
3 Racing Aluminum Bellcrank
Xray Blue Sealed bearings in hubs
Yellow Rims
Losi Street Tires (good for carpet racing as well)
Anderson MB4 molded wing
Custom tower wing clamp and AE wing mounts
Rubber booties on shocks (party balloons)
T-bone Racing M18T Racing Bumper
RCScrewz screw set (not recommended considering the modifications I had to do to get them to fit in the metal pivots)

julius_makewar
06-05-2008, 03:13 AM
Fitted FlightPower 1800 25c lipo with little modification. Drilled new holes for the battery retainer toward the front and slapped up a battery retaining plate.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_0450.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_0451.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_0452.jpg

My standard M18B

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_0015.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_5391.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_5396.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_5393.jpg

Cheers


(http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r11/julius_makewar/18th%20scale/IMG_5396.jpg)

Mini_Me
06-05-2008, 09:54 AM
Hey Julius. You must get plenty of runtime with that pack! :)

On your B, I noticed your using the Anderson front tires and the M18T rears. Which are slightly different diameters. You can use the narrow front tires from the RC18T by cutting of the outer lip of the inside of the M18T rim. Then using the now exposed inner lip of the inside as the new outer. Thats what Zack did for the nats for his narrows.

julius_makewar
06-05-2008, 11:03 AM
Mini, yeh the 1800 i've had 20minute runs using the Tekin 6800. Thats when i stopped, not from the batt hitting voltage cutoff. Didnt want to risk going further.

Will have to give the 18B tires a try, thanks. I used the Vendetta tires and rims coz I had some laying around. The rims are larger diameter than stock but with tires mounted the diameters are within 1mm difference and didnt have a detrimental affect on handling.

Want to try foams at some stage. My track is made of lots of 600mm square foam tiles like the RCP stuff. Anyone now if foam tires work on this stuff.
Cheers

Thomas P
19-10-2009, 08:00 PM
Skipped my TP chassi and installed a Pro one...did som changes to diff,limiters in rear shocks, and inner hole on rear shocks...what a rocket...love it!!

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18T%20Pro%20by%20Mats%20A%20And%20Krollegs %20old%20from%20rsb/DSC_0042.jpg


Smoked my rear alu hub...nothing else broke...just alu..sick :D

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18T%20Pro%20by%20Mats%20A%20And%20Krollegs %20old%20from%20rsb/DSC_0046.jpg

Thomas P
23-10-2009, 05:42 AM
Practicelid... =)

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18T%20Pro%20by%20Mats%20A%20And%20Krollegs %20old%20from%20rsb/DSC_0050.jpg

Thomas P
03-11-2009, 05:41 PM
New setup for the truck and result from my first race ever with the 1/18 cars

As you can see in the forum before this one, Ottoswe was the big winner @ Halmstad Indörrs 1/18 OR cup 1/11-2009 he is so fast that it is almost unbelievable.

Track Type Description: Smooth,technical and fast

+Front+

Shocks: Alu
Shock Oils: 1500w
Pistons: 2
Spring: Yellow hard
Preload: 2mm
Internal Droop Spacers: 5mm

Shock Angles: (alu tower,arms just under level)
Shock angle bottom arms: Outer
Shock angle top arms: Outer

Toe In/Out: 1 out

Swaybars:
Sway Bars: On
Sway Bar MM thickness: 1.5mm

Tires: Foam
Compound/Type: UFRA 42
Dimensions: 55mm/18mm
Traction compound: Carpetjack
CA: Yes edge

Micell: front diff hard



+Rear+

Shocks: Alu
Shock Oils: 1000w
Pistons: 2
Spring: Black medium
Preload: 5mm
Internal Droop Spacers: 7mm

Shock Angles: (Alu tower)
Shock angle bottom arms: Outer
Shock angle top arms: 3rd from top

Toe In: 1 in

Swaybars: Yes
Sway Bars: On
Sway Bar MM thickness: Stock

Tires: Foam
Compound/Type: UFRA 42
Dimensions: 55mm/23mm
Traction compound:Carpetjack
CA: Edge

Micell: middle diff


+Chassis+

Weight Balance or layout: Motor,Esc and servo on rightside, Rx on front left
Micell: Xray M18T Pro


+Electronics+
Motor:eZrun 7800 rpm/v
Gearing:Stock/16T
Specifics Notes:Alu rear and front carriers - NT hex - Alu towers - XXX4 wing mount. Using M18T Pro parts on the truck.Stock lid, Tamiya frog ving

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18T%20Pro%20by%20Mats%20A%20And%20Krollegs %20old%20from%20rsb/DSC_0135.jpg

I qualified to 1/4 final and bumped up to Semi, that was something that i did´nt expected at all.. finished 16th of over 56 starting

Thomas P
04-11-2009, 02:36 PM
Made my on sheet, klick on pic on my blogg and you´l see it in full size.

http://rc-xtreme.blogspot.com/

Thomas P
07-11-2009, 06:55 AM
new lid...i think it looks nice.

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18b%20Pro/DSC_0227.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18b%20Pro/DSC_0228.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18b%20Pro/DSC_0229.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20M18b%20Pro/DSC_0230.jpg

Thomas P
08-11-2009, 06:25 PM
So done with my new M18b Pro car...made a wing for it under 15 min..just a prototype..more will come




http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Tp_Parts/DSC_0030.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Tp_Parts/DSC_0031.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Tp_Parts/DSC_0032.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Tp_Parts/DSC_0033.jpg

Thomas P
21-11-2009, 02:09 PM
Clubmates lrp shark was real hard...standing on the straight after a crash i hit him with full force..

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/skarpnack/DSC_0012-1.jpg

c0sie
21-11-2009, 02:59 PM
Ooooooohhh!!!

Ouch!!

Thomas P
21-11-2009, 03:09 PM
Yepp Chris :D...just changed chassi, but it takes some time to do it...lost app 1h of driving :/

nitrokillah
25-11-2009, 11:18 PM
nooooooooo ....
That is harsh man .
& you got that not long ago too ... :mad:

So dose this meam your gonna go back to the TP edition ???

Thomas P
10-12-2009, 07:35 PM
Nana, still Pro chassi...but today i recived some parts for the new

TP18BE Pro car...

Update...

Recived my new belts...4mm and the length to make the new car 165mm wb. I will use a new steering, no more bellcrank...i will use the Vendetta buggy parts...i think it will be good...

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/tp18be%20pro/DSC_0046.jpg

http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/tp18be%20pro/DSC_0047.jpg

http://rc-xtreme.blogspot.com/

Thomas P
31-12-2009, 10:41 AM
Think the 190mm cars will be legal in Sweden...it´s my BG4 that i have bring back to life...


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http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20BG4/DSC_0168.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20BG4/DSC_0169.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20BG4/DSC_0170.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20BG4/DSC_0171.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20BG4/DSC_0174.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o306/gabbax_74/Xray%20BG4/DSC_0172.jpg

carpenterdean
13-01-2011, 08:40 PM
Hi guys, is the m18t pro any longer or wider than the standard one? thanks.

jimmy
13-01-2011, 08:47 PM
Not sure if its wider or not - might be, but it's definitely quite a bit longer from what I've seen.

carpenterdean
13-01-2011, 09:07 PM
bought a standard one think it has a few upgrades not to sure though, anyway would like to make it a good race machine and not sure which way to go about it, (without having major transplant surgery and having some decent thumbs and a race brain implant:p) ant advice will be much appreciated.