The CAT is back!

[ApexSpeed]

Oh my, it's been almost 20 years since my last Schuey CAT, but this car could bring me back to off road racing—even this crap hard pack clay we have in the States. :woot:

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/schumachercatsx-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/2008/02/toy-fair-schumacher-racing

[ApexSpeed]

:drool:

I saw the other posts in the News section... I just wanted to be the first to post in this new forum. :D :D :lol:

[Lee]

this crap hard pack clay we have in the States. :woot:

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/schumachercatsx-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/2008/02/toy-fair-schumacher-racing


We dream for that crap stuff you have to race on:lol:

[Southwell]

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7993

[bigred5765]

We dream for that crap stuff you have to race on:lol:

o clay yeh its ace

[ApexSpeed]

We dream for that crap stuff you have to race on:lol:


It's so boring. It's like racing on... astroturf. :D :p


I grew up on loose dirt REAL off road tracks that didn't have cartoonish out-of-proportion supercross jumps and polished surfaces that needed rubber slicks. To me, that's not off road, that's lazy track owners and marketing hype.

I know it's what everyone likes here, but to me, it's not much fun. I'd much rather race on a TT-style loose dirt track. We only get those tracks outdoors here, and now they are all MASSIVE for 1/8th buggies. Blech.



Anyway, think there is any chance that this car is capable of handling a LiPo 6-cell pack with the 3-belt system?

[tony6187]

Anyway, think there is any chance that this car is capable of handling a LiPo 6-cell pack with the 3-belt system?[/quote]


THE CELL CONFIGURATION IS RUMOURED TO BE 4+2 SO DONT THINK YOU WILL BE ABLE TO FIT LIPOS

[MattW]

I wouldn't rush into making too many assumptions. :o

[glypo]

OMFG........ Schumacher section on oOple!

Thanks Jimmy :)

The new CAT is going to be great.......

[Speedy-]

I wonder if they'll be a new Cougar? :)

[bondy]

Errrr ! No 2wd market is flooded !

Front wheel drive 2wd car would be cool thought aka Kyosho Maxxum FF !

[Lee]

Id say there are more 4wd cars out at the moment with more to be released in the coming months, in 2wd there is only 3 cars at the moment and the D2 and the S2 on the way. If its a good product it will sell and schuey know they will sell cars just because of their reputation:)

[Northy]

Hang on a sec, didn't anyone tell them big spazzy ariels are sooooooo last year? :confused:

G

[Kopite]

Errrr ! No 2wd market is flooded !

no it isn't :eh?:

I'd love to see the Cougar back (not the blade tho)!

[franki]

Cougar 2000 !!!!!

[bigred5765]

yeh cougar 2000 sounds good to me
bring it on schuy

[woOdy]

So when r wee going to see it?

[MattW]

Well seems the word coming out of the Toy fair is a May release. I can't offer any more info on this as i haven't asked the question!! :lol:

As for when a car is likely to be seen running in public, again not sure on that one either!!

So unfortunately i'm not a lot of help to you on this one !

[woOdy]

I ment at the show?

[bigred5765]

your/were not trade only it says

[MattW]

Yeah as far as i am aware - it's not being fully shown at the show.

[J_WOODY]

the new cat sx is listed on apex models website .... £350 or £332.50 with online discount.

it says.... Numbers are limited from the first batch, pre-order to secure your car. £50 deposit will be charged.

it also says..
• All new unique drive system where the spur rotates in the same direction as the tyres.
• Three belt transmission, with adjustable internal ratio.
• 4/2 cell or one side LiPo battery configuration.
• Upright shock design.
• Pin drive Rev Lite wheels front and rear, with hex adapters for fitment of Losi style front wheels.
• All new design and parts throughout, only ball links and the wing mount remain the same.

[Adam Skelding]

the new cat sx is listed on apex models website .... £350 or £332.50 with online discount.

Numbers are limited from the first batch, pre-order to secure your car. £50 deposit will be charged.

• All new unique drive system where the spur rotates in the same direction as the tyres.
• Three belt transmission, with adjustable internal ratio.
• 4/2 cell or one side LiPo battery configuration.
• Upright shock design.
• Pin drive Rev Lite wheels front and rear, with hex adapters for fitment of Losi style front wheels.
• All new design and parts throughout, only ball links and the wing mount remain the same.

I'm glad the spur rotates in the same direction as the tyres... Unique.. I'm not sure.. Most 2 belt touring cars drive like this....

[Northy]

I'm glad the spur rotates in the same direction as the tyres... Unique.. I'm not sure.. Most 2 belt touring cars drive like this....

Mmmmmm

What weighs the most, plastic spur or motor armature...... :confused:

[James]

Not just spur though; layshaft, pulleys, slipper, bearings etc..

[Lee]

sounds innovative:woot:

I was thinking that G, and if you think about it the motor will be 2/3 of the way forward like the losi xx4, so when it accellerates wont it try to make the front end light without really transferring any weight to the rear because its so far forward.???

Someone correct me if im wrong

[Northy]

Not just spur though; layshaft, pulleys, slipper, bearings etc..

Bit like my ProCat? :)

Ok James.

How many belt cars have the belts turning in the opposite direction of the wheels? :p :p

Just playing devils advocate :thumbsup:

G

[super__dan]

Innovative like an X5 then? Or even the XX4, or the XXX4?

[Nick Goodall]

Bit like my ProCat? :)

Ok James.

How many belt cars have the belts turning in the opposite direction of the wheels? :p :p

Just playing devils advocate :thumbsup:

G

I'm glad i'm not the only one that found this a bit strange.... even if you think back to all the Schumacher 4wd's over the years???

[ApexSpeed]

• 4/2 cell or one side LiPo battery configuration.


Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy, oh boy... :woot:

[Cruise]

Sorry but the spur gear turns the opposite way of the wheels.


@ Lee youre wrong


TheI`veseenitCruise

[Northy]

Sorry but the spur gear turns the opposite way of the wheels.


Not on a belt drive car...... :thumbdown:

G

[Lee]

thanks G:thumbsup::lol:

[Chris Doughty]

not on most cars too.

I think its only the 4-gear 2WD cars that have the spur running the other way to the wheels.

anyway, its nit-picking, im sure it will be a good design, I am very keen to see it.

[Cruise]

Trust me it definately rotates the other way round.

Cruise.

[Northy]

Trust me it definately rotates the other way round.

Cruise.

Can you explain how? :confused:

G

[jimmy]

I'm missing something :lol:

Somethings wrong in the world when Carl posts the most sensible and reasoned post. I think the must have been refering to the common shaft layout with the motor mounted long ways.

[Cruise]

Can you explain how? :confused:

G

I could but for the fun of it I won`t.:thumbsup:


But think of that internal ratio.

Cruise.

P.S. thats almost the fun as knowing about the Asso 4WD for years and reading the roumors about it.

[Northy]

I could but for the fun of it I won`t.:thumbsup:


But think of that internal ratio.

Cruise.

P.S. thats almost the fun as knowing about the Asso 4WD for years and reading the roumors about it.

You make less sense than Lion-o dude :thumbdown:

G

[Lee]

Cruise,

When looking at a motor from the shaft end the shaft rotates anti-clockwise which in turn makes the spur rotate clockwise the belt has to rotate the same way as the spurgear and layshaft.


One thing i was thinking is if schuey were to mount the motor on the right of the car to make the motor rotate forwards and run an idler gear between the pinion and spur but i dont see what benefit this would give apart from having the spur and motor turning in the same direction:confused:

[Cruise]

When you finally get to see the Car it all will make sense Trust Me!

Cruise.

[Northy]

When you finally get to see the Car it all will make sense Trust Me!

Cruise.

I don't trust anyone with a beard.

You must live your life by some rules, and that is one of mine.

G

[Big E]

It means the motor fits in from the right of the car instead of the left, like all other 4wd's, and has another gear to change the direction!!!!

Just like on the X6 so the motor armatuer rotation aids grip rather than takes it away!

It depends where the gear is to which way the spur will turn.

[bigred5765]

I'm missing something :lol:

Somethings wrong in the world when Carl posts the most sensible and reasoned post. I think the must have been refering to the common shaft layout with the motor mounted long ways.

:ohow vary dare you :o

[bigred5765]

You make less sense than Lion-o dude :thumbdown:

G

oy go and stand with jimmy in the naughty corner

[MattW]

Cruse (Ralf M?) I like your style.........:thumbsup:

[jimmy]

What a bunch of chaos and confusion! you have the official blurb saying the spur moves the same way as the tyres (wow) and cruise saying it "Sorry but the spur gear turns the opposite way of the wheels."

either the tyres are running on bearings and spin on the wheels - or I'm on crack and need to lay down. :eh?:

Lets start getting some speculative drawings / diagrams of how the drive train works ! :)

[telboy]

Can't the three belts have something to do with the change of drive direction?

I have heard that the motor fits in from the other side, so that the arm rotates in the direction of the wheels.

[Southwell]

I heard you get missiles on the side to blow up the competition!

Seriously though, it sounds like it could be a very cool design, elastic band tranny's are on their way back!

[bish]

i'm trying not to think about this as it is taking up too much brain cell action stuff! trying to be patient and just see what it will be like rather than speculate...anyway, surely there will be a pair of belts to take the power to the diffs front and rear(can we even take this for granted?)...stop thinking, why go for 3 belts? :confused:hope it looks tidy inside, not like the losi 4wds;)

[bigred5765]

or it could be like the old cat
were two belts drive the rear diff and one to the front

[Cruise]

Cruse (Ralf M?) I like your style.........:thumbsup:

Right Name Thanks Matt. And the right answer was already given.

Cruise

[bigred5765]

is it me o please say its me lmfao

[RogerM]

just a thought ........ pulley / belt main reduction rather than the normal pinion spur gears ....... that would fit the description.

[elvo]

I'm missing something :lol:




Yes, the car was designed to go 'round the track backwards! ;)


My guess: spur shaft has a gear on it, turns another gear on the 'main' layshaft with 2 pulleys on it.
But that's complicated. Belt/Pulley main reduction with a pulley-ish spur and pinion would be the other option... Don't know if that actually works though, I can't see how you'd get sufficient belt wrap on small 'pinion' pulleys.

[Southwell]

Isn't that like the old cat design? I hope they change their spur gears, i hated them!

[bender]

Yes, the car was designed to go 'round the track backwards! ;)


My guess: spur shaft has a gear on it, turns another gear on the 'main' layshaft with 2 pulleys on it.
But that's complicated. Belt/Pulley main reduction with a pulley-ish spur and pinion would be the other option... Don't know if that actually works though, I can't see how you'd get sufficient belt wrap on small 'pinion' pulleys.

Kyosho tested a prototype Lazer with this style transmission several years ago - before the ZX5 was released.

[MattW]

Right Name Thanks Matt. And the right answer was already given.

Cruise

:thumbsup::thumbsup::lol:

[dbizzle5]

Is it true about the oversize dampers!!??? Same thickness as the older 1/8th units?

[HKP]

Is it true it has an onboard flux capacitor providing 1.21 jigawatts of energy?? :D:D:D

[bigred5765]

the cat has oversized dampers???

[dbizzle5]

So ive heard! Just like all the 1/8th cars have just started to use thicker dampers due to the losi introducing them and handling bumpy tracks so well, Ive heard the CATis doing the same thing.

[glypo]

So much speculation! It's not too long to wait is it?

The new CAT is made by Schumacher, therefore will be very cool. Isn't that the important thing?! :D

[stulec52]

So much speculation! It's not too long to wait is it?

The new CAT is made by Schumacher, therefore will be very cool. Isn't that the important thing?! :D

Cool isn't enough.
it has to be GREAT !
and I'm sure it will be.

[bigred5765]

no i say it has to be fast around the track,
cool is nothing without speed and handling,

[Cruise]

Is it true about the oversize dampers!!??? Same thickness as the older 1/8th units?

No

Cruise

[jimmy]

is it true the drivetrain is placed high up, above the motor with belts running to front and rear? :)

[Lee]

Is it true that it has wings for longer air time and stability over bumps:eh?:

[Cruise]

Sorry but only one answer per Day

Cruise.

[jimmy]

lol
I got it from a reliable source that the layshaft etc were above the motor - or up HIGH - who knows, I was half asleep when he told me.;)

[Chris Doughty]

lol
I got it from a reliable source that the layshaft etc were above the motor - or up HIGH - who knows, I was half asleep when he told me.;)

surely that would eliminate the need for 3 belts?

unless 1 belt is there just for fun and not actually doing anything... could it be a trick? its actually a shaft drive car with 3 belts coiled up at the back of the chassis? :woot:

[jimmy]

lol
sounds complicated anyway, have to wait and see - I've only heard from someone who knows someone who's seen it at the toyfair! ;)

[Southwell]

If it's below £250 it will be a good alternative to the B44, im personally not prepared to pay £300+ for a car anymore.

[jim76]

If it's below £250 it will be a good alternative to the B44, im personally not prepared to pay £300+ for a car anymore.

me too. by the time you buy several sets of wheels and springs etc you are looking at £500 for most top end 4wd.

Where as with a B44 you have enough change to buy 3 new packs of cells!

[Richard Lowe]

Don't forget 12 spare rear topdecks :lol:

[Lee]

Yeah i had never heard of 1 run topdecks before:thumbsup:

[Lee Martin]

whos breakng top decks??? i sure havent

[Richard Lowe]

Only joking Pidge ;) :)

[big smithy]

;)So ive heard! Just like all the 1/8th cars have just started to use thicker dampers due to the losi introducing them and handling bumpy tracks so well, Ive heard the CATis doing the same thing.
yes mate me 2 ;)

[ashleyb4]

and 24 shock shafts.

A

[sly]

The 3 belts are for the crashback system as it`s shaft driven!!:eh?:

[Twister]

I don't trust anyone with a beard.

You must live your life by some rules, and that is one of mine.

G:lol: True, because they have something to hide lol.

[Cruise]

is it true the drivetrain is placed high up, above the motor with belts running to front and rear? :)

There is a shaft at "Top Deck level" and none of the belts runs over the motor.

Cruise.

[jimmy]

I guess we'll see soon enough ;)

[Chris Green]

There is a shaft at "Top Deck level" and none of the belts runs over the motor.

Cruise.

The layshaft? or a driveshaft / propshaft?

[bigred5765]

i still say its as per the old cat
two belts to the rear diff and one to the front
they just mixed it up and added a second idler gear
and moved the motor to the right

[Cruise]

Is it true that it has wings for longer air time and stability over bumps:eh?:

There has been a lot of R+D for better "in air performance" the drivetrain is one of the results of it.

And there are no wings involved with it.

Cruise

[HKP]

Come on Cruise.. stop teasing us... the suspense is killing me :D

[mattym0310]

so when do we find out? when do we get piccytures??? :)
cant wait! :woot:

[Cruise]

The chassis is just 100mm wide and none of the belts is running between the cells.

I don`t know when the official pictures will be available.

Cruise

[GRIFF55]

Don't worry about official pics, sneaky sneaky one would be just as good!

[supersonic]

The chassis is just 100mm wide and none of the belts is running between the cells.

I don`t know when the official pictures will be available.

Cruise

sounds like the LOSI JRX Touring Car to me. I wonder when we're gonna see those pics...
nic

[bigred5765]

i was just thinking the same thing

[mattym0310]

me too :-)

[matdodd]

Me three! :D

[supersonic]

guess' the secret design ain't not so secret anymore. or did schumacher reinvent the wheel after all?
:lol: nic

[Cruise]

sounds like the LOSI JRX Touring Car to me. I wonder when we're gonna see those pics...
nic

Both diffs run perfectly centered in narrow bulkheads.

Cruise

[Southwell]

Is it coming with a one way diff as standard?

[sparrow.2]

With the information Rumpelmissel has given (ach wie gut, daß keiner weiss.. ;)) it sounds like the middle belt that will run on the outside of the chassis will be fairly close to the edge waiting for stones and track marshalls fingers...

Am I close or am I on the woodpath (queue stupid german direct translation jokes!)

[terry.sc]

Not JRXS, that's only two belts. I think three belts means a transmission layout like the Team Magic E4RS, or any 1/8th scale on road chassis if no belt goes between the batteries.

[bish]

has there been any mention of 2 layshfts? that must be the only way to use 3 belts in that way (agree with terry.sc and sparrow.2) cruise only mentioned that 'one' of the shafts was up with the top deck, the forward one may be low down. love all this speculation! i would have thought it quite inefficient to run like that-suppose it won't matter with brushless anyway? would be nice to see it with some well made belts and alloy pulleys as standard!

[sparrow.2]

It has to have two layshafts in order to work the way cruise has explained it. If the motor is in the front it will end up transmitting power to the front layshaft I reckon.

This is going to make it tight for the steering, or it is going to push the layshaft and motor back too far to do anything nice with the batteries.

At least it doesn't sound like it's going to be a BJ4WE clone :thumbsup: (not that I don't like the layout, it's just that it's nice to have different takes on a problem...)

[elvo]

The chassis is just 100mm wide and none of the belts is running between the cells.



Whoa. The S2 is 108mm, and that's anorexic.

[Cruise]

Whoa. The S2 is 108mm, and that's anorexic.

Well don`t nail me down on the exact size but its only two cells with the minimum material around.They didn`t let me measure it so it just calibrated eyes.

Cruise

[RogerM]

Another clue .... oh the suspense!!!

Seriously though, I'm glad to see all the hype around this car building expectations .... will be great to see Schumy back at the sharp end.

[U.S.CAT3K]

Not JRXS, that's only two belts. I think three belts means a transmission layout like the Team Magic E4RS, or any 1/8th scale on road chassis if no belt goes between the batteries.

That makes sense. Batteries in the center, "centered" differentials, and the ability to easily change trans. gearing/overdrive.

[Cruise]

Is it coming with a one way diff as standard?

There is a "center" one way integrated in the drivetrain.It`s got an on/ off option.

Cruise.

[mattym0310]

we want pictures! when do we get em cruise?

[Northy]

I'm bored now....

[Cruise]

As I told you before : I don`t know when the official pictures will be available.
and you have already seen what I was allowed to take.


@ Sparrow2 : Woodpath

Cruise.

[Cruise]

You will be able to fit a stick type lipo without getting the weight balance out of shape.

Cruise

[_sleigh_]

I reckon it looks like this.... :thumbsup:

and no, the drawing's not to scale and would need a little adjustment to fit the servo at the front, but its more to explain how the transmission 'could' look.

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/_sleigh_/th_img002.jpg (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/_sleigh_/img002.jpg)

[J_WOODY]

I reckon it looks like this.... :thumbsup:

and no, the drawing's not to scale and would need a little adjustment to fit the servo at the front, but its more to explain how the transmission 'could' look.

http://s81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/_sleigh_/th_img002.jpg (http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j210/_sleigh_/img002.jpg)

thats how i had it pictured in my mind !

[Northy]

Bored Phil? :lol::lol::lol:

I think it's still using B4 wishbones or something, that's why we can't see it.... ;)

G

[_sleigh_]

thats how i had it pictured in my mind !

So that's what you're doing with all your time at home while being a mum.... designing the new CAT

[_sleigh_]

Bored Phil? :lol::lol::lol:

I think it's still using B4 wishbones or something, that's why we can't see it.... ;)

G

More like they're made of something weak and snap easy, oh perhaps they're Losi XX4 arms.

Bored?? no, just an excuse to test the new network scanner that's appeared in the office.

[RCbob]

I agree with phil i was thinking along those lines, but why have a 4+2 cell combo if the cells go down the centre:confused:

also what do they hope to achieve with that transmission setup? is it really going to be that much better as it looks a bit over engineered to me.

Interesting though especially now everyone knows shaft is best:lol:

[Richard Lowe]

It might be 4 cells inline then 2 cells at 90 degrees, I don't see why they would do that though as it is basically a stick pack :confused:

[_sleigh_]

Perhaps it's a 4/2 hump pack (old skool) :woot:

[James]

.......................................

[_sleigh_]

.......................................

Damn, did I miss something

[markwilliamson2001]

Whatever...

I think from the price guidelines given earlier in this post, that they have pitched the car at far too high a price, to actually make any revenue from it...(i.e. it just wont sell due to being far too expensive)
Just look at how popular the B44 is - why is that you ask?
Because it is cheap to buy, and comes with nearly everything that you could actually need to start racing without any massive upgrades etc etc.

However, this is all speculation, and no actual confirmed price has been given by schumacher as of yet, so we will have to wait and see.

I would love to see them back in R/C, but they will have to keep with the original design for a while before changing the chassis layout... shock mounts... etc etc, just like the Cat2k/ec, as that sucks.

[James]

Damn, did I miss something

I was going to get involved but decided against it ..

Schuey simply want to do a proper product launch, it wont be too long..

There have been a few innacurate comments about the car (not meaning the fun ones obviouly)..

Just wait for the release where you'll have pro pictures, all the details, usual product launch literature etc..

Car will be cool ;)

[_sleigh_]

Yeah, I think most of this thread is pretty light hearted.

Sch. should make a decent job of it, as I'm sure they learnt their lesson from the Cat 4K.

[jimmy]

you can only say 'sit tight and wait' when you're on the 'inside' ;) those of us who are firmly on the outside have to rely on rumour and gossip! :woot:

[Chris Doughty]

sit tight and wait

im not on the inside, I can do it.

you know it will be a million times worse when we have pictures, but have never seen the car in person.

.... release the interweb engineers!

[vader]

It should be quick when it finally hits the track if the rumors about who has been testing/developing the car are true...

[jimmy]

For me sit tight and wait means it's already on a double page ad spread and reviewed in Radio Controlled Car Action magazine. fact.

[Cruise]

What do you think about it Jimmy?

Cruise.

[Cruise]

As i can`t think of more details that I can give you without telling you everything about the drivetrain it`s now sit back time for me aswell.

-Sorry guys.

Cruise

[jimmy]

Nothing wrong with telling us all ;)
Lil birdy told me they were testing at worksop the evening before the last meeting. I'm gonna ask one of the cleaners there if they know anything.:lol:

[Tom3012]

hope we havent all over hyped this car ;)... it better be good :lol:

[Lee]

Arent all cars over hyped? Especially nowadays with the internet, we are doing exactly what schuey want us too, if they had of shown a pic of the car like serpent did we would of all gone yeah it looks nice,different, whatever and moved on like we have with the s500, but with just allowing pics of a towel and a set of wheels we are speculating and building the hype while schuey sit back and allow us to promote their product.

very clever marketing, i bet they sell 50 cars just from people reading the speculation in this thread.

[DaveG28]

I still can;t work out the 4x2 cell layout which also allows LIPO stick packs!? Are both those facts confirmed??

If so, then presumably the layout is either similar to the drawing Phil has done with the 4x2 being forced by some element of the main chassis layout (otherwise why not just 6 in a line!?), or maybe you have 4 on one side of the centre, and 2 on the other side, but maybe the electrics could all be moved to the side with 2 cells to enable one long stick pack ont he other side!?

Either way, I am :confused:

[big air]

might be shaft drive ;) with the shaft down the side like the old tamiya cars

[Mossy]

There are numerous things we are testing on the car. As of yet the chassis is still in development to take numerous configurations of batteries etc, so all the details that have been posted on this thread (including Ralf M. comments) are still unconfirmed.

The only things that can be confirmed are -
1. The car is belt driven, utilising 3 belts.
2. We are looking at all options regarding battery types and configurations, in order to maintain the best weight distribution.

Any other details are still unconfirmed, including the price as far as I know.

There are still various parts we are testing, which is why the car has not been given a public debut yet. However, there is a possibility of it being run at Worksop on Sunday if the circumstances are right.

Hope this helps.

Si

[RogerM]

Ignor me ... LOL ... (see dan's post below for the original false statement!!!)

I have been informed incorrectly ..... that will teach me ... LOL.

[super__dan]

Lipos aren't as long as 6 sub c cells in line, apparently the 4 cell arrangement on the X5 allows a Lipo t be squeezed in so it must be possible.

Not quite, you can fit one on the 4 cell side of the chassis but to fit one extends literally within a few mm from the back of the servo to the back of the chassis, taking the space for the receiver etc. Most Lipo are pretty much bang on same size as 6 cells.

Hope to see it on Sunday, I am amazed at the amount of competetive 4wd's out there now, it is almost rediculous!

[elvo]

thats how i had it pictured in my mind !


Where's the motor then? :eh?:

Cells can't be right. I don't think you can fit 3 layshafts, a motor, and 6 cells down the length of a car with a normal wheelbase.

I'm guessing those 4 cells out of the 4+2 would go laterally, with a belt going over them. That'd suit the 100mm width...

[_sleigh_]

There are numerous things we are testing on the car. As of yet the chassis is still in development to take numerous configurations of batteries etc, so all the details that have been posted on this thread (including Ralf M. comments) are still unconfirmed.

The only things that can be confirmed are -
1. The car is belt driven, utilising 3 belts.
2. We are looking at all options regarding battery types and configurations, in order to maintain the best weight distribution.

Any other details are still unconfirmed, including the price as far as I know.

There are still various parts we are testing, which is why the car has not been given a public debut yet. However, there is a possibility of it being run at Worksop on Sunday if the circumstances are right.

Hope this helps.

Si

Quit your jibba jabba, where's those entries!! ;)

[telboy]

Lil birdy told me they were testing at worksop the evening before the last meeting. I'm gonna ask one of the cleaners there if they know anything

Maybe you can bribe them with a maccies jimmy.:woot::thumbsup:

[TRF_Tastic]

Where's the motor then? :eh?:

Cells can't be right. I don't think you can fit 3 layshafts, a motor, and 6 cells down the length of a car with a normal wheelbase.

I'm guessing those 4 cells out of the 4+2 would go laterally, with a belt going over them. That'd suit the 100mm width...

Elvo, take a look at the Team Magic E4, I know its a touring car, but that has a 3 belt layout central cells and motor. So it can be done with some thought.

[MattW]

Phil, you clearly have far too much time on your hands!! I think this thread, it's quite amusing!! :thumbsup:

[jimmy]

that's what it's for - entertainment! :thumbsup:

[Cruise]

I told you it`s gonna be fun.
At least for the insiders.

Cruise

[_sleigh_]

Phil, you clearly have far too much time on your hands!! I think this thread, it's quite amusing!! :thumbsup:

Time, it only took about 98 seconds to come up with that design. I'm sure Sch. took a little longer with their design. (i hope)

[Lee]

Time, it only took about 98 seconds to come up with that design. I'm sure Sch. took a little longer with their design. (i hope)

I heard 20 mins, but they had a tea break after the brainstorming session then they just drew pictures and picked the nicest looking one:thumbsup:

[supersonic]

I just talked to CS, Schumacher Iport to Germany. They said it'll be aboiut a month before pics of the cat sx will be released. :-( What happened to those spy shots? nic

[Roger_M]

Does anyone actually think this car will be a match for the ZX5 SP at next years worlds, i personally dont, and my contacts say the SP will rule for years to come:p

[RogerM]

LOL ..... is somebody being a little silly ..... :D

I actually think there is a very good chance that Schumacher will come up with a great car ...... lets face it, that would not be the first time as anybody else from back in the 80s and 90s will remember!!!!

I can't wait ot see it to be honest. Although it is unlikely to sway my chassis choice for 08 it WILL be differnt from most and that, on it's own, will make it a very interesting car.

[Chrislong]

I wonder if the Active Castor System will be used, being the uncopied weapon it once was on the wiperblade. :lol:

[stefke]

I actually think there is a very good chance that Schumacher will come up with a great car ...... lets face it, that would not be the first time as anybody else from back in the 80s and 90s will remember!!!!



Right ! Just thinking back about the SST makes me nausious ! :cry:

But I'll give them the CAT2000. It was great

[supersonic]

Does anyone actually think this car will be a match for the ZX5 SP at next years worlds, i personally dont, and my contacts say the SP will rule for years to come:p

depends if they get capable drivers. I personally think you could give a pro any upper class 4wd offroad car from the last 10 years and with some time he could make the A @ the worlds. Changes have been minimal, at best.

nic

[Richard Lowe]

I wonder if the Active Castor System will be used, being the uncopied weapon it once was on the wiperblade. :lol:
That would be different! I used to have the active caster conversion on my alloy tub RC10, it was ace :D

[Lee]

You ran active rear toe on the bj in the final of the super cup as well rich:p

[Richard Lowe]

Yeah it would probably help if I tightened the screws in the pivot blocks properly :p

[Cruise]

To bring this thread a little back to life.

The CAT SX will feature excentric belt tensioners to eliminate the need of belt rollers.


Prototype seen, details may vary.

Cruise.

[Northy]

To bring this thread a little back to life.

The CAT SX will feature excentric belt tensioners to eliminate the need of belt rollers.


Prototype seen, details may vary.

Cruise.

Like my ProCat? :confused:

G

[Cant drive Andy]

It's so boring. It's like racing on... astroturf. :D :p


I grew up on loose dirt REAL off road tracks that didn't have cartoonish out-of-proportion supercross jumps and polished surfaces that needed rubber slicks. To me, that's not off road, that's lazy track owners and marketing hype.

I know it's what everyone likes here, but to me, it's not much fun. I'd much rather race on a TT-style loose dirt track. We only get those tracks outdoors here, and now they are all MASSIVE for 1/8th buggies. Blech.



Anyway, think there is any chance that this car is capable of handling a LiPo 6-cell pack with the 3-belt system?

come race at eden park, it may be astro but it dont always behave like astro

[Cruise]

There will be no Blades on the driveshafts.

Prototype seen, details may vary.

Cruise.

[ApexSpeed]

come race at eden park, it may be astro but it dont always behave like astro

I'd love to, but that's a bit too much of a drive for me. I don't think gas prices would be in my favor on that trip. ;)

[HVAC25000]

There will be no Blades on the driveshafts.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[glypo]

Well people here have pointed out the info Apex has given. However MK Racing has better quality info:

http://www.m-k-racing.com/product_info.php?cPath=212&products_id=5200
4wd transmission using 3 belts

Changable internal drive ratio's of 2.2:1 / 2.4:1 / 2.6:1

Motor rotates it the same direction as the wheels

Clamp type motor mount

Narrow chassis (approx 100mm wide) with 4/2 saddle pack slots

Carbon fibre chassis & towers

Alloy transmission cases

Rev-lite wheels & Schumacher tyres

Marc is getting a few in first batch, and stocking the spares. So looks like the CAT SX will be sorted in the spares department :D

[big air]

There will be no Blades on the driveshafts.

Prototype seen, details may vary.

Cruise.

do you work for schumacher ??? if so i can't believe youv'e still got a job,
going on a like a bit of a kid, if you can't tell us something interesting clamp up :wub:wub:wub

[surfking]

Apex says lipo as well as 4 + 2 option ?

[glypo]

Apex says lipo as well as 4 + 2 option ?

That was going to be an early option, but it seems now that the chassis is going to be 4+2 only, with perhaps an optional chassis plate with a LiPo mounting option. So the rumours go anyway.

[Cruise]

do you work for schumacher ??? i-No

I asked what I´m allowed to tell and they said go for it.

As for the answer promised yesterday. No the drivetrain is not sealed. There will be a tray which is nicely fitted underneath a front and a rear bumper.

As for lipo and 4+2 :at the hobbyshow they had two cars one fitted as 4+2 and the other with stick type lipo and i was told that is with one chassis.

BTW you all missed a very neat fature in one of the posts.:lol:

Prototype seen, details may vary.

Cruise.

[sparrow.2]

Los Ralf! Fotos, Fakten, Beschreibung, Fahrbericht, Anleitung, Preis, ALLES

Ich weis daß Du Fotos hast!!!

[Cruise]

Das ist mein einziges Foto Garantiert!!!!!!

die Jungs wurden schon nervös wenn meine Kamera auch nur halbwegs in die Richtung schaute.

Cruise

[ulrich]

Das ist mein einziges Foto Garantiert!!!!!!

die Jungs wurden schon nervös wenn meine Kamera auch nur halbwegs in die Richtung schaute.

Cruise

wow what a car !!!

[sparrow.2]

Cruise your nose is growing awfully long :lol:

Was the lipo stick off center or was it down the middle of the car?

[Cruise]

Cruise your nose is growing awfully long :lol:



It`s not!

Seriously no foto!!!!

[sparrow.2]

Then somebody elses nose must have grown since the weekend :eh?:

Was the lipo down the center of the car?

Completely offtopic but how did the brushless speedo from CS look? Might be an alternative to LRP?

[ben]

what is that photo ment to tell us?:thumbdown:

[mes]

regarding the speedo, have a look in the cs news catalogue...

http://cs-shop.de/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=49&Itemid=

[sparrow.2]

what is that photo ment to tell us?:thumbdown:


It's meant to tell us that his nose id no longer than before I accused him of lying about not having any pictures. It is in fact Cruises nose... :lol:

[Cruise]

To get a diff out you will only have to pop the shocks out unscrew only 4 screws and your done.

Cruise

[Southwell]

Will we be taking the diff out a lot then? :P

[MattW]

Wouldn't have thought so!! but then some people like to do it for no apparent reason!

[DCM]

verticaly split bulkheads then

[GRIFF55]

Any pics or sneaky peaks yet??

[James]

Not yet, you wont be disapointed though, awesome piece of engineering & super high quality..:thumbsup:

[stegger]

Is there a date when we will see pic's:drool: because i'm starting to wear out this link:eh?:

[HVAC25000]

If I recall, Schumacher is the LAST company to release a 4wd. No one is going to steal their design, everyone else already has their own... Can't they just let us see one measly picture of it?! :cry: If they're releasing the thing early summer, clearly the patents are already done, at least I sure as heck hope they are...

[YZ~10]

must be some shit hot design work to keep it under wraps this long, or will be dispointed when we finally see it? :eh?:

[HVAC25000]

must be some shit hot design work to keep it under wraps this long, or will be dispointed when we finally see it? :eh?:

hopefully it's the former, especially if the Mi-3 is an indication of their design ability.

[glypo]

Yeah Schumacher are a little inconsistent though. Mi2EC and Mi3 are really amazing examples of what they can do, and their last 2 racing cars also. So fingers crossed the CAT SX will make it 3 in a row!

[stegger]

I got to say i ran an Mi3 from when it first came out till upto a month ago and the car was quality, well thought out and adjustability had no bounds. If the same factors are in the SX then it will be up there:woot:COME ON SCHUMACHER SHOW US SOME PIC'S

[James]

The cars 95% there, theyre just waiting for the last of the production parts i believe, they dont wanna release pics with an unfinished look and perhaps slightly iffy looking proto parts:eh?: ..
Theyve done such a good job with the quality, the look and design and adjustability i agree with them it would be a shame for the first images not to be the finished article..
Theres been lot to talk about it before anyones seen it and im sure you'll all be impressed enough to discuss it for a long time afterwards when it does appear!

[HVAC25000]

:lol: Plain and simple here. No one saw the prototype Aero and said "Eww it looks like shit, I don't want one!" The prototype did the opposite, it built up hype for the car and got people on the preorder list.

Plus there are people who are going to drop $800-1600 with Aero instead of Schumacher because at this point, they don't have a freakin' clue if the CAT is going to be a worthless car or not because they don't have a clue what it looks like, so they'll just go with the Aero since it's a sure thing. In a few months when the CAT is released, they won't have the money for one.


People who buy high end cars like Schumachers are intelligent enough to look past the unfinished parts and see the real car. People that aren't that smart can't afford a car like Schumacher would make (unless the CAT is going to be WAY cheaper than I think it is...) If that weren't true, no one would have bought an Aero. The thing still looks unfinished, and costs 2 kidneys and a lung, but since everyone saw it from the beginning and they didn't hide it like it was some big secret, everyone knew it was a great car no matter how it looked, and the hype over it was huge.

Personally I LOVE to see a car, or anything, go from mind to paper to prototype to production to my hands. Lots of people in this hobby, any hobby, obsess over that stuff. They'll collect an outdated worthless rc10 just because it's the early version of their new B4. I had an X10 but still wanted a P8 just to have, and I collected pictures and info about it. I'd love to have pre-production photos of the Mi-3, before it was what I have in my hands. For no apparent reason, though, Schumacher doesn't want me to see it.

The Aero still looks like a proto, it's fully released, people are still hyping about it. That's because Aero knew what they were doing, and instead of hiding the Aero, it was in the public's eye the whole time, winning races while it was still a prototype made of a chunk of aluminum(!), building a ridiculously huge amount of hype, and every day on the thread on here people would be panicking about the release date. Granted, everyone talks about the CAT as well, but there's nothing compared to the hype of the Aero.

If Schumacher doesn't release pictures long before they release the car, and don't get the car, even if it's a prototype like Aero ran on a track out there winning races, no one (comparatively) is going to buy it because they'll have no idea how it's going to perform and will need time to analyze its potential.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but this is what I've seen. No one saw the prototype Aero and said "Eww it looks like shit, I don't want one!" Everyone clamored over the photos even though it was an ugly chunk of aluminum and white delrin bits.


Anyways... This brings up something I don't believe I've heard anything about. Any kind of a price released yet? Any guess?

[Alfonzo]

£320 ish rings a bell, or have I dreamt that?

[Southwell]

It will about around £350 RRP.

[glypo]

Yeah Schumacher are saying a srp of approx £350. Hopefully the srp will be a little less.

Shops like MK Racing are going to sell for 5% under this, so around £320 if the srp stays at the projected £350. I also totally agree with HVAC's comments. Lets see some photos!

[autoxvw]

£350=$700+ or -.

[YZ~10]

i agree on mi2 ec and mi3 if its along those lines of quality it will be worth the wait, i just wish it had been made sooner as everyone has their choice of car for this season already?

[HVAC25000]

It's a shame the price is so high. The Mi-3 is only $400 here. I expected the CAT to be similarly priced. TC5/B44 cost the same. 501x/416 cost the same. Ithink the mr4bx/mr4tcbd cost about the same? Oh well, guess I'll have to wait til I'm rich to get one, or til I don't have a girlfriend :thumbdown: :cry:

[MattW]

UK rrp on Mi3 is £300, Cat SX is roumered to be rrp £350. I don't know if this figure is anything like true or not.

[HVAC25000]

UK rrp on Mi3 is £300, Cat SX is roumered to be rrp £350. I don't know if this figure is anything like true or not.

Why do you guys get screwed so badly on prices? That's $600 USD. Ridiculous...

$420 direct from Schumacher USA for me..

http://www.racing-cars.com/usa/search.asp?searchbox7=Electric+%2D+Touring+Cars&subcategory=Mi%2D3&category=New+Cars+%26+Parts&templateid=12

[Lee]

Because we live in rip-off britain, i doubt anything is cheaper over here than in the US.:(

[glypo]

Or because we live in a country with a strong economy (relative) so the pound is much stronger then dollar. It's all relative, we are paying the same relative amount. So don't worry the CAT SX will almost certainly not be $700! Should be around $460.

[HVAC25000]

I don't quite understand.

If your money is stronger, how come it takes more of it to buy the same thing? I never got to take economics so it's all new to me.


How much does someone working in a fast food restaurant (like mcdonald's, I think you guys have those?) make an hour? How much is taken out for taxes or whatever they're called there?

[woOdy]

I don't quite understand.

If your money is stronger, how come it takes more of it to buy the same thing? I never got to take economics so it's all new to me.


How much does someone working in a fast food restaurant (like mcdonald's, I think you guys have those?) make an hour? How much is taken out for taxes or whatever they're called there?


Hi. I raced in San D a few years ago back in the Navel base. That was a cool club with Krazy Kev. I had family from Chula vista, down on H street. I love over there dood.

[HVAC25000]

Hi. I raced in San D a few years ago back in the Navel base. That was a cool club with Krazy Kev. I had family from Chula vista, down on H street. I love over there dood.

Haha very strange coincidence. I was born in Chula Vista. Krazy Kevin's is still there, a very good hobby store now, great stock. Kevin's still a bit of an ass, though. :thumbsup:

[glypo]

If your money is stronger, how come it takes more of it to buy the same thing? I never got to take economics so it's all new to me.

It doesn't. Basically it's all relative. Say a RC car costs a week wages in the US, it costs a week wages in the UK also. It's just it's just it seems to cost more, but then we are paid more etc so overall in terms of wealth, as nations we are pretty equal. It's just the UK economy is quite strong at the moment as it seems less likely to crash then the US, and if so not on such a big scale, so international companies are storing money in UK banks. Hope that makes some kind of sense. Basically it means, UK having a strong economy makes it cheap for us to buy abroad, like from the USA.

As for McDonalds, for the lowest ranked employees it would range from minimum wage (£5.60 - $11.20) to around £8.50/$17 an hour in cities.

[HVAC25000]

Makes complete sense, Glypo. Thanks for explaining. Here we'd make about $7.75 an hour at McDonald's but you only get to take home about $5 because the government steals the rest.

[Fabs]

Makes complete sense, Glypo. Thanks for explaining. Here we'd make about $7.75 an hour at McDonald's but you only get to take home about $5 because the government steals the rest.

Quite the same here, but there is a much better health system :D

[Lee]

Although housing and oil/petrol are not relative to our wages, some of the neccessities of life.

The uk is actually the cheapest place in the world to refine oil, but probably the most expensive to purchase it. Me thinks were getting shafted.:(

[HVAC25000]

Although housing and oil/petrol are not relative to our wages, some of the neccessities of life.

The uk is actually the cheapest place in the world to refine oil, but probably the most expensive to purchase it. Me thinks were getting shafted.:(

Good thing you all race electric, then! :thumbsup:



Quite the same here, but there is a much better health system :D

Well we don't even have a health system, so yours is leaps and bounds beyond ours!




So is the CAT going to be a stick pack car? I'm sick of saddle packs, not because I have a thing for stick packs (I actually prefer saddle packs), but because in the U.S. they let us run LiPo and all my LiPos are sticks. Or I'm going to have to sell all my sticks and get Trakpower LiPos and figure out how to mount a saddle pack in my Mi-3...

[glypo]

It's going to be a 4-2 NiMH pack split as standard, although a chassis plate will be available (as an extra) that supports LiPo and moves the LiPo to get a good balance just like the 4-2 split cells. Or at least that's what we have been told.

[DaHomie]

Check out Schumachers homepage!!

[jimmy]

good spot, now added to the news section :)

[MattADH]

Could have fitted a new set of tyres!

[SHY]

The design is kinda Volvoish / boxy, but the engineering is very clever indeed! I like it when engineers think for themselves, there are way too many factories just copying successful designs!

Will be interesting to see how it handles!

Open gears is never ideal, but as well as the body is well closed I guess it should be no biggie...

*applause* :thumbsup:

[B44&501xRacerEX]

Oh my, it's been almost 20 years since my last Schuey CAT, but this car could bring me back to off road racing—even this crap hard pack clay we have in the States. :woot:

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/schumachercatsx-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/2008/02/toy-fair-schumacher-racing

my bad it's this one sorry....Ill let you people know how it handles
against my 501x and I'll give ya full results later in June.

[stegger]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::confused::(

[B44&501xRacerEX]

:cry::cry::cry::cry::confused::(

i MIGHT BE ABLE TO DRIVE IT THIS YEAR.
Jeff will be in the A-main I assume, I'll be back in the B-main.
But at practice I may get to test drive it.:thumbsup: