Your favourite Schumacher off-road?

[glypo]

Well now there is a Schumacher section to the amazing oOple forum, might as well use it!

I was just wondering, what has been your favourite Schumacher off-road buggy, 2wd or 4wd, heck both if you want, and of course why?

I have to say my favourite is the Cougar 2. Awesome buggy and I still have my original, and even a couple of second ones for spares and sorting out the original. Awesome handling buggy, and I certainly preferred the handling of the Cougar 2 over the Fireblade Evo. Why don't we see metal pans in 2wd any more? I think the low CoG and strength is well worth the little extra weight.

This isn't my cougar 2, just someone's from Schumacher website. I thought I'd need to stick a pretty photo to illustrate my favourite. :)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2KNOX29.jpg

[Chris Doughty]

I thought metal pans went out because they used to bend?

[Southwell]

My old cat 2000 SE with almost every chassis and alu parts modified and cut out :D Wish i had pics.

[trekkerkk]

for me my cat xls and bosscat :D
they just worked well everywhere,

trekkker

[Nick Goodall]

I drove various Schumacher cars when i started racing as a kid - the best one out of that lot at the time was Andy Shaw's Ex Factory Team Bosscat (not many people here would remember Andy but he was one of the sort of Top 10 UK guys back in the early/mid 90's).

That car had all kinds of prototype ideas ready for the Cat 2000 including a special rear shock tower moving the shocks on to the rear of the wishbones and some other bits.

I think overall though the Cat 2000 EC was probably the best car, it was so good on UK tracks - I remember Rich Barton winning the national at EPO when Kevin Moore was s*it hot around there with his XX-4, that must have been 1998/1999....... I actually had my best result with the Cat 3000 but that was at the Euro's, everywhere else it was pretty bad!

[Northy]

My ProCat rocks :thumbsup:

2006/07 York Vintage Off Road Master Champion and it's looking on the cards for the 07/08 series too :D

Oh, and it has soooooo much steering even Mr. Lowe has a job holding onto it! :lol::lol::lol:

[Alfonzo]

My fully tricked ex Team Ant Hill Mob Pro Cat (in obligatory early '90's fluorescent zebra stripe paint job). It brought home trophies and medals :lol::thumbsup:

[bondy]

I had the pleasure of owning Juka's Cat that he came 3rd in the worlds with in america ! Ran it for a season ! it was beyond me at the time !

[Kopite]

The original Cougar was a brilliant car for it's day, remember how long the front dampers were on it? I loved that car (especially when Schumacher brought out the 'Super diff' for it). The TopCat looked cool with the front shocks (didn't it have the wishbones on elastic bands on the front too?)

My fave was always the CAT 2000 though, just so damn easy to drive and handled so well. I never fully appreciated it until i replaced it with a YZ-10 :(

[Kopite]

The TopCat looked cool with the front shocks (didn't it have the wishbones on elastic bands on the front too?)
:(

to quote myself (loser), i think that might've been the XLS :)

[Chris Doughty]

top-cat has multi plane suspension, the front end on that thing was crazy! up/down back/forwards the wheels would go anywhere! :thumbsup:

[Kopite]

mmm, then there was SACS :thumbsup:

[Chrislong]

I always got on with the SACS cars, whereas I never really got the Cougar2 to work well for me.

I had several Procats and never made the step to the Bosscat, instead I bought several second hand Procats and kept on with it. The one I used was fully MMS's up, Boss cat shell on it, wire wing mounts (very low and far back wing, LOL) and it was awesome.

The Cat 2000 was my next car, it was okay, didn't seem to work aswell as my procat did, but when i went to the EC - wow, I loved that car. Full graphite and purple alloy kit on it too.

[GRIFF55]

For me, my favorite shuey has to be the XLS, oh i loved that car:wub. Still got most of the shells and the car in bits!! Will take pics when i get a chance. I had the XL, then XLS followed by a procat and top cat. Ditched 2wd when i got cougar upgrade. Bought the cat 2000 and as KOPITE replaced it with a yoke to my dissapointment.
XLS:drool::drool:

[markwilliamson2001]

I have got a cat 2000 ec at home in a box at the moment, which I am trying to sort out, with some choice upgrades, and improvements, I reckon it will be reasonable on UK tracks, especially at my local club.

I am trying to fit some choice upgrades, but my next step will be Cat 98 side saddle chassis, (for possible lipo modification), assoc threaded shocks, and brushless speedo, should be good!

What you guys think!!!??

Mark

[markwilliamson2001]

Check this out...

1-2 at Batley 2004(?)

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/batley150804/imagepages/batley4wdnational19.html (http://www.oople.com/forums/../rc/photos/batley150804/imagepages/batley4wdnational19.html)

M.

[Northy]

That's the Cat 3000 :thumbdown::thumbdown:

G

[markwilliamson2001]

yeah... i didn't really like the 'look' of the Cat 3000. Just looked 'odd'.

[Lee]

Cougar 2000 was great for me i really liked that car, i know a lot didnt:confused:

[SimonW]

In the late 80's i had Andy Butt's (regional champ or something) Short wheelbase original cat that was my favourite car by a country mile wish i still had that

[paulc]

top cat for me first rc car too

[paulc]

o and the storm truck too (coverted cougar):thumbsup:

[DCM]

either the Cat XLS with Pro Cat rear end or the original Cougar 2000

[jim76]

bosscat for me. the woven chassis just looked mint when it came out. and i also lapped Bren Ralls the club champion with it in my first meeting. The following week there were quite a few Bosscats!!

I really loved the cat 2000 too. i still have mine with full titanium and alloy kit. I dug it out when i returned to the hobby in 2004. It handled amazing at my local track, beat most of the local guys with a 19t in it, it couldn't handle much more power than that!!

[niggs98]

im sure bren was impressed lmao, i may even have to remind him lol for me it is definatley the xls, i had a top cat as well and was even among the first to use top cat rear wishbones on the xls after watching kevin moore do it to his at a regional

[jim76]

im sure bren was impressed lmao, i may even have to remind him lol

i think the print out is still on the wall at my parents! I'll try and grab it next time i'm there! :thumbsup:

[franki]

Cougar 2000 for me my mum bought it for me without my dad knowing :woot:

[bigred5765]

cougar 2 Works
and mms pro cat

[GRIFF55]

Those model motor sport diffs and layshaft were the Bol###s!

[MikePimlott]

I ran the cougar 2 for a long time, and at the time it was the best 2wd car you could buy. i remember running at L.U.T club at Leigh, and at the church in Chorley with Rib spike being choice of tyre on front and spike at the back. WOW those where the days.

[jeroen206]

I LIKED THESE THE MOST , THE EARLY ONES
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/8.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0735.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0629.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/34.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0648-1.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0538.jpg
http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0426.jpg

[ben]

It has to be the fireblade evo2 and the Cat 3000 for me. I still didnt really get good results from the cars though. :lol:

ben

[BORMAC]

Well now there is a Schumacher section to the amazing oOple forum, might as well use it!

I was just wondering, what has been your favourite Schumacher off-road buggy, 2wd or 4wd, heck both if you want, and of course why?

I have to say my favourite is the Cougar 2. Awesome buggy and I still have my original, and even a couple of second ones for spares and sorting out the original. Awesome handling buggy, and I certainly preferred the handling of the Cougar 2 over the Fireblade Evo. Why don't we see metal pans in 2wd any more? I think the low CoG and strength is well worth the little extra weight.

This isn't my cougar 2, just someone's from Schumacher website. I thought I'd need to stick a pretty photo to illustrate my favourite. :)
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2KNOX29.jpg
This Cougar2 doesnt just belong to someone from the Schumacher forum-ITS MINE-:lol:
All of the Schumacher buggies are excellent cars.They all perform diffently in different parts of the world.They certainly used to be race pedegree,thats for sure!

[schmacher]

cougar 2 works and cat 2000 ec...i sold my cougar 2 works car a long time ago...like a retard :(...been trying to find one on ebay since 2004

[glypo]

This Cougar2 doesnt just belong to someone from the Schumacher forum-ITS MINE-:lol:


Blimey I didn't even know you were on here mate. oOple stretches all the way to Australia, awesome. Very good looking Cougar 2 you have as well :)

[JBL]

When I first started out I use to race a Cat XL and upgraded it to a XLS and finally a procat. I also ventured into 2wd with a Cougar as well. With the Cat the MMS diffs and RW spur gears/slipper clutches were better and smoother than Schumachers upgrades.

Also I tried a YZ10 with a CAT XLS front end on it? Does anybody remember the Cat fighter? A few of us tried this out at the old Toddington race track in Bedfordshire.

[bish]

damn, those pics bring back great memories! sweet topcat with black chassis...and the bosscat works(had one)...and the cat xls(had one) i liked the cougar 2000 '95 full carbon, was never convinced by the SACS front end though. i want by bosscat back! handled great with loads of front grip, if only the drivetrain was more efficient i would have never bothered to get a pred!

[Gayo]

I had a Procat and I loved every bit of it but it has to be the Bosscat, for me.
I've done hundred of runs on mine and also won my first race with it. :D
I remember when they first came out, red anodising was sooo sexy, along with the then new slipper, beautiful front arms, lovely CF and flat rims... the bomb.

Differential smoothess was incredible, specially with the special telescopic alloy dogbones. Aaaah, memories :lol::cry:

[Funkymojo]

My fave is the CAT XLS...it was really a great handling buggy. The Procat ain't too bad either...wanted to get a Bosscat but bought a Yokomo Works 91 instead...nowhere near as good as the CAT XLS and Procat... :thumbdown:

[BORMAC]

I love the Schumacher buggies.Here's a few of the cars in my current collection-
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/CopyofVintage-racemeet040.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/CopyofVintage-racemeet041.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/CopyofVintage-racemeet027.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/TopcatWorks.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/TopcatWorks1.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/TopcatWorks5.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Works2.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Works23.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Works25.jpg

[BORMAC]

...and here are some more pics of the cars I keep in my collection today-
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Team2.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Team4.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2000CarbonFibre.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/NewSTORMtruck200626.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/NewSTORMtruck20061.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/SunkidsEaster061.jpg

[BORMAC]

.......
http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/splendour07012.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/splendour07018.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/DSC02319.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/DSC02322.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Worksbuggy22.jpg

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i133/bormac/Cougar2Worksbuggy26.jpg

[stulec52]

I was going to say the CAT2K TC, but that's hardly off road...

So, for me the biggest advance on anything else around at the time was when the original CAT2K came out. That car on crazy UK indoor tracks was awesome !
I got mine the day before the big annual indoor race at Gateshead 1 year, and finished building at trackside about 7am....
Finished 2nd overall !
awesome car.
Still got one.
Original CAT was great too, but for anyone who ever had to build a pre XLS model, you'll understand why it's not a fave... it was a tough build !
As for those Pro Cat lovers, it was a good car after you dumped another 100+ pounds of aftermarket parts into it.....

[jeroen206]

[quote=bish;92233]damn, those pics bring back great memories! sweet topcat with black chassis...

A carbonfibre tub http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0517.jpg


And this is my favorite Shelf queen

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n227/JEROEN206/PICT0756.jpg

[bish]

i'll never forget the cat xls build.i've never stabbed my hand so many times thanks to those slotted self tappers used to hold it together! couldn't see the carbon from the angle in the frst pic, that is nice, very jealous! i still have a schumacher axis pro, but it's nowhere near the same :-(

[GRIFF55]

this is the only Shuey car i have left, with rcp shell and garfield which my mother used to paint for me!

[abray]

Has to be a Cat 2000! Hadn't raced 4wd for about 8 years until last year - Eden Park Raceway brought back the old memories. Managed to get a reasonable one on ebay, loads of new parts and have run it with standard layout (apart from some c/f) since the middle of last year. It's still awesome around eden park (especially with brushless) and I still run the same old setup!!

[U.S.CAT3K]

Wow...everyone's really down on the 3000. Did the car just not fare well in the UK, or was it the same everywhere else? I'm still working on a setup, but the only real area I find the car to be lacking in thus far is that it could use a tad more on-power steering; jumps well and has pretty good off-power steering, even with the front diff. Love that it's tough-as-nails and reasonably quick given its relatively tall internal ratio.

So the 3K would be my current favorite, though I still have my first 4WD offroad chassis (LWB XL) that's only missing a body, tray, and wing.

[schmacher]

i drove better with the cat 2000 ec than the cat 3000...plus it just looks cooler with the laydown shocks :D

[ApexSpeed]

My favorite was the original short wheelbase CAT. That car changed 4wd racing here in the U.S. from what was dominated by Yokomo. I'll never forget the first ones I saw, and how shocked I was at the strange looks, black wheels and blistering speeds.

I loved my TRC-chassised XL, and I'd buy another in a heartbeat if I could find one.

[quincey]

out of all the schumacher cars ive owned and still own it has to be my cougar 2 works/2000 hybrid,it used mainley cougar 2 works bits with a home brew chassis and cougar 2000 shock mounts with tamiya hicap dampers and it still goeslike the clappers.
my procat was later sold for a mint bosscat works which has got minor steering issues either to much or too little??:eh?:

[BORMAC]

I have a real passion for the old Schumacher buggies as well as the new. I own a set of the alloy ball raced steering arms which are rarer than hens teeth. Ive taken them to an engineer friend of mine and he's made up some scale 3D drawings on his computer and emailed them off to a couple of machinists. The quote has come back and I may look at buying 100 pieces which will obviously make up 50 pairs. Im yet to see if its worth my while as Im not trying to make a lot of money from this-just happy to cover the costs necassary. These items will fit the CAT,CAT XL, CAT XLS, PROCAT and BOSSCAT. Ive been running the ball raced steering levers on my Bosscat and they really are sweet items-far better than the old plastic units. If you are intersted shoot me a PM.

[Northy]

Are they rare? :o I have them on my ProCat vintage runner :lol:

G

[BORMAC]

Northy you may be one of the lucky ones. I bought out an entire importer years ago of all his stock ( a mountain of stuff) and I got 3 pairs of these items nib. I havent seen many around. I sold 2 Bosscat works cars fitted with these but you may be the first person Ive heard of that has them too. It will be interesting to see if there are many people out there that have them.:D

[MattW]

Fairly sure there is alloy ball raced steering on my old Procat as well. It also has adjustable camber upper front wishbones - now i never did see many of those :thumbsup:

[Northy]

They came on a £19 Ebay wreck that when it came had MMS diffs front and rear, MMS layshaft, Wasp belts, ali Z bracket, ali chassis H brace, ali ballraced steering, ali top and bottom chassis...... :thumbsup: Good score :lol:

G

[Northy]

Fairly sure there is alloy ball raced steering on my old Procat as well. It also has adjustable camber upper front wishbones - now i never did see many of those :thumbsup:

LMAO, I have some of those too Matt! :woot::woot:

G

[Spencer Mulcahy]

G what havn't you got.

[matt]

I loved my Cougar 2000 95. I got a mint 1 of ebay about 2 years ago, all i need for it now is a body:cry:. I've also got a FAB 2000 that is a conversion for a cougar that gave it a mid motor and a sadle pack layout.

[chokoboy]

The first cat i owned was a 2wd topcat that i bought from my cousin, i had a reedy pink dot motor, think it was 12x2 turn and it was fast as hell.
I had my topcat for years but it was impossible to find parts for it here in Norway. I later bought a cat 2000ec, bought some sanyo 3200mah batteries and a reedy sonic II 11x2 turn and only drove it 3 times.
Picked up my 2000ec at my moms house about 2 years ago and all the tires had crack's in it. Bought some new Losi tires for it but have not tried it yet....Wil post some pic's of it later:p

[Belsten]

It has to be the xls with all the tricked out mms bits. Does anyone remember the phase that people went through drilling holes in the chassis or was that just me :lol:

[Body Paint]

Has to be the Bosscat for me, I had my first TQ at RRCi series back in the day with a Bosscat just a week after it had been released.

I remember your swiss cheese chassis Dave, in fact I think I still have one in my celar LOL.

[Belsten]

That was funny, I drilled the chassis so much I had to run an alloy top deck :eh?: ah fond memories

[peetbee]

That was funny, I drilled the chassis so much I had to run an alloy top deck :eh?: ah fond memories
mmmm, and then you drilled holes in that! :o

[Welshy40]

Has to be the Bosscat for me, I had my first TQ at RRCi series back in the day with a Bosscat just a week after it had been released.

I remember your swiss cheese chassis Dave, in fact I think I still have one in my celar LOL.

Well I hate to admit it and sorry Dave, but even though your car was fantastic and lets face it heavilly modded, I preferred driving Craigs Bosscat.

Hey craig remember the 24 hour race we did in Minehead?? (I think it was minehead) hehe that was a fun week wasnt it. I was close to buying one myself as it was fantastic, an improvement on the XLS in my opinion.

[A.J. Gee]

Thats quite a collection of some beautiful buggies you got there BORMAC. I myself have never owned a Schumacher before, but i think in gonna have to get me the SX when it comes out. Well maybe after i sell some of my stuff first.:p

[Welshy40]

Thats quite a collection of some beautiful buggies you got there BORMAC. I myself have never owned a Schumacher before, but i think in gonna have to get me the SX when it comes out. Well maybe after i sell some of my stuff first.:p

Hold your horses on that, seeing as they are not showing any pics yet I seem to have a funny feeling that it wont be as good as the Tamiya 501X.

Sorry to say it but if they actually post a few pics now and do a bit of proper advertising then they actually may get a lot of people waiting, just like the JC concepts and boy did they get a lot of people waiting, but Shumacher doesnt then they wont get as much business. Heck i want a new one now and as its not available im buying Tamiya.

[mes]

For me, it's the Cougar 2...my only Schumacher so far!

[Mossy]

Cat 3000 for definate. Won 2 nationals and 3rd at the Euros (on clay aswell!) with that car.

Never changed the setup, great at most places!

To be fair tho, the CAT SX is right up there...