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jimmy
08-02-2008, 10:47 AM
REDRC.net got the first shots of the new S500 4WD buggy from Serpent in their comprehensive report on the Nuremberg ToyFair 2008.

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/serpents500-lr.jpg


The new car is based on the original Durango concept - but reworked from the ground up by Gerd and the designers at Serpent.

The S500 features a flat pressed main chassis with machined screwed-on sides, which form a rather unique alloy 'tub' - providing both strength and weather sealing, negating the need for an undertray or top deck.
The rear of the chassis appears to have a plastic 'skid plate' to prevent the chassis from wearing on hard surfaces.

As we said last week - the new car widens toward the front to accomodate 'regular' sized electrics, and the servo sits under the steering.


http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/serpents500rear-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/serpents500front-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/serpents500chassis-2-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/serpents500chassis-3-lr.jpg

http://www.redrc.net/2008/02/toy-fair-serpent-s500-first-pics/#more-7787

jimmy
08-02-2008, 10:51 AM
http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/gallery/serpent/SerpentS500CenterGear.jpg



http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/gallery/serpent/SerpentS500RearDrive.jpghttp://www.redrc.net/wp-content/gallery/serpent/SerpentS500Front.jpg

Lee
08-02-2008, 10:59 AM
STUNNING!!!

That chassis looks awesome, and serpent quality.

I can see all the emails flying off to aero now to cancell the order:lol:

DCM
08-02-2008, 10:59 AM
now that I LIKE!!! that is just awesome lateral thinking!!

bondy
08-02-2008, 11:03 AM
Hope you can get trakpowers new saddle pack Lipo's in there! If mr christopher had anything to do with it they will know doubt!

Looks intresting !

Northy
08-02-2008, 11:05 AM
It seems like Ali chassis's are this years 'new black' :thumbsup::thumbsup:

G

Teddy truman
08-02-2008, 11:06 AM
That looks tidy!

Belsten
08-02-2008, 11:06 AM
that looks well sweet, very tempting indeed

Chris Doughty
08-02-2008, 11:08 AM
looks pretty good, seems to have put on a big of weight since the worlds though :eh?:

Lee
08-02-2008, 11:08 AM
Lovin the quick release slipper unit:thumbsup:

bigred5765
08-02-2008, 11:11 AM
and enclosed spur gear wow
loving it looks quality

big air
08-02-2008, 11:12 AM
very nice!!! :thumbsup: 10th 4wd are starting to look like 8th scale buggy's, chassis wise

Phil Channon
08-02-2008, 11:15 AM
Nice looking car.
But how does the steering work ?
Looking at the pictures the servo horn faces into the car and there is no signs of a linkage OR is the servo installed wrong ?

jimmy
08-02-2008, 11:20 AM
I think you need to look harder phil;)

big air
08-02-2008, 11:21 AM
Nice looking car.
But how does the steering work ?
Looking at the pictures the servo horn faces into the car and there is no signs of a linkage OR is the servo installed wrong ?

second pic ;)

Phil Channon
08-02-2008, 11:22 AM
I see it now.:thumbsup:

big air
08-02-2008, 11:22 AM
Does anyone know if this is the final production car???

jimmy
08-02-2008, 11:23 AM
No, it isn't the finished production car

Northy
08-02-2008, 11:24 AM
Lovin the quick release slipper unit:thumbsup:

That'll be needed to change the cells then.

I can tell you from experience, removing the slipper to change the cells gets tedious..... :yawn:

And imagine if it popped open over the big jump at Batley!

jimmy
08-02-2008, 11:25 AM
You change the cells with the quick release drive shaft, NOT THE SLIPPER :woot:

big air
08-02-2008, 11:25 AM
so we might not get the alloy chassis :yawn: be plastic instead :thumbdown:

Bathy
08-02-2008, 11:25 AM
That looks bloody awesome!

Can they do one in blue? ta :D

nitrokillah
08-02-2008, 11:26 AM
No offence AERO but I have to admit This one look it the one to have.
Every thing looks like it's been engineered 3 times over.
No cheap compromise.

With all this Great Cars commin' out , I'm having a hard time decidin' witch one to go for.

Hats off to Serpent and their RD team for this. really looks like a threat.

jimmy
08-02-2008, 11:29 AM
so we might not get the alloy chassis :yawn: be plastic instead :thumbdown:

No like I said its an alloy chassis with alloy side parts.. If this one is hand machined and formed because the production one isn't ready or that the plastics are spray painted black because they are some protoypes then you get the idea.
The final car will look like this. ;)

DCM
08-02-2008, 11:31 AM
That looks bloody awesome!

Can they do one in blue? ta :D

you could always have the anodic coating removed and all the parts re-anodised Bathy....

jimmy
08-02-2008, 11:32 AM
That chassis might look a bit minging if you anodised it anything but that 'raw' colour. well, after a couple of packs thru the car outdoors it would anyway

DCM
08-02-2008, 11:34 AM
use some protetion Jimmy, put a car condom on it... roflol...

jimmy
08-02-2008, 11:38 AM
Perhaps a liberal coating of KY underneath it? :lol: that's the shame about such a lovely looking chassis, its gonna get abused. Oh well:drool:

Southwell
08-02-2008, 11:39 AM
you could always have the anodic coating removed and all the parts re-anodised Bathy....

Already suggested that to him lol.

DCM
08-02-2008, 11:43 AM
Perhaps a liberal coating of KY underneath it? :lol: that's the shame about such a lovely looking chassis, its gonna get abused. Oh well:drool:

but these are designed to be abused aren't they.... lol...

And if you can't get good feeling from the normal chassis condom, maybe go for ribbed :woot:

burgie
08-02-2008, 12:24 PM
those cells look mighty close together :woot:
i presume there is a tray or something that will restrict forward movement of the rear set of cells in an impact or heavy landing???

nice looking car though

dancoog
08-02-2008, 12:39 PM
Wow, that looks very impressive!

Looks like the EP market is really heating up. I can't wait to see what this season brings in terms of results.

Too bad there isn't a worlds this year. Should mean a diverse Euros and Nationals series.

I personaly can't wait.
:thumbsup:

GRIFF55
08-02-2008, 12:53 PM
No Worlds? The s500 does look well made i have to say! Nice one

OldTimer
08-02-2008, 12:55 PM
Even i like it :D

JohnM
08-02-2008, 01:07 PM
Oh well, looks like I'll be getting a divorce then! :lol:

That is simply stunning :thumbsup:

Southwell
08-02-2008, 01:14 PM
No Worlds? The s500 does look well made i have to say! Nice one

Their every two years.

Gayo
08-02-2008, 01:26 PM
:wub:wub:blush::drool:

Any release date ? Even unfounded rumors are OK :D

franki
08-02-2008, 01:28 PM
:wub:wub:blush::drool:

Any release date ? Even unfounded rumors are OK :D

just what i was going to say!!! it would be nice to see more pics of the Aero so we can have a good look at them both. The S500 looks fab must say

GRIFF55
08-02-2008, 01:34 PM
Their every two years.

Cheers mate!

Wraggy
08-02-2008, 01:42 PM
car looks great but dont like the chassis now they have made it fatter !!
you dont gain anything from it so pointless to me ..

Southwell
08-02-2008, 01:45 PM
car looks great but dont like the chassis now they have made it fatter !!
you dont gain anything from it so pointless to me ..

I believe it's to make sure all types of electrics will fit in with no problems, although they look like they would being thinner anyway....you don't like curves then wraggy? ;)

Alfonzo
08-02-2008, 02:01 PM
That looks the business, the absolute business. What a treat we have for 2008 :drool::woot:

jimmy
08-02-2008, 02:06 PM
agreed! when I started racing in 2002 the selection was pathetic. now there are more cars than I could possibly afford - and I want them all :lol:

Alfonzo
08-02-2008, 02:40 PM
Likewise :drool::woot::drool::)

JohnM
08-02-2008, 03:03 PM
now there are more cars than I could possibly afford - and I want them all :lol:

Snap! and thats where the wife and I have a difference of opinion:lol:

Mutant
08-02-2008, 04:44 PM
i see that a reciever and ESC has not been fitted. It almost looks like we would have to choose one or the other! I wonder if there is a pre-order list?

RogerM
08-02-2008, 05:33 PM
Well that looks nice doesn't it!!! You just can't knock Serpent for build / manufacturing quality as they are amongst the best in this business!!

The weight distribution will be interesting to see. Servo and cells on the centre line ... great ........... going to have to be a really FAT speedo and Rx to balance the motor to get the front side to side distribution on the money ....... or a lot of lead!!!

One of the 4wd's I have sitting on my desk in front of me has to use only 10g extra weight to get the side-side weight distribution spot on both front and rear and the other needed less than that!!!! Before anybody pipes up my stock ZX5-SP is under the desk and the BJ4WE is in a different room.

Don't want to sound too negative and please read this how it is meant ...... just wondering about relative corner weights of this car when compared against some of the others.

mark christopher
08-02-2008, 06:28 PM
Hope you can get trakpowers new saddle pack Lipo's in there! If mr christopher had anything to do with it they will know doubt!

Looks intresting !

not had any input! looks like lipo could be a squeeze but i spooted a way to fit em already :thumbsup:


last thing i heard they were using alloy as the chassis

DaveG28
08-02-2008, 07:24 PM
Any estimated release date??

Apologies for repeating other peoples question!

freud
08-02-2008, 08:07 PM
normally in May

Gayo
08-02-2008, 09:21 PM
normally in May

Aren't you mistaken with the CAT ??:cry:

T'aurais pas confondu avec le CAT ?

andys
08-02-2008, 09:34 PM
Well, looks rather familiar to me...

If I was Aero, i'd be setting my lawyers on these cowboys :):);)

Renegade
08-02-2008, 09:54 PM
Wasnt the durango out much before the aero and the atomic carbon cars? And if they are going to play that game I guess jconcepts, associated, and hotbodies are gonna have to duke it out as well. IMO this is the best wheeler I've seen and I'm really digging the aluminum chassis.

bender
09-02-2008, 04:27 AM
The weight distribution will be interesting to see. Servo and cells on the centre line ... great ........... going to have to be a really FAT speedo and Rx to balance the motor to get the front side to side distribution on the money ....... or a lot of lead!!!

Yeah I was wondering the same...

Are brushless motors lighter than brushed? If a brushless motor is a bit lighter, then that combined with the bigger, heavier brushless esc might re-balnce the car somewhat.

bender
09-02-2008, 04:35 AM
How good does it look :thumbsup:

http://www.redrc.net/wp-content/gallery/serpent/SerpentS500Body-4.jpg

HVAC25000
09-02-2008, 04:56 AM
cccccccccccrazy. but i like it!

super__dan
09-02-2008, 08:43 AM
Rog - Brushless motors (Novak L's anyway ;) ) are lighter than my brushed motors and the ESC are certainly bigger and heavier than my old brushless ones. Not sure if it exactly balances, but not a million miles off.

nitrokillah
09-02-2008, 09:06 AM
Don't get me wrong ... this car dose look Amazing:drool:. But I like the S4/S44 Carbon Fiber based chassis better...
I don't think it will bother me as much to struff-up that alu chassis as it would a carbon one.
Humm... hint hint

mark christopher
09-02-2008, 09:55 AM
Any estimated release date??

Apologies for repeating other peoples question!

i was last told sept/october ish

Well, looks rather familiar to me...

If I was Aero, i'd be setting my lawyers on these cowboys :):);)
what came 1st the durango or the aero?

RogerM
09-02-2008, 10:10 AM
Rog - Brushless motors (Novak L's anyway ;) ) are lighter than my brushed motors and the ESC are certainly bigger and heavier than my old brushless ones. Not sure if it exactly balances, but not a million miles off.

I've been at the CAD station recently Dan and before I started I weighed lots of options, although I must admit that I used Paul W's cell weights as lets face, what is the chance Paul's scales are significantly in error ... zero .. LOL

I've compared brushed combinations (Nosram Dominator speedos and BRM / checkpoint motors) and brushless (Novak GTB 5.5R and LRP TC and X11 6.5) along with servos from Hitec, Futaba and KO. Also taken both AMB and MRT PTs in to consideration too.

Based on those measurements and my CAD models the S500 will have to be fitted with more lead than an Edwardian terrace's plumbing if it's too balance perfectly side - side both front and rear.

How much will people notice it? Open for debate.

franki
09-02-2008, 10:11 AM
[quote=mark christopher;92286]i was last told june ish

Looks like another long wait :thumbdown:

Cockerill
09-02-2008, 10:17 AM
Based on those measurements and my CAD models the S500 will have to be fitted with more lead than an Edwardian terrace's plumbing if it's too balance perfectly side - side both front and rear.

How much will people notice it? Open for debate.

Does it want to be equal front/back. Most current cars that are at the top of the lists have the batts at the back for more rear weight.

Lee
09-02-2008, 10:21 AM
I've been at the CAD station recently Dan and before I started I weighed lots of options, although I must admit that I used Paul W's cell weights as lets face, what is the chance Paul's scales are significantly in error ... zero .. LOL

I've compared brushed combinations (Nosram Dominator speedos and BRM / checkpoint motors) and brushless (Novak GTB 5.5R and LRP TC and X11 6.5) along with servos from Hitec, Futaba and KO. Also taken both AMB and MRT PTs in to consideration too.

Based on those measurements and my CAD models the S500 will have to be fitted with more lead than an Edwardian terrace's plumbing if it's too balance perfectly side - side both front and rear.

How much will people notice it? Open for debate.

Roger, when i raced on road i tried this and i had to add 170g to get my car up to the weight limit, so i made sure the car was balanced perfectly side to side at one meeting, now i will say i noticed a very slight difference but i dont think it made lap times any faster to be honest and remember this was snooker table smooth. On a bumpy off road track i really dont think it would make the slightest bit of difference

RogerM
09-02-2008, 10:30 AM
Does it want to be equal front/back. Most current cars that are at the top of the lists have the batts at the back for more rear weight.

I meant that the front side - side was equal across the car and the rear side - side was equal across the car, not that front and rear weight distribution would be equal (ie. 50 / 50).

If you look at comparing the S4 and BJ4WE it's based on you will find that the front / rear split on those cars are quite different, some will prefer teh stability of the more rearward weight balance of teh BJ4WE ... many seem to prefer the more forward weight distribution of the S4 as it makes the front the car easier to set up to steer agressively.

It's all about personal preference at the end of the day. I was just stating my first thoughts on seeing the car, not wanting to start some heavy debate.

No doubting that the Serpent is going to be built almost bomb proof .... I remember my old 1/8th on-road car from the late 80s ... if you hit something with that it disintergrated and the Serpent just carried on!!

I am sure it will be the strongest off-roader out there which will make it very popular for that reason alone!

Cockerill
09-02-2008, 11:11 AM
I read your post as front/rear and side/side

mark christopher
09-02-2008, 11:23 AM
sideto side will make little change in buggy, check rally x, tc is more pedantic on set up like this

mark christopher
09-02-2008, 01:45 PM
[quote=mark christopher;92286]i was last told june ish

Looks like another long wait :thumbdown:
good things come to those who wait!

franki
09-02-2008, 04:11 PM
[quote=franki;92291]
good things come to those who wait!

You have got me there mate very true. :woot: does that mean Man City will win somthing this year as i have been waiting for ages:woot:

matdodd
10-02-2008, 10:38 AM
[quote=mark christopher;92368]

You have got me there mate very true. :woot: does that mean Man City will win somthing this year as i have been waiting for ages:woot:


No it doesn't :D

franki
10-02-2008, 03:07 PM
[quote=franki;92406]


No it doesn't :D

He he

HVAC25000
10-02-2008, 07:40 PM
sideto side will make little change in buggy, check rally x, tc is more pedantic on set up like this

Could you elaborate? I'm unsure how it could not matter whether a car is balanced or side heavy. If the car is heavy on one side it's going to jump crooked and turn in one direction better than the other. Just ask my BJ4.

HVAC25000
10-02-2008, 07:43 PM
Does it want to be equal front/back. Most current cars that are at the top of the lists have the batts at the back for more rear weight.

Contrary to that, the S4 has the motor in the front, and the batts in the back, and it's well known that it's a weight forward car. The motor in the front adds more weight than the batteries in the back.

freud
11-02-2008, 01:04 PM
News from serpent THE PRICE IS 450 euro + -

SimonW
11-02-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm guessing that would equate to about 320-350 depending on money strengths and all

Lee
11-02-2008, 02:11 PM
Could you elaborate? I'm unsure how it could not matter whether a car is balanced or side heavy. If the car is heavy on one side it's going to jump crooked and turn in one direction better than the other. Just ask my BJ4.

It sounds tweaked to me mate, i have never had a problem with the Bj jumping crooked, its always very predictable. Im sure mr lowe would back me up on this, as well as doughty and the other people who run cars with the motors that run length ways.

There is far more rotating mass with in the wheels and tyres to out weigh the difference between the motor and speedo, servo and reciever

Plus the motor spins toward the centre of the car so surely that would try to lift that side of the car as well????

sparrow.2
11-02-2008, 03:27 PM
Let's hope it's not just pretty to look at like the S400 which has the crappest plastic known to RC...

It does look the part though...

nitrokillah
11-02-2008, 04:07 PM
Let's hope it's not just pretty to look at like the S400 which has the crappest plastic known to RC...

It does look the part though...


do you own an S400 or is that just a rumer???
Cuz that dosen't sound to good.

freud
13-02-2008, 07:37 PM
not gonna be out till June july 2008

NEWS FROM SERPENT

Lee
13-02-2008, 07:44 PM
the summer season ends in august:(

not the best time to bring a car out IMO

I think AE got the timing perfect with the b44, before the hype of the cat, aero and serpent, even before xmas. whatever happens now they have made their cash:thumbsup:

HVAC25000
13-02-2008, 08:13 PM
not gonna be out till June july 2008

NEWS FROM SERPENT

I can see it now, though! The thing is done! :( As if I'll be able to afford one... lol

mattym0310
13-02-2008, 10:19 PM
It sounds tweaked to me mate, i have never had a problem with the Bj jumping crooked, its always very predictable. Im sure mr lowe would back me up on this, as well as doughty and the other people who run cars with the motors that run length ways.

There is far more rotating mass with in the wheels and tyres to out weigh the difference between the motor and speedo, servo and reciever

Plus the motor spins toward the centre of the car so surely that would try to lift that side of the car as well????

i think he means he has a bj4 lee, not a bj4 worlds ;)

HVAC25000
13-02-2008, 10:22 PM
i think he means he has a bj4 lee, not a bj4 worlds ;)

Indeed, I have the non-worlds, where 2/3rds of the weight is on the left side of the car.

b4rs
14-02-2008, 03:17 PM
im in love with the orange bits, they look sweet!

or as our jimbob would say
"look at them badboys"

jimmy
14-02-2008, 03:22 PM
haha, yes! ;)

Orange is the best.

bigred5765
14-02-2008, 04:54 PM
hmm jaffa or satsuma

LEGEND
29-02-2008, 06:43 PM
I personally think that this is the best looking 4wd electric car i have ever seen. Just the look of how smooth and thought it is, is absolutely unbelievable. And if it is coming out toward the end of the season then i think that i may be getting a new car for christmas then.:drool::woot::lol:

mark christopher
29-02-2008, 07:00 PM
Let's hope it's not just pretty to look at like the S400 which has the crappest plastic known to RC...

It does look the part though...

dont know what you mean i have crashed my s400 into some pretty solid objects and nothing broke, same for the plastic on my 720 and 835??

josh_smaxx
29-02-2008, 07:56 PM
Let's hope it's not just pretty to look at like the S400 which has the crappest plastic known to RC...

It does look the part though...

You obviously havent seen a TT-01 then :eh?: the plastic on the S400 i think is very strong, it has taken a bloody hard hit for me to break anything.