Buggies at GERCC

[R4BX]

Sup Dudes!

This forum is very small haha! Nethertheless, it seems a few people seem curious of buggies racing on friday nights so...

I've revived my old Yokomo MR4BX from the top of the shelf and it is now in full race winning order ;) Sadly not many other buggies seem to be running, there were 2 this week just gone but im not sure if they will stick at them if a few more people don't get their old scrap out!

Ill be running mine certainly for the next championship regardless of there being a specific heat for them or not, so if anybody feels the urge to race one, be assured there will be another one there :)

Ill upload some photos this evening of some cars i've owned over the years as a kind of name and shame exercise ;) and to get some colour onto the forum!

Ed

[RogerM]

Great news ... I will hopefully soon be a regular with my current Kyosho cars and I'm going to be bringing my mate Adam along too, also Kyosho (what else???)

[LongRat]

Hm, I'm tempted myself too. I'd have to buy a buggy though, although Jon's Losi 22 was definitely a tempting prospect, it's a great looking car. I would take a lot of pleasure in thrashing you with one of those Ed ;)
I have a spare Hobbywing 13T setup now too (plus that receiver Ed) so just need a rolling chassis. I might be up for it. Definitely going to stick with the HPI too though.

[Simion Wabs]

talking of spare recievers.... does anyone have a spare 40mhz Futaba rx? I think its an rj152e or something. Can any 2 channel 40mhz rx work with a Futaba transmitter? My buggy has intermittent forward action, no issues in reverse. I have changed the esc and motor but the effects are the same so must be either rx or tx. Have tried alternative transmitter rx combo and it runs fine. Would like to try alternative rx so I can eliminate/identify the faulty part.
Cheers

Si

[RogerM]

I've got a few 40MHz RXs that I've used with Futaba TXs in the past, just need to find them!

[Simion Wabs]

@ Roger,

would be good if you could bring them along on Friday.

I might need to take them away to try on the buggy if that is ok with you. Running two cars I won't have the time to test the buggy aswell.:(

Cheers

Si

[LongRat]

AM and FM issues aside (these are not interchangeable even if you are on the same band) there are to my knowledge at least 2 common encoding methods for 40MHz FM RF. Futaba have PPM and PCM which is a standard some other manufacturers use. As far as I know all of their car stuff is PPM, the PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) is reserved for the more expensive 35MHz air radios. I think the PPM method is what most other manufacturers use, I am most familiar with Hitec as that is what I used to run. I still have several Hitec receivers and a spare transmitter which I can bring down on Friday.
To be honest I would suspect the crystal before anything else though.

[Simion Wabs]

cheers dave,
are you saying the cheapo types will be compatable but the more expensive types won't due to the signal modulation technique incorporated. I'll change the crystals and see what happens. Will bring buggy on friday but as you are aware space in a Mr 2 is very minimal :yawn:

[ryan edwards]

sup peeps

just wondering whos coming on friday and what there racing

[LongRat]

Simon,
I am saying I am pretty sure most 40MHz FM car radios run what Futaba call PPM. So they should be compatible. There may be a difference with KO as I think they have their own modulation, wouldn't be surprised if it is PCM. Sorry, re-reading it I realise that last post of mine was totally unclear.

Ryan,
s'appenin gangsta? I can't comment for anyone else but I am coming on Friday and will be racing my HPI in touring, with a load more new kit on it if I can get the work done in time. Oh yeah and Simon said he was coming too.

[RogerM]

I've used the same recievers with Futaba PPM and KO radios so no problems there ... As for Friday hopefully, buggy if I can make it.

[Simion Wabs]

update

tried new crystals, still have glitching on full throttle. Still need to determine rx or tx fault. :thumbdown:

[ryan edwards]

k i will be racing a mardave there friday

Simon
Just wondering when u are next bringing the onboard camera

[Simion Wabs]

@ Ryan,

if I remember I'll charge it up and bring it along. It's just that the memory taken up by a 6minute video is massive and it takes an age to upload onto youtube on a wireless laptop!
See you on Friday night with or without camera :)

Si

[ryan edwards]

k:) see u tommorow

[RogerM]

Forgot how much like hard work it is to get a buggy around in there, especially one still setup for proper off road!

Was fun though, I will be back and I will bring others :)

[ryan edwards]

Last meeting was fun i will be there in two weeks wish everyone luck for next week

[LongRat]

All I can say to the buggy boys - grow some balls and lose the front drive!

[Simion Wabs]

@ Roger and RB4X
thought your final last night was excellent to watch. Close racing with two well setup buggies:thumbsup: all you need now is on board footage!!

Wabs

[RogerM]

Simon, my car was still set up for proper off-road so was FAR from ideal on such a small and tight high grip carpet track! Was fun though.

As for onboard footage feel free to provide a solution to that and I'll be happy to strap it into my car for next time :)

[gordy]

erm you no like i retired like erm well maybe i havent like retired

[RogerM]

erm you no like i retired like erm well maybe i havent like retired


So does that mean that we'll have the pleasure of avoiding ... I mean racing with you again soon??? :thumbsup:

[LongRat]

erm you no like i retired like erm well maybe i havent like retired

I knew it was only a matter of time.
Jon's battery has arrived so there will be another racing 2WD this week.

[gordy]

yep ill be getting in the way again. after the surgery my eyes are much better
i thought i would do it proper this time and only use top line equipment
so IV got a 90s rc 10 b3 that i was given :drool:

[RogerM]

If it's going to be predominately 2wd I'll have to start preping Scorpion :D

[gordy]

Yep the only 4wd is Ed because he can't drive a 2wd. It's a gay thing I think .:p

[LongRat]

Roger, if you have a Scorpion please bring it down, I would love to see it even if you don't race it!

[RogerM]

I do have an original Scorpion BUT that isn't what I was refering to .. Scorpion was my mid motored RB5 conversion (the first car available that could run mid or rear motor, 3 or 4 gear transmission ... designed back in 2009!!) I sold a few of.

Car is awesome, you'll have to have a look and maybe a drive if we can get your Tx bound to her.

[LongRat]

That sounds awesome I would be well up for it.

[R4BX]

Hahaha, excuses excuses roger haha! Well, all I can say is ill very much enjoy the pleasure of thrashing you all into last century, which is where your 2wd cars belong haha!

Oh and if someone could bring some spare carpet as we need some to protect the carpet when we land of jumps?! That would be good though :)

Ed

[LongRat]

Ed, with your intimate close up knowledge of rugs and carpets based upon years of experience with your face in them I would have thought you would be the man for that.

[gordy]

Ed, with your intimate close up knowledge of rugs and carpets based upon years of experience with your face in them I would have thought you would be the man for that.

The man speaks the truth Ed does enjoy a good shag Pile.
It doesn't matter what Ed says about 2wheel drives, he's already told me he can't drive 2 wheel drive! He does have the reactions of a dead goat you know!! You're just not man enough for it Ed

[R4BX]

I have the nimble reactions of a wild mountain goat! Ah you would know about the shag pile gordy i believe you recomended it to me out of experience ;)


The bare facts are these, the yokomo will decimate any competition, theres no point in fighting it, accept your doom, you'll always be in the shadow of the blue merc driver ;)

[gordy]

As long as I'm only in your shadow and not in your gay merc .

[R4BX]

Which coincidently will not be making an appearance tomorrow night as its still in the body shop :(

[ChrissieL]

Ive ordered a Mad Monkey so Ill be back to what I know very soon

[RogerM]

Hopefully my mate Adam & I will be putting in an appearance on friday

[LongRat]

Just working on my new Cougar SV right now. Hopefully it will be running tomorrow too (and touring as well).

[cryer-evo]

The 22 will be there

[LongRat]

The 22 will be there

22 - CRYing out for second position :woot:

[RogerM]

Was certainly interesting on Friday ... no way I can compete with you guys with my normal droop-tastic off-road setup. For my return I will be building up a set of shocks to significantly reduce droop (by at least 10mm off the front and 15mm of the rear!!!!!)

Was still fun (and valuable info too)

[Chris Green]

Hi Guys,

What sort of a track do you have for off roaders over in Gloucester? Carpet? Slippy? Any features? jumps, mats etc?

[RogerM]

It's the TC track with a few little hops thrown in so all carpet and tight n twisty

[Gunter]

Was certainly interesting on Friday ... no way I can compete with you guys with my normal droop-tastic off-road setup. For my return I will be building up a set of shocks to significantly reduce droop (by at least 10mm off the front and 15mm of the rear!!!!!)

Was still fun (and valuable info too)

Sounds like someone taking it wayyyyyy to seriously, i run mine identical to outdoors other than tyres n i beat Edd n his 4wd a few weeks ago ;-)

Roger u going to come Ledbury club at anytime with the glos people?

[RogerM]

If thats the case mate your way way way off on your outdoor set up ;)

I'm not taking it too seriously at all, every time the car hits the track it's either for points or for testing. Friday was about testing a few things :)

[Gunter]

Well ive never raced outdoors before only had a little pratice up ledbury sooo if im miles away from a outdoor setup i wudnt be at all supprised.

[LongRat]

Every time my car hits the track its for money or girls.
I'll be at Ledbury this weekend - my first time off road too!

[gordy]

Every time eds car hits the track its for crack or boys

[Gunter]

Every time eds car hits the track its for crack or boys

But mostly boys

[R4BX]

Sounds like someone taking it wayyyyyy to seriously, i run mine identical to outdoors other than tyres n i beat Edd n his 4wd a few weeks ago ;-)

Roger u going to come Ledbury club at anytime with the glos people?



annoyingly this is true, he did :/ ledbury racing this sunday btw, by the sounds of things its only glos crew aswell so it will be reasonably friendly...reasonably ;)

[R4BX]

oh gordy and munter... behave haha

[RogerM]

I really like the Ledbury track but there is a club meeting at Kidderminster so I HAVE to go there .. currently don't have a car to race anyway :o

[gordy]

:(:(I really like the Ledbury track but there is a club meeting at Kidderminster so I HAVE to go there .. currently don't have a car to race anyway :o

you bloody traitor
:(

[R4BX]

haha! expect to see you at the next one then mills ;) unless of course you're scared... ;)

[Gunter]

Or if there any other race in the euro area or if ......or if.......or if...... No I think just scared :-) gota come mills as your the only one with offroad knowlage n might b able to poit us in the right direction as Gordy really wasn't helping yes2day, couldn't make his own car work yet alone other people's lol where you finish every race gord?

And don't say you almost beat me in the final because everyone knows it don't matter if you win my a inch or a mile winnings winning ;-)

[RogerM]

LOL .... Kidderminster is the best off-road track in the country IMHO and I've been a member there for quite a number of years so hardly being a traitor to support my own club.

As for scared .. :D

I really hope to make it to Ledbury when you guys are there BUT I have to do what is best for the cars and at the moment I am doing a lot of development work on the 2wd and thus need it to be on a representative track (i.e. similar grip to the majority) and as Ledbury's great track is fairly high grip I'd not be learning as much there.

Soon gents, soon :)

[Gunter]

Well boys I think that means as mills to scared to come to us we'll hav to go on a road trip ;-)

And development needs to be done on all levels of grip and traction, I'm sure Ledbury would test how good the car is over a bumpy surface so might be more worth ya time than you think :-)

My car needs development for bumby bloody ground! But had a grate day trying but loooong way off the pace

[ChrissieL]

Well boys I think that means as mills to scared to come to us we'll hav to go on a road trip ;-)

And development needs to be done on all levels of grip and traction, I'm sure Ledbury would test how good the car is over a bumpy surface so might be more worth ya time than you think :-)

My car needs development for bumby bloody ground! But had a grate day trying but loooong way off the pace

Long way off the pace? Try running a 13.5 when everyone else is running -9 :(

[R4BX]

indeed munter winning is winning, and in that case, i believe you ummm...got beat by me in the 1st final hahaha! but yeh mills come along, your offroad know how would be good!

[LongRat]

I would be up for trekking up to Kidderminster then at some point. I don't mind winning on any track really.

[gordy]

smug git:p

[Gunter]

I would be up for trekking up to Kidderminster then at some point. I don't mind winning on any track really.

Enjoy it while it lasts Dave ;-)

[LongRat]

Enjoy it while it lasts Dave ;-)

;) That's the plan!

[R4BX]

;) That's the plan!

Not whilst my brand new dBoots are anywhere near my car, the things look absolutely wicked, come in nice packaging aswell which is resealable... presumably so you can take your glued tyres off the wheels for storage after racing!? haha

[LongRat]

We can all buy tyres Ed, but class doesn't come with a price tag.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_q-nGeWITNIY/TQ2b4l3nR6I/AAAAAAAAALo/PMs3NirpTlg/s1600/rims.jpg

[RogerM]

If your planning on making the trip to Kidderminster then what better meeting to go to than this

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85131


Whilst the comments about Ledbury being a valuable testing place also then I could not agree more but there is a basic rule of thumb I follow "It's easier to tune grip out than to magic some out of nowhere" hence I prefer to do my initial testing on a lower and / or varied grip surface like Kidderminster.
Once you have a car that works at a place like Kidderminster it will work everywhere with just a minimal amount of tuning!

I really hope to get over to Ledbury for some of their other winter series rounds, especialyl as the track is insanely high grip even when soaking wet!

Who ever said Ledbury is bumpy needs to go to a few other places (Hinckley springs immediately to mind) as I can tell you as far as my big bore equiped Lazer is concerned Ledbury might as well be a bowling green :D

Hope to make it back to club in the next couple of weeks, time is sadly my enemy at the moment :(

[RogerM]

Any buggies going tonight??? I'm hoping to be there but I have a shed load to get done first (both in life and the fact that neither car is built ATM!!)

[Gunter]

I'm hopefully gona b rocking a buggy I'm sure John n a gd few other will be aswell

[ChrissieL]

I'll be on Mad Monkey duty tonight

[RogerM]

Good night ... we have to try and get the track out early next week so we can have the precious extra round :)

[RogerM]

So who is up for buggies this Friday?

Adam and I will be back again :)

[Simion Wabs]

i'll be there with the wingless mad monkey. Although the saturn 20Turn is embarrasingly slow :-( even with a gtx esc! What gear ratio should i try to get to? Currently i use kit spur 80T and pinion 23T with internal ratio of 2.6 = 9.04. Should i aim for around 7.5 with a 28t pinion?
Si

[RogerM]

Simon, I have no experience of that motor so can't help. I am showing up tonight with a 9.5 geared 7.8 if that gives you any indication. I might well find I drop a tooth or two as well from there if the track is tight as it is SO SO SO small.

Remember that you need to bring your car with the diff out so I can go through it with you as I promised. I am aiming to be on site for doors open but want to get involved with the track build too as it was really late before we got rolling last week.

[Simion Wabs]

@ RogerM,

I dismantled and rebuilt the diff last weekend and used non kit grease. I think the main noise is coming from the spur gear (seems to run a little off centre. When I tried to tighten the diff I had lots of screw movement so I doubt that sanding back the nut holder by 0.5mm has been detrimental. I'll bring the buggy tonight and if you get the chance you can have a go at setting the diff tension for me. :thumbsup:
Cheers
Si

[R4BX]

I feel proper up for 4 rounds tonight, Im actually gonna help put the track out, for real.

[RogerM]

Anybody planning on running buggies this friday?

[R4BX]

Ill run the bug rog ;) its caravan racing aswell remember...not in the buggy race though

[RogerM]

Cool, Adam & I will be there hopefully

[ChrissieL]

Ill bring the monkey as well tonight

[Gunter]

Edd hav u made a bloody caravan again? I won't be buggying in glos as it sucks! Lol but dieing to go Ledbury next weekend

[RogerM]

Not going to be there tonight sadly so happy festivities to one and all and see you in the New Year :D

[ryan edwards]

i will be joining the buggy class in the next few weeks as i have bought myself a buggy:thumbsup: