How Nationals Entries Work?

[DaveG28]

Hi all, just want to check I am understanding correctly, as I think the rules on the BRCA are from last year:

1. Am I right in thinking it is NOT first come first served for nationals entries. Its done based on F1/F2/F3 etc entering 66% or more of rounds, ten F1/F2/F3 entering less than 66% of rounds?

2. Some people have mentioned not even all F3's getting in, if so how do they decide which F3's who are all entering 66% or more get in, and whcih don't get in?

3. Assuming it isn't first come first served, is it just the same no matter whne before the 12th March you get your entry in? (I'm still working out which ones I can make)


Finally, if I do try and enter more than 66% of one class, and I am F3, what are the odds of me getting into some of them?? I really wanted to do them but some people have suggested on other forums it might not happen!?

Dave

[bigred5765]

i would say fill in the forms and see

[Mrs oOple]

I'd be rubbish at explaining this one! But hopefully someone will be able to come back with a more constructive answer for you soon :)

I think you have got the general gist of things there, the higher the formula rating, the better chance of getting in. From what I understand any F1 will get a place regardless of whether their entry form is submitted in December or in March.

Good luck with it all anyway!

[jimmy]

i would say fill in the forms and see


:lol:

[telboy]

Well I'm F3 too and I'm going for them. I was told that Id get in easy.

[Southwell]

F3's will get in no problem if you book in early enough.

[bigred5765]

i think he pretty much explained them him self wouldn't you.
no one will be able to tell you if you'll get in,
so as i said,fill em in and give it a try,
if you get in you'll not be disappointed.

[jim76]

won't the 2008 handbook have full details of the process?

[Rossco_4]

getting into the nationals is easy if you are from a region where there are not many racers wanting to get in. Being from Scotland myself and the other 2 guys that do the nationals are the only folk from our region who want to enter so i think we are pretty well guaranteed places as long as we enter all 6 meetings

[Wraggy]

surely National entry is based of F grades & nothing to do with what region your from ??

for example then what your saying is some new guy who is just starting living is scotland will get in all 6 because as a region you dont have many drivers !!.

think you will find it doesnt quite work like that

[Southwell]

Yes, it's your F grades. Regions is f3/f4's and regional finals etc.

[James]

Will i ever drop below an F3?

When i raced before my 6 year gap i was an F1 but would i have dropped to an F5?

I sent my national entries off the morning the forms came out and have entered all - 2 and 4wd?

What do you think my chances are?

:eh?:

[Southwell]

You will drop to an F5 within 5 years, but i think you have to wait 3? years from being a f1 to race in the f3/f4's?

[DaveG28]

I guess my confusion is around whether its first come first served, a few people have said "...if you get your form in early enough" but the rules seem to say it doesn't matter when you send them as long as its before March 12th. I'm asking as I know I can enter 4, but am waiting to find out on a trip which may mean I can do 5, if its first come first served I'm best just entering 4 but doing it now, if not then I should wait till I know about the 5th!?

[Lee]

It goes on F grades first but then after all the F1`s and 2s are in then if there are not enough spaces for all the f3`s then it will go down to first come first served.

[Nick Goodall]

Will i ever drop below an F3?

When i raced before my 6 year gap i was an F1 but would i have dropped to an F5?

I sent my national entries off the morning the forms came out and have entered all - 2 and 4wd?

What do you think my chances are?

:eh?:

James i was the same last year, stopped racing in 2001 as an F1 but was an F5 due to being so long, i was told it would be a tough one gaining entry to the Nat's as an F5 but hopefully they may make an allowance - Although i was told a certain CraigD couldn't get in last year due to being an F5 so it's a bit rough.... but as people would say rules are rules - I guess it comes down to luck too but i was worried that if i entered all i'd get in for one or two and have to be a reserve at the rest - Makes it an expensive weekend if you don't even get to race!

[GRIFF55]

I was the same as you Nick, had to race regionals to get my grading back up. Entered all nationals as an f5 and got a few reserve places offered.
Should be ok for this year i hope!

[James]

James i was the same last year, stopped racing in 2001 as an F1 but was an F5 due to being so long, i was told it would be a tough one gaining entry to the Nat's as an F5 but hopefully they may make an allowance - Although i was told a certain CraigD couldn't get in last year due to being an F5 so it's a bit rough.... but as people would say rules are rules - I guess it comes down to luck too but i was worried that if i entered all i'd get in for one or two and have to be a reserve at the rest - Makes it an expensive weekend if you don't even get to race!

Hi Nick,

Yeah i remember you racing back in the day ;) ..

I won my regions 2wd indoor series last year and I did one outdoor regional which i tq'd and won, think there were 4 in total? would this still put me at an F5? any ideas? Thanks

[MattW]

James, yes you'd still be F5. You'll need to complete a season outdoors to re-gain a formula grading.

[Cockerill]

I don't have a rule book at hand but I'm sure this rule will have an effect on some old F1's wanting to come back. This was taken from the 2007 Minutes on the BRCA site. As always, for full confirmation contact Paul.

Rule 21.1 Add: - Drivers that have achieved a top fifteen place in the overall Off-Road National Series since 1994 will not be demoted lower than F3. (Rationale: - Stops top drivers retuning from the past and collecting F4/F5 trophies) Proposed: Paul Worsley Seconded Tom Yardy – Carried unanimously

[James]

Thanks Matt

:wtf: oh dear :wtf:

[MattW]

Good Spot Tom. I remember talk about that one (or similar) but had forgotten that it got carried. May help Nick?

[Mrs oOple]

Carl, Dave was just checking to make sure he understood the entry rules correctly, he was only seeking clarification prior to filling in his entry form. I think that's only fair as he probably doesn't want to be taking up space in events that he may not be able to attend.

The information below is quoted from the BRCA handbook (2007), I haven't researched whether any of these rules have changed, so if anyone knows otherwise please correct me.


5.4 Entry to the National Series will be given to
drivers in the following order (a-f):-

a) Priority in each class, will be given to drivers
who enter a minimum of 66% of events in that
class, in the following order : F1, F2, F3, F4, F5.

b) Any remaining places in each class will be
given to drivers entering less than 66% of
events in that class in the following order : F1,
F2, F3, F4, F5.

c) Eligible entries not gaining places (from (a) &
(b) above) will be placed on the National
reserve list. Entries placed on the National
reserve list at entry closing date will also be
allocated in the same priority of (a) and (b)
above, any entries having similar priority will be
allocated in the order of date received.
Any entries received after the official closing date
will be allocated in the order of date received.

d) Entries sent after the official closing date (as
stated on the official entry form), must be sent
to the central booking address for arrival no
later than four weeks before any event.

e) Entries made within four weeks of an event
to be sent direct to the Timekeeper.

f) Entries may be accepted on the day of an
event.
The order of priority of accepting entries is in
the order of (a) to (f). Entries on the day or late
arrivals may have to forego practice.

5.5 Competitors who officially enter a National
event and fail to attend without prior notice
being given, may be removed (at the committee’s
discretion) from the normal seeding
process at the next event attended. This procedure
could be carried to the following year.

5.6 The minimum number of trophies to be
awarded at a National event will be as follows:
Top under 13 driver, Top F5 driver, Top F4 driver,
Top F3 driver, Top F2 driver, TQ driver and A
Final winner.
The presentations of the first 5 of
these trophies will be made before the start of
the second leg of the A final. The remaining trophies
will be presented at the end of the event.
5.7 The National Championship will be to
Modified and Brushless Motor rules only.
(Reference (http://www.brca.org/BRCA/library/BRCA%20Handbook%202007%20proof.pdf))

[bigred5765]

fair enough
but as i said no matter how many he applies for he wont be disapointed they really are worth doing

[Nick Goodall]

ooooh so does that mean the rule stands about F1's not dropping below F3? That means it may be worth me entering a couple of Nat's afterall then??

[_sleigh_]

ooooh so does that mean the rule stands about F1's not dropping below F3? That means it may be worth me entering a couple of Nat's afterall then??

Hey Nick,

Definately worth you entering, as you finished 7th in the 2WD championship back in '98, so you'll now be an F3 due to this new rule 21.1

[Rossco_4]

for example then what your saying is some new guy who is just starting living is scotland will get in all 6 because as a region you dont have many drivers !!.

think you will find it doesnt quite work like that

that is exactly what I'm saying and yes we have had at least one guy who gained entry to all the nationals 3 years in a row who was an F5 with very limited racing experience. So surely this means the size of the region you race in does come into it?

[JCJC]

that is exactly what I'm saying and yes we have had at least one guy who gained entry to all the nationals 3 years in a row who was an F5 with very limited racing experience. So surely this means the size of the region you race in does come into it?

There is also the the entry to all nationals factor, last year as an F4 we only applied for 3 (less than the 66%) so would not have scored points towards the championship, we were well down the reserve list and did not attend any.