F1

[Maddy]

Well done Jenson button:D

[-bendeman13-]

wtf vettel is the world master 2010 and 2011 xd

[Rebelrc]

Excellent job by jenson ! He is the man!

[Maddy]

wtf vettel is the world master 2010 and 2011 xd

A real world champion can overtake,win a race in the rain,Keep his cool under pressure unlike Vettel who is just a soft ass who cant make his way through the pack.

Enough said Bendeman

[Nas]

A real world champion can overtake,win a race in the rain,Keep his cool under pressure unlike Vettel who is just a soft ass who cant make his way through the pack.

Enough said Bendeman

I do not think Vettel is a 'soft ass'. He tries and wins, that's all you can do right? and at the end of the day who won the Championship ? Vettel. Not button.

[ashleyb4]

What a great season it has been loved every race actually watched every race! fantastic good job everyone!

[ScottyDogWoof]

The car won the championship. As for the "what about webber" we all know he's no better than coulthard was as team mates (maybe crashes a little less) and he wasnt that good. Dominant car+young driver = easy pickings for young driver with a hunger.

As a championship goes it was pretty boring, The points structure they brought in to encourage teams to go for the top spot as the points where so much better really dont work for one team domination, In the old days there'd still be a championship to play for.

Lets hope the other teams or the new rules on blown diffusers level the field again.

Although i'm a lewis fan it was great to see Mclaren/button have what it takes, lets hope Vettel isnt on pole......again at South Korea and now that there's nothing to loose, see if he really can do some over taking instead of the usual 3 2 1 Scampper away. It also be nice to see him be a gracious looser for once too, in the past if he's not come first his face looks like a dog chewing a wasp!

[nobby]

The car won the championship. As for the "what about webber" we all know he's no better than coulthard was as team mates (maybe crashes a little less) and he wasnt that good. Dominant car+young driver = easy pickings for young driver with a hunger.

As a championship goes it was pretty boring, The points structure they brought in to encourage teams to go for the top spot as the points where so much better really dont work for one team domination, In the old days there'd still be a championship to play for.

Lets hope the other teams or the new rules on blown diffusers level the field again.

Although i'm a lewis fan it was great to see Mclaren/button have what it takes, lets hope Vettel isnt on pole......again at South Korea and now that there's nothing to loose, see if he really can do some over taking instead of the usual 3 2 1 Scampper away. It also be nice to see him be a gracious looser for once too, in the past if he's not come first his face looks like a dog chewing a wasp!
sorry but i can't believe your saying vettel is a bad looser, and your a hamilton fan:woot:
you say vettel can't overtake, and he only win's because he has the best car.
so the reason he beat's hamilton must be the car then:thumbsup:

[telboy]

so the reason he beat's hamilton must be the car then:thumbsup:



Well he wasn't beating Hamilton as much when the car was crap was he?

They can all be sore loosers when things don't go their way. Look at Alonso when Hamilton kept beating him. :D

I'd like to see Hamilton and Vettel in the RedBull team in a couple of years. Then we'd see who was the best.:thumbsup: I don't think Hamilton will stay at mclaren if the car isn't competetive enough to win a championship. Yes he has mad lots of mistakes this year that have cost him dearly points-wise, and if it wasn't for those DNF's then I think he'd be in the running too.

[Big G]

I'm pretty sure Lewis would be on pole if he had got that run in on time. the race could of turned out completely differently then.

[bodgit]

I thought he would win it after just 4 races.
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69960

I hope next season other teams can challange red bull or its going to be boring. I have watched every race live for 17 years except for one, but this season I did not bother watching the italian GP not even the repeat. It just became boring. Im not sure I want to see the rest now.
Its not a race when one driver runs away at the fron and more or less secures the title after 6-8 races. You just knew even though it was,nt mathematically won it was a sure bet he would do it.
I would like to see bernie set up an F1 charity race where the drivers swap cars but cant see that happening. That would show how good the cars and drivers are.
I'd like to see JB do it next year.

[MikePimlott]

Put a great driver in a great car and he will win (Vettel). Put an average driver in a great car he wont win (webber). Put a great driver in a average car he wont win (Button, Hamilton).

There has always been a balance in F1 these last 2 years red bull got it. 3 years ago Brawn got it with Button. Schumacher and ferrari.

F1 has always been the same and thats what makes it interesting. Its all about what the teams do in the winter and who they do it with. The points system has not helped this year though.

[mark christopher]

I'm pretty sure Lewis would be on pole if he had got that run in on time. the race could of turned out completely differently then.

Sorry but would have could have has no place at that level, he got it wrong which seems to be a pattern,to unpredictable in my eyes

[Dudders]

Agree with what that chap said above ^^^^.

Vettel is a good lad and having met him on numerous occasions in his early career and of late he has got the right attitude and skill to be at the top for many years.

Yes you can have a good car but you have to be able to squeeze that 1 or 200's out of it.

Vettel and Webber have the same support..... Vettel miles better.... Button had Barichello..... Button miles better.

All the dirvers are much for much but the top 3 or 4 stand out.

Seb will be around for years and years to come and might, just might break all F1 records....

[nobby]

Agree with what that chap said above ^^^^.

Vettel and Webber have the same support..... Vettel miles better.... Button had Barichello..... Button miles better.

All the dirvers are much for much but the top 3 or 4 stand out.

Seb will be around for years and years to come and might, just might break all F1 records....

Agreed vettel has webber button has Hamilton.
With same car button is regularly beating Hamilton.
What's reason for that then?
Is button getting more than Hamilton? I don't think so do you?
As for vettel doing a runner at the front ask yourselves this in your rc race would you like to sit out front with a 10 sec lead or be fighting for the win until the last lap then possibly get beat?

[MikePimlott]

With same car button is regularly beating Hamilton.
What's reason for that then?
Is button getting more than Hamilton?

Nope, i think Button has a better understanding of the cars. Therefore sets it up better with his mechanics.

ask yourselves this in your rc race would you like to sit out front with a 10 sec lead or be fighting for the win until the last lap then possibly get beat?

On Sunday at Worksop when Neil Cragg said goodbye from pole he meant it :lol: gone.

[SHY]

Remember that all the guys in F1 are among the very best drivers in the world. None of them are bad in any way. And they all CAN overtake! :D As I see it there are subtle differences that decide the outcome. And as rules change some are favored others not. Then there's psychology. Here is where the very best stand out from the rest.

Alonso and Vettel are mentally extremely strong, and very seldom loose their cool. OTOH Hamilton gets a little too wild now and then, I think he's been frustrated for a long time now. Whilst Alonso just never ever gives up, he makes the most of what he has always.

As long as RedBull can keep the best car designer (Newey) I think Vettel will stay there, and he will probably beat all F1 records. Webber has struggled with this year's tires. He's improved lately, but I stongly doubt he will be a threat to Vettel in 2012. He is also near the end of his career, and probably feels more pressure. Vettel will be even more relaxed next year, get everything developed in his direction... he'll win easily also in 2012. McLaren and Ferrari will be close and get some wins. But Vettel is extremely focused and ALWAYS gets the best out of his car.

Then there's Button. I really REALLY admire this guy! Without doubt the nicest guy in F1! Always positive, motivated, and never does stupid maneuvers or bend the rules. A total gentleman! The very opposite of Schuey! He'd rather crash than give up a pass or get passed...

Before 2011 Hamilton most of the time always had that little extra as to speed, especially in qualifying. But Button has shown this year that he is the class of his field (maybe except Perez?) when it comes to making the most out of his tires and make them last. And with changing weather conditons he is the BIG master! I think he was prepared to be #2 in McLaren, and just happy if he could stay there until retirement. But he has grown now and managed to regularly beat Lewis. This gives self confidence and status in the team. I feel he has gone from 2nd to 1st driver at McLaren now. And well deserved to!!! :thumbsup:

Hamilton needs to get his feet back on the ground, be more humble and stop trying to make passes which would never ever work out... I mean at the Casino Lewis??? C'mon! :D Oh! And start using the mirrors! :D

Again, Vettel is a fantastic driver! And a very intelligent and positive person also:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95246

[qatmix]

The engine mapping hindered Webber this year, last year without the engine mapping he was able to get more out of the blown diffuser than Seb.

Seb is doing great, again he comes across as a top bloke and he was faultless this year.

However I want to see him win a championship in a car that is not the class of the field before I will consider him above Alonso /Schumacher or Hamilton.

Also agreed about Button, he is in the form of his life, much better than when he won the championship. I think Mclaren have the perfect driver partnership. Both excellent racers and with different skills that they can both learn from.

[SHY]

The engine mapping hindered Webber this year, last year without the engine mapping he was able to get more out of the blown diffuser than Seb.

Seb is doing great, again he comes across as a top bloke and he was faultless this year.

However I want to see him win a championship in a car that is not the class of the field before I will consider him above Alonso /Schumacher or Hamilton.

Also agreed about Button, he is in the form of his life, much better than when he won the championship. I think Mclaren have the perfect driver partnership. Both excellent racers and with different skills that they can both learn from.

But wasn't the engine mapping taken away approx mid-season? And he's gotten better in the latter half wouldn't you say? But if he's said so himself it's probably true :)

It's very hard to compare drivers. Even Alonso was struggling with Lewis' pace when they were team mates at McLaren. Which made Alonso do some stupid stuff in frustration. They can all loose their head :D

Vettel won his first race in a Toro Rosso, which was a mid-field car. OK Q was in the wet, but the final was dry!

I'd love to see Perez, Rosberg, Kobayashi in a top notch car... there's never been as many good drivers in F1 at the same time! IMHO Webber and Massa should give way (i.e. be sacked) for some of the younger & highly talented guys... but I guess the top teams find it ok to have an "also ran" to back their #1 driver :D Both Mark and Felipe know their rank by now :lol:

I love F1 as it is, but I'd love to see a more standardized chassis. Imagine if all drivers had a competitive car/engine and all of they could fight for the win! Would have been amazing to watch!!!

[reg]

to say they are all the best drivers in the world isnt true,if fred comes to a budget strapped team with an average CV and £20 million,and Bob comes with a top class CV and wants £3 million,i wonder who is chosen,
its all about PR and money,who would love to see Kobiashe(sorry about the spelling) along side lewis or Jenson,but it will never happen,i would love to see Paul De along side Vittel at red bull:thumbsup:

[F1END]

I say ban Adrian Newey!

Button, Hamilton, Alonso, Rosberg, possibly Schumacher, even some of the newer drivers like Perez and DiResta (much repect to him for a great first season) in that car would have dominated this year.

As always, it gets closer towards the end of the year as other teams manage to copy what the top team are doing at the start of the year (look at how Brawn's car dominated the first half of the year when Button won the championship). I think it's a shame they change the rules so much year on year. If they stayed the same, the cars would be more competitive from the start of the year.

I would have loved to have seen Red Bull shelf Vettel, and put someone else (a rookie) in the car for the last few races as a test. That would have made it exciting for the rest of the season with button having to win every race to take the title. Vettel would have probably still won it though.

[qatmix]

Driver Sponsorship does help in the lower / mid field teams where cash is tight. But many teams pay Millions a year for the best drivers regardless of their sponsorship.

[reg]

Driver Sponsorship does help in the lower / mid field teams where cash is tight. But many teams pay Millions a year for the best drivers regardless of their sponsorship.


thats what i was saying to the statment that they are in F1 because they are the best drivers in the world,

[SlowOne]

Ross Brawn was asked why he paid Michael Schumacher £20m a year to drive for Ferrari. Brawn said that the only other way he could find half-a-second a lap would be to spend £200m on the car. Drivers are not the same, and that's why some get paid more than others. Yes, Di Resta's had a good season, but as fast a Vettel? Pigs might fly...

Not all drivers are the same. Webber has the same kit as Vettel, and the same opportunity to develop it, but look what's happened... three seasons on the trot...

I can't remember how many people said that Hamilton would hand Button his arse on a plate, including me. Yet Button is on the brink of being the first team mate Hamilton has ever raced with to beat him over a season. Now that is class - even Alonso couldn't do that.

If you want to see drivers compete against each other in the same cars, go watch Formula Ford. F1 is about technology and drivers, not who is the best wheelman alone.

The Rules are stable, we have the same set for the third season in a row. That works against Newey and Red Bull, because Newey is the world's best at being fast out of the box when the Rules change. Additionally, no one has the blown diffuser next season, and that might make Red Bull less competitive. When Ferrari dominated they were spending huge amounts more than the others, but now we have the Resource Restriction in place, people can't do that any more.

I don't think Vettel will dominate the way Schumacher did, the conditions are different now. Nonetheless, at the age of 24, he has at least 10 years left to race, so it would be difficult to bet against him giving Schumacher's numbers a challenge.

And talking of the seven-time champion, isn't it time he gave up the unequal struggle against time and left before he ruins what's left of his reputation? Great? Hardly even good by the time he's finished wrecking what aura he had left.

[Rebelrc]

Yawn!

[Rebelrc]

Only kidding
Good thread!

[qatmix]

There is an article on the German auto page talking about the redbull car having an illegal underplate which flexes. Its all conjecture etc Apparently some photos of Sebs crashed car at Japan have added fuel to the fire.

(This is second hand I read it yesterday on a F1 news aggregator)

[DaSloth]

The cars are only illegal if the FIA say so and if their tests havent been able to find a problem, then that means Redbull (adrian newey) has just been smarter than the rest.

Same happened in 2009 with the brawn and couple of other cars...

I hope next years rule changes spice things up a little, but it rarely seems to make a massive change in the order we see. With any luck it will rein red bull back in a bit.

As for the drivers, to say vettel isnt a good driver is just plain BS, in fairness to the lad he's rarely needed to overtake because he's always at the front, hes just out of practise :p

I think hamilton has smashed a mirror or walked under a ladder or something because this year has just been horrible to watch for him. i hope he can get it back together for next year, because in my opinion he is the quicker driver out of him and button. Thats not to say button isnt good, i just dont think hes as quick as your Vettels and hamiltons of the world. the thing that really annoys me about him, you really need to keep him in a good mood, when he gets down in the dumps about something, he seems to stay in a rut for while until things go his way. Just look at the middle part of the season in 2009, he wasnt getting results like barrichelo was and in my opinion he scraped it.

[SHY]

And talking of the seven-time champion, isn't it time he gave up the unequal struggle against time and left before he ruins what's left of his reputation? Great? Hardly even good by the time he's finished wrecking what aura he had left.

So true! "Quit when you are at your peak"! And I really hope he doesen't seriously injure himself or others, I'm fearing that could very well happen... :(

And as to achieving another title... not only would he need the best car, he'd need a slower team mate as well >> could not be in the same car as half the field! Not gonna happen... unless there were to be a major tyre rule change, so he could go back to his very aggressive driving style... I mean, the guy used to drift his rear end, that's not something you'd wanna do these days...

Lots of great & interesting comments on here, you guys really have a good understanding of F1! Not many guys in Norway do regrettably, it's all soccer and cross country skiing :yawn:

Any more rumours about a Kimi return? Just saw he had tested for Williams. And Renault is surely no option consired the negative media coverage about a possible drive for them last year? Barrichello seems to be hanging off a thin tread...

Also heard that Perez had testet for Ferrari, but OTOH I've heard Massa has contract for one more season.

Hoping for a seat for Sato, I love that guy! We need more characters in F1! Most drivers are way to A4 :D Even a grumpy finn is OK!

Mirrors:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/95267

-that and using them would be great! :D