DMCC Indoor Championship 2011/2012

[Legacy555]

6 rounds in total.
Take your best 2 from 3 before Christmas and your best 2 from 3 after Christmas and add them.

Round 1 - 13th November
Round 2 - 27th November
Round 3 - 18th December

Round 4 - 15th January
Round 5 - 12th February
Round 6 - 4th March

[Legacy555]

ROUND 1
Just to remind everyone that round 1 of this years indoor championship is this Sunday from 10.30 am, heat 1 goes at 11.30am.

You must use Schumacher Minispike rear tyres - nothing else is permitted.

See you all on Sunday, if last week is anything to go by it should be awesome!

[Legacy555]

Due to a carried proposal at the AGM last night racing now

STARTS AT 10am

First heat goes at 11am

[Legacy555]

Championship regulations are here ;-

If you can't see these clearly enough, there are larger versions in the photos/Naul 2011 - 2012 section of www.dublinmodelracing.com (http://www.dublinmodelracing.com)

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[MiCk B.]

Looks good.

MiCk B. :-)

[kartstuffer]

I know i was late and missed partof it but I thought that qualifying was to be left the same as previous and only changed on the day by agreement of all drivers:confused:
This seems to be a different system .
Could someone explain the different systems please ?

[Legacy555]

Hi Ivan,


There are many qualifying systems, but only 2 are generally used by the DMCC.
Round-by-Round (default system)
FTQ (only used if voted by majority at drivers briefing on the day or specified in the championship regulations)
Round-by-round is the qualifying system used throughout the outdoor season in Griffeen Valley. Your qualifying position for the finals is determined by adding your 2 best scores (1st -0, 2nd -1, 3rd -2 etc) from the 4 rounds. This system is very beneficial where track wear and weather changes are effecting racing and it keeps the qualifying fair as the conditions degrade. This system also favours drivers who can put in consistant performances (not necessarily fast performances).

FTQ (Fastest Time Qualifying) is a much simpler system. Your qualifying position for the finals is determined by your fastest time during the day. The disadvantage to this system is that if it rains, or if the track surface wears over the day, the times will get slower - so most final positions could be determined by the earlier rounds of qualifying in that case - this is irrelevant in the Naul. This system encourages drivers to push themselves whilst Round-by-round can result in drivers cruising around trying to achieve the best average position.

As development officer, I would encourage drivers to "up their pace" within the FTQ sytem and weather and track wear are no longer a factor.

[Mugenextreme]

Why on earth have you gone with 4 qualifying heats and only 1 final for a club round. Surely 3heats and 2finals would have been better?

[Legacy555]

Why on earth have you gone with 4 qualifying heats and only 1 final for a club round. Surely 3heats and 2finals would have been better?

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

[Mugenextreme]

Thats ok I simply stuck the proposal in to the club meeting because chances are nobody will go to the national meeting and I though it best to get feed back for that proposal from a group of racers rather then one or two that will be at the agm.


My comment above still stands for the club round. Do we think that at a club race we need 4 rounds of qualifying. Would the 3 and 2 not be better format giving more chances to people to have two goes at finals. Also is it ftq or round by round in qualifying.

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

[Mugenextreme]

Thats ok I simply stuck the proposal in to the club meeting because chances are nobody will go to the national meeting and I though it best to get feed back for that proposal from a group of racers rather then one or two that will be at the agm.


My comment above still stands for the club round. Do we think that at a club race we need 4 rounds of qualifying. Would the 3 and 2 not be better format giving more chances to people to have two goes at finals. Also is it ftq or round by round in qualifying.

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

[Legacy555]

Its something that could be piloted one week and then drivers can be informed before deciding whether they prefer it. It would have to be passed by a majority vote

[kartstuffer]

I would go with Colins idea of 3 qualifying rounds and 2 finals if its going to be ftq.:thumbsup:

[kartstuffer]

On that last post i assume you would have 12 rounds in the championship with 8 to count instead of 6 and 4??

[ian h]

On that last post i assume you would have 12 rounds in the championship with 8 to count instead of 6 and 4??

Why? 12 rounds is a long championship. Pretty much every week would have to be a championship round!

[kartstuffer]

Didnt mean that Ian just the two finals on each day classed as seperate rounds, same amount of racing just 2 chances of scoring on the one day. Same for everyone.

[ian h]

Not a bad idea! Im guessing that Colin is more likely thinking about aggregate score from the 2 leg final though.

[h0m3sy]

Surely it has has to be FTQ qualifying for the indoor championship, its astro-turf and its inside, so the tracks not going to change. If it is passed on the day that we adopt FTQ, then it should be as Colin has suggested, 3 qualy rounds and 2 finals for all. That's the way 90% of other clubs run it.

[celticpanman]

Hi guys. I would be in favour of FTQ for race days as it encourages you to get better.

3 rounds qualifying with 2 finals ( taking the average to get results ). ( correct ).

For the naul I think it would be best

Graham

[Legacy555]

Hi all,

Please see Article 3.13 of the General Competition Rules - www.dublinmodelracing.com (http://www.dublinmodelracing.com).

As per the rules;
If we go round-by-round we must have 4 rounds of qualifying.
If we use FTQ, the amount of rounds is open.

If we have 2 finals, scores from qualifying must count.
If we have 3 finals, qualifying only sorts the grid positions.

To have 3 rounds of qualifying and 2 finals the meeting would have to use FTQ and the results would be calculated from your two best from qualifiying, final1 and final2.

This would have to be proposed, seconded and carried by a majority at the meeting and announced no later that the drivers briefing before Round 1 of qualifying. If this happens and is carried, I would propose that the whole championship adopts this race format.

Will

[mini_brian]

Can we vote by proxy as I will not be able to make it this Sunday but would like my say?

[celticpanman]

hi

i would like to propose the following and have it put to a vote

3 rounds of qualifying with 2 finals BASED ON FTQ

with the best 2 of qualify final1 final2 to count towards the result

graham

ps remember starting at 11,00am and if you do not marshall ( or get someone to marshall for you ) after your heat you could pay heavily

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

Not a bad idea! Im guessing that Colin is

more likely thinking about aggregate score from the 2 leg final though.


That my option alright Ian.
3 rounds of qualifying , ftq
2 finals . Points based on aggregate of the 2 finals.
Qualifying doesnt count in anyway towards the finishing result on the day purely on your 2 finishes in the finals.

[snige]

Have to agree with Colin qualifying should only determine were you are on the grid for the finals and then you get points from were you finish in both finals :thumbsup:

[celticpanman]

Yes I will go for Colin's idea. Sounds better.

[kartstuffer]

I think the reasoning behind the rules in Will`s post (20) is that if you have 1 dnf in one of 2 finals you are at a big points loss.
Where you count qualifying as a scoring round and then you average 2 out of 3 for results ? you have less chance of a big points loss.
Correct me if im wrong but can the rules be changed as it is only a club championship not a national or not ?
On that point it is also good to have a slightly different format for a different championship.:wtf:

[Mugenextreme]

I think the reasoning behind the rules in Will`s post (20) is that if you have 1 dnf in one of 2 finals you are at a big points loss.
Where you count qualifying as a scoring round and then you average 2 out of 3 for results ? you have less chance of a big points loss.
Correct me if im wrong but can the rules be changed as it is only a club championship not a national or not ?
On that point it is also good to have a slightly different format for a different championship.:wtf:

my thinking of the race format is qualifying is qualifying and finals are finals. If you had a bad leg during the finals ok u lose points but you shouldnt be able to replacing it with a better position you had 3 or 4 attempts at get throughout the qualifiers. Someone who qualifies pole is at a advantage only needing one good run out of two during finals where as everyone else have to bust themselves for the two rounds to have a chance at a win. Anything can happen in a leg of a final when you only have one go at it you never know what can happen at the first corner ;) .






National wise I may have

[h0m3sy]

The UMCC has adopted the same format this year Colin, I think it is a much better system and I agree that qualifying should be just that, qualifying, you score your points in the finals. The only thing I have noticed is that it can make for some messy finals as everyone is going hell for leather, but at the same time, I think, it is more exciting to race in.

[Legacy555]

Results are up on www.dublinmodelracing.com (http://www.dublinmodelracing.com)
Will have championship points up later in the week

[Legacy555]

Round 2 of the championship is this Sunday from 10am.

Remember; your total score is calculated by adding your best 2 scores BEFORE Christmas and your best 2 scores AFTER Christmas.

See you there :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[h0m3sy]

Congratulations to Eoin Keating on taking the overall win in 2wd clubman. There was some really good close racing yesterday.:thumbsup:

[Legacy555]

results updated

[h0m3sy]

Is the next club round this Sunday?

[Legacy555]

Is the next club round this Sunday?

Yes, the last Club round before Xmas is this Sunday - 18th December

[h0m3sy]

Good days racing yesterday, good to see Johnny Dunn of the UMCC make the trip down too. The off road bug is catching......:thumbsup:


Last Round results?????

[Legacy555]

Round 4 of the DMCC Indoor Championship is this Sunday (15th) from 10am. You need two scores from the next three to add to you two scores from before Christmas to qualify for prizes.

See you there on Sunday from 10am :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[h0m3sy]

Yet another great days racing in the clubman class. It was ever so close yesterday, with anyone of 4 drivers being able to take the overall win depending on the result in F3. At one point it looked like none of us wanted to win it with the lead changing hands on several occasions, mainly due to mistakes being made by all of us. It made for a really exciting final. Big thanks to all involved.:thumbsup:

[mixer]

yep good days racing,finally got a speedo that works :thumbsup:Thanks mick b
Oh yeah sorry about blowing up your other one:thumbdown:

[MiCk B.]

yep good days racing,finally got a speedo that works :thumbsup:Thanks mick b
Oh yeah sorry about blowing up your other one:thumbdown:


Hey,

No problem at all. Great that we got to the bottom of that issue and you had a good day with the Centro.

MiCk B. :-)

[mixer]

hopefully the first of many:thumbsup:

[noreargrip]

anyone know where the video is that someone took of the new layout last week..not sure where it was..maybe facebook but can't find it again.

[Mugenextreme]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DVIycb7oZg&feature=youtube_gdata_player


I stuck a video up on youtube, heres a link Mark.

[h0m3sy]

Round 4 results?

[Legacy555]

Round 4 results?


Hi David/All,

I've been away this week, and don't know whether I will make Thursday night racing - so I couldn't take the computer with me to update the results.

I will do it asap - hopefully early next week.
Apologies for the delay.

Regards,

William

[MiCk B.]

I've the computer at the moment.

I can get a print out of the results from last week up on the notice board, trackside, if needed.

MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

I've the computer at the moment.

I can get a print out of the results from last week up on the notice board, trackside, if needed.

MiCk B. :-)

That would be much appreciated Mick. :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

Kieth this section is not for selling items, if you want to sell something stick a post in the for sale section along with a pic and price. Best of luck with the sale.

[ian h]

Kevin this section is not for selling items, if you want to sell something stick a post in the for sale section along with a pic and price. Best of luck with the sale.
:thumbsup:

[Sv1keith]

No probs sorry bout that

[Mugenextreme]

Keith if you are located in dublin somewhere I would say try posting yout car on the www.orcaireland.ie site. Most of the guys here only run electric buggies and the other club are mostly nitro racers. Might find it easier to find a buyer local to you but Make sure you post it up here in the for sale section also to maximise your chances of selling the car.

[h0m3sy]

Still no round 4 results up on website :confused::confused::confused:

[Mugenextreme]

William was not out racing the last day David so i doubt he has the timing pc yet to get the results for the website.

[MiCk B.]

Yep,

No results on the Website. Will has been busy the last few weeks.

But the results are printed out and posted on the white notice board in the Naul.

MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

At last the results have been updated - thanks for your patience guys :blush:

[Legacy555]

Round 5 of the DMCC championship is this Sunday (12th) from 10am. Best of luck to all competitors

[mixer]

Round 5 of the DMCC championship is this Sunday (12th) from 10am. Best of luck to all competitors

round 5 is not on till the 19th

[Legacy555]

round 5 is not on till the 19th

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Just to clarify that Round 5 is this weekend - 12th February as per the dates announced in October/November

[MiCk B.]

The 12th, is what was (is) on the calendar on the club site.

MiCk B. :-)

[mixer]

The 12th, is what was (is) on the calendar on the club site.

MiCk B. :-)


Yea sorry about that got mixed up :blush:

[Click]

Hi Lads,

What a great days racing. Was it just me but the pace was very hot today. Some REALLY close racing.

Great to see some of the younger members doing so well, don't you think so Graham :D:thumbsup::D (Sorry couldn't resist:p )

Roll on Round 6 :thumbsup:

[celticpanman]

yes i agree kevin it was a great days racing :wub:wub

i think we will all have to watch out for the lady in pink

round 6 COME ON

[h0m3sy]

Must have been the best days racing since the winter race, was really close in both the Clubman class and the Modified class. Oh yeah, and Graham getting beat by a girl was good too :p Hope you've not got any more kids hidden away Ivan, the clubman class is hard enough...lol

[kartstuffer]

Now that you mention that I might have to bring Ivan Jnr back from Scotland for the last round , I couldn`t get near him last time he raced.:thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

Have to agree the racing yesterday in the Finals where so close. Really impressive showdown in the CLubman during the last final with only the smallest of mistakes handing the lead and race win to Ivan. Brilliant to watch and great driving by all in the clubman racers.:thumbsup::thumbsup: Well Done

[Legacy555]

Now that you mention that I might have to bring Ivan Jnr back from Scotland for the last round , I couldn`t get near him last time he raced.:thumbsup:

There is a proposal in at the moment for a Family Day during the summer.
We'll have a BBQ, boucy castle (insurance dependant), and maybe a family/team race. Should be interesting if you have 4 family members racing!

[kartstuffer]

:thumbsup:Another great days racing in all classes,well done to all.
Before i start ,maybe i`m wrong.
I think that before the summer season begins something needs to be done class wise as it seems to be developing into 3 splits but also not dilute the classes at the same time ,a fine balancing act i know.
But i feel the main thing is not to deter the newcomer as he or she can be intimadated at first by the speed of others around them.
Possible classes
1...... Expert Modified.........As is F3, F2, F1.
2.......Intermediate 8.5 Motor limit???? F4, F3.
3.......Clubman Newcomer...... As is. F5, F4.

This would really be an idea to try for the club championship .


Lucy enjoyed her day and says she will be back!!!;)

[h0m3sy]

Now that you mention that I might have to bring Ivan Jnr back from Scotland for the last round , I couldn`t get near him last time he raced.:thumbsup:

Unfortunately I won't make it for the last round as I will be in Liverpool that weekend. I think with my second place yesterday though, I have secured the Championship. Maybe Will can confirm this.:thumbsup:

[kartstuffer]

Dont know about that yet David,still 1 round to go !
There is a mistake in the results of round 2 ,I should be 2nd.
IF I managed to win???? when you are in Liverpool we would be tied on 2 wins and 2 2nd places each, then the tie break rules come into effect:o I`ll leave Will to sort that one out.
But I still have to have a very good day when you are away so no pressure then !!!!
And I think it is similar in the North / South championship as well whoever beats who on the day at the final round wins.
All in all a good winters racing and it`s not over yet.:thumbsup:

[Legacy555]

There is a mistake in the results of round 2 ,I should be 2nd.


Just noticed that Gary Burleigh and Eoin Keating both appear to have won leg 1 and leg 2 of the A-Finals in Round 2. Thanks for bringing ot to my attention, I'll look into it tonight to see where the error lies.

As the program updates the results itself, I'm puzzled to see how such a thing could happen.

[h0m3sy]

Dont know about that yet David,still 1 round to go !
There is a mistake in the results of round 2 ,I should be 2nd.
IF I managed to win???? when you are in Liverpool we would be tied on 2 wins and 2 2nd places each, then the tie break rules come into effect:o I`ll leave Will to sort that one out.

What are the rules concerning tie breaks?

[Legacy555]

What are the rules concerning tie breaks?

If there was a situation where two competitors had two wins and two seconds each out of the 4 counting rounds, it is the competitor who scored their No. 1 win first who gets it.

There used to be a system, the same as the current RCCAOI system, where your non-counting rounds would be brought back into it. But this was deemed unfair to people who can't commit to all of the championship days.

[h0m3sy]

That will be me then as I won round 3 and 4, Ivan's first win was round 5 ???

[Mugenextreme]

If there was a situation where two competitors had two wins and two seconds each out of the 4 counting rounds, it is the competitor who scored their No. 1 win first who gets it.

There used to be a system, the same as the current RCCAOI system, where your non-counting rounds would be brought back into it. But this was deemed unfair to people who can't commit to all of the championship days.


Really Will, its the racer who won a round first that wins the overall in the case of a tie

[MiCk B.]

What does it say in the rules about tied points at the end of a championship.

MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

When two or more competitors are tied with equal points at the end of the season, the first
competitor to satisfy one of the following criteria will be deemed to be the winner.

This is the actual ruling - apologies for errors

1. Driver with most overall victories from counting rounds.
2. If still tied, driver with most 2nd places, then 3rd etc. from counting rounds.
3. If still tied, driver with most TQ
4. If still tied, driver who scored the highest when all tied competitors raced together.
5. If still tied, Drivers will be awarded a joint championship.

[Mugenextreme]

Yeah, before the new (2011) rulebook was put together we used to include non-counting rounds where both tied competitors raced. In 2010 Mick Bolger took the whole championship because he had out qualified me in Round 1..... the new system is simpler.

If competitors are tied.
Winner is the driver with most overall wins.
Then, Winner is the driver with most second places.
Then, Winner is the driver with most thirds, fourths fifths, etc.
Then, Winner is driver who scored a win first.

Better not miss Round 1 of a club championship then.

[Legacy555]

Better not miss Round 1 of a club championship then.

Sorry Colin, confusing my Model Car Racing with my Rallying :thumbdown:
Actual Ruling for Model Car Racing is a follows

When two or more competitors are tied with equal points at the end of the season, the first
competitor to satisfy one of the following criteria will be deemed to be the winner.

1. Driver with most overall victories from counting rounds.
2. If still tied, driver with most 2nd places, then 3rd etc. from counting rounds.
3. If still tied, driver with most TQ
4. If still tied, driver who scored the highest when all tied competitors raced together.
5. If still tied, Drivers will be awarded a joint championship.

[Mugenextreme]

No probs Will. Maybe i will propose for next year we just skip option 1,2, 3 and 4 and just go straight to 5 would be easier. Rules are the rules for the moment. good luck lads.

[h0m3sy]

Just a pity I miss the last round, may well go to Ivan.

[Mugenextreme]

Just looking and if there is a mistake in the results for rd2 that could change everything and its going to be a pressure race day for Ivan. He needs a win to join on points and then a TQ to take it on the count back. NO PRESSURE IVAN:woot::woot: Kevin no pressure to help the team out :thumbsup::woot::thumbsup:

[Click]

Hey Colin,

I'm already glueing Gladiator chariot style spikes onto my wheels:woot:

I'm waiting for delivery of the RC flame thrower and ground to ground missile system I have on backorder.:woot:

I know the rules state no ESC timing allowed but does it say anything about external booster rocket engines:thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

Lol , let rip Kev.

[Cardnim]

Hey Colin,

I'm already glueing Gladiator chariot style spikes onto my wheels:woot:

I'm waiting for delivery of the RC flame thrower and ground to ground missile system I have on backorder.:woot:

I know the rules state no ESC timing allowed but does it say anything about external booster rocket engines:thumbsup:

lol. now that i want to see! :woot:

[kartstuffer]

Looks like i will have to send Alan and Lucy out in a TANK :p
This is lining up to be the Durango & X Factory vs the Cougar wars.
Should be fun, (only one Cougar left Kev)

[kartstuffer]

All is not lost yet David as I think Lee and Eoin who won the first two rounds would like to add another.!!!

[Eiremaxx]

Im sadly :(out of this lads only making 2 rounds and will miss the last round due to work,been hit with man flu the list goes on:woot:,sounds like great racing and craic,i'll be back soon ready for the summer championship:thumbsup:
Eoin

[Legacy555]

Results are updated

[h0m3sy]

Looks like its going down to the wire in the Clubman Class.:o

[Legacy555]

Round 6 (Final Round) of the Indoor Championship is this Sunday - March 4th from 10am

[h0m3sy]

Very well done on your win today Ivan. :thumbsup:

[celticpanman]

yes indeed well done to IVAN ON HIS WIN AND A VERY CLOSE SECOND TO DAVID

great racing by both drivers

well done to all

[Legacy555]

Hi all,

I am absolutely thrilled about how the Clubman Class has turned out! The class was designed as a "nursery" class where new and improving drivers would work on their skills and there is no doubt that it is working.

Ivan, David, Lee and Kevin all put in good performances yesterday and the championship could not have been closer.

I'll have all the results up later tonight, but I can tell you that the Clubman championship was tied with the eventual winner (after applying the proceedure as outlined in the championship regulations) being Ivan Thomson with David Home in second. Ivan is being awarded the victory based on his two TQ's over the season to David's one TQ. They don't come closer than that!

We done to both competitors!

[Click]

Hi Will,

I must admit I really enjoyed myself racing against such a great bunch of . . . . . . . lads :D

I know this next suggestion is a bit crazy but it's a crazy world:thumbsup:

It seems an awful shame that the championship was decided by one FTQ, I know the rules were agreed & I know in life you have winners and people who don't win BUT is there any remote chance of having a joint winner?

I'm not trying to start a big discussion about this and I hope Ivan does not mind me even asking about this. I just think both Ivan & Dave are such fantastic competitors that it would be great if both of them could win.

It just seems a shame since it was SO close :woot:

[Legacy555]

Hi Will,

I must admit I really enjoyed myself racing against such a great bunch of . . . . . . . lads :D

I know this next suggestion is a bit crazy but it's a crazy world:thumbsup:

It seems an awful shame that the championship was decided by one FTQ, I know the rules were agreed & I know in life you have winners and people who don't win BUT is there any remote chance of having a joint winner?

I'm not trying to start a big discussion about this and I hope Ivan does not mind me even asking about this. I just think both Ivan & Dave are such fantastic competitors that it would be great if both of them could win.

It just seems a shame since it was SO close :woot:

Rule changes can be made during the year by the committee and ratified by the AGM. Nothing can be done about the championship which has just ended, but rule changes can be made for future ones.

I'll bring it up at the next committee meeting

[Legacy555]

Final results are up

[dmcracing]

So what drivers are bitting the bullet and moving from clubman to Modified this year?

[h0m3sy]

Don't think I will be moving up just yet Derek, I've only been at this 8 months. Still learning all the time. Perhaps after the Summer, I will have a look at where I am. I feel I have progressed quite well so far. A long way still to go though. I don't want to be moving up just to make up the numbers, when I move up I want to be able to compete. I think that was partly my downfall with the TC's, tried to be too fast too soon.:thumbdown:

[kartstuffer]

I think that this needs to be looked at, as i said before the clubman class really took off this winter and produced some of the closest racing i have seen in Rc ( not at it that long though) but !!!! there is a big gap between the front and rear of the clubman class and likewise in the mod class.
I would say there is room to have a middle ground class so as new racers are not put off by the speed of the front runners week after week .Some type of progression ladder needs to be looked at and if numbers don`t allow a seperate race amalgamate them but show seperate championship positions.????
On a seperate note well done to all drivers last weekend for a good (cleanish) days racing. Hard luck David but our fortunes were mixed with me having a terrible start to the day and you doing it the other way round having a good start and not as good a finish.Overall it couldn`t have been any closer.
Looking at the origional regulations on the points allocation it says that an extra point is allocated to TQ on each round.This didn`t make a difference to the final result but as these points were not allocated it could have?? :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: