Very good Quality bearing

[jimmyfish]

Hi Guys

Looking for abec 5 rating bearings, wheres the best place to buy them from?? trf 511


Cheers

[Gonky]

I read in another thread that Lipbitz does bearings, think they were rated abec 5 although have to wade through a lot of rubbish posts in there! :thumbdown:

[jimmyfish]

No his are cheap chinese rubbish, abec 3.

I am after the best. :thumbsup:

Cheers tho

[bigred5765]

well in that case you'll want abec 9 as 9 is greater than 1-3 or 5 :)

[jimmyfish]

Ah, well where to i get them LOL

[Cardnim]

RC bearings sell high ABEC number bearings (though cant say if they definately 9)
Give Colin a shout at:
www.rcbearings.co.uk (http://www.rcbearings.co.uk)


EDIT -- heres a link str8 to the TRF511 bearing set:
http://www.rcbearings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=trf%20511&product_id=860

[jimmyfish]

RC bearings sell high ABEC number bearings (though cant say if they definately 9)
Give Colin a shout at:
www.rcbearings.co.uk (http://www.rcbearings.co.uk)


EDIT -- heres a link str8 to the TRF511 bearing set:
http://www.rcbearings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&filter_name=trf%20511&product_id=860

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

thanks!

[jamiew]

I'm also looking for bearings for my 502 front hubs what size are they it don't say in the book cheers guys :)

[bodgit]

No his are cheap chinese rubbish, abec 3.

I am after the best. :thumbsup:

Cheers tho

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup::thumbsup:


http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/29352/
Give above a ring Lip "borrowed" his wesite bearing pictures from them.

[steveproracing]

Email boca bearings in the states.
If u want the best in the biz boca are the only people to contact
But u will have to pay!!
Approx $200-300 dollars for a high end set but they will be as smooth as silk, require zero maintenance and last a lot longer than the car u put them in
One of my team mates has a set 5 seasons old and are still as good as the day they arrived!! And they have done many outdoor meets in mud and rain.
Only thing you do is wipe any mud etc off with a rag then dry the bearing with a piece if kitchen towel!!

[Cardnim]

5 seasons?!
Good grief, that would be incredible if they didnt drop any efficiency in that whole time.
Very attractive

[steveproracing]

They are genuinely that good!! Well worth the investment!!

[wacattack]

They are genuinely that good!! Well worth the investment!!

Are you for real?? £150-£200 on bearings. That's ridiculous :thumbdown:

[budfish]

Here you go mate top notch £80 ish per kit and they are the bollocks

http://www.acerracing.com/

Buds

[Col]

Obviously disregard the bits about captainlip, but the rest makes perfect sense to me.


Lip - I work for the market leading European Distributor of Bearings. We are the largest in Europe by any measure you care to make, turnover, number of employee's or size of authorised supply base. I know bearings.

I have tried all singing, all dancing bearings from a range of market leading manufactures, SKF, NSK and INA. I have always found the cheaper end of the market to be better performing than the high end. I've spoken to SKF technical manager about this. The reason is in our application the super tght tolerances are a disadvantage. Dirt will get in, thats a fact, anyone who's done any racing and taken the wheels off will see dirt and crap wrapped round the axle, so we have to live with that fact. In the high end product the dirt gets in the bearing and on to the raceway but because of the tolerances being so tight the ball can't ride over it, the ball and raceway are both damaged by being forced to travel over the dirt. Add to that the dirt can't get out and the problem is compounded.

I'd be interested to know what brand the bearings you're suppling are. Any brand worth its salt, or producing high quality ABEC5 bearing will brand mark them. Makes sense, they are proud of their product so they put their name on it. In my experience only cheap chinese manufactures leave the bearings unmarked.

I now use run of the mill SKF or INA bearings, dependant on what we've got in stock. The metal shielded ZZ type are more efficient because the shield doesn't touch both raceways only normally the outer. The 2RS, or 2 rubber seal, type does contact both the outer and inner race and as such slows the bearing. Just for interest the best thing we can have is C3 bearings. The interal clearance is increased to allow for heat expansion, normally seen in electric motors. Most of our bearings fall into minatures and this isn't done but in some cars they do use popular metric (popmet) bearings and C3 clearance is available.

I hope someone might find this useful.

[pro4nut]

Another thing to consider is cleaning and re lubing the bearings after racing this really is worth its wait.
I guess because i'm sad but i used to careful remove the retaining spring clip and then the metal shield, give them a good clean and then re lube with bearing oil.
What i mean is that even if you get good bearings, if you treat them like bad bearings and let them run in a lube of water and dirt don't expect them to last. Would you run your real car until it ran out of oil and then blame the manufacturer for building a bad car?

[captainlip]

No his are cheap chinese rubbish, abec 3.

I am after the best. :thumbsup:

Cheers tho

The website CLEARLY states ABEC5 and not 3 like you claim, we have many many happy customers and none of them received Chinese bearings
:thumbsup:

[bodgit]

The website CLEARLY states ABEC5 and not 3 like you claim, we have many many happy customers and none of them received Chinese bearings
:thumbsup:

How about some pictures of the actual bearings your selling, not the pictures you took from
http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/29352/ and used on your website.

[simoncrabb]

What's wrong with Chinese bearings?

We happily sell Chinese bearings!

We're impressed at how good they are!

Only had to change a couple of hub bearings after wet running in a couple of seasons.

Each to their own...

[mattybucks]

How about some pictures of the actual bearings your selling, not the pictures you took from
http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/29352/ and used on your website.


and where did wheelspin models get the image?

[mattr]

What's wrong with Chinese bearings?Nothing, you'd be surprised at the number of bearing manufacturers who get round the "Made In" rules by getting incredibly cheap bearings made in their own factories in China (to EXACTLY the same specs they would be made to in Europe/US/Japan/etc), shipping them over and then putting them in an "expensive" box/packet and relabelling them.

All perfectly legal, and most people don't even realise/care.

The fakes that are kicking round are a different matter altogether..........

[bodgit]

and where did wheelspin models get the image?
Not the point raised. Lets see pictures of what he,s selling. As he,s giving them to you for free you would stick up for him but why is he not in your sig.

[mattybucks]

Not the point raised. Lets see pictures of what he,s selling. As he,s giving them to you for free you would stick up for him but why is he not in your sig.

Originally Posted by bodgit http://www.oople.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?p=583510#post583510)
How about some pictures of the actual bearings your selling, not the pictures you took from
http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/29352/ (http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/29352/) and used on your website.

What is your point then?

He gave me two sets for free to test, I gave one set to one of my team drivers, and I have been running a set. I also have the option of stocking his bearings should I wish to do so.

I'm not being biased in any way, the fact are as follows.

Lip aproached me to see if I would like to stock his products.

I responded by saying, it is something that I would consider, however due to the mixed feedback on oople I would like to test a couple of sets out.

I've used them indoors for a good couple of months without any problems, and once i've run them at a couple of outdoor meeting i'll make my decision.

[bodgit]

Just want to see the real thing not somebody else,s pictures.

Thanks for the heads up. if you do start selling bearings I know where not to come.

[jimmyfish]

The website CLEARLY states ABEC5 and not 3 like you claim, we have many many happy customers and none of them received Chinese bearings
:thumbsup:


Well to be fair your such a bell end i wouldnt believe anything you say or sell

[bodgit]

Well to be fair your such a bell end i wouldnt believe anything you say or sell

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[Matt Butcher]

TBH i have always found schumacher bearings to be excellent. well priced too!

[Loomans]

Very funny, even Boca bearings are from China ;)

Just check the color of the seal, blue seal = Abec-3!

Regards,
Bart

[mattybucks]

you might as well put chinese bearings in chinese made cars!

[Loomans]

you might as well put chinese bearings in chinese made cars!

I understand you ;) but Kingstar is not in China but Taiwan ;) (small difference)

Regards

[MattW]

This whole bearing debate is quite funny really. Everyone gets hung up on high "ABEC" numbers. Higher number generally means tighter tolerances, which can actually be a bad thing.

Let's look at a typical plastic hub carrier found on most model cars. Put a pair of ABEC 7/9 bearings in it, what do you think will happen if the 2 bearing pockets don't perfectly line up..........and what do you think are the chances of them being perfectly in alignment?? Same with a 2wd gearbox casing, of the diff outputs don't perfectly line up, and you put super precision bearings on the diff, what will happen - not a lot!!

Think about it! ABEC rating also says nothing about the quality of the materials used make the bearings!!

[bodgit]

Q&A Bearings
This Q&A section has general information pertaining to bearings. If you are looking for model specific bearing information, check the Q&A for your model of interest. There are several Q&A sections and you will find an index of them at Q&A Central (http://www.atomicmods.com/Categories/QandA-Central.aspx).


General Bearing Questions


What are the different parts of a bearing?
The parts to a bearing are, the outer ring, the inner ring, the cage which holds the balls and the shield if it is a shielded bearing.
http://www.atomicmods.com/images/Q-A/Bearings/Bearing_Cross_Section.gif

What are the most common bearing types?
There are many types of bearings, with these being the most common.
1 Open - the cheapest and most plentiful on the market
2 Metal Shielded - has a metal shield to keep debris out
3 Rubber Sealed - has a rubber shield to keep debris out
OK, how are Open Bearings made?
They have no shields or seals to keep debris out and lubricant in. They spin more freely when they are clean, but as they get dirty, performance suffers.
http://www.atomicmods.com/images/Q-A/Bearings/Bearing_Profile_Open.gif

What is a Metal Shielded Bearing?
These have a metal shield attached to the outside ring which does not rub the outer race or the balls. They spin more freely than rubber sealed bearings and offer a good balance between maintenance and performance.
http://www.atomicmods.com/images/Q-A/Bearings/Bearing_Profile_ZZ.gif

What is a Rubber Sealed Bearing?
A rubber seal touches the inner and outer race and the balls as well on some bearings. Best seal, but slowest.
http://www.atomicmods.com/images/Q-A/Bearings/Bearing_Profile_2RS.gif

What are the purpose of the seals on bearings?
There are two purposes, to keep debris out and lubricant in. The different seal types trade sealing ability for performance. The rubber seal, for example, is the slowest bearing because the rubber is in contact with the rotating bearing surfaces. The open is the fastest because it has no seals to drag. But once an Open bearing gets dirty, its performance will decrease greatly.
What is the performance difference in the 3 common bearing types?
There is quite a bit of performance difference in the 3 most common bearing types as shown in the chart below. This chart assumes that all the bearings are clean. So if you take your Open bearings and let them get dirty, then you lose all of the performance benefit of running them in the first place.
Bearing Type
Open
Metal Rubber


Maintenance
0
5 10


Spinning Performance
10
7 0




Legend: 0 = Worst, 10 = Best

What bearing type do you recommend?
The metal shielded gives you very good performance with low maintenance and are the best choice in most cases. So these bearings earn our overall recommendation.
Why don't you sell 2.5mm Wide Track open bearings?
We spoke to a dozen bearing makers and not one had the 2.5mm in open. So this is the best we could do for our humble little hobby.
What is a Ceramic Bearing?
They are simply bearings that use ceramic balls instead of steel balls. The process of making the ceramic balls is very precise. Ceramic bearings avoid surface bumps, irregularities and slight deformation that can be present in metal balls. The result is the most freely spinning bearing available. These are very expensive, and usually cost several times what normal bearings do. Unfortunately, many ceramic bearings are not available in the small sizes we use.
What are Polyamide bearings?
They use the same mechanical design as a metal shielded bearing, but with a closer seal that is made from a plastic material known as Polyamide. These are more expensive and also not available in the small size bearings we use.
What are ABEC Ratings?
This is a measurement of tolerances. The higher the ABEC rating the higher the tolerance. For example, ABEC-5 bearings have tighter tolerances than ABEC-3.
Do all bearings have an ABEC rating?
Some cheaper imports do not have an ABEC rating. These are very low quality bearings and should be avoided.
What if the Vendor does not advertise the ABEC Rating?
Vendors selling lower ABEC-1 or non ABEC bearings generally do not tell you as it reflects poorly on their product.



Bearing Maintenance


How fast will open bearings get dirty?
It depends on where you are racing, but assuming a typical indoor track with the normal amount of grit and dust, you can expect 30 minutes before performance begins to degrade.
How fast will Shielded Bearings get dirty?
Again, it depends on where you are racing, but assuming a typical indoor track with the normal amount of grit and dust, you can expect 3-4 hours before performance begins to degrade.
Do I need to clean my bearings?
Unless you have rubber sealed bearings (which are not recommended due to excess drag) you will need to clean your bearings.
How often should I clean my bearings?
Simply spin them and if they are not turning as freely as when you installed them, it is time to clean them.
What if I am too lazy to clean them?
If you do not clean them the grit will wear the balls and raceways, resulting in permanent damage.
Does seal color mean anything?
No, different manufacturers use different colors to identify their product and develop brand awareness.

[ryanlownie]

What's wrong with Chinese bearings?

We happily sell Chinese bearings!

We're impressed at how good they are!

Only had to change a couple of hub bearings after wet running in a couple of seasons.

Each to their own...

Exactly.

We've had bearings supplied from the Far East since JE Spares started and out of the countless amounts we have supplied over 7 years we rarely see a failure.

There's too much bullshit in the RC market, you'll get fed with rubbish such as our bearings have been developed, researched e.t.c. Don't believe everything you read on such products.

[jim76]

China are also the world leader for manufacturing balls and bearings, so why would you expect them to be rubbish? Provided they come from a reputable manufacturer they should be of good quality. Probably over 75% of bearings in rc kits will be made in China, and most last pretty well if they are maintained. As said earlier in the thread, it doesn't matter what spec your bearings are, if you don't maintain them they will fail.

[tomtom]

I tried some and was really happy with the yellow Boca set lately, one grade lower than their too notch ones (orange seals) but they gave me orange seals for the diff outdrives and for me it's worth it.

[russmini]

PMSL at most of the crap about bearings on here...

Loved the quoted statement :D

I sell bearings and have done for pretty much half my life and laugh everytime the mere mention of bearings and their quality appears in the RC world. Where i work only sells from the Major Manufacturers and do not deal in chinese quality, but for personal use, i can obtain them.

ABEC ratings mean shit in our hobby to be totally honest.

And if they were truly and genuinely ABEC, you wouldn't pay what they would actually be. BOCA have it about right.

Stop getting hung up on ABEC Ratings !!!

Buy a good quality bearing and use it. Also, that bit you do after buying it, greatly effects them... Looking after them.

Oh and yeh, i use and sell 'Chinese' Bearings. I do not advertise or sprout off about them being this or that. I just know that they are perfectly good anough for what we want and need.

Anyway, i try not to be dragged into Bearing debates, but i have on this occasion, crap.... Bye..... :p

[captainlip]

Wow what a completely useless thread with absoloute nonsense from bodgit (as usual) and jimmyfish.

at least there is some constructive non biased feedback from a top bloke (matt)

either way im glad numpties like bodgit and jimmy dont ever buy my kits,

funny enough the kits I sell are considerably cheaper than the link provided by matt.

I dont need to put any input into this thread its already ruined by certain people.

[bodgit]

Wow what a completely useless thread with absoloute nonsense from bodgit (as usual) and jimmyfish.

at least there is some constructive non biased feedback from a top bloke (matt)

either way im glad numpties like bodgit and jimmy buy my kits,

funny enough the kits I sell are considerably cheaper than the link provided by matt.

I dont need to put any input into this thread its already ruined by certain people.

I never have and never will buy anything from you when I can buy the same directly from china. All I asked you is for you to show us some pictures of the ACTUAL bearings you are selling not use another comapy,s pictures which is misrepresentation, but i wont hold my breath on that. You always avoid questions about your stuff and rebuff anyone elsle,s idea,s that you could be wrong.
How can matts feedback be non biased when you give him them free??

[bodgit]

well modified lip

[captainlip]

Either way your entitled to your opinion and I dont have a problem with it.

im not going to ram my bearings down someones throat until they buy them, all im saying is they are good bearings i tried a few sets and found i prefered these.

they are cheaper than other places but obviously this is because I have much lower overheads.