'Offical' Carbon Dave

[Chequered Flag Racing]

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[Aaron w]

Looks the daddies :D

[Gazza]

Ok posted on Mardaves web site and its been deleted go figure
Any way dont bother buying it as the RC Circuit car Chassis (aka red Bull ) is far superior and is 1 lap better in a heat so save ya money


Below is Tony holding Pauls P2 (aka Red Bull Car )

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[colin367]

loving all this tit for tat about chassis, it's doing more to convince me and i'm sure others to stay clear and buy a circuit car or a banger !. It wasn't long ago you guys were skipping a long hand in hand.

Funny to watch unfold though :)

[johnnyp]

loving all this tit for tat about chassis, it's doing more to convince me and i'm sure others to stay clear and buy a circuit car or a banger !. It wasn't long ago you guys were skipping a long hand in hand.

Funny to watch unfold though :)

love it how very true
mine better than this one this is better than that
sounds like school kids too me

[chris_dono]

love it how very true
mine better than this one this is better than that
sounds like school kids too me

*upturns pit box on floor*
"I is helping ya"

[dazw]

im glad i sold mine now,your all pushing the remaining few away for the sake of chassis thats not realy any faster than the old standard dave chassis:confused:
i have some ply in the garage?:lol:

[Gazza]

LOL well as most are aware or not Mr Mardave is trying to Monopolize the event with It must be Mardave this Mardave that. .

Soon you will only be able to spray your body with Mardave paint :thumbdown:

The Chassis is a chassis as long as the wheel base and track is the same what differance does it make what the chassis is . . any way I designed a Better ground effect chassis and it works its that siimple beating the other chassis by a clear lap results on Rc circuit cars not one meeting but two :thumbsup:

there is no hard ship or arguments any where its just up to you guys what you spend your money on :)

[dazw]

i dont think that there is enough results from enough good drivers,racing at the same meetings to determin weather any of these are faster than even the old dave chassis?
to me mardave racing has always been about driving,set up and tyres so it was cheap and a good learning curve,
if your free to make your own then you could spend a fortune,also cf axle damping and whatever else those in design could come up with.
maybe when things settle more people will come back to mardave,but this is the winter when numbers should be up so not the best time to confuse people with all this stuff thats going on at the min,i have raced in most class`s now and even i am put off mardave at the mo:confused:

[Paulnuneaton]

edit for a reason

[Aaron w]

The p2 chassis is just a wider version of the mardave ce chassis? Who came up with the front plate design? I also think Robins surname is spelt Schumacher.

[qatmix]

I'm a bit confused why you have an issue with Mardave.

Mardaves have always been a controlled 'Stock' class, the core of its racing was around a cheap, easy to maintain chassis with cheap, available parts. The beauty of the original design is that its still strong, cheap to maintain and fast and tunable.

Recently, the circuit side of Mardaves has become a larger concern, and the inevitable move to lipo and brushless is coming. Due to this, Chris has moved on and evolved the cars, bringing in the diff, and then making more subtle additions to enhance the handling. All still using as many of the std parts as possible.

The new Schumacher car looks impressive, but its starting with a blank sheet. They also have the benefit of being a larger company who are able to make big batches of the kits in China, so they can undercut Mardave who are a smaller operation and still get their parts made in smaller batches in the UK.

With 2 cars available, it will mean clubside shops will need 2 lots of spares, so may carry less of both.

In fact, once you muddy the stock class you would get the age old thing, People may think one is better at the local club (as its driven by the best driver, but nobody accepts they are not the best driver) so people will swap over, then a new competitor will come along and everyone will flock to that kit.. Essentially you will have an emulation of the TC racing scene, but on a smaller UK scene which will fizzle out as everyone might as well go and race TC's

Doomed I tell ya! your all doomed!!!! ;)

[Paulnuneaton]

Moved to www.rccircuitcars.com (http://www.rccircuitcars.com)

[Mr Eccleston]

There is also the other flip side, with one class if people don't like it you limit the numbers. However, if you open up to various manufacturers to a set of construction rules you suddenly open up the class to more racers, potentially increasing numbers.

Just a thought, not taking sides.

[Paulnuneaton]

Move to website

[qatmix]

But then if you open it up, you just invite the no holds barred concept of open racing, you just need someone to make a killer £300 kit and trounce everyone. If its open to more than one manufacturer it must be open to all.

You may as well run TC's

[Mr Eccleston]

It's no different to the 1/12th stock car section, anyone can build a car, just be prepared to sell it to anyone else for a capped price. I don't see any £300 stock cars, but totally agree that's not the way we would want to go. This form of racing should be low cost to start and run.

[Gazza]

Correct you start off by going to AGM with

1 chassis to be any material othen than Carbon fibre
( so carbon fibre is banned straight the way)

2 wheel base to be XXXmm by XXXmm and track to be XXXmm by XXXmm
This then allows all cars to be run Mardave- Schumacher -Hunter systems etc)

3 the whole kit not to cost more than £xx.xx

etc

[jaythewarrior]

Can i just say to those who are now being put off Mardaves that, the standaed G2 Class will never go away or be opened up to other types of cars or chassis unless it has been approved by mardave them selfs. this P2 thing is trying to get into a new class with the "Super Dave" class for modified racing. So guys dont worrie about the good old Daves they aint going no where. this P2 chassis should not even been discussed in this forum as its only for Mardave anyways. Good luck to Paul and Gazza with there chassis but it wont effect the good old standard Mardave class nor will it ever. :thumbsup:

[colin367]

Cheers Jay, i must admit that having raced 26-27 years ago (stockcars) and now coming back to racing within the last year or so its so confusing !. There now seems so many classes,different rules at different clubs....i'm not surprised its not more popular than it should be. Lets face it, if someone looked online (as kids nowadays do) you would be put off by what you can and can't race - this thread included -.

I think the only way to get kids to decide on a particular style/form of racing would be to go to a local club and see what THEY are running as it may not be the NORM or whats being used at nationals !

I thought of doing a different class due to work commitments, i.e the mardave circuit.....i read the rules...i read on here whats good to use and whats not.....and gave up ! too much argueing even at the national on what you can and can't use/run.

I'll wait and see what happens in the future.

Paul/gazza I appreciate what your doing and i commend you for trying something new and i looks great......i don't want to come accross as a suporter of mardave at all but if its a mardave class or section on a forum like this why confuse matters !? think of it from a point of view from someone new who has never heard of mardave and wants to get involved in a class of rc, how would it help this person ?

I'm not doing this to cause an argument....i've got better things to occupy me. But as someone who wanted to participate in this class and has been put off.

Col

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Paul/gazza I appreciate what your doing and i commend you for trying something new and i looks great......i don't want to come accross as a suporter of mardave at all but if its a mardave class or section on a forum like this why confuse matters !?

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSprk98XWWnCQzF1sweijR4GY7S-JqEuibPwy3hB0NAdyL7qp3G



and all i did was post a picture of the NEW MARDAVE chassis

[Paulnuneaton]

moved to website

[Paulnuneaton]

Moved to rc circuit cars.com

[Conrad]

In fact, once you muddy the stock class you would get the age old thing, People may think one is better at the local club (as its driven by the best driver, but nobody accepts they are not the best driver) so people will swap over, then a new competitor will come along and everyone will flock to that kit.. Essentially you will have an emulation of the TC racing scene, but on a smaller UK scene which will fizzle out as everyone might as well go and race TC's

Doomed I tell ya! your all doomed!!!! ;)

Spot on, the car pictured at the top of this thread is a £90 kit with £60/70 worth of addons, for that money you can buy a proper kit, 1/12th scale and blow the arse out of any dave.

Like every coin their are two sides, stock mardave which is what keeps people racing as it's all about car preparation and driver skill. Now superdave which is becoming a mini touring car class, lets spend alot more money on a basic design in an attempt to make it faster/better. The only plus side from this is for clubs you have a ladder of progression rather than a completely different class.

[jaythewarrior]

PMSL comments like have held the mardave back for the last 25 years if it was for not foward thinking people you would still have the servo operated speed controler still be arseing about with NImhs as said before google the mardave back 15 years then look in your pit hauler see whats changed not a lot how does this brain washing of Mardave ever catch on is there some secret pill you take. Get real the move is on just like it was with lipos just watch your local club a P2 will turn up there im sure such negative thinking its that that has held the Mardave up for so many years.
Dictatorship thats all it is until you know all the facts and i dont mean from your buddys then i would side line till you have all the facts!!!!:thumbsup:

Actually i spoke to the chairman of BRCA and had it confirmed. stop try to cause argument about a chassis that aint legal above club level and crawl back into your hole. leave the mardave forums alone with that thing and post somewhere else. its not a mardave and dont belong here. the dave class aint been hold back its just stayed that way because thats what we want. and a p2 wont turn up at my club. END OF. DONT REPLY, BECAUSE I WONT BE!!

[Paulnuneaton]

moved to site

[Gazza]

Errr Guys no one is causeing an argument its about a chassis. . its a chassis nothing more nothing less :thumbsup: if you dont want one dont buy one whats all the fuss about

Stamp on it LOL yea you can but if some dad comes up and stamps on you . . . . What a plonkler

any way unlike an ally one it will go back to its originall shape :thumbsup::p

Jay you can call who you like at the BRCA a members vote is just that . . if its voted that cars can run with xx wheel base and xx track width and heaven for bid a LiPo battery and a brushless motor in what you gonna do jump out the window :lol:

[jaythewarrior]

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSprk98XWWnCQzF1sweijR4GY7S-JqEuibPwy3hB0NAdyL7qp3G



and all i did was post a picture of the NEW MARDAVE chassis

:thumbsup: i agree, its all got childish now. why its been allowed in a Mardave forum i dont know :confused:

[Paulnuneaton]

moved to site

[Gazza]

and if a P2 does turn up at your club what . . you gonna go defcon 2 and launch an all out nuclear attack . . grow up

So what about the alloy rear pods chris has now started to make :)

Was this because some guy on ebay was selling them . . No it's because the heat transfer is better than the plastic ones as they warp so will you ban this from your club or jump all over it :thumbdown:

Then we have the plastic Diff hub that . . well lets say it does not run true and wobbles all over the place so again some one on ebay was selling them . . oh look Chris now has alloy ones that are far better than the plastic ones so will you ban this from your club or jump all over it :thumbdown:

Now I have come up with a Better chassis how long before chris takes it on board . . .we will just have to wait and see :D

Now the G2 & 4 cell with the ally chassis. .. been around for ages . . yep sure has and will be around for a lot longer no one is saying any think about it its a good solid car FOR A BEGINNER


The brushless class is the next step as and the Chassis had to change because the ally one could not cope with it and as it warped people could not get there car to handle so beginners packed up all because the chassis was bent as for for the super dave class well that died of death but yea no one is condoning any thing just that the P2 is a far superior chassis to the Ce one and you hate it because its what . . . .

well thats it like Paul says if you want one buy one if not dont simple :)

And Glen yea please stop trolling the sites its real sad

[Col]

Look at it this way gentlemen...

Knowing nothing about Mardaves I was looking to buy one a while ago - I used to own a ministock and fancied something similar. When I discovered that they don't take lipo or brushless I said hell no! No way I was downgrading my stuff to exactly the same gear I had when I was 15 (that's 20 years ago, by he way)

Anyway, that's my 2p worth.

Let's keep it a touch more civil please:thumbsup:

[tisher]

Look at it this way gentlemen...

Knowing nothing about Mardaves I was looking to buy one a while ago - I used to own a ministock and fancied something similar. When I discovered that they don't take lipo or brushless I said hell no! No way I was downgrading my stuff to exactly the same gear I had when I was 15 (that's 20 years ago, by he way)

Anyway, that's my 2p worth.

Let's keep it a touch more civil please:thumbsup:

I am the complete opposite of this as:D I have just got a mardave and is all set up for g2 stock class as I was fed up with all the money being thrown around at buggies and the lack of driving etiquette at least once the dave is set up right it makes for some of the closest racing and some of the best battles for tq that I have seen at our club anyway :thumbsup:I always thought keeping the traditional chassis etc makes it more down to the driver than the car and it keeps it super cheap and is a lot more fun if you change the car to much you may as well race pan cars :thumbdown:

[johnnyp]

and if a P2 does turn up at your club what . . you gonna go defcon 2 and launch an all out nuclear attack . . grow up

So what about the alloy rear pods chris has now started to make :)

Was this because some guy on ebay was selling them . . No it's because the heat transfer is better than the plastic ones as they warp so will you ban this from your club or jump all over it :thumbdown:

Then we have the plastic Diff hub that . . well lets say it does not run true and wobbles all over the place so again some one on ebay was selling them . . oh look Chris now has alloy ones that are far better than the plastic ones so will you ban this from your club or jump all over it :thumbdown:

The Mardave alloy pod was in development for mardave along time before the one on ebay was available
anyone that has seen the work that has gone into it will understand that the development process was huge for it
it started off by me wanting an alloy pod and contacting chris mid 2008 with a phone call too say id like too make one of these but it would be a copy of your design is that ok or if its a success would you like too buy them/have them produced
The first prototype took over a year too get from drawing too made and machined up and fitted on a car then we started too develop it.when i first ran it i instantly noticed how much cooler the motor was but the car handled horrendously as there was this huge lump of aluminium hung on the back of the car. So next was too get the scales and weigh the standard plastic pod with a G4worlds heatsink and try too make the complete alloy pod the same weight! It is too within a couple of grams we included into the design the square locator between the pod sides and bar that is machined so tight that its virtually impossible too get any twist in the pod. The fit for the bearings is all individually reamed rather than the cnc finish to make them a perfect fit this was all nearly another year of development and many many hours of sat infront of a pc on solid works not too mention the hours of machine time it took up too get a version 2 prototype.
I took a call off of chris at the start of the year about the diff hub and so the process started again this was before the one was available on here! if youve looked at it it takes six spoke and 4 spoke wheels is lightened and supplied with an oversize bearing!
dont be so quick too shoot him down he works incredibly hard trying too keep everyone happy and trying too put such a huge list of parts instock!
Gaz and paul good luck with your chassis i made a similar carbon one about 4 years ago won everything it entered and got it banned from most clubs!Its nothing new that hasnt been done before.
jp

[Col]

I am the complete opposite of this as:D I have just got a mardave and is all set up for g2 stock class as I was fed up with all the money being thrown around at buggies and the lack of driving etiquette at least once the dave is set up right it makes for some of the closest racing and some of the best battles for tq that I have seen at our club anyway :thumbsup:I always thought keeping the traditional chassis etc makes it more down to the driver than the car and it keeps it super cheap and is a lot more fun if you change the car to much you may as well race pan cars :thumbdown:

Mine would never have been a racer, just for carpark action with the kiddies.
I ended up putting some old electrics into an old zx5SP I have gathering dust.

[Gazza]

@ Jonny P

Mate nice bit of info from you there its nice to see others trying to help well done that man :thumbsup:

Dont get me wrong I really love the Dave I really do its just. . well I cant put my finger on it I was 100% dedicated on helping Chris and I got back nothing but false statements and I cant work like that

As for

"i made a similar carbon one about 4 years ago won everything it entered and got it banned from most clubs! Its nothing new that hasnt been done before."

Yea where did you race that. . . have you got any Picture's love to see it :thumbsup:
Sound's some thing I would / could / might improve on

[qatmix]

As for Mr wilkinson well now a carbon chassis for £30 or under that my mates will never happen as the old chassis was £38

Just as a FYI the new mardave carbon chassis and top plate will be £29.99 :thumbsup:

[Paulnuneaton]

moved thread

[johnnyp]

just too give you something too do ive included the rules i was emailed prior too ardent national so you can resolve all this rules changes twoddle
and the rules state any Mardave chassis
the Mardave carbon official chassis is legal aslong as its on the market 2 weeks before the next national
hope this clears alot up!

FOR THE PROPOSED BRCA SECTION 2011 MARDAVE CIRCUIT CAR

CONSTRUCTION RULES CHASSIS AND COMPONENTS GENERAL CONSTRUCTION RULES V5 ; 17/10/2011

Cars to be Mardave V12 chassis and suspension Ball races allowed on both front and rear axles. Either 32 or 48 dp pinion and spur gear may be used. Mardave Differentials will be allowed. V20 & V20a wheel carriers & Gears are allowed. Car suspension and wheel carriers shall remain as kit although any commercially available springs may be used. The use of countersunk holes and screws on the underside of the chassis are recommended but not mandatory. Body mounts may be changed or altered. Battery mountings may be changed from original. Wiper board mounting plate may be changed, altered or removed. The motor may be fitted to either side of the pod, either directly or via a spacer/plate(to prevent heat transfer and softening of the blocks, or for weight distribution) providing that there are no alterations to the mounting blocks.(drilling of a hole for access to pinion grub screw and/or addition of tie bar to prevent distortion are permissible) Mardave alloy pod may be used. No external bumpers are permitted, although a firm foam internal bumper is mandatory on the front.(10mm minimum cross section) Any make of servo, servo saver or track rod ends may be used on the cars steering system. Heatsinks with cooling fans are allowed. Plastic whip aerials are allowed but not metal whip aerials or rollover masts BODYSHELL Only the following Mardave Lexan shells may be used for the time being although more shells will be added when approved.

V113L Porsche V131 GT2

V140 Lotus GT1 - V155 Ascari GT3

The shell must remain securely fixed to the car throughout the race. No supplementary aerofoils or fins shall be fitted to the body with the exception of a realistic size rear wing if desirable. This wing must be non metallic, commercially available and securely fixed. The body shell can be decorated to suit the individuals taste providing all coatings are of a permanent nature. The rear of the body shell should remain intact, i.e. not cut-out above the lower bumper line. ELECTRICS STANDARD BRUSHED Any type, make and capacity of speed controller may be used providing it includes reverse.(MAX UK r.r.p. £69.99) Cars to use four cells only, cells to be sub-C sized cells only, with a nominal voltage of 1.2 volts per cell, cells to be NiCad and Nimh only. Battery mountings may be changed from the original. Brushed Motors will be the Mardave G2 (2010) unit; No other motors are allowed. Commercially available comm. drops may be applied to the motor commutator. Under no circumstances are fan motors, re-buildable motors, fitting of external bearings or skimming of motor commutators allowed.

BRUSHLESS 13.5 / 1s Lipo Only forward or forward & reverse Brushless ESC’s with NO TURBO or BOOST or ‘on the fly’ timing advance unless from the following list :-

ESC’s with BLINKY mode activated will be allowed (we will also be checking these fully on the day)

Fusion: - Exceed (Sport, Race, Pro) Castle Creations: - Mamba Max Pro. LRP :- A.I Brushless Reverse, Ai Brushless Pro Reverse, SPX Brushless Reverse, SPX Brushless Bullet - Reverse. Nosram : - Evil Reverse, Evil Power Reverse, Matrix Brushless Reverse, Matrix Power Brushless Reverse Novak : - GTB (GTB 4 Cell, GTB, GTB Spectrum) GTB2, Havoc 1 Cell, Havoc Sport. Tekin :- R1(sensorless) Other suitable ESC’s may be added from time to time NOTE: - Please make your own checks on compatibility with regards 1s lipo use. A voltage booster may be required in most cases. Cars to use 1s Lipo 3.7 volt batteries or 3cell Nimh 3.6 volt Brushless motors to have a minimum of 13.5 turns and a maximum UK r.r.p. of £65.00. Below is a list of approved motors. Others may be added as they become available.

Fusion Exceed £64.99 LRP Eraser £42.99 LRP Vector K4 £56.99 (New Range) Losi Xcelorin £59.99 (One large mail order shop is not stocking as discontinued) Hpi Flux Pro £64.98 Hobbywing £54.95 Team Powers Superlite £34.99 Team Powers plutonium £54.99 Hacker E40 £64.99 Nosram Dragon £???? (discontinued as above - Modelsportuk) Speed Passion Sportsman 2.0 £44.99 Team Powers plutonium £54.99

TIRES The tires may be changed from the original kit tires Tires to be Min 20mm Max 26mm width and have a Max 60mm diameter. No minimum diameter for tires, but the tire must cover the wheel. Any foam tire make or compound allowed. Any commercially available tire additive from the BRCA list may be used and any excess is removed from the surface of the tires and tires to be ‘Touch Dry’ prior to putting on track

GENERAL SETUP Minimum car ride height will be no lower than 3mm, 1mm at the spur gear. Minimum car weight is 1kg (1000g).

PLEASE NOTE Any car not conforming to the above rules will still be allowed to race but will NOT gain any championship points. For drivers wishing to develop or modify cars, this should be done and tested at club level.


If you cant find it the only change is the weight too 950grams as agreed at ardent on the saturday am
jp

[Paulnuneaton]

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[qatmix]

From the Facebook group.

Just to let you all know Chassis will be here in 10 days & Pre orders will be taken from web site www.mardave.co.uk or via your local model shop Retail £29.95 Chassis & Plate

[Paulnuneaton]

Thanks Richard

[Gazza]

So which rules we running to now then
:o :yawn: :eh?: :confused:

MARDAVE V12 BRCA CIRCUIT RULES
2010 / 2011
V12 BRCA Mardave Circuit Rules
General Rules and Regulations 2011/12. These General Rules for Year


V12 Circuit Construction Rules
CHASSIS AND COMPONENTS

1. Cars to be standard 1/12th scale Mardave V12 chassis and suspension.

No composite chassis allowed.. . PMSL :wub
2. Ball races allowed on Front & Rear axle. Rear axle and spur gear either
32dp or 48dp . Diffs are allowed.

[TOMO WEF]

Erm grp is a composite!

[Paulnuneaton]

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[TOMO WEF]

Yep the car of gazza's I drove was great. It was much punchier and quicker than my own 13.5 1s car, not sure what speedo / motor combo it was but it flew.

The car was definitely better than my own in the corners. However there was an issue going into the fast hairpin where it would almost handbrake it's way round the bend either due to the chassis sides catching the floor under heavy load or the speedo neutral brakes being set too high. (Gazza later fitted harder rear springs to control the excessive lateral movement however I didn't drive it after this).

Most importantly though I am yet to drive the Mardave grp or carbon car so cannot comment as to which one I think is best or which is faster.

I do commend anyone who has a passion and works to make something new but there is such a thing as right place right timing with everything.
So in short we all love daves and we should just all remember that and get as many guys trackside as possible and sort the problems out after if there is any.
Just my view guys.

[SlowOne]

Paul,thank you for your posts, they are most informative. Just a couple of points...

12th have had the same design for over 25 years - including a carbon chassis. The materials might have changed a bit in some parts (Ti rods, etc.) but otherwise the carbon 12L from 1987 on my shelf is the same as the 2012 RC12R5.1 I will be running. So, just what is the problem with a class that doesn't change?

Based on the attitude and approach in your posts, I know now which kit to buy if I want to race this class. Thanks for the information.

[Paulnuneaton]

Glad to be of help:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumb sup:
:D

[Paulnuneaton]

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[Aaron w]

So, what chassis won today?

[Karl Dransfield]

So, what chassis won today?

1st - new mardave carbon chassis
2nd - mardave ce chassis
3rd - mardave alloy chassis

[Paulnuneaton]

Wrong karl 2nd place went to james with a copy of our wings on it you seem to have forgot that mate!!!!!!!:D

[Aaron w]

You win Karl? You got a mardave chassis?

[Karl Dransfield]

Wrong karl 2nd place went to james with a copy of our wings on it you seem to have forgot that mate!!!!!!!:D

That was on his other car Paul. He ran the standard ce chassis after the 1st quali. However I tried the LB racing under tray which is a similar concept to the p2 in practice and it produced significantly more rear downforce. The only problem was it scuffing on the ground. But this will be sorted :thumbsup:

[Karl Dransfield]

You win Karl? You got a mardave chassis?

Yeah I was running the new carbon chassis. Much stiffer than the fibreglass one. The car is much more predictable and changes direction quicker. The carbon chassis is definitely the way to go.

[Aaron w]

I'm waiting for one from Chris. I ran the fibre glass one on Friday. Had loads of steering. Just a bit lazy in a fast chicane. Need the cf one.

[Gazza]

Yes was a good day even tho I was down on power and still not sure why my car was so slow i cant put my finger on it it started off ok and as the day went on it got slower and slower an for the life of me I have no Idea why :thumbdown:

I was upset as it was flying the last two meetings and today I could not keep up with James no matter what I did the chassis was superb cant fault it . . .so its down to 3 things now

1 Motor
2 ESC
3 Lipo
Some testing on tuesday me thinks I have to find out whay other wise Tamwoth is out for me :(

But dont go carbon go GRP. . which ever chassis you go fo Carbon is way to much for what it is and wont last long with some Dave drivers :thumbsup:
Also there was no differance in the Carbon chassis as it was still on pace with James's Mardave Ce GRP standard one save ya money go GRP

Yes you all seem to know what the wings do know :thumbsup:
I can bet there will be a few more poping up soon even Karl likes the idea as it sucks the car down

[Paulnuneaton]

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[Gazza]

Yes its a shame mine was down on power I was so gutted other wise would have been good fun . . but hey thats racing

Also on a good note . . .

Two Phone calls this morning with people wanting to make our Wing Chassis . . . :thumbsup:

well Ill keep you all posted :lol:

[Paulnuneaton]

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[Karl Dransfield]

But dont go carbon go GRP. . which ever chassis you go fo Carbon is way to much for what it is and wont last long with some Dave drivers :thumbsup:



GRP has far too much flex.



Also there was no differance in the Carbon chassis as it was still on pace with James's Mardave Ce GRP standard one save ya money go GRP



the carbon one was 4/10ths of a second faster per lap :confused:




I can bet there will be a few more poping up soon even Karl likes the idea as it sucks the car down

But yeah the LB racing undertray (wings) did yield more downforce.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

also Mardaves with under pans seems that people have noticed this has proved that the chassis with wings AKA redbull has made its mark

BANNED in some classes.
Maybe needs nipping in the bud before it get's out of hand.

Stockcar Racing Rules
20) Body and chassis must be securely joined at all times the car is on the track. No wings or aerofoils or any under body aids are allowed

Saloon Stox
14) No unrealistic wings, aerofoils, spoiler or under body aids unless in the original car design or molding

1:10th Electric Circuit
6.4 Under body/chassis aerodynamic aids of any nature are not allowed. Only motor guards are allowed. Smooth lexan undertrays may be fitted to waterproof the cars.

[Gazza]

GRP has far too much flex.

Not really all chassis flex ally - Carbon -GRP they all flex :eh?:


the carbon one was 4/10ths of a second faster per lap :confused:

yea because I was so down on power as stated :woot:



But yeah the LB racing undertray (wings) did yield more downforce.
:thumbsup:

I thank you

[Gazza]

and them class's are


BANNED in some classes.
Maybe needs nipping in the bud before it get's out of hand.

Stockcar Racing Rules
20) Body and chassis must be securely joined at all times the car is on the track. No wings or aerofoils or any under body aids are allowed

Saloon Stox
14) No unrealistic wings, aerofoils, spoiler or under body aids unless in the original car design or molding

1:10th Electric Circuit
6.4 Under body/chassis aerodynamic aids of any nature are not allowed. Only motor guards are allowed. Smooth lexan undertrays may be fitted to waterproof the cars.

[Karl Dransfield]

the carbon one was 4/10ths of a second faster per lap :confused:

yea because I was so down on power as stated :woot:



I was referring to James's ce fibreglass chassis as he was the next fastest.

I can't understand why you were so down on power as you claim. We are running the same battery/ speedo/ motor. Your straight line speed was fine.:confused: Perhaps have a look to see if the motor/motor bearings is/are clogged with carpet.

[redleader]

Can I just say on behalf of LB Racing, we had a great day at Ardent armed with a couple of new ideas to test, we do not produce any chassis, winged or not, or wish to get involved with this chassis argument.

We have produced an undertray to compliment the performance of a new product that we have developed, there is no connection between this and any make of chassis that is currently available.

One thing we did note, and are not too happy about, is that the new chassis are giving the mardave a shorter wheelbase than the standard original chassis. This concerns us as we are manufacturing bodyshells to the original wheelbase, and to find after hours of fine detailing that they do not fit the new chassis, perhaps someone can explain?:confused:

[Ishy]

I can't understand why you were so down on power as you claim. We are running the same battery/ speedo/ motor. Your straight line speed was fine.:confused: Perhaps have a look to see if the motor/motor bearings is/are clogged with carpet.


Probably more to do with corner speed than straight line speed, if straight line speed was the same, maybe the P2 was just scrubbing off more speed in the corners ??

[Ishy]

One thing we did note, and are not too happy about, is that the new chassis are giving the mardave a shorter wheelbase than the standard original chassis. This concerns us as we are manufacturing bodyshells to the original wheelbase, and to find after hours of fine detailing that they do not fit the new chassis, perhaps someone can explain?:confused:

The wheelbase is adjustable on the new chassis, but the longer std setting should be the same as the std chassis I think ?

[Gazza]

I was referring to James's ce fibreglass chassis as he was the next fastest.

I can't understand why you were so down on power as you claim. We are running the same battery/ speedo/ motor. Your straight line speed was fine.:confused: Perhaps have a look to see if the motor/motor bearings is/are clogged with carpet.



Could be Karl I was so gutted on how slow it was compaired to the last two meetings James and myself did I was looking forward to giving you a run . . . . but im at Ardent tuesday ill have a play and check things over see if any thing rears up good racing tho . . .

@LB racing dont worry about the under tray mate its been around for ages and testing is all good fun :thumbsup:
Never noticed the Dave wheel base's shrinking wonder why that is :o

[redleader]

The wheelbase is adjustable on the new chassis, but the longer std setting should be the same as the std chassis I think ?

Adjustable wheelbase on a Mardave, whatever next! :o

[Gazza]

Probably more to do with corner speed than straight line speed, if straight line speed was the same, maybe the P2 was just scrubbing off more speed in the corners ??

Dont know Richard like I have said earlyer it was just slow compaired to last 2 meetings but will see 2 moz whats going on .:o

I did check the chassis tho and no rubbing . . . oh well back to some testing 2moz:thumbsup:

[Paulnuneaton]

Probably more to do with corner speed than straight line speed, if straight line speed was the same, maybe the P2 was just scrubbing off more speed in the corners ??

Know black marks on any of the p2 chassis no scrubbing off in corners on mine Lees or Gazzas just gazza had a lack of power.

[chris_dono]

Know black marks on any of the p2 chassis no scrubbing off in corners on mine Lees or Gazzas just gazza had a lack of power.

not quite what's meant by "scrubbing speed" though LOL

[Paulnuneaton]

sorry Chris got crossed wires mate thought you meant the wings hitting the floor mate

[TOMO WEF]

Link overboard guys. This thread is for the Mardave carbon chassis and the people who would like to read about it.
Maybe start a p2 specific thread or blog to help racers or potential customers of the p2 rather than bolt onto the Mardave threads. Considering you seem to be disappointed with Mardave why associate with it? like I am sure the new Schumacher car will have it's own section etc so why not the p2?

[Paulnuneaton]

Now that's a thought

[jaythewarrior]

Link overboard guys. This thread is for the Mardave carbon chassis and the people who would like to read about it.
Maybe start a p2 specific thread or blog to help racers or potential customers of the p2 rather than bolt onto the Mardave threads. Considering you seem to be disappointed with Mardave why associate with it? like I am sure the new Schumacher car will have it's own section etc so why not the p2?

i agree, but every "New Mardave" thing gets flooded with this P2 thing and kinda gets lost, theres already atleast 6 threads now about this P2 and its getting out of hand now :(

[Paulnuneaton]

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[jaythewarrior]

Did not think it would be long before you had something to say. Well don't worry two:thumbsup: major suppliers are now going to produce them. But you won't need one will you:thumbsup::thumbsup:

well i know you get lonely with out me :p but naaaah i wont be needing one. got my own projects to worrie about.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

This thread is for the Mardave carbon chassis and the people who would like to read about it.


Well said :thumbsup:

Maybe start a p2 specific thread or blog to help racers or potential customers of the p2

Well said :thumbsup:, then we can load that thread about the new Mardave Carbon Chassis :lol:

[Paulnuneaton]

edited post - no thanks Paul, lets rise above this type of behaviour

Col

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Would give you something to do then Mr web troll:thumbsup:

think you qualify as one also :lol:

In Internet slang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_slang), a troll is someone who posts inflammatory,[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)#cite_note-1) extraneous (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/extraneous#Adjective), or off-topic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Off-topic) messages in an online community

oooooop's I've done it again myself :lol:

[Paulnuneaton]

:p PMSL:p:p

[Gazza]

Trolling
As with graffiti, is an art-form susceptible wannabe boogiemen of the Internet,
who post on sites and then go to another site and post again makes them look as tho they know whats going on. . .

then wait for reply's and post that on the other forum and not posting in there own words and see whos done what and back again

Problem?

Get a Life :thumbsup:

The troll phenomenon concept,

Now pack it in both of you :bored:

[Gazza]

hmm i see another site where its a one way converstation :wub

[Col]

You were trolling IMO, writing a post about someone else trolling...

[Gazza]

LOL so you deleted my post and left Glenns :p yea I see that as fair Nick LOL

[TOMO WEF]

Lol @ Gazza........ Pot kettle black comes to mind lololololololo

[Gazza]

Yea but as you have no idea on the conversation Tomo you cant really comment can you :thumbsup:

[TOMO WEF]

Pmsl you are brilliant value. Once again pot. Kettle. Black.

[Col]

Post restored just so everyone can read it.


If this thread doesn't get back on topic by tonight it's getting closed.:thumbdown:

[Gazza]

Thanks Nick

There you go tomo as you can now see no kettle or pot black just a comment :thumbsup:

[Dale Goodchild]

Gazza and Paul, I can understand that you have your own chassis design and would like to make it as popular as possible, but this thread is about the MARDAVE one and you 2 are just making it hard to read!!!!

I personally am very interested in moving from Oval to Circuit and have been reading quite a bit lately on here about it all, but with the constant bickerings on differnet posts about the same things I may have to rethink plans! :thumbdown:

[jaythewarrior]

If this thread doesn't get back on topic by tonight it's getting closed.:thumbdown:
:thumbsup:

[Paulnuneaton]

Dale my last post on here was a week ago mate i have no intensions of talking about the P2 i will let the official supplier of them do that!!!!! In the New year
Tomo you make me die you realy do!!!!!
So over to the real topic the Carbon GRP sandwich chassis:D

[Gazza]

every forum goes off topic we have the same problem some one asks about one thing then you compair it to another and before you know where you are its some thing differant . . The mods should delete stuff before it ran away but hey oh any way . .

Yep New Carbon Mardave chassis who has one ?

Does it come blank so you can put your own servo in along with Battery holder or is it all pre done

have you run it yet and whats your thoughts ?

did you have to alter any thing springs or tyres etc post to let us know :thumbsup:

[johnnyp]

So over to the real topic the Carbon GRP sandwich chassis:D

almost slanderous????

[Paulnuneaton]

OMG how can it be slanderous its carbon surface over GRP so how do you get that idea. its not fully carbon true. its sandwiched do you know how much the cost of a full carbon graphite chassis would be.
You must be aware at a price of £29.99 you are not going to get a fully carbon graphite chassis.
now if you think im wrong go on fiber lyte's website and look at it yourself before you make a comment.:thumbsup:

FIBER LYTE WEBSITE

D1.4 mm CSC2 carbon 1 glass0-90/0-90 g/0-90E2.0 mm CSC2 carbon 3 glass0-90/0-90 g/+- 45g/0-90 g/0-90F2.3 mm CSC 4 carbon 1 glass0-90/+-45/0-90 g/+-45/0-90G2.6 mm CSC4 carbon 2 glass0-90/+-45/0-90 g/0-90 g/+-45/0-90H2.9 mm CSC4 carbon 3 glass0-90/+-45/0-90 g/0-90 g/0-90 g/+-45/0-90I3.0 mm CSC2 carbon 4 glass0-90/0-90 g/0-90 g/0-90 g/0-90 g /0-90

Now there you go am i wrong and im not knocking it just showing that its not fully carbon as some people think


Carbon Fibre Off Cut
This is Genuine Carbon fibre, and not a fake sticker!
These are high quality pieces of carbon, suitable for a massive range of uses. I.e dash board trims, RC Model Components, Car interior trims, Motorbike trims and components etc
This auction is for an off cut - size 430mm x 355mm ( this is the smallest size as they vary slightly by a couple of mm)
These sheets have tiny holes drilled on the edges but the measurements are taken from inside these holes, so the sheets are slightly bigger than stated!

£22.95 per sheet

[Gazza]

almost slanderous????

ALMOST but deffo not as Jimbo has all ready told us :thumbsup:

its glass fibre in the middle and two layers of carbon top and bottom. This gives the best of both worlds - stiffer and lighter than all GRP but cheaper than all carbon. "

So ill say it for you its not a 100% carbon Chassis but a mix of GRP and Carbon not almost but deffo

I thanks you :woot::woot:

Edit
ally chassis done by fibre lyte in carbon £38 so work it out you selfs its not 100% carbon

[Karl Dransfield]

http://i.imgur.com/e9yKn.jpg

Carbon chassis fitted! :thumbsup:

[Chippy96]

Karl,keep us posted on your thoughts about any improvements over the CE and "normal" Daves,cheers PC.:thumbsup:

[4_cell_racer]

Nice neat install as ALWAYS Karl :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[cr1tch]

http://i.imgur.com/e9yKn.jpg

Carbon chassis fitted! :thumbsup:

Karl i am drooling now:drool:, looks awsome just puts the CE version to shame:thumbsup: