Round 3 Cobra - 22 January

[JACKOR33]

As above, entries are open and are via the central booking system on www.wrca.org.uk (http://www.wrca.org.uk/)

There will be teas, coffees, soft drinks as well as Bacon butties, hotdogs, chocolate, crisps and more!

Doors will open at approx 8am with Practice starting at approx 9am. Can't tell you what time we will aim to be finished by as that will depend on entries

There is mains power, but bring an extension lead as you may not be able to pit right next to the socket!
There will be NO pitting in the same hall as the track, the pitting will be in the 2 small meeting rooms and the reception area.

Talking of pitting, please DO NOT bring your own tables and chairs, we have limited space so we will be laying out tables and chairs in advance to ensure space is maximised and disabled access is available:thumbsup:

Track should be multi-surface & tyres most commonly used at club are Schumacher yellow mini-pins & mini-spikes.

We are awaiting confirmation if we can run on the polished floor and as soon as i find out i will update this thread.


See you all there

[peetbee]

We've already received some entries, keep 'em coming :thumbsup:
Happy new year everyone and see you there:D

[peetbee]

19 entries so far, keep them coming in guys :D

[peetbee]

Now that everything is hopefully back to normal after Christmas and New Year's, please keep those entries coming in!

With 10 days to go before online entries close, we have:
15 x 2wd 10th entries
5 x 4wd 10th entries
4 x Micro entries
2 x Truck entries

Don't forget we need a minimum of 6 cars in a class to run it and that late entries will incur a £2 fee!

I'm really looking forward to this and whilst you are entering on www.wrca.org.uk (http://www.wrca.org.uk) don't forget to enter the micro round at WORM on the 19th February :thumbsup:

[acorn28]

I've added 4wd to my original 2wd entry this afternoon. Does this count as 2 spaces on booking form or should I just leave it at 1? Sorry for the daft question, just don't want to take an extra space unnecessarily. Looking forward to it. Cheers, Rich.

[peetbee]

No worries Rich, that field is only really used for people booking in more than 1 person rather than number of entries per class :woot:

[JACKOR33]

Guys we now have a reserve list in operation as we have reached the capacity of racers our venue can safely hold :o:o:D

I'm sure pete or steve curtis will clarify the reserve process for those who were leaving it until last minute to book into the event and let you know if its worth popping down on the day!

Provisional Heats list will follow shortly:thumbsup:

[peetbee]

The way the booking system works is that you can still book in but you will be notified that you are on the waiting list, on screen and via email.

Should spaces become available you will be emailed to confirm that you are now entered - (this may be an email from me or if someone was to cancel their entry on the system it will auto email you confirmation that you are entered). I will then make sure that Steve is kept up to date.

So for this to work smoothly if you want to attend please book in online, if you are no longer attending please delete your entry on the system or at least email wrca.events@hotmail.co.uk
:D

[big dave]

Are you serious. entrys full.

its only the 12th of jan. There are members of the WRCA that have to put in this round to get the results they need to complete.
I know of around 8 from swansea that have yet to book. Due to not being at our club since mid december as we have been shut and some away events. only this sunday i can address them to tell them to book in.

[2FAST4U]

If there is a restriction on entrys - would it not of been better to ask if another club could help provide a larger venue?

[DCM]

I shall check entry numbers this evening, when I am home to see how many individuals are booked in, as of 7am today, there were 33 people, some doing two classes. Entries have been on a first come basis and has been open for a few weeks.

COBRA had to change venues due to cost and issue's with the old venue, the new venue is a lot smaller, but also a lot cheaper to hire, due to the limited pitting space, we had to put a cap on entries, I am sure we could fit more in, but we also got to consider health and safety, fire safety and that we are happily accommodating two wheel chair users also.

If you wish to book in, as and when spaces come up, entries will be allocated again on a first come process. Holding the meeting at another venue was looked at but was not practical to do.

[JACKOR33]

If there is a restriction on entrys - would it not of been better to ask if another club could help provide a larger venue?

So going by the above the national series that is fed by this series should have bigger venues every year aswell because they are oversubscribed and operate a reserve list:rolleyes:

We have had about 40 entries a similar amount to swansea's first round, the event booking in has been open for over a month so plenty of time for people to book in.
We will look if we can squeeze in anymore people into the pitting areas this sunday but still ensuring adequate disabled access to and from the rostrum. If we cannto fit anymore in people would have to pit outside or in their car which i'm sure you'll agree people would be quick to moan about aswell?!

IF people had booked in advance then we would have seen the need to use a larger venue and this would have been done! As such we had less than 20 drivers only 3 days ago so its all last minute panick by a few drivers now....Sorry but we cant now just change venue for the event!

[big dave]

The fact is. it will damage the championship if this round goes on. For those who get in get the points. So what has been run so far is worth nothing.
This is the last round for the 4wd and 2wd. so for those that get in will be able to change the championship. And in each class has the entry levels been consider'd. ie if 2 micros get booked in. then there will be nice points.

I understand the size of the venue etc. But the WRCA should have know if a club can only hold 35 drivers and we normally get 55 then this cant happen. Im not digging at cobra, just saying the fact that the round is going to cause havoc to those who cant get in. The round should have been held at a venue that can cater for the WRCA.

But on a plus side. im holding the next round in swansea in my bedroom. its capped at 3 drivers, micro only. Sorry axman, the wifes reffing.
you can see where this is going. big can of worms.

[JACKOR33]

The fact is. it will damage the championship if this round goes on. For those who get in get the points. So what has been run so far is worth nothing.
This is the last round for the 4wd and 2wd. so for those that get in will be able to change the championship. And in each class has the entry levels been consider'd. ie if 2 micros get booked in. then there will be nice points.

I understand the size of the venue etc. But the WRCA should have know if a club can only hold 35 drivers and we normally get 55 then this cant happen. Im not digging at cobra, just saying the fact that the round is going to cause havoc to those who cant get in. The round should have been held at a venue that can cater for the WRCA.

But on a plus side. im holding the next round in swansea in my bedroom. its capped at 3 drivers, micro only. Sorry axman, the wifes reffing.
you can see where this is going. big can of worms.





Lol @ big dave next time in his bedroom sounds good are spectators allowed??:woot:

"This is the last round for the 4wd and 2wd. so for those that get in will be able to change the championship. And in each class has the entry levels been consider'd. ie if 2 micros get booked in. then there will be nice points."


As regards 2wd pretty much the top 10 runners have entered we have 22 entries vs 26 for swansea round
I Cant see anybody who hasnt entered being able to affect the outcome due to points that have been scoRed already by the top ten vs the other people who have only done 1 round!!

As regards 4wd there are a number of the top ten missing we have 9 entered vs 15 for swansea round

As regards micro there are 4 of the top ten entered we only have received
6 entries vs 18 for swansea round
Micro's have the chance for another round at worm, and i figured by the low entries most going to this dedicated micro event...

The fact of the matter is if drivers are so very concerned about placing at end of indoor season then like others have done surely they would have supported the series and booked in advance - i would have thought makes sense???

As said earlier post:

IF people had booked in advance then we would have seen the need to use a larger venue and this would have been done! As such we had less than 20 drivers only 3 days ago so its all last minute panick by a few drivers now....Sorry but we cant now just change venue for the event!

For us to book a large hall in the area costs around 250-350 and needs booking advance , with less than 20 people entered upto 3 days ago to financially commit to a venue like this with no income guarenteed by prepayment of entries"just in case loads of people book in late" in anybodys book is not financially sensible for any club to do!:yawn:

[big dave]

So going by the above the national series that is fed by this series should have bigger venues every year aswell because they are oversubscribed and operate a reserve list:rolleyes:

We have had about 40 entries a similar amount to swansea's first round, the event booking in has been open for over a month so plenty of time for people to book in.
We will look if we can squeeze in anymore people into the pitting areas this sunday but still ensuring adequate disabled access to and from the rostrum. If we cannto fit anymore in people would have to pit outside or in their car which i'm sure you'll agree people would be quick to moan about aswell?!

IF people had booked in advance then we would have seen the need to use a larger venue and this would have been done! As such we had less than 20 drivers only 3 days ago so its all last minute panick by a few drivers now....Sorry but we cant now just change venue for the event!


When you hold a national. You are TOLD how many enties you are to cater for. If you cannot, then you cannot have the meeting. The capped number is normally higher than the avarage that attends the meetings. SO if they avarage 60 drivers you must be able to hold 80 drivers.
So with WRCA avarage being 50, then you must be able to hold 65.
Its not rocket sience

[big dave]

Lol @ big dave next time in his bedroom sounds good are spectators allowed??:woot:
As regards 2wd pretty much the top 10 runners have entered we have 22 entries vs 26 for swansea round

As regards 4wd there are a number of the top ten missing we have 9 entered vs 15 for swansea round

As regards micro there are 4 of the top ten entered we only have received
6 entries vs 18 for swansea round
Micro's have the chance for another round at worm, and i figured by the low entries most going to this dedicated micro event...

The fact of the matter is if drivers are so very concerned about placing at end of indoor season then like others have done surely they would have supported the series and booked in advance - i would have thought makes sense???

As said earlier post:

IF people had booked in advance then we would have seen the need to use a larger venue and this would have been done! As such we had less than 20 drivers only 3 days ago so its all last minute panick by a few drivers now....Sorry but we cant now just change venue for the event!

For us to book a large hall in the area costs around 250-350 and needs booking advance , with less than 20 people entered upto 3 days ago to financially commit to a venue like this with no income guarenteed by prepayment of entries"just in case loads of people book in late" in anybodys book is not financially sensible for any club to do!:yawn:


Dont forget you can't run the micro's with 4, as caldicot could not run trucks with the same ammount. Dont want to open any more cans of worms. But if you can see, that if its runs and 4 micros run. then they don't have to worry about the B final. Currently i would say the WRCA should see a C final for micros. as christmas has brought in a lot more. At club we get 3 heats of micros, and we shut for the WRCA, so nearly all our club races at the WRCA. If this goes ahead. then the championship for all classes will be trashed. So where do i get my refund for the WRCA championship

[Dyna]

Da dum.... da dum... Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the WRCA... :woot:

Sorry, bit left-field that. Please go on :)

[JACKOR33]

Dont forget you can't run the micro's with 4, as caldicot could not run trucks with the same ammount. Dont want to open any more cans of worms. But if you can see, that if its runs and 4 micros run. then they don't have to worry about the B final. Currently i would say the WRCA should see a C final for micros. as christmas has brought in a lot more. At club we get 3 heats of micros, and we shut for the WRCA, so nearly all our club races at the WRCA. If this goes ahead. then the championship for all classes will be trashed. So where do i get my refund for the WRCA championship


Its not trashed read the post lol Its not rocket science like you said before;):p


As regards 2wd pretty much the top 10 runners have entered we have 22 entries vs 26 for swansea round
I Cant see anybody who hasnt entered being able to affect the outcome due to points that have been scoRed already by the top ten vs the other people who have only done 1 round - check out the points table for your self!!!

So please explain how this is trashed :confused:

[JACKOR33]

Da dum.... da dum... Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the WRCA... :woot:

Sorry, bit left-field that. Please go on :)

PMSL Matt nice one no stress on my part :thumbsup::woot:

[Pops]

The only fair thing to do is reschedule at a larger venue! Put an end to this thread and move forward. START A POLL..GO WITH MAJORITY! END OF...
For the record Owen IS booked in

[JACKOR33]

The only fair thing to do is reschedule at a larger venue! Put an end to this thread and move forward. START A POLL..GO WITH MAJORITY! END OF...
For the record Owen IS booked in


You wont mind to guarentee to cover the cost of the entry fees if we book a hall then loads don't turn up dave ;):woot::p

Majority that havent booked in are micro who have another round open to them not the 10th drivers m8.......

[Pops]

You wont mind to guarentee to cover the cost of the entry fees if we book a hall then loads don't turn up dave ;):woot::p

Majority that havent booked in are micro who have another round open to them not the 10th drivers m8.......

And why wouldnt they turn up Dave?

[Dyna]

Is it not 2 out of 3 rounds to count then for the 1/10 ?

In theory, the best 2 rounds score ?

[big dave]

Ok then. We have had no warning about capped booking in. So no one knew to book in early.

So now i have over 10 members that i can think of now, who SHOULD be entering there reginal round in 2 weeks to score in the chamionship that they have started back in november. "but they cant" Now does that not tell you that there championship is ruined. Now im sure from that you see how it is ruined.

[Jamie.T]

Ok guys, I'm going to try and be diplomatic here.

Instead of focusing on what went wrong, and how it hasn't worked out to be fair to everyone, how can we resolve it. I have 3 options I'd like to put forward:

1. Cobra hosts their 1/10 wrca round in 2 parts, maybe 4wd/2wd one day, and perhaps micro on another date, or a combination of any classes spread over 2 days.

2. Cobra postpones their wrca round, and with the sudden surge in entries this would allow them to organize a larger venue to host ALL entries.

3. If its decided the wrca will go ahead this weekend, then take the top 12 from each class meaning a total of 36 entries so the people in contentance for the championship in each class have a fair chance to win.

If these options are ok with cobra, then perhaps a vote could be taken upon the outcome?

[DCM]

As a club member of COBRA, using our previous venue would not happen, as financially, the club would take a large financial hit, to hire the venue for the Sunday, 9:30 (if they bother to open the doors then) till 5pm, plus 4 hours on the Saturday, we would be looking at least £350, then we have to transport our carpet, track markings, lap counting etc to there on the Saturday, and back again Sunday evening, sorry chaps, that ain't going to happen, at all.

The only possible option is splitting it over two weekends, but currently, we only have 6-7 micro's booked in, and that won't cover the cost of the new venue either.

As it stands, those who have done two rounds comes to 27, thats without looking to see if some of them have done two classes.

[Teaboy]

Shame its not Rocket Science i would be the best at it then :p

Cheers

Rich


Its not trashed read the post lol Its not rocket science like you said before;):p


As regards 2wd pretty much the top 10 runners have entered we have 22 entries vs 26 for swansea round
I Cant see anybody who hasnt entered being able to affect the outcome due to points that have been scoRed already by the top ten vs the other people who have only done 1 round - check out the points table for your self!!!

So please explain how this is trashed :confused:

[leeboy44]

7 hours ago this capping come out! how long ago did you guys know you had a WRCA round??

this is CRAZY

im booked in, but i wont be going on my own so if the other swansea members that support the WRCA in every round cant go then im pulling out

you guys new months ago that you had a WRCA round, you cant go capping it now

as another member said on another WRCA post

SCRAP THE WRCA ITS A EMBARRASSMENT

i kinda guested this was going to happen, i was talking to a cobra member and he said you guys was looking to race mardave's because the hall is to small! :lol::wtf:

if this is the case why the HELL has cobra got a round?

dave, steve and the other members please dont take this the wrong way, as you can see there is a few members thats not happy about this short notice and to be fair its understanding

please let us know ASAP if this is going to change so i can pull my entry if the other boys are not going!!

all the best (i think your going to need it) :thumbsup:

[jaysllim]

y dnt u just drop the micros freeing up some spaces nd that way every class gets 3 rounds? just an idea

[leeboy44]

y dnt u just drop the micros freeing up some spaces nd that way every class gets 3 rounds? just an idea

drop the micros? you crazy or what? we get 3 heats of micros at swansea that a min of 30 entry's at £7 an entry (inless you entered 2 or more classes) £210 lost :thumbsup: good 1

[DCM]

We got a total of 7 micro's booked in, as a club we get a rare view of a micro every now and then, but other than that, nothing. As for 30 micro's, so far, out of Swansea and Caldicot, only 12 people have done two rounds.

Lee, if your not racing, could you let us know, so we can allocate your place, I am sure there are others willing to take it.

[axeman]

thats been a great read!!!

Guppy I think I need to support your wife in the bedroom department, I don't think she could do it alone.

I'm booked in but will happily remove myself from the event as long as I get 99 points for the round as a good will gesture.

I do believe Jamie has hit the nail on the head of running it over two days.

[jaysllim]

drop the micros? you crazy or what? we get 3 heats of micros at swansea that a min of 30 entry's at £7 an entry (inless you entered 2 or more classes) £210 lost :thumbsup: good 1


ye but they capped it so u wouldnt have got all that,nd steve just said theres only 7 micros so if u dropped em u get 7 more places towards the 10 guppy was on about,thats all i was saying but im stepping bk away coz i dnt need the hassle of some trying to make look stupid

[leeboy44]

We got a total of 7 micro's booked in, as a club we get a rare view of a micro every now and then, but other than that, nothing. As for 30 micro's, so far, out of Swansea and Caldicot, only 12 people have done two rounds.

Lee, if your not racing, could you let us know, so we can allocate your place, I am sure there are others willing to take it.

if there is only 7 entered thats 3 of us from swansea, i know of another 12 just from swansea that was planing on going but obviously CANT NOW


pull me out steve i cant see anything being done about this :mad:

thats my WRCA over this year thanks to short notice!

this could of been solved with NOTICE

disgraceful springs to mind

[leeboy44]

ye but they capped it so u wouldnt have got all that,nd steve just said theres only 7 micros so if u dropped em u get 7 more places towards the 10 guppy was on about,thats all i was saying but im stepping bk away coz i dnt need the hassle of some trying to make look stupid


i bet you if this had not been capped the micros would of been the bigger class so why not drop 4wd or 2wd??

[jaysllim]

because we only got 3 rounds not 4 like the micro's

[DCM]

Could you inform Pete Belsten then that you are withdrawing your entry, so the system can be updated.

[leeboy44]

Could you inform Pete Belsten then that you are withdrawing your entry, so the system can be updated.


NO he can find out on here

[DCM]

No probs, will let him know.

[Dyna]

Daaa dummm... daaa dummm.. da dum da dum da dum... Wheres the handy oxygen cylinder and rifle ??

Apparently the pesky WRCA is to blame for the everything and needs to be blown up.... :woot:

Sorry, im off again. Please continue :)

[Jamie.T]

Perhaps we need a solution as previously mentioned that everybody Will be happy with.

I've listed 3 possible options above.

[Pops]

Daaa dummm... daaa dummm.. da dum da dum da dum... Wheres the handy oxygen cylinder and rifle ??

Apparently the pesky WRCA is to blame for the everything and needs to be blown up.... :woot:

Sorry, im off again. Please continue :)


You booked in then Mat?

[hit5005]

so is micro going ahead if not put my entry in has 2wd

[JACKOR33]

so is micro going ahead if not put my entry in has 2wd

Yes it is huw, unless its posted in an official manner that the class doesnt have enough entries ;)

you could enter Both m8:thumbsup:

[_sleigh_]

From my point of view, you're in a very difficult situation regarding this COBRA round of the series. In the initial series information on both the WRCA site and here on oOple, there was now mention of a capped entry at such a low number for round 3 compared to the other rounds.

The reasons might be fully understandable due to the venue size and H&S concerns, but none COBRA club members would not be aware of this until trying to book in (and then it's too late). Certainly when I registered and tried to book into the previous round at Caldicot, I also looked at the rest of the series dates and venues (as I fancied doing the rest) and didn't see the drastically lower cap for this round.

As for dropping classes at this round, that seems a little harse seeing as from your own results table you can clearly see that Micros are the most supported across the first two rounds. They are also run a pretty close second on the overall numbers per class.

The series details do rightly say that certain classes may be combined with other similar classes if numbers are low. It doesn't however mention anywhere that 2wd/4wd are the main class and will therefore take preference over all others.

Another question would be, if you were to drop the 7 micro entries, how many of those are already doing another class? And therefore won't actually free up an entry as they'll still need the pitting space. As has been mentioned, you still need to consider the H&S concerns in the pits. So the cap is actually the number of people in the pits.

It also been highlighted that the COBRA club don't often see Micro racers at club nights, but maybe this is because you see them as less important than other classes?? As they're the first you've suggested as the class to be dropped then I'd certainly see it that way, and wouldn't feel very welcome at a club with such a view.

One final point, it was mentioned earlier in this thread that as the top so many drivers in the championship were already booked into the COBRA round then it wouldn't effect the championship results as they could score points. Surely this is also just saying that your bothered about those racers who are currently running lower down the championship?? They may only be in the lower half as they've only completed one round and the COBRA round would have been their second round to count and potentially they could still be the series champion?? Ultimately every racer should be treated the same, whether their a winner of the 'A' or finish 7th in F final.

[jaysllim]

ye but hang on thats not the view of the club that was me just sugesting it not the club saying it as i am not a member of any club so its not really tthe clubs view,i only suggested it because if cobra would be dropped then 2wd/4wd would only get 2 rounds nd micro 4 so it was a compramise sugestion thats all, but u say im basically bias for the class im raacing in and you are correct phil but then by the sounds of your ur lastish paragraphs ur biased towards ur class.

[hit5005]

Yes it is huw, unless its posted in an official manner that the class doesnt have enough entries ;)

you could enter Both m8:thumbsup:
how do i do that?

[JACKOR33]

From my point of view, you're in a very difficult situation regarding this COBRA round of the series. In the initial series information on both the WRCA site and here on oOple, there was now mention of a capped entry at such a low number for round 3 compared to the other rounds.

The reasons might be fully understandable due to the venue size and H&S concerns, but none COBRA club members would not be aware of this until trying to book in (and then it's too late). Certainly when I registered and tried to book into the previous round at Caldicot, I also looked at the rest of the series dates and venues (as I fancied doing the rest) and didn't see the drastically lower cap for this round.

As for dropping classes at this round, that seems a little harse seeing as from your own results table you can clearly see that Micros are the most supported across the first two rounds. They are also run a pretty close second on the overall numbers per class.

The series details do rightly say that certain classes may be combined with other similar classes if numbers are low. It doesn't however mention anywhere that 2wd/4wd are the main class and will therefore take preference over all others.

Another question would be, if you were to drop the 7 micro entries, how many of those are already doing another class? And therefore won't actually free up an entry as they'll still need the pitting space. As has been mentioned, you still need to consider the H&S concerns in the pits. So the cap is actually the number of people in the pits.

It also been highlighted that the COBRA club don't often see Micro racers at club nights, but maybe this is because you see them as less important than other classes?? As they're the first you've suggested as the class to be dropped then I'd certainly see it that way, and wouldn't feel very welcome at a club with such a view.

One final point, it was mentioned earlier in this thread that as the top so many drivers in the championship were already booked into the COBRA round then it wouldn't effect the championship results as they could score points. Surely this is also just saying that your bothered about those racers who are currently running lower down the championship?? They may only be in the lower half as they've only completed one round and the COBRA round would have been their second round to count and potentially they could still be the series champion?? Ultimately every racer should be treated the same, whether their a winner of the 'A' or finish 7th in F final.

Sleigh

This is not a rant just a heads up for your information:thumbsup:

First of all I think we need to clarify the people who are proposing that classes be dropped or Dates changed etc are NON COBRA MEMBERS - Please check before making these assumptions and casting a decision over attending the club based on these assumptions;)

We have 23 2wd entries only 3 less than the swansea round i believe and alot of these have supported every round
9 - that have attended 2 rounds
6 - that have attended 1 round
the rest it is their first round
so again please take care before labelling the club in such away that we only care about the top runners:(

We are aware of who is able to win as chris mills has compliled a list so who he knows who he has to beat to win lol:woot:

thanks

dave

[JACKOR33]

how do i do that?

Wrca website under my bookings tab
add 2nd or 3 rd class and hit save
simples:thumbsup:

[DCM]

There are reasons for the cap coming in late, but that is a club matter and couldn't be helped. It was literally last weekend (the first we have been able to get access to the venue since the weekend before Christmas) that we could finally tally up pitting arrangement, as this will be the first regional we have held at the event.

The weekend will go ahead, and as long as there are enough entries per class, a heat will be put on, currently classes entered are 10th 2wd, enough for a heat, 10th 4wd, enough for a heat, micro, enough for a heat, trucks, not enough for a heat, those entered trucks are being asked if they wish to do another class, if not, then there entry will be cancelled.

Right, now comes the easy bit, this may be a WRCA organised championship, we use the term 'regional' but it isn't really, as this is not a championship that will affect your LICENCE GRADE, we call it a regional series, but it isn't, it is a series organised by our regional organisation.

COBRA will look again this weekend as to whether we can fit any more people in, if so, we will let you know, if we can't, we can't, this is Marhsfield Village Hall, not the TARDIS.

[hit5005]

Wrca website under my bookings tab
add 2nd or 3 rd class and hit save
simples:thumbsup:
nice one all done

[jaysllim]

so who he knows who he has to beat to win lol:woot:


dave

dnt wrry dave i have my orders,by the way wa car u running just so i no wat to aim for lol

[JACKOR33]

dnt wrry dave i have my orders,by the way wa car u running just so i no wat to aim for lol

Im running axemans cougar ;):p

[DCM]

Dave's running a different car each round!! lol

[_sleigh_]

Sleigh

This is not a rant just a heads up for your information:thumbsup:

First of all I think we need to clarify the people who are proposing that classes be dropped or Dates changed etc are NON COBRA MEMBERS - Please check before making these assumptions and casting a decision over attending the club based on these assumptions;)

We have 23 2wd entries only 3 less than the swansea round i believe and alot of these have supported every round
9 - that have attended 2 rounds
6 - that have attended 1 round
the rest it is their first round
so again please take care before labelling the club in such away that we only care about the top runners:(

We are aware of who is able to win as chris mills has compliled a list so who he knows who he has to beat to win lol:woot:

thanks

dave

I can see how you've read my post, but I was more aiming the points at all those who've posted in this thread up until now and the WRCA in general and not directly at the COBRA club (apart from the point made about micro number at club nights, and this was made by others before me)


ye but hang on thats not the view of the club that was me just sugesting it not the club saying it as i am not a member of any club so its not really tthe clubs view,i only suggested it because if cobra would be dropped then 2wd/4wd would only get 2 rounds nd micro 4 so it was a compramise sugestion thats all, but u say im basically bias for the class im raacing in and you are correct phil but then by the sounds of your ur lastish paragraphs ur biased towards ur class.

Jay, I'm not favouring any class as I raced in two at Caldicot (4wd & Micro) and that would have been my plan for this round too.

[pearceno1]

As part of Swansea club I think to say this is a joke ,

No disrespectc. I have had limited acces to the internet and with Xmas being such a busy period for me I planned to book in with my old girls Internet this evening ,

Low and behold , capped !!!!


Well this is just amazing , to bd honest it sums up everything I've heard about thd wrca in previous years

I can clarify for myself and many others that I will deff not be supporting the wrca in future events

Btw , yes micro I was going to race along with many others

If the venue was do small and the club was in finacial difficulty they should have explored this avenue before this joke !!!

No offence , what faith will majority of people now have in cobra no offence and especially the wrca for letting this go ahead

[DCM]

Phil, we favour no class, actually, the class that a lot of COBRA members run, isn't even catered for. Just the way the figures stack up, size of entry goes Truck, Micro's, 4wd then 2wd. I can't see the micro drivers who are booked in, cancelling, so Micro's will still go ahead.

[DCM]

If the venue was do small and the club was in finacial difficulty they should have explored this avenue before this joke !!!

Lets get this straigh, COBRA is NOT in financial difficulty as we have now moved from our previous indoor venue, which cost a lot of money, which, even last year, didn't break even at our winter indoor WRCA event.

Also, numbers this year are up from last year, and unfortunately, in Cardiff, it is difficult to find a venue that a) is open on the weekend, b) actually wants toy cars running in there and c) financially viable.

[JACKOR33]

As part of Swansea club I think to say this is a joke ,

No disrespectc. I have had limited acces to the internet and with Xmas being such a busy period for me I planned to book in with my old girls Internet this evening ,

Low and behold , capped !!!!


Well this is just amazing , to bd honest it sums up everything I've heard about thd wrca in previous years

I can clarify for myself and many others that I will deff not be supporting the wrca in future events

Btw , yes micro I was going to race along with many others

If the venue was do small and the club was in finacial difficulty they should have explored this avenue before this joke !!!

No offence , what faith will majority of people now have in cobra no offence and especially the wrca for letting this go ahead



The venue racers 10th 2wd and 4wd every week no problems thanks so not that small;)
We just decided we wouldnt book an expensive hall that couldnt be refunded just in case we had a large intake and tbh 1 week before an event we only had 20 entries it didnt make sense - I'm sure you'll agree most other clubs wouldnt just spend £300 willy nilly - lol that saying always makes me laugh :woot:

[_sleigh_]

Phil, we favour no class, actually, the class that a lot of COBRA members run, isn't even catered for. Just the way the figures stack up, size of entry goes Truck, Micro's, 4wd then 2wd. I can't see the micro drivers who are booked in, cancelling, so Micro's will still go ahead.

It's just the way it came across in an earlier post. But as this easily demonstrates, it can sometime be difficult to understand an individuals view point from behind a keyboard. :)


Unfortunately it only too common on oOple over the past years or so :bored:

[pearceno1]

The venue racers 10th 2wd and 4wd every week no problems thanks so not that small;)
We just decided we wouldnt book an expensive hall that couldnt be refunded just in case we had a large intake and tbh 1 week before an event we only had 20 entries it didnt make sense - I'm sure you'll agree most other clubs wouldnt just spend £300 willy nilly - lol that saying always makes me laugh :woot:




You can run 1/5 scale in your garden comfortably , but if you invite your street over you've got a problem

Just like this , the venue may hold club. However obviously to small for an event

This is clear pitting in 3 different locations just for a wrca

Nonoffence the people defending this are thd people involved with wrca and cobra

No doubt if it went ahead , and was over booked it would damage both names due to size so u can see why it's capped as we'd be like sardines

No ones saying thd halls to small to race , it's to small to acomendate the event such as racers and pitting

[_sleigh_]

The venue racers 10th 2wd and 4wd every week no problems thanks so not that small;)
We just decided we wouldnt book an expensive hall that couldnt be refunded just in case we had a large intake and tbh 1 week before an event we only had 20 entries it didnt make sense - I'm sure you'll agree most other clubs wouldnt just spend £300 willy nilly - lol that saying always makes me laugh :woot:

That's understandable, and unfortunately it's a two edged sword. As with the smaller hall there's no risk of being out of pocket, but potentially losing out on ££££'s from the higher number of entries (anything upwards of £100 at least)

[DCM]

The difference is, Phil, even with a large entry, the previous venue lost money, as the council just kept upping the cost. And as we would only ever hold one 'big meeting' a year in there, the rest of the time, it was just a BIG drain.

Just for reference, out of the entries, only 8 of them are club members of COBRA.

[JACKOR33]

That's understandable, and unfortunately it's a two edged sword. As with the smaller hall there's no risk of being out of pocket, but potentially losing out on ££££'s from the higher number of entries (anything upwards of £100 at least)


Yep double edged sword but we've been on both sides.....
We previously had the largest and most expensive indoor venue, which wasnt viable as a one off for this event as they wouldnt open the hours required to allow a full days racing including setup or allow us access the day before for the price ho hum - people moaned about that venue aswell but there we go:woot::woot:

[pearceno1]

No disrespect to anyone

But my view is my view , for a club to hold an event it should be able to hold it

Clearly , size hear is a factor
And as a result many people have lost out

As a club , you'd do everything to bring the best to anyone.

If this cap remains , it will have a negative and adverse opinion on wrca and cobra sorry

Bad experiences stick out over good ones


This will stick and people will remeber that as members we have been failed again

[Pops]

Yep double edged sword but we've been on both sides.....
We previously had the largest and most expensive indoor venue, which wasnt viable as a one off for this event as they wouldnt open the hours required to allow a full days racing including setup or allow us access the day before for the price ho hum - people moaned about that venue aswell but there we go:woot::woot:


That venue only ever once had a buggy track laid out on it! (well a bit of a buggy track) So no one will ever know if it was financially viable.

Lovin the humour from the guys who are BOOKED IN..

[DCM]

Owens BOOKED IN (for now lol).

Dan, Cap remains currently, until we can get into the venue on Sunday and take more measurements, I can't see it changing unless we have a brainwave, I am sure people won't want to pit out on the patio.

Dave, if you are that convinced that you can make £220 a day in entries at The Star Centre, we are more than willing to give you their contact details.

[JACKOR33]

For those that missed the post earlier to summerise:

On Sunday we will be seeing if we can hold anymore people, if we can those who stayed on the reserve list will be notified and entered to the event within due course.Also an update will be posted on here:thumbsup:

Thanks

[big dave]

To be fair to cobra. I know all about costs and hall prices. And running at a loss is silly business.
But that's not the point here. Being able to run a round of the reginal that cant accommodate the members is just stupid.

As Steve c said. This round is being run. Then if it does there should be no scoring points allowed.

Currently if all the micro drivers who should be attending book in as there is a week left to book in. That will be the biggest class.

We need a decision from the wrca. I would rather see cobra run this round but at a proper venue that can hold this event.
On that note. I will offer you swansea and its track equipment. The hall costs £62.50 and bring your timing and tape.
May not be what you want. But you keep the money and everyone can race.