Kifo Paint - where are are you?

[estebandonde]

Anyone got a contact number for Keith Newton?

ordered some stickers on the 19th dec and sent a couple of messages I haven't heard anything back

Cheers

[eyeayen]

Have a read through this thread, it might help you ?

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85687

[tomtom]

Keith always here, fully booked but still here, try to contact him from his site, he always read, not always answer.

Awesome painter BTW, my favorite.

[Kifogrande]

I got 2 emails, i answered both?

[av4625]

I got 2 emails, i answered both?

Check ur junk mail that happened to me at the start wen emailing keith and thought he wasnt replying but he always replys!

[Kifogrande]

I am pants at email tbh, I dont have internet at my studio, bit of an issue something else for my list of things to do. They do have a habit of building up which makes it harder to respond daily.

[estebandonde]

I got 2 emails, i answered both?

Amazing.....no replies until I put something on a public forum

Correct you did answer them both, both at 23.55 last night, good job I put this on here to remind you!

[tellor]

I am pants at email tbh, I dont have internet at my studio, bit of an issue something else for my list of things to do. They do have a habit of building up which makes it harder to respond daily.

Get a phone, they have emails on them these days.

I was going to use you but after reading through this and other comments it sounds like you're always busy

[estebandonde]

All sorted now.

Thanks Keith

[Kifogrande]

I have a phone thanks.

I answered your emails as soon as i read them, which is when I got home, so I dont see how writing on a public forum reminds me in any way, but thanks for the reminder i guess.

Apologies for being busy:eh?:

[RudeTony]

I have NEVER known any business that is good, not be busy :)

[jimdaloo]

Get a phone, they have emails on them these days.

I was going to use you but after reading through this and other comments it sounds like you're always busy
Its a shame you have taken that attitude:thumbdown: I have used Keith several times his a top honest guy and his work is second to none . Still I suppose your loss is our gain as it will mean he'll have more time to do my shells:lol::thumbsup:

[Reevsey]

Its a shame you have taken that attitude:thumbdown: I have used Keith several times his a top honest guy and his work is second to none . Still I suppose your loss is our gain as it will mean he'll have more time to do my shells:lol::thumbsup:

I will second that :thumbsup:

[Rich D]

I have always had a fantastic job done too - recommended :thumbsup:

[showtime]

Its a shame you have taken that attitude:thumbdown: I have used Keith several times his a top honest guy and his work is second to none . Still I suppose your loss is our gain as it will mean he'll have more time to do my shells:lol::thumbsup:

sweet more time to do my stuff too :thumbsup:

the dude is busy working ie painting. he's an artist not a call centre!
personally i never have any issues with either communication or the work Keith does for me & i'm happy to keep using him.

if he doesn't reply instantly its because he's busy
he's busy because he's good :thumbsup:

take your pick !

[Lee Martin]

BOOM! Showtime hits the nail on the head

[styleone]

I have NEVER known any business that is good, not be busy :)

+1 Keith is a beast with the quality of his work,hence the fact that he is in very high demand. Hand creating art is not a production line industry, he does extremely well to manage the demand and still create amazing art! Long live KifoPaint! :)

[PTRU]

Keith is the best and he paints for the best love you big fella.

[av4625]

i thinks its wrong to say the only reason that you got a reply is because u put it on a fourm keith always answers emails, he is one of the best painters, his prices are resonable, it shows he is dedicated still thinking about his job until 23.55, and to tell him to get a new phone is bit rude, and to complain about him being busy :confused: all good painters will be busy if u want somone thats not busy u'll need to get a rubish painter.
so thumbs up to keith :thumbsup: always do a great job and are quite efficent!!!

[David Church]

Note to self "Don't ever slag off Keith" as he has an amazing bunch of friends that will slam you down if you do!!!! Lol :thumbsup:

[ben]

Note to self "Don't ever slag off Keith" as he has an amazing bunch of friends that will slam you down if you do!!!! Lol :thumbsup:


Yeah don't mess with them southerners ;)

[MattV6]

Has anyone heard from Kifo Recently? I paid and sent him a shell but the last time I heard from him was at the beginning of July??

I've sent him 2 or 3 messages on fb asking for an update but ive not had a reply.

Has anyone heard from him? I'm getting really desperate for my shell now, my current one won't be allowed to race due to damage :(

[MattV6]

I've still not heard from Keith? Can anyone point me in the direction of his phone number?

[MattV6]

DON'T EVER USE KIFO PAINT TO SPAY A SHELL. DON'T SEND THE GUY ANY MONEY, HE IS A THIEF AND A LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90 DAYS I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR MINE WITH BEING IGNORED FOR OVER 70 DAYS OF THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DONT SEND HIM ANY MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[leeboy44]

This is his Facebook page mate

[MattV6]

This is his Facebook page mate

Cheers mate thanks for that. I've sent him a request. I'll tag him in some stuff on fb if he excepts.

The amount of threads that have been started about him ignoring people and ripping people off is crazy. I wish I had seen these first. The guy needs banning from paypal.

[leeboy44]

Is this true mate? Saying you have been refunded

[WHITTLER555]

Please confirm whether or not you have now been refunded?

[MattV6]

What a flipping lying masterbator!!

So he's replying to you but not me?????!!!!!!!

No I have not had a refund. He's a flipping lier!!!

I've asked for a refund and he's ignored me!!!! He's ignored my Mrs attempts to message him. Ok I'm uploading the screen shots now. There's no way this prick is getting away with this. I'm flipping fuming now.

[MattV6]

So he's replied to you saying he's closed but he doesn't reply to me. He's got my shell!!!!!! I'm 80 quid down!!!!!

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR. THAT IDIOTS NOT REFUNDED ME ANYTHING!!!

I'm fuming!!!

[gainsy]

Can we sort the language out in this thread, i realised your annoyed & you have good right to be but this is a family forum so tone it down please, cheers

[MattV6]

Sorry point taken I have edited the posts.

He has not refunded me anything. I have had 1 message from him in 3 months. No refund, no shell and now he's saying he is closed?????? Wtf?????

He replies to others and not me???????

I'm paying him a visit. I am near him next week I'll get my money myself.

[gainsy]

Thanks fella :thumbsup:
Hope you get sorted

[Aire valley]

Can't you get a refund from PayPal or did you "gift" the payment...foolishly..?

[MattV6]

I cant upload the screen shots from my phone so I will do it first thing in the morning when I get onto my computer to prI've NO refund has been sent. I will also screen shot every single paypal trasaction I have received from the day I sent him my payment, again also to show how much of a lying waster of a man he is.

[leeboy44]

Is this you??

[MattV6]

Can't you get a refund from PayPal or did you "gift" the payment...foolishly..?

Unfortunately yeah I stupidly sent the payment as a gift and I didn't see any of the posts on here about how much of a con man he was until a few days ago.

He's a liar. He's a thief and he's a con man. Luckly though I'm passing near his place next week so I will call round and get my money one way or another. There is no way he is mugging me off for almost 80 quid!!

He has my brand new shell I sent him, wtf has happened to that???

[MattV6]

Is this you??

When has he sent that??? I've got no money in my paypal account?? That's my account but that £51 is not in my paypal account!?!?

[MattV6]

Is this you??

Leeboy thank you for helping me out. I can't understand why he avoids his customers, it's a complete joke!

I have found his 'refund' although that £51 is not in my paypal account. It's Pending, it's not a straight refund so hasn't showed up in my account as funds. I've not got it yet but it is a start.

I now just need to get back the 25 quid he owes me for the shell I sent him. I'm never going to see that again am I! !

[leeboy44]

No idea

[MattV6]

Fingers crossed that will go through although I don't hold up much hope. He still owes me 25 quid for my shell.

The guys a waste man. A compete liar.

[Peakey]

Leeboy thank you for helping me out. I can't understand why he avoids his customers, it's a complete joke!

I have found his 'refund' although that £51 is not in my paypal account. It's Pending, it's not a straight refund so hasn't showed up in my account as funds. I've not got it yet but it is a start.

I now just need to get back the 25 quid he owes me for the shell I sent him. I'm never going to see that again am I! !

Don't you need to accept the refund?

[leeboy44]

He's just said the shell will be on the way back to you shortly

Fingers crossed

[MattV6]

Don't you need to accept the refund?

I've tried and it doesn't let me, there's no option to except it. I've looked up the 'pending' part and it says it can take 7 days to clear?

[Peakey]

I've tried and it doesn't let me, there's no option to except it. I've looked up the 'pending' part and it says it can take 7 days to clear?

So miss like it's been sent as an e cheque

[xfactor]

When a refund is given it depends if the money was in the paypal account or the payment was taken from a bank card in the paypal account.

If for example you paid by a bank card the money will take up to 7 days and will be returned to the bank account it came from.

If for example you paid by the paypal balance the money will return and show in your paypal balance on screen. This can also take 7 days but normally quicker.

If that makes sense.:thumbsup:

[MattV6]

He's just said the shell will be on the way back to you shortly

Fingers crossed

Thank you Leeboy.

I feel sorry for anyone else who has sent him shells and paid him. I knows there's a few because people have told me they have sent shells and paid for them in the last couple of weeks. He's told you he's closed so are they going to get strung along with lies too?? Going by the amount of threads on here from the past with people asking where he is I guess hes doing the same again now.

[racingdwarf]

paypal refunds can take up to five days I think it is, there was a post some time ago were a chap bought a car,seller changed his mind and sent refund within the hour, but the problem was the buyer was out of pocket for a week and was less than happy as he couldn't even go out and buy another car as paypal held the money!

If this is all true its a shame as kifo was good, but there do seem to be a few threads heading this way about him, if he's only repaying money when his mates get hold of him and say its being plastered all over a forum:thumb down:

[MattV6]

I think it must be coming from his bank, I paid direct from my paypal account with money from that. This refund isn't in my account so it can't be coming from his paypal it must have been like you say his bank or card.

Yes sadly this is all true. This has been going on since the middle of June and yesterday I'd had enough of his lies and broken promises. I was promised my shell on the 11th July!! He has ignored every single message I have sent I'm except 1.

What's makes him even more of a complete joke is that today a mate of mine has asked him for a price on a shell and Kifo has replied to him. So why not reply to me? He said he couldn't do the job but that's not the point. He's ignoring people who have paid a lot of money for a shell to be painted and they get ignored.

I just hope the others that have sent him shells recently get a refund.

[fil9144]

paypal refunds can take up to five days I think it is, there was a post some time ago were a chap bought a car,seller changed his mind and sent refund within the hour, but the problem was the buyer was out of pocket for a week and was less than happy as he couldn't even go out and buy another car as paypal held the money!

If this is all true its a shame as kifo was good, but there do seem to be a few threads heading this way about him, if he's only repaying money when his mates get hold of him and say its being plastered all over a forum:thumb down:

refunds happen straight away if there are funds in the paypal account

if you are crediting the paypal account to refund this does take longer

not to make excuse maybe he just is to busy in his own life painting needs alot of time i use mike parker myself never lets me down but i am never in a rush as hes always busy

[MattV6]

refunds happen straight away if there are funds in the paypal account

if you are crediting the paypal account to refund this does take longer

not to make excuse maybe he just is to busy in his own life painting needs alot of time i use mike parker myself never lets me down but i am never in a rush as hes always busy

Yeah i'm not sure why refunds take so long? Odd?

Something isn't right. After reading post after post on here and other forums i'm surprised he was still going for as long as he has. His work is amazing but his total lack of customer care is beyond a joke. He ignores people. What is so stupid is that i had friends of mine message him, he would reply literally within 5 mins but he ignored me for over 2 months and i was the one who send him over £50??!!!?? He would also only talk to certain people on here, he wouldn't talk to me??

There's no excuse for it tbh. I wasn't going to sit back and just let him fob me off. If he was too busy to take on extra work he should of said no. I just hope the other people who have recently sent him shells and money get a refund because he is apparently closed now although he's still been taking shells and money off people??

[Chris Larner]

When he did this last time he disappeared for a few years and then started up again. Probably hoping that people had forgotten or left the hobby.

[mattr]

There's a couple of guys i know who do the same.
One is a wheel builder, by all accounts one of the top guys in the industry. Can't run a business to save his life. Last time his business folded (third or fourth time) it appeared that he had made about 75 grand in clear profit in the previous 12 months. And had about 150k worth of orders on his waiting list. Still folded. He now works for someone else. Sits in a nice quiet corner of the workshop with a stack of parts and a weekly list of wheels to be built. Don't think he even has a phone near him.

The other guy used to build engines. Really really good engines. Used to work for varoius BTCC teams in the 90s and does some of the single model series. Used to forget stuff, like ordering bits, or even making the engine. Last time he went under he had about 20-25 half built engines stacked in a lock up. All "waiting" parts, most that he'd forgotten to order, or pay for. He'd have been fine if they had 40 hour days. Or someone else did his ordering or work scheduling. Which is what his wife does now. Nags him endlessly. Funnily enough, every time he folded he'd find a job in about 48 hours. Usually paying pretty much top money for the role.

I reckon this chaps the same.

[adey]

Let's face it. This has ended Kifopaints future credibility now. The guy should be a man and come on her and say sorry, pay people what he owes and then it's done. Oh and don't piss off Mattv6. He won't let it go lol.

[Ross]

Oh and don't piss off Mattv6. He won't let it go lol.

He must of doubled his post count :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Col]

The guy should be a man and come on her and say sorry


That ain't gonna happen - he's not been here for over a year...

[bodgit]

Maybe there should be a section called "Name and shame" in the trade section to warn buyers of dodgy sellers.

[Peakey]

Maybe there should be a section called "Name and shame" in the trade section to warn buyers of dodgy sellers.

That is what the feedback section is for :confused::confused:

[racingdwarf]

always thought feedback section was for oople deals,Need to be careful with a general section could turn into mud slinging /bitching section:thumbdown:

[Peakey]

always thought feedback section was for oople deals,Need to be careful with a general section could turn into mud slinging /bitching section:thumbdown:

Well this is a deal that's gone south so it is perfect for the feedback section and if people want to deal with someone that's in here they can check there feedback first.

[bodgit]

That is what the feedback section is for :confused::confused:

Yes but old "bad" feedback gets buried by new feedback. if somebody does not have a feedback link in their profile how may people actually search for it before buying.
EBay's feedback display is easy to use. I always check feedback before I buy on ebay.

Maybe admin could link everyone's feedback in their profile.
just a thought.

[estebandonde]

When I started this post in 2012, I just got slatted by the big name guys, funny but I've not seen their posts on here defending him now.
It seems if you are a big name or his mate he'll do your shell but anyone else can go to the back of the queue

Well you can't say I didn't warn you..

Try mick butler of RC bodies, great price, great comms and a nice time for a turnaround.

[Peakey]

Yes but old "bad" feedback gets buried by new feedback. if somebody does not have a feedback link in their profile how may people actually search for it before buying.
EBay's feedback display is easy to use. I always check feedback before I buy on ebay.

Maybe admin could link everyone's feedback in their profile.
just a thought.

That's why there's a poll feture in the feedback thread so you can see strait away how many they've had.
There is also a search feature on each page so you can go into the feedback section and search there username. It's not that hard and a lot less time consuming than admin (who are volunteers) going through every user matching up a feedback thread.

[Hog]

Seeing as there's a dedicated section for electronics, perhaps we could have one for bodyshells for professionals (and amateurs) to show their creations to allow us without the skills to choose who we'd like to do our next shell?

[brian s]

there already is :- http://www.oople.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=9

[daz75]

Seeing as there's a dedicated section for electronics, perhaps we could have one for bodyshells for professionals (and amateurs) to show their creations to allow us without the skills to choose who we'd like to do our next shell?

:lol: use this place much :confused:

[Hog]

:lol: use this place much :confused:

Yes thanks - my post count would confirm that.

It's not entirely obvious though where it is - perhaps something like the model shop section but for bodyshells, rather than it being lumped in with photography and painting techniques.

[NeilRalph77]

I have to agree, rather than comments and thanks and ifs and buts, a dedicated gallery of work for painters with location and contact details, lead times, pricing guide and if their even still painting. Keeping the chatter separate maybe have it so only the painter themselves can post on their page.

[Mike Parker]

Having read this post, plenty of points of view has been put across..

I've painted shells on and off for well over 20+ years, I have always asked for payment for any painting work carried out AFTER the work has been completed, and confirmation pictures sent. Only time when I charge customers for paintwork is done only if specifically asked for this to be done by the customer

I found this to work out quite well, and so have the guys I have painted for (must admit sometimes the wait can be a bit long! but all good things come to those who wait :))