20th Jan 2012

[BleepyEvans]

Got a bit frustrated tonight, only got one semi-clean heat in and struggled with persistent traffic all night. Ended up 'retiring' from a quali and the final because I was getting too annoyed. I know its just a fun night and I shouldnt be getting frustrated, this just wasnt my idea of fun. It seemed to be quite bad tonight for some reason, and a number of drivers commented about it.

Someone can only ghost you for so many laps. If it’s obvious that they are quicker than you, don’t come back at them when they over take you. I lost count of the times where I got the inside line around a corner, had clearly got ahead, and then only to be tboned on the next corner by people who try too hard to stay ahead.
After Pete had told everyone to let people by if they are quick etc it still wasn’t any better.

Firstly if it’s just a qualifier, race your own race, at your own pace and against the clock, everyone else around you are trying to do exactly the same thing and by racing against them you ruin both your times.
In a final it’s obviously different but you should know if someone is lapping you simply if they have got past you previously or if they are on your tail for most of the race.

When racing Nitro or Electric I always get told by Adrian (my pit man :P) not to be so soft at letting people through, but there’s nothing worse than having the guilt of ruining someone else’s race, most of the time I just keep out the way and if someone wants to go past then I will most likely let them, that way I don’t lose any time crashing into them waiting to be marshalled and I can keep in the rhythm and flow of things. Once you get frustrated there’s no calming down and then your racing reflects your feelings.

Sorry if I’m being a bit over the top, but when committee members spend time and effort on Driver Etiquette notes, Marshalling Tips and just putting on the event and they aren’t followed, it’s a bit crazy. After all, everyone’s here to have some fun, and crashing into people isn’t what I see a fun tbu.

I didn’t really have any issues for marshalling throughout the night except in the final, it seemed we had a lack of and we shouldn’t really require volunteers. Then again, if you dont crash then you wont need marshalls right :P ?

Anyway thank you to all the committee for putting on yet another extremely popular race night.
Sorry I have to keep shooting off, but I hadn’t had any dinner and it takes a while to get home to an angry mother and brother who don’t like being woke up at midnight when he has rugby matches on a Saturday morning.

[tisher]

I totally agree with this :) I raced 2wd for the first time properly last night so I asked pete to not put me in the top 2wd heat mainly because it was the first time out with the car and i was only running a 10.5 motor. But also I knew I would slow people down In the top heat. This meant I was marshalling the top 2wds I must say poor ollie just got butchered all night and Andy had his fair share as well but they both managed to get a half decent position in the final. To me that shows that we just dont have enough high abilty racers to split the 2 and 4s up. its a nice idea but for me it does not work in the time we have. This must be the case as I ended up 5th in the A and 4th at the end of the final.there also was a big issue with marshalls for the 2wd A final as it seemed like everyone had gone home. This really is not fair pete tried his best to get us a 3 heats and a final last night it would have been nice if the people in the b final would have stayed. Come on guys if people are not going to do there bit pete will end up running less time so we finish earlier:(

[funkygrump81]

Easiest way too sort the lack of marshall's is if people dont marshall then they dont race harsh i know but its all part of racing if people dnt stay and marshall dnt let them race the next meeting will make people think yes no wat do others think

[tisher]

to be honest wayne I think if people can not be bothered to hang around after the final to Marshall because its getting late then the club will just have to reduce the amount of racing time down so we are finishing earlier and nobody will wont that to happen... again it comes back in a way to abiltys because the better abilty drivers tend to be the more experinced racer so you have more chance of them knowing how it effects the the next race not marshalling. That was proved last night as everyone from the 2wd A final came out to marshall the 4wd A final. In my opinon the racing is better run on abilty as even in the top 2wd heat last night the top placed driver lapped the bottom two 5 times:woot:

[BleepyEvans]

To me that shows that we just dont have enough high abilty racers to split the 2 and 4s up.

It's a tough one because 4wds are much more aggressive into the corners than 2wds. I think it was one of the main reasons we split them up in the first place.

There were some good drivers yesterday, I just think they may not have as much experience than other people do. I thinks it's something that has to brought up at the Agm to properly voice peoples thoughts.

[BleepyEvans]

Easiest way too sort the lack of marshall's is if people dont marshall then they dont race harsh i know but its all part of racing if people dnt stay and marshall dnt let them race the next meeting will make people think yes no wat do others think

I think the popularity of the club is great but it's obvious we are havin issues with the ever growing numbers. There was talk of turning people away if the numbers got over a limit but when people have to travel to the location and then to be told they can't race is a bit harsh. So by not letting people race on race night if they haven't marshalled the week before is a bit iffy on the current system.
Maybe we could work on a pre bookin system only, that way we can save time at the start of the night and get more racing in. That way, if we do limit the drivers, we can close booking in online before people drive all the way to be rejected.
Or if that isn't an option then maybe we should set a fixed last bookin time so we can get racing underway sooner.

[tisher]

It's a tough one because 4wds are much more aggressive into the corners than 2wds. I think it was one of the main reasons we split them up in the first place.

There were some good drivers yesterday, I just think they may not have as much experience than other people do. I thinks it's something that has to brought up at the Agm to properly voice peoples thoughts.



yea 4wds can be more aggressive but that should not effect a heat if you or I were running a 4wd which we both have alot of times and you come up behind a 2wd you dont drive through them you go round and its them same the other way round so to be fair its down to the fact we have had a few bad etiquette drivers in the mixed top heat but the way it is at the moment you may as well forget about running 4wd because the ability mix is just madness and last night the top 2wd had to many low ability drivers in it thats why there was alot crashes in that to the meeting deffo runs smoother run on abilty

[funkygrump81]

This is guna be a tough one to sort out think it will be best waitin for the agm

[singin pete]

Last night we had a number of problems which ended up giving us a poor nights racing.

The first of the night was missing the fact we had 6 heats not 7 like the last few weeks. With 7 heats we can only run 2 heats and a final. but with 6 or less we have 3 heats and a final. If I have given you 3X4 mins heats and a 4 min final we could have saved 24 mins, this would have made the last race at 10.25. For this mistake I apologise as it really spoilt the night.

The marshalling was at a good standard when the drivers got out, because of the short time we have to have between races it doesn't give you enough time to complete your last lap, pick your car up, take it back to your pit and put the cells on charge, and then get out to marshall. When I get back after my weekend away we will try marshalling the 2nd race after your race.


We will also go back to putting both classes together again until the AGM.

The AGM will be held on the 29th Feb which is a Wednesday at a pub local to the club. If you what to change the way the club is run or if you have any ideas that you think can help please let me know and I will put it on the agenda. PM only please don't post it on here.

We are having a weekend away next week with Becky and Pete. Eric is also away for a few weeks. Shaun and Jamie will be running the night next week so please be easy on them.

See you in a few weeks.

Peter

[b4phil]

Pete you of all people shouldnt be apologising you and the team do a great job week after week!! I understand that people are getting agitated with certain issues within the club but at the end of the day it is for fun. I myself am not an A finalist ( not in this life anyway) and last night was racing in the 4 wheel drive heat against Andy and much to my amusement spent most of my races counting how many times he lapped me!! But I personally thought the 4wd races were ok driving wise it's just a case of keep your eyes peeled and move out of the way. I understand people's frustration but personally don't know the cure. See what happens at the AGM until then keep your chin up.

[corsa148]

Personally what happened to the word fun Ye every body gets angry but if I know someone is leading I will always aim to move but it's that fast paced colliding does happen I come Friday to have fun an catch up with friends yes I do race to win but having fun to

[tisher]

Pete there is no need for any apologies on your side you guys did a great job last night and always do I think its just a shame people do a runner straight after the finals and I also don't think its that hard for people to get out to Marshall either after a race I manage it every time and I am sorting two cars out all the time

[BleepyEvans]

The marshalling 2 races after yours could be a good idea but im not sure if people might forget to come out.
It was only a fun night and I told myself constantly not to get annoyed but its till a race and the aim is to do well.

I wont beable to make the AGM because of Uni.

Does the hall open at 6 o'clock now? If we make an announcement next meeting that we are opening earlier then maybe we can get everyone booked in and track setup earlier.

[corsa148]

The marshalling 2 races after yours could be a good idea but im not sure if people might forget to come out.
It was only a fun night and I told myself constantly not to get annoyed but its till a race and the aim is to do well.

I wont beable to make the AGM because of Uni.

Does the hall open at 6 o'clock now? If we make an announcement next meeting that we are opening earlier then maybe we can get everyone booked in and track setup earlier.
Yethink it does now but some people travel from far an can't get there till seven or after I think

[Jon D]

Wow martin uv got a lot t say haha all valid tho rite first things first pete u n the team do more than most ppl realise every week uv no nd t apologise mate n ye ppl leavin early as soon as they finish is a problem n it's a problem every week mayb roll out an insentive to everybody who stays till the doors shut t get muni off?? Iv no problem stayin t the end n helpin Marshall races n packin up wit the team I do it on the regular n I don't want owt for it or t b noticed tha appreciation is enuff don't ask I must b a team player that's all I can say? On a personal note tho wen uv cum off the trak WAIT to b MARSHALED otherwise ul jus drive into the trak n end sumpoor persons nite ie ME !!!! Realy Not cool man,Marshals will put u bk on trak wen it's safe (usually)

[RudolfXC]

Wow martin uv got a lot t say haha all valid tho rite first things first pete u n the team do more than most ppl realise every week uv no nd t apologise mate n ye ppl leavin early as soon as they finish is a problem n it's a problem every week mayb roll out an insentive to everybody who stays till the doors shut t get muni off?? Iv no problem stayin t the end n helpin Marshall races n packin up wit the team I do it on the regular n I don't want owt for it or t b noticed tha appreciation is enuff don't ask I must b a team player that's all I can say? On a personal note tho wen uv cum off the trak WAIT to b MARSHALED otherwise ul jus drive into the trak n end sumpoor persons nite ie ME !!!! Realy Not cool man,Marshals will put u bk on trak wen it's safe (usually)


Can we have that in English?

[coleman758]

2WD & 4WD need to be together.

Like Martin says there is not enough gap between ability's.
Whats the point of having one 4WD heat in which the lead car laps the back marker 9 times in 16 laps? Its just not fun :thumbdown:

You can only split 2WD & 4WD if it can be made so there is a lap or so difference per heat.

On a separate note, I run race control with Roger at Bury most weeks so i know the system. So if you guys need any help with it next week let me know.

[tisher]

Can we have that in English?


I could understand it as clear as day:thumbsup:

[TommyG]

So have I just forked out a shed load of money on a 4WD to get more track time for nothing?

[singin pete]

Tommy the members will put proposals forward at the AGM how they want the club running. If its decided to run 2+4WD together and any other changes the members want, the committee will look at at these proposals and as long as it keeps the clubs ethos then its in until the members want to change it or it becomes unworkable.

This is why if you have something to say get down to the AGM, I cant think of a better night than talking r/c and having a few drinks.

Peter

[TommyG]

Thanks for the reply Pete I appreciated it. I'm not in the UK now until the 28th of Jan so if the AGM is after then I'll definitely pop down, if not just for a drink and some rc banter :thumbsup:

Just a thought out of the blue, but is it possible that the club could run twice a week splitting the different classes between days? If the numbers continue to increase that is.

[Wupding]

Thanks for the reply Pete I appreciated it. I'm not in the UK now until the 28th of Jan so if the AGM is after then I'll definitely pop down, if not just for a drink and some rc banter :thumbsup:

Just a thought out of the blue, but is it possible that the club could run twice a week splitting the different classes between days? If the numbers continue to increase that is.

Good idea mate..... But it is asking a lot of the people that run it..... There is no easy solution..... I hate to say but if the school is not willing to extend the time limit... I think something has to give... And it will be the racers

[The Bod]

Just a thought out of the blue, but is it possible that the club could run twice a week splitting the different classes between days? If the numbers continue to increase that is.


I think that splitting the club into 2 nights is such a bad idea. One of the main attractions of the club, apart from how well it is organised, is because it is on a Friday night. Weekday nights (Mon - Thurs) for parents are often busy with being dad's taxi to cubs, brownies, swimming etc. Fridays are usually the one night a week when we are allowed out to play (or every fortnight in my case :-( ). What else would we be doing, spending a load of cash down the pub/falling asleep on settee. Lets keep it to a Friday night and try to resolve the other issues. :)

[corsa148]

Getting back to the numbers attending yes there are a lot at the moment but as soon as the out door tracks are open it will be a lot quiter so is it not wise to persevere for the moment just a thought:confused::confused:

[singin pete]

Friday night is the only night the hall is avaliable, running on any other night at any location would not be the same. Friday night is special for all the reasons already mentioned.

Sorry Tommy the AGM is for members only but if you want to PM me with your thoughts (about the club)I will make sure they are included.

Peter

[Jon D]

Can we have that in English?

It's in english ?????? Nice1 tish