Nooooooo ANOTHER UGLY f1

[bodgit]

Why from the land of the worlds leading fashion stylists did they release this lego car
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58272000/jpg/_58272990_ferrari.jpg
when McClaren can do this
http://www.mclaren.com/_includes/images/slir/w640-h360//_includes/uploads/4583.jpg (http://www.mclaren.com/_includes/uploads/4583.jpg)

[blue_pinky]

That Ferrari is truely ugly! What are they thinking?!?! That step in the front looks aweful...unless they are thinking downforce...but I don't know enough about that subject to know if that shape is good or bad?!?!

I've not kept up with the rule changes for next year so far...but sad to see the stupid front wings haven't been changed! They seriously need to reduce the widths of them to help the drivers out...it's no wonder they clash so often with that much bodywork on the corners that they can't see to judge! They are just dangerous IMO.

Still yet to figure out if there is a cheap way to watch it this year too....sooooo sad to see sky f@#king things right up this year...bad times :(

[Chrislong]

:lol:
Damn the 2012 cars are ugly! Can't wait to see which other manufacturers choose this route of madness. They ought to dock the team some points for making HD TV viewing a dissadvantage for viewers. :lol:

[hansie]

Hello all,

The Ferrari and the caterham aren't lookers thats for sure.....
The Force India has gone down the same route.........
But hey, if it's fast..................

Greetings

Hans

[bodgit]

Still yet to figure out if there is a cheap way to watch it this year too....sooooo sad to see sky f@#king things right up this year...bad times :(

I dont and wont have sky either. I use this site to watch live football free.
http://www.livescorehunter.com/
I,ve never tried the motor sports section before but will be doing so this season

[littlened]

This video give an idea of why teams are doing this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16864721

[jim76]

or wiziwig.tv

[terry.sc]

Suddenly the Caterham looks pretty. At least we know who's to blame, the FIA wanted to bring the chassis front down to match the nose but the teams wouldn't allow it.

Well we just have to put up with this for a year, in 2014 the front of the nose has to be even lower so we should see more cars looking like the Mclaren.

[terry.sc]

Still yet to figure out if there is a cheap way to watch it this year too....sooooo sad to see sky f@#king things right up this year...bad times :(The cheap way is to watch all the races for free on the BBC, even if they are just highlights and Sky have run off with all the decent people leaving the BBC with Jake, Eddie and David - serves the BBC right. Messes up trying to watch with live timing alongside though. I will be trying to watch live using online streams, the same way I watch alms, indycars and nascar now.

[i4n]

If you already have sky TV but not the sport channels (like me), if you go for their HD pack you'll get the F1 channel.

May help some people out as the HD is cheaper then the sprorts.

[Chris56]

I blame Team Xtreme and their Vega Shell, unfortunately the F1 cars don't have a suitable front shock tower to hide that ugly bump!

[blue_pinky]

This video give an idea of why teams are doing this.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16864721

That's a great video...look forward to more of that kind of insight this year...good work BBC :thumbsup:

I too am of the mind to ignore the sky option as I have no other interest in using Sky...but in the name of research I have just looked, and I might be wrong but it looks like you get Sky TV without any of their channel packages except the HD pack, which should then include the F1 channel for £10.25 per month with a free +HD box?!?

It's still £10 per month, but it's not as expensive I thought it might be if you leave out all the options they try to sell you normally.

That is of course unless I've got it wrong and you need the basic entertainment package...at £20 per month...to receive the free to air channels?!?!?

[littlened]

That's a great video...look forward to more of that kind of insight this year...good work BBC :thumbsup:

I too am of the mind to ignore the sky option as I have no other interest in using Sky...but in the name of research I have just looked, and I might be wrong but it looks like you get Sky TV without any of their channel packages except the HD pack, which should then include the F1 channel for £10.25 per month with a free +HD box?!?

It's still £10 per month, but it's not as expensive I thought it might be if you leave out all the options they try to sell you normally.

We've got bog standard sky, if we upgrade to HD (£10 a month), you get the F1 channel included.

F1 channel is free if you have sports or HD packages.

£10 a month if you dont

[blue_pinky]

Sorry...a little off topic now I know, but that's Interesting...and what does bog standard sky cost you?

[littlened]

Sorry...a little off topic now I know, but that's Interesting...and what does bog standard sky cost you?

I 'think' it's about £25 quid a month (ish)

EDIT: There's a £20 package which doesn't include documentaries etc

http://www.sky.com/quickbuy/build

[blue_pinky]

Booo...that's what I was worried about...never mind...back on topic now...:)

[bodgit]

Looking at the force India you have to wonder what they have done to keep the crumple zone in the front with such a thin nose, there a hell of a loss of material there.
http://www.rushlane.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Force_India_2012_MJM05-600x318.jpg

[justleanitupabit]

Still yet to figure out if there is a cheap way to watch it this year too....sooooo sad to see sky f@#king things right up this year...bad times :(

BBC still have 10 races live (the good ones) and extended highlights for the others (like the valencia snorefest for example).

So the cheap way is to watch them for free.

It really isn't difficult to work out.

[Gonky]

BBC still have 10 races live (the good ones) and extended highlights for the others (like the valencia snorefest for example).

I don't think you could have been more wrong there if you tried!

They're not showing the first TWO races of the season live, and the opening weekend is what we wait nearly 4 months for, and out of the 10 races they have, it's only really Monaco, Silverstone and Spa that i would consider the 'good ones'.

Also, they're showing the 'snorefest' LIVE as per their web page... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/race-calendar/ to further show they know how to pick a decent race to broadcast!

I'm gonna watch this season on Sky, and before people moan about the additional cost, personally, i think the cost is value for many considering i don't have to listen to the blabbering idiot that is Eddie Jordan! :lol:

[pieterke]

please someone take the ferrari badge of that thing it is not worth it
that's all I have to say about it :(

[justleanitupabit]

I don't think you could have been more wrong there if you tried!

They're not showing the first TWO races of the season live, and the opening weekend is what we wait nearly 4 months for, and out of the 10 races they have, it's only really Monaco, Silverstone and Spa that i would consider the 'good ones'.

Also, they're showing the 'snorefest' LIVE as per their web page... http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/race-calendar/ to further show they know how to pick a decent race to broadcast!

I'm gonna watch this season on Sky, and before people moan about the additional cost, personally, i think the cost is value for many considering i don't have to listen to the blabbering idiot that is Eddie Jordan! :lol:

But the point remains that you don't have to pay anything to watch any of the races and waiting a couple of hours to watch the "non live" ones isn't really a big deal is it?

[KennyClark]

I blame Team Xtreme and their Vega Shell, unfortunately the F1 cars don't have a suitable front shock tower to hide that ugly bump!

The same thing crossed my mind!

[neiloliver]

This roof tile now has another use....

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6812655049_827eaa44c4_s.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/neil_richard_oliver/6812655049/)
2121354144 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/neil_richard_oliver/6812655049/) by Neil Richard Oliver (http://www.flickr.com/people/neil_richard_oliver/), on Flickr

[Tomk26B4]

Liking the Force India car :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[lsdevey]

I blame Team Xtreme and their Vega Shell, unfortunately the F1 cars don't have a suitable front shock tower to hide that ugly bump!
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[telboy]

HOLY SH1T3!!!!

Who the hell is designing these cars!?
Are they blind?!

How can Mclaren see a sensible (and what I would consider a more aerodynamic) solution to it and the rest not?
Who cares if the nose reg's mean it has to be lower! Just sweep the rest of the design down smoothly. Don't create an abomination of a Fugly piece of crap!

Those designers want sacking!
Wond er what the conversation in the boardroom was after the designer had left! :lol:

[Origineelreclamebord]

Hello all,

The Ferrari and the caterham aren't lookers thats for sure.....
The Force India has gone down the same route.........
But hey, if it's fast..................

Greetings

Hans

They are not fast enough to make the images so blurry that you can't see how ugly they are... :( And seriously, I thought the Lotus was bad, but this is one of the worst F1s I've ever seen! I only thing I quite like is the intake above the head rest.

[Nas]

Its a new type of design. For better cornering and faster speeds. Generally the 2012 cars have better aerodynamics.

Thanks.

[telboy]

Its a new type of design. For better cornering and faster speeds. Generally the 2012 cars have better aerodynamics.

Thanks.

What is? the bloody camera?

I know the reg's have to be followed and that the FIA have issued a new reg saying that after a certain point near the front wheel centre line, the body has to drop something like 10cm to avoid the nosecone petruding into the drivers head area in the event of a side impact.
But my god! there only seems to Mclaren that seem to have thought of how to do it properly.

Its as if the rest of the teams had their cars already made and then the FIA brought the reg' in, forcing them to just come up with this cock of an idea just to make it pass the regulation.

[telboy]

Here is why they're so ugly....

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/0/929.html

and they plan to make it lower still next year. Hopefully they'll know by then how to do them properly.

I have a sneaky suspicion that we will see some re-designed cars mid year in 2012. :D

[SlowOne]

It was the BBC who went to Sky and frogmarched them into Bernie with the offer of the deal we have now. The BBC did it because the alternative was that there was no F1 on the BBC and the BBC terminated their contract early. This situation has very little to do with 'theft' of the rights by Sky, and everything to do with the current situation where the Governement are refusing to increase the licence fee.

We, who pay, have had no say whatever in the price of the licence fee, and whether or not we want our F1 and other sports paid for from it. For example, if you consider that it is a good use of the licence fee to make programmes like Flog It and all all the reality stuff, and then cut the sports covered to almost zero (or the opposite) you have no say - the Government have just dictated that this is what the BBC do.

I have never paid a single penny to Murdoch since he took over the Sun in 1969. We knew then he was a nasty piece of work, and nothing that has happened since has done anything to change that. Why people pay money to a company that breaks the Law, invades people's privacy and prints lies about people based solely on hacking their 'phones and e-mails is beyond me.

So when discussing this change, please remember that the BBC did it all, and Sky did nothing despite their current advertising that infers they have been the clever ones.

Rant over... All those cars with the step-down noses are ugly! The McLaren looks nice, but Gary Anderson seems to infer that it will lose performance if it doesn't have one of these carbuncles on it's front end. We'll see...

[mark christopher]

soon be cab forward designs :thumbsup:

[russmini]

soon be cab forward designs :thumbsup:


Ooo Yeh !!!!!!!!

:thumbsup:


And Rear Engine for wet races..... :p

[bodgit]

Just look at Massa and Alonso,s faces. They're probably thinking the days when they stroll into a bar full of babes and brag I drive a Ferarri F1 are over.
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/58289000/jpg/_58289330_abferraridrievrsreuters624.jpg

[bodgit]

LOTUS reveals Kimi's new car great video to go with it
http://www.lotusf1team.com/-Launch,372-.html

[SlowOne]

Thanks for the link, interesting stuff. Kimi looks like a bemused eight-year old who's wandered into the wrong place and doesn't really understand what's going on!! Guess he'll look like an F1 driver once he hits the track,though.

[bodgit]

Red Bull's new effort.
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/02/06/227004.jpg

[F1END]

HOLY SH1T3!!!!

Who the hell is designing these cars!?
Are they blind?!

How can Mclaren see a sensible (and what I would consider a more aerodynamic) solution to it and the rest not?
Who cares if the nose reg's mean it has to be lower! Just sweep the rest of the design down smoothly. Don't create an abomination of a Fugly piece of crap!

Those designers want sacking!
Wond er what the conversation in the boardroom was after the designer had left! :lol:

I'm gonna reserve judgement till after I see how fast each one is... Yes, the McLaren looks good, but will it be as fast?

If there's one thing I've learnt about formula 1, it's this: There's about 90% chance Adrian Newey's car will be the fastest round the track!

[matthew]

I really dont mind that look and plus as the year goes by we will all grow to like them after all their all a work of art :blush:

[littlened]

Red Bull's new effort.
http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2012/02/06/227004.jpg
There's a lot of questions going around about that little vent type thing within the step on the nose of the RB8

[TryHard]

For those that care...The whole reason for the bumps is the regs for the year. (Alternatively, watch the BBC video... good old Gary!)

Quite simply it boils down to aero, and the development direction (started by RedBull back in '09 when the wide front wings and neutral central section came in) of trying to have the nose as high as possible, so as to ram as much air under the car to make downforce via the underfloor.

Whats happened this year (as already mentioned), is that the FIA spec'd that the nose heights had to drop to help avoid the noses penetrating the cockpits in a side impact (the tips were higher than the cockpit sides!). What didn't happen though was alteration to the reg's to force teams to drop the front chassis bulkheads (the bit where the nose mounts) to suit...

With the need to drive as much air underneath as possible, the natural way would be to make the chassis as thin as possible in this area, however, the reg's state that the bulkheads have to meet certain dimensional requirements in terms of cross section (and you can't have a driver with 2D legs!), which basically places a limit on how high they can make the underside of the chassis.

So the way round that is to raise the chassis up as much as possible... which when you combine with the new nose rule, leaves the step!

McLaren seem to have gone a different way, but then they are also the only team employing a snow-plow under the nose to help drive the airflow, with the hope to also gain a from having a lower CoG and better suspension geometry on the front. Time will tell if thats a good route, but last years car was similar, so no reason not to think it won't work.

Everyone else with a clean nose underside seems to have gone as high and flat as they can, and raise the chassis as much as possible, leaving the pronounced step. Most of the nose's are pretty flat and thin, although there is more shaping underneath than appears, and bare in mind they have to pass the FIA crash tests before hitting the track for testing this year.

I just hope they wise up and lower the front bulkhead a bit next year... please!

Regards
Ed

[bodgit]

The link shows the cars released fo far. While they all seem to have the hump except mcclaren thefront wings designs are a thing of beauty on some cars. Cant help thinking that the lower front designed not to take a drivers head off in a side collision, on some cars its so thin it looks like it would slice into the cockpit like a hot knife through butter.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16872627

[TryHard]

The way the nose's composite structures are designed, they would crumple up well before any form of penetration...

Do agree on the front wing details though, the RB8's (unsurprisingly, it's Newey!) is the one that catches the eye, with the raised funnels in the centre either side of the neutral section...

[Chris56]

Although I don't like the step-nose design, I think the Lotus looks less offensive than the others, and that colour scheme is probably my favourite of all time (if only "John Player Specials" were allowed to advertise on F1 cars again!)

[Nightshade]

The stepped noses immediately make me think of Perry....

http://images.wikia.com/phineasandferb/images/1/12/Perry_in_the_backyard.jpg

[bodgit]

This look a bit different. Is that an air intake at the front of the nose
http://europeanmotornews.com/wp-content/gallery/f1_1/461815516-4538102122012.jpg
http://europeanmotornews.com/wp-content/gallery/f1_1/443579719-195672122012.jpg

[i4n]

Yep.

Teams have run them on and off for a few years to cool the driver down in the hot races (think that is what Brudel said last year). It adds a bit of drag so they don't ways run with it.