2012 Irish National Championship chat

[Legacy555]

The dates are now posted in the Official thread. Well done to the committee for organising what will be the biggest championship for many years.

Many long discusions have taken place over the last 2 months whilst formatting the series. Here are some of the key developments for 2012;


To ensure the largest possible entry at the events, to facilitate drivers who can only race one day a week, to ensure that an adequate amount of marshals are available at each event, to keep the amount of weekends used up by the championship to a minimum, and to minimise date conflicts with other high profile events/championships and after a lengthy consultation with the committees from some of the clubs participating - it was proposed and unanamously passed that 2wd and 4wd should take place on the same day. The timing of the events will be sympathetic to those running two classes with a small break both between 2wd and 4wd races and the end of each round.
To re-introduce Northern Ireland into the series and to promote the sport in the region, NIMCC (Ballymena) will host Round 2. The track (Astroturf) has recently gone through alot of maintenance and is a superb facility. It was also decided to introduce NNN (Navan) as a venue - Navan have also conducted alot of work on their track. We hope more tracks both North and South will be encompassed for the 2013 season.
Points scoring for 2012 will be based on your final results only. No points will be awarded for qualifying.
The championship will endeavour to offer "driver net" at each event so that drivers can monitor the races on their wifi device during the race day.
All drivers intending on competing at any round of the championship must be a member of the RCCAOI and have paid both their membership fee (10 euro) and class fee (5 euro) by March 16th 2012. This is to ensure that the organisers can keep all racers whom intend on competing informed about championship news.
Anyone wishing to compete at RCCAOI events whom is not a paid up member by March 16th, will be permitted to enter the "Open" Class only. The Open class will purely be a "run on the day" - no results will be published online, and no awards given. Any car with any motor is permitted.

[tony6187]

just wondering what is the preferred method of payment of membership(cheque, cash,etc)if sent by post?or is derek taking payment trackside?

[dmcracing]

just wondering what is the preferred method of payment of membership(cheque, cash,etc)if sent by post?or is derek taking payment trackside?


Hi Tony,The idea is to have them sent to the address on the form,payment(cheque)but I know this will not be possible for everyone,so I will take them trackside and pass them on to Carel,as he is only 10 mins from me.

[Mugenextreme]

Just to say for anyone who sends a cheque to Carel , make the cheque payable to Rccaoi.

[tony6187]

Cheers for the reply Derek.don't have a cheque book so that would be handy

[Legacy555]

Only a day to go till entries close - 6pm 16/3/2012

Things are looking really good for the championship this year. Breakdown is looking like this so far

2wd Mod: 12
2wd Club: 11
4wd Mod: 8
4wd Club: 3

Hopefully as many drivers as possible will attempt to particiapate in all 4 rounds of the series.

[Modeltune]

Not sure I understood properly. Do we also have to enter the individual rounds by 16th? Thought it was just necessary to register for 16th March?

[ian h]

Not sure I understood properly. Do we also have to enter the individual rounds by 16th? Thought it was just necessary to register for 16th March?

Hi Andrew, looking at wills original post point 5 only memberships need to be done by the 16th. At least that is what I have done anyway.

[h0m3sy]

Yes Andrew, just your membership has to be in by tomorrow 6pm. You can then pick and choose which rounds you want to go to. You can still go to any round you wish even if you don't pay your membership but you will not score points. You wil only be able to enter the 'open' class.:thumbsup:

[dmcracing]

Not sure I understood properly. Do we also have to enter the individual rounds by 16th? Thought it was just necessary to register for 16th March?

Hi Andrew,Your membership and class reg only had to be in for the 16th,which you have done.What rounds you now contest is up to you.

[Legacy555]

Close on 30 drivers!! Brilliant.
Very happy with that!

[Rayzerp]

So for somebody new to this, what is format for Sunday? If I heard right it will be 4 rounds of qualifying and 3 finals.....will there be practice before first qual round and if so is it open or in heats?

[Mugenextreme]

3 rounds of heats and 3 finals. Best 2 finals to count towards your final result.

Not sure about format for practice.

[Legacy555]

3 rounds of heats and 3 finals. Best 2 finals to count towards your final result.

Not sure about format for practice.

Wrong answer, lose 5 points!! :-)

4 rounds of qualifyin, round by round, best two to count.
3 finals, best two to count.

Booking in closes at 10.30, round 1 at 11am. Last final at about 6.30pm

[av4625]

does anybody know if my RCCAOI form arrived because i dont want to travel to naul and not be able to race?

[Legacy555]

does anybody know if my RCCAOI form arrived because i dont want to travel to naul and not be able to race?

We wont know whos entries arrived on Friday till tomorrow evening. Will post the names then. When did u send ur entry?

[av4625]

i posted it on tuesday the 13th

thanks for reply

[Legacy555]

From official thread;

This is championship racing! - the meeting schedule will not be halted for any individual competitor.
Not being at your marshalling position before the 30 second race start warning will instantly result in a penalty.
The judges of fact, race director and race controllers will be announced at the drivers briefing.
Drivers not on the rostrum and/or without a car on the start line at the start of the race will be deemed to have not started the race. Drivers may not access the rostrum after the race start.
Any incident that contrevenes the RCCAOI rules should only be reported to the race director only. A victim complaining to the race controller and/or judges of fact may result in that driver recieving a penalty themselves.

Hi all,

I just want to reiterate this. This Sunday is a day of NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP RACING - so as well as making sure you have an enjoyable and successful day's racing - I urge all competitors to ensure that they obide by the rules and make sure that racing is fair for everyone.

Very often at club racing, we have competitors that don't arrive at their marshalling position till just a few seconds before the start of the race. This makes it difficult for the drivers on the rostrum to relax and focus on the 5 minute run that is about to start. Because of this, a marshal not arriving at their post in time for the 30 second warning is directly affecting the drivers on the rostrum - on sunday this will be deemed as cheating and will result in a penalty being applied.

We hope that each race during the day is monitored by a Judge of Fact. A Judge of Fact is an individual nominated by the race director to monitor races and report back to the race director if any incidents occur. A Judge of Fact may not issue penalties or implement disciplinary action of any sort. They may only report back to the Race Director whom will take action if required. Any driver seen to be interfering with or intimidating a Judge of Fact will be dealt with swiftly - this is a difficult job that is very necessary given the high standard of racing that is developing in this country - and I don't want people to be discouraged from taking on the roll due to the bad behaviour of "mouthy" competitors.

We have a packed schedule on Sunday so we won't be haulting racing or putting it on "manual" for anyone unless exceptional circumstances call for it. Drivers whom are not on the rostrum and/or don't have their cars on the start line/grid at the start of the race will have deemed to have not started. They will not be permitted to enter the rostrum or start the race once the race start alarm has sounded. Again, this is just in consideration for those drivers who are prepared and are trying to focus on thier run.

The Race Director will be identified at driver's briefing. The Race Director is the only official that complaints should be made to and the Race Director is the only official that can implement disciplinary action of any sort. Making a complaint to a Judge of Fact, a Race Controller, a DMCC committee member or any other official may result in the complainer recieving a penalty themselves. Once a complaint is recieved the Race Director will confirm the infrigment with the relevant Judge of Fact.

Booking-in closes at 10.30am - anyone who plans to arrive after that should contact me no later than Saturday evening to make special arrangement.

A final note to all drivers. Please remember that the Race Director, Race Controllers and Judges of Fact are all racing on the day as well. We will try to ensure that there is as much consistancy in the judgements as possible, and we will always promote fairness and will make sure that everyone is treated the same regardless of racing class, racing level, formula etc.

Have a great day's racing and best of luck to all.

[h0m3sy]

Bring it on!......:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[dmcracing]

does anybody know if my RCCAOI form arrived because i dont want to travel to naul and not be able to race?

Arrived today Aaron,website updated.See you Sunday.:thumbsup:

[av4625]

:thumbsup:

[Legacy555]

:thumbsup:

Yes Aaron, you're in and you were the last in :thumbsup:
Roll on a very very competitive year of racing.

[Legacy555]

Very quiet on here...... should I assume that everyone is too busy working on their cars to look at oOple?:thumbsup:

[Rayzerp]

Yeah Will....all my brain power is being devoted to thinking about set-ups! Woke at 3 this morning debating in my head whether to go with blue or silver front springs:confused:
Looking forward to Sunday :thumbsup:

[noreargrip]

Lol...I thought it was just me...all I think about is cars and set ups...nothing else matters...we are all sad people..ha ha

[Legacy555]

Yeah Will....all my brain power is being devoted to thinking about set-ups! Woke at 3 this morning debating in my head whether to go with blue or silver front springs:confused:
Looking forward to Sunday :thumbsup:

Lol...I thought it was just me...all I think about is cars and set ups...nothing else matters...we are all sad people..ha ha

You two boys should talk - I'd say setups for the Centro and Vega are very similar.

[Sv1keith]

Sussssh quiet please to busy getting shocks ready and tyres

[av4625]

Is ther a code for the door and the barrier

[Legacy555]

RCCAOI Round 1 2012 - I think I can sum up the event by quoting one of the racers who has raced for over 20 years when I said that it had been a good day of racing...... His response was "One of the best".

Well done to all of the competitors - the finals in all classes were gripping! (ahem!)
The complaints book and judges of fact to assist the race director worked really really well and plenty of warnings and penalties were issued.

I'll have results up in the next 48 hours.

Regards,

William

[David Church]

Can you tell us who won??:thumbsup:

[Legacy555]

Can you tell us who won??:thumbsup:

Can't remember all of the results... but I think whats below is right - I'll have all the results up sooooooon.

The racing was superb - top three in 2wd all broke the previous lap record and 5 minute run record!

2wd mod:
1. Mark Penney
2. Derek McCloskey
3. William White

4wd Mod:
1. Derek McCloskey
2. Aaron Vance
3. Michael Bolger

4wd Club
1. Ivan Thomson
2. Lee McGuire
3. Alan Thomson

2wd Club:
1. Ivan Thomson
2. Kevin White
3. Can't be sure....

[David Church]

Good work there!!! Great results for you guys!!!

I'm looking forward to coming back to race there!!!:thumbsup:

[Rayzerp]

2wd Club:
1. Ivan Thomson
2. Kevin White
3. Ray Power

I think I was 3rd.......More by luck than skill!!

[h0m3sy]

Well done Ray....top job. :thumbsup:

[Rayzerp]

Just a suggestion, what about a sticky thread where the top finishers in races such as this post their set-ups? There is a good mix of cars among the top results.....i know there is lots on info on oople about set-ups (If you go to the specific brands thread) but it would be great to see what people are running on tracks you are familiar with??

[The Doktor]

Can't remember all of the results... but I think whats below is right - I'll have all the results up sooooooon.


4wd Club
1. Ivan Thomson
2. Lee McGuire
3. Alan Thomson

....

Ye might want to check that

By the way, pretty excellent win from Alan in the 3rd leg of the 4wd final! He will get sponsored yet!

[ian h]

Ye might want to check that

By the way, pretty excellent win from Alan in the 3rd leg of the 4wd final! He will get sponsored yet!

Well done Lee on your win! Make sure you get to the next round in Ballymena now.

[kartstuffer]

Yes well done Lee you got me that time good racing.
Alan is already sponsored:D:D:D

[mixer]

It was a great day on sunday. there was some excellent racing in the final, a big thank to everyone whom helped make sunday a sucuss.:thumbsup::thumbsup:
There was a few penalties hand out some of which were iussed due to distraction of the running of the event (sorry tony). :(
A big thank to Dave Bolger for his great job all day with his scruntining, excellent job and very much appreciated..:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Legacy555]

Only a month now till round two of the championship in Ballymena. The track has recently gone under the knife and had alot of work done.
Really looking forward to this!!! :thumbsup:

[h0m3sy]

There is racing this Saturday the 12th at Ballymena, this is the only meeting before the RCCAOI round on the 9th of June, any members planning on doing this round of the Championship would be well advised to make the trip up. Weather looks good too, so no excuses. Hope to see you all there. :thumbsup:

[MiCk B.]

I'm planning on making the trip up.

MiCk B. :-)

[h0m3sy]

Good man Mick, see if you can rally the troops down there :thumbsup:

[noreargrip]

won't make Saturday ....working till 12..won't make Sunday ...working all day...wonder if I could come up after work..will they let you practice after racing had finished?

[h0m3sy]

Come up after your work on Saturday mate, we will be there most of the day anyway. I'm sure you would get a few laps in. :)

[celticpanman]

hi dave sorry but i have the kids this weekend so will not be able to make it

[Click]

Come up after your work on Saturday mate, we will be there most of the day anyway. I'm sure you would get a few laps in. :)

Hi Dave,

Is this the location of the track: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&daddr=%5BBT437QA%5D&saddr


All the best

Kevin

[h0m3sy]

Thats it Kev, you will see the sign posts for Ecos Centre on the motorway. You can't miss it mate, 2 mins off motorway.:thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

Look for woodside industrial park , eco center

[Mugenextreme]

http://maps.google.ie/maps?saddr=Dublin&daddr=54.867350,+-6.257761&hl=en&sll=54.107723,-6.207275&sspn=2.57967,7.13562&geocode=FWj3LQMdml2g_ykvrCfqgA5nSDGgcTGXqccACg%3BF ZY1RQMdn4Og_w&oq=dublin&t=h&mra=prev&z=8

[MiCk B.]

Is there mains power available at the track?

MiCk B. :-)

[h0m3sy]

Will White brought his genny the last time Mick, speak to him and see if he's going. There is power on site to run the timing system, perhaps a long extension lead would be required. I will be taking a 110ah leisure battery.

[Click]

Will White brought his genny the last time Mick, speak to him and see if he's going. There is power on site to run the timing system, perhaps a long extension lead would be required. I will be taking a 110ah leisure battery.

Hi Dave,

What time do you think the track will be open to? I'm booked into a 100K sportive on Sat., depending on my legs:lol: I might be finished around 2pm so I might not be getting to the track till 4.30ish, probably too late unless the club normally stays to 7pm?

Is the track ever open during the week or in the evenings?

Kevin

[kartstuffer]

Sorry guys I wont make it.I hope to be putting a gearbox back in my van on Saturday ,that`s if it is repaired properly this time!!!!!!:mad:

[h0m3sy]

Hi Dave,

What time do you think the track will be open to? I'm booked into a 100K sportive on Sat., depending on my legs:lol: I might be finished around 2pm so I might not be getting to the track till 4.30ish, probably too late unless the club normally stays to 7pm?

Is the track ever open during the week or in the evenings?

Kevin

Just been informed that the track will be open from 9.30am till 6pm. There is no practice allowed during the week due to the way the NIMCC rent the area.

[scroggie]

Hi guys,

We have mains power available at the track but you need to bring an extension lead to get out to the pits. Mark, if u cant make it till 12 or 1 we can book you in and you could just miss a heat, up to u guys. We're fairly flexible when it comes to running the day.

[MiCk B.]

All sounds good to me.

Plan to be there for 9.30.

Just hope that the weather co-operates!!

MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

Hi all,

Anyone wishing to travel in convoy up to the National Round in Ballymena this Saturday can meet me in Dublin at 6am or the Castlebellingham services on the M1 at about 7am.

Gates open in Ballymena at 8.30am

Pm me of phone me

Will

[Rayzerp]

So its round by round qualifying on Saturday.....is that your best 3 rounds combined using a points allocation? Or????

[Legacy555]

So its round by round qualifying on Saturday.....is that your best 3 rounds combined using a points allocation? Or????

You compete in 4 rounds getting a score for each based on where you finished overall in each round.
The system then takes your two best scores from the four to work out the final grids.

In the finals, everyone will compete in 3 finals with your best two finished added together to give you your overall classification.

Sounds more complex than it actually is.

[The Doktor]

best of luck lads, I wont be making it (or any of the other nationals by the looks of things) due to work.:cry:

[kartstuffer]

Same here, cant make Saturday. Hope the weather clears!

[Rayzerp]

Forecast looks a bit better for Saturday......hopefully!
So who is heading up?

[Rayzerp]

Great days racing in Ballymena today :thumbsup:

[h0m3sy]

What was the results Ray?

[Rayzerp]

Mark Penny 2wd
Mick Bolger 4wd
Last two 4wd finals Were great....went down to the last corner between Mick and Aaron

[h0m3sy]

Team Associated cleaned up then, what about yourself, Will and Derek?

[Rayzerp]

Not too sure about 2wd results for the lads, was marshalling a busy spot that had me a nervious wreck afterwards lol ....and I left quickly at the end.
I know Derek had an unlucky day in 4wd, retired from every heat with electric gremlins. Will drove the wheels (literally at times ha ha) off the Durango for 1st/ 3rd/ 3rd in 4wd.
Sadly there was only 2 of us in 2wd clubman, I was first but felt a fairly hollow victory....we both wished we had more people to compete against :(
Really enjoyed the track though...fantastic venue.

[Legacy555]

Really enjoyed the national at NIMCC. Weather stayed dry! Track was bumpy and technical - very enjoyable! Well done to Mark and Mick on their wins.

[h0m3sy]

Official Membership List
Written by RCCAOI Secretary
Last Updated Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:30


1 Colin Whelan
2 Derek McCloskey
3 William White
4 David Home
5 Jonathan Dunn
6 Stephen Hill
7 Lee McGuire
8 Wayne McGuire
9 Denis Farrell
10 Andrew Rennick
11 John Dungan
12 Nigel Dungan
13 Conor Reilly
14 Mick Bolger
15 Dave Bolger
16 Tony Kavanagh
17 Karl Rankin
18 Raymond power
19 Mark Penney
20 Ross McCullough
21 Keith Harris
22 Aaran Yeates
23 Kevin White
24 Ivan Thompson
25 Alan Thompson
26 Niall Cromie
27 Micheal O Leary
28 Ian Hunter
29 Aaron Vance

10 drivers out of all these names turned up yesterday, I know I wasn't there myself, due to the fact I now race 1/8e. In fact this was the main reason I gave up on 1/10 buggys, no support. Where was everyone yesterday??? I feel so sorry for the guys who go to the trouble of organising these events, only to have 10 or even less drivers turn up.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[Legacy555]

10 drivers out of all these names turned up yesterday, I know I wasn't there myself, due to the fact I now race 1/8e. In fact this was the main reason I gave up on 1/10 buggys, no support. Where was everyone yesterday??? I feel so sorry for the guys who go to the trouble of organising these events, only to have 10 or even less drivers turn up.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:


So you didn't support a section with 10 racers to join a section which only had 2 racers at round 1?:thumbdown:

No need to feel sorry David, the organisers expected a smaller crowd than round 1 and are now looking forward to a rebolstered field at round 3 in Navan.

Best of luck with your 1/8e - hopefully enough drivers enter the class to allow it to have its own heat and final.

[h0m3sy]

I'm not having a pop here Will so don't take my comments the wrong way. I'm just stating the facts. Today there was 42 drivers in the 1/8 racing at Aghalee. We run alongside the nitros for now, so there is always full heats and 12 car finals. Stephen Hill made the A final and Jonny Dunn made the B final as did I after winning the C final. I know I've made the right choice for me. When we have enough 1/8e numbers we will have our own heats and finals. Which I don't think will be too far away given the ever increasing numbers. It's just so sad to see the decline in the 1/10 numbers after last year, sometimes you've just got to go with the flow and that seems to be with the 1/8. I will see you next week if your coming up for the BRCA round at Ballymena.

[ian h]

Official Membership List
Written by RCCAOI Secretary
Last Updated Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:30


1 Colin Whelan
2 Derek McCloskey
3 William White
4 David Home O
5 Jonathan Dunn
6 Stephen Hill
7 Lee McGuire
8 Wayne McGuire
9 Denis Farrell
10 Andrew Rennick
11 John Dungan
12 Nigel Dungan
13 Conor Reilly
14 Mick Bolger
15 Dave Bolger
16 Tony Kavanagh
17 Karl Rankin
18 Raymond power
19 Mark Penney
20 Ross McCullough
21 Keith Harris
22 Aaran Yeates
23 Kevin White
24 Ivan Thompson
25 Alan Thompson
26 Niall Cromie
27 Micheal O Leary
28 Ian Hunter
29 Aaron Vance

10 drivers out of all these names turned up yesterday, I know I wasn't there myself, due to the fact I now race 1/8e. In fact this was the main reason I gave up on 1/10 buggys, no support. Where was everyone yesterday??? I feel so sorry for the guys who go to the trouble of organising these events, only to have 10 or even less drivers turn up.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

I'm in Aruba, would have gone otherwise. Btw this is the perfect place for a track, never rains and 32 degrees all year round!

[h0m3sy]

I'm in Aruba, would have gone otherwise. Btw this is the perfect place for a track, never rains and 32 degrees all year round!

Build it and they will come :lol::lol::lol:

[Sv1keith]

I'm in Aruba, would have gone otherwise. Btw this is the perfect place for a track, never rains and 32 degrees all year round!

Alright Ian

Sounds like loads of hard work getting a new venue I'm in key west next week I'll let you's know what its like for a venue

[Meangombine]

".... the organisers expected a smaller crowd than round 1 and are now looking forward to a rebolstered field at round 3 in Navan....."

Self delusion is a terrible thing. The 1/10 scene has been allowed to die a death from the high of when we used to travel down to the Naul. We had 42 cars and a fantastic days racing at track in the middle of nowhere and the DMCC can't even muster a proper track to race on :thumbdown:

[Mugenextreme]

".... the organisers expected a smaller crowd than round 1 and are now looking forward to a rebolstered field at round 3 in Navan....."

Self delusion is a terrible thing. The 1/10 scene has been allowed to die a death from the high of when we used to travel down to the Naul. We had 42 cars and a fantastic days racing at track in the middle of nowhere and the DMCC can't even muster a proper track to race on :thumbdown:


Bit harsh Meangombine after all the DMCC are the club who provided the venue in the Naul for you and the other lads to come race in. Not there fault that the owner had other plans for the site which lead to the club having to leave that site and revert back to its original venue in the Lucan. Unlike many of the other clubs who have their tracks on private land which allows for permanent facilities and development work to be carried out on the tracks. The Lucan grounds they are on are council land and this in turn limits the potential development of the track.

By all means Meangombine if you can fine a similar venue that is suitable to race at which could bring everyone togather for racing, i am sure the DMCC Committee would be happy to hear your ideas.

I do agree it is a shame that more people from the original day did not travel to round 2 for what ever reason. But i would hope that at round 3 we could see a larger turn out to make the effort which was put in to securing alternative tracks to race on for the 1:10 National worth the effort both too the National organizers and to the Clubs who have given there time to prep tracks etc.. to facilitate the class at their venue.

[kartstuffer]

Well said colin
I wonder who it is .First post and ananomous ??
You should try Lucan ,good close racing the last few weeks .Its your loss.

[h0m3sy]

Well said colin
I wonder who it is .First post and ananomous ??
You should try Lucan ,good close racing the last few weeks .Its your loss.

I agree with Colin about it being a shame, but I also feel more could have been done when the comittee found out they were losing the Naul. I remember a good few of us were willing to stump up £2000 each to help fund a new place. Yes Ivan, Lucan is good and close but no one will travel 2hrs for a grass/dirt track when there is one 30 mins away, namely Aghalee. I tavelled down a couple of times last year to Griffeen, but I can't justify it this year. I also feel the support from some of the Southern drivers is a bit of a joke too, apart from Will, Colin and Derek, who else has supported any of our tracks up here on a regular basis like the Nothern drivers did when they travelled South? It works both ways Ivan.

[Meangombine]

I agree with Colin about it being a shame, but I also feel more could have been done when the comittee found out they were losing the Naul. I remember a good few of us were willing to stump up £2000 each to help fund a new place. Yes Ivan, Lucan is good and close but no one will travel 2hrs for a grass/dirt track when there is one 30 mins away, namely Aghalee. I tavelled down a couple of times last year to Griffeen, but I can't justify it this year. I also feel the support from some of the Southern drivers is a bit of a joke too, apart from Will, Colin and Derek, who else has supported any of our tracks up here on a regular basis like the Nothern drivers did when they travelled South? It works both ways Ivan.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[celticpanman]

Hi David. It is not as easy and as clear cut as that

[h0m3sy]

I'm afraid it may be too late in any case Graham as most 1/10th guys have moved or are moving on now. The DMCC could have been the number 1 off road club in all Ireland, sadly I think that is a long way off now. All the best with Griffeen Valley, sounds like some good racing you guys are having.

[Meangombine]

Hi David. It is not as easy and as clear cut as that

We all love a cliffhanger but when is part 2???

You are a naught fellow to tease us so......
Elaborate dear sir so that the common peasant may begin to comprehend the complexity of the Predicament faced by the valiant committee

[ian h]

I'll tidy up this thread later chaps due to loads of complaints!

[celticpanman]

Thanks Ian

[av4625]

U's have deffinately done something to annoy someone?

[Meath77]

Official Membership List
Written by RCCAOI Secretary
Last Updated Tuesday, 20 March 2012 20:30


1 Colin Whelan
2 Derek McCloskey
3 William White
4 David Home
5 Jonathan Dunn
6 Stephen Hill
7 Lee McGuire
8 Wayne McGuire
9 Denis Farrell
10 Andrew Rennick
11 John Dungan
12 Nigel Dungan
13 Conor Reilly
14 Mick Bolger
15 Dave Bolger
16 Tony Kavanagh
17 Karl Rankin
18 Raymond power
19 Mark Penney
20 Ross McCullough
21 Keith Harris
22 Aaran Yeates
23 Kevin White
24 Ivan Thompson
25 Alan Thompson
26 Niall Cromie
27 Micheal O Leary
28 Ian Hunter
29 Aaron Vance

10 drivers out of all these names turned up yesterday, I know I wasn't there myself, due to the fact I now race 1/8e. In fact this was the main reason I gave up on 1/10 buggys, no support. Where was everyone yesterday??? I feel so sorry for the guys who go to the trouble of organising these events, only to have 10 or even less drivers turn up.:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

Some of us have lives outside rc racing. I'll get a note from my mum next time I miss an event. ;)

[wacattack]

Some of us have lives outside rc racing. I'll get a note from my mum next time I miss an event. ;)

Quite possibly one of the most selfish posts I've seen. If you book into a meeting and cannot attend for whatever reason, at least have the common decency to let the organisers know. As has been said, a lot of people put a lot of time and effort into organising meetings, many of whom don't even race. You need to give a bit of courtesy and gratitude to them as without them, you wouldn't be able to race!

[ian h]

Quite possibly one of the most selfish posts I've seen. If you book into a meeting and cannot attend for whatever reason, at least have the common decency to let the organisers know. As has been said, a lot of people put a lot of time and effort into organising meetings, many of whom don't even race. You need to give a bit of courtesy and gratitude to them as without them, you wouldn't be able to race!
Just to clarify something here, the list is only a list of registered association members and not a pre entered list of competitors for a specific event. I am pretty sure that not all on the list actually registered for the event but only those on the list could register.

[av4625]

Some of us have lives outside rc racing. I'll get a note from my mum next time I miss an event. ;)

Its looking like u will need the note from ur mum dude :lol: i didnt think that was selfish if people cant make it for watever reason there is nothing u can do about it,

[h0m3sy]

Its looking like u will need the note from ur mum dude :lol: i didnt think that was selfish if people cant make it for watever reason there is nothing u can do about it,

Your missing the point Aaron

[h0m3sy]

Some of us have lives outside rc racing. I'll get a note from my mum next time I miss an event. ;)

We all have lives outside of RC, just seems to be every time there is a RCCAOI/BRCA round North of the border it's the same 3 or 4 guys from the South that travel up. Why is this? The support the guys from the North gave the South over the last 12-18 months has been unwaivering, yet we have 1 race meeting up here on 1 weekend out of a whole year and 4 guys make the effort? Is it any wonder a lot of people are turning their backs on 1/10 buggy racing now. Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves.

[av4625]

We all have lives outside of RC, just seems to be every time there is a RCCAOI/BRCA round North of the border it's the same 3 or 4 guys from the South that travel up. Why is this? The support the guys from the North gave the South over the last 12-18 months has been unwaivering, yet we have 1 race meeting up here on 1 weekend out of a whole year and 4 guys make the effort? Is it any wonder a lot of people are turning their backs on 1/10 buggy racing now. Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves.

i do agree david that nobody bothers their head coming up but that wacattack guy took a bit of a psyco lik lol :woot:

[h0m3sy]

i do agree david that nobody bothers their head coming up but that wacattack guy took a bit of a psyco lik lol :woot:

LOL...The Beastie Boy lyrics from meangombine must be my favourite comment of all time :lol::lol::lol:

[av4625]

lol :thumbsup:

[Meangombine]

LOL...The Beastie Boy lyrics from meangombine must be my favourite comment of all time :lol::lol::lol:
" you'll shut me down with a push of your button?". And they did :thumbdown:
The silence on here from certain people is deafening, and tells its own story

[celticpanman]

....

[kartstuffer]

Round 3 in Navan next week .Who is going?????

[Legacy555]

Round 3 in Navan next week .Who is going?????

ME!!!!! :thumbsup:

[blade]

count me in

[ian h]

Me, looking forward to it.

[Rayzerp]

Me too :thumbsup:

[Sv1keith]

I shall be there

[Sv1keith]

Has round 4 being confirmed yet

[MiCk B.]

Has round 4 being confirmed yet

Round 4 will be run in Lucan.

MiCk B. :-)

[dmcracing]

*
R.C.C.A.O.I. 1/10th Electric Offroad National Series 2012 – Round 3
Sunday 12th August 2012 at Navan Nitro Nuts.

Details in Brief;
Location: Navan Nitro Nuts - http://www.nnn.ie – Off the R161, Navan, Co. Meath
Google maps ref; 53.623174,-6.68694
Heats will be seeded in Championship order.
Open class heats will not be seeded.

Event Format:
4 rounds of qualifying – BRCA Round-by-Round Points System
3 Finals with best two scores added to count.

Heat order:
Heat #1 - 2wd Clubman "B"
Heat #2 - 2wd Modified "B"
Heat #3 - 2wd Modified "A"
Heat #4 - 2wd Clubman "A"
Heat #5 - Open "A"
Heat #6 - 4wd Modified "B"/4wd Clubman "A"
Heat #7 - 4wd Modified "A"

Booking in:
All competitors, from all classes, must book in when instructed to do so on the morning of the event.
Booking in closes at 1000hrs

Timetable:
Round length: approx 70 minutes (min. 1 hour)
Doors open - 0830hrs
Track open - 0915hrs
Track closed - 1015hrs
Drivers briefing - 1020hrs
Round 1 - 1045hrs
Round 2 - 1155hrs
Round 3 - 1305hrs
Round 4 - 1415hrs
Finals 1 - 1525hrs
Finals 2 - 1635 hrs
Finals 3 - 1745hrs
Meeting closed - 1835hrs

Race Officials:
Will be announced at drivers briefing

Venue information;
There is a limited amount of mains power at the venue – it is recommended that anyone with a generator should bring it.
Access to mains power is not guaranteed.
There is toilets in the main footballers clubhouse, and compressed air on site.Chip wagon will there from 12pm.
*

[Legacy555]

Hi all,

Delighted to hear that so many of you are planning to attend the RCCAOI National in Navan, best of luck and see you on Sunday :thumbsup:

Anyone wishing to lend a hand with some final track preparation work - there is a work party meeting between 11am and 2pm on Saturday.... but just to remind you that the track is closed all this week to registered competitors.

Could Mark Penney wrap up the 2wd Modified Championship this Sunday :confused:

Best of luck to all

[MiCk B.]

.... but just to remind you that the track is closed all this week to registered competitors.

Very confused by this. (I'm sure I am not the only one.)

This is the first time it has been stated the track is closed to competitors.

Surely for this to be official, the membership must be informed by the RCCAOI section chairman. At the moment it's just a post on a forum.

This didn't happen at the other rounds.
Why can it happen now?

Is this something that is stated in the rules. I don't have the time to read the rules. But as a very long time member of the RCCAOI and holding various committee position in that time. This is the first time I every heard of this being discussed for 1/10 off-road.

It would be helpful for all concerned if the section chairman could show where in the rules it allows for this.



MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

Very confused by this. (I'm sure I am not the only one.)

This is the first time it has been stated the track is closed to competitors.

Surely for this to be official, the membership must be informed by the RCCAOI section chairman. At the moment it's just a post on a forum.

This didn't happen at the other rounds.
Why can it happen now?

Is this something that is stated in the rules. I don't have the time to read the rules. But as a very long time member of the RCCAOI and holding various committee position in that time. This is the first time I every heard of this being discussed for 1/10 off-road.

It would be helpful for all concerned if the section chairman could show where in the rules it allows for this.



MiCk B. :-)

Hi Mick,

RCCAOI section rules would only apply to hosted meetings.
Why would the RCCAOI rules ever apply to clubs when no meeting is being held?
Regards,

Will

P.S. - Please see http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost.php?p=494541&postcount=24 you'll note that this was done last year. Also, re: Round 1 of this year, the track was being built/modified on the week up to the round, so was closed by default. And the Ecos Centre in Ballymena for Round 2 is closed to racers every week...... so nothing new here.
I hope you enjoy racing on Sunday and are a participant in restoring enjoyable competition in our sport.

[MiCk B.]

Will,

You are still avoiding the many issues.

Navan: You are the one stating that the track in Navan is off limits.
As I've already asked if this is official then it should be sent out to the membership by the official representative, the RCCAOI 1/10 scale section chairman.
You may not be aware but not every one reads OOple.com (shocking I know.)

Has the Navan club been informed that people have been banned / prevented from using their track?

The post you linked to about the round last year in Lucan.
How do you close off a public park?
A rule that cannot be enforced is not a rule.
(How was this enforced? What proof was there that no-one used the track.)

This year, Round 1, did this happen. Any reference to where the DMCC stated the the track / venue would be closed the week before the national.
Are you 100% there was no regular Thursday night practice evening, the week before the national?
(Again how was this enforced / policed.)

The year, Round 2, the club only has access to the track on pre-definded dates. So the track was not specifically 'off-limits' due to the national round. There was no access to the track regardless of what was happening at the week-end.

Really this is a matter for the section chairman to answer. The questions raised need to be answered by an actual official.

MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

Hi Mick,

Didn't intend to avoid your questions, and your right I'm not an elected official, just one member trying to help a confused other member - please see detailed answers to questions below

Very confused by this. (I'm sure I am not the only one.)

This is the first time it has been stated the track is closed to competitors.
As track access is only permitted for insurance reasons to NNN members, this would only effect racers that are NNN members and RCCAOI members. See 'Navan Electric Racing' post or http://rccaoi.com/tenthoffroad/41-tenthoffroad/227-navan-track-day.html also
Surely for this to be official, the membership must be informed by the RCCAOI section chairman. At the moment it's just a post on a forum. SEE RCCAOI.com - 2/8/12, Announcement made. http://rccaoi.com/tenthoffroad/41-tenthoffroad/227-navan-track-day.html
As Navan is only open during the week to NNN members it would be unfair to allow practice for some RCCAOI competitors and not for others on the lead up to the event. Also, work being carried out on the track may result in people wanting to practice being turned away. NNN closed the track with the Section Reps agreement.

This didn't happen at the other rounds. Not Correct. Yes it did.
Why can it happen now?

Is this something that is stated in the rules. I don't have the time to read the rules. But as a very long time member of the RCCAOI and holding various committee position in that time. This is the first time I every heard of this being discussed for 1/10 off-road. Doesn't require ruling. RCCAOI rules are applicable to RCCAOI meetings only. Not practice or any other day at the club except RCCAOI meetings.

It would be helpful for all concerned if the section chairman could show where in the rules it allows for this. He may do.

MiCk B. :-)

Hope this helps Mick. If you are still confused we'll go through it all on Friday when I call over to you.

Will,

You are still avoiding the many issues.

Navan: You are the one stating that the track in Navan is off limits. Not Correct - As only NNN members can access the track - see rccaoi.com (2/8/12 post) - All RCCAOI section members who are NNN members have been informed. http://rccaoi.com/tenthoffroad/41-tenthoffroad/227-navan-track-day.html
As I've already asked if this is official then it should be sent out to the membership by the official representative, the RCCAOI 1/10 scale section chairman.
You may not be aware but not every one reads OOple.com (shocking I know.)

Has the Navan club been informed that people have been banned / prevented from using their track? It's NNN policy

The post you linked to about the round last year in Lucan.
How do you close off a public park? Not closing off the public park, just stopping people from practicing on the track.
A rule that cannot be enforced is not a rule.
(How was this enforced? What proof was there that no-one used the track.) Several random visits by committee members at key time on the lead up to the event.

This year, Round 1, did this happen. Any reference to where the DMCC stated the the track / venue would be closed the week before the national.
Are you 100% there was no regular Thursday night practice evening, the week before the national?
(Again how was this enforced / policed.)
Thursday night racing did not take place as the track was being finished. If there is no track how can you practice?

The year, Round 2, the club only has access to the track on pre-definded dates. So the track was not specifically 'off-limits' due to the national round. There was no access to the track regardless of what was happening at the week-end.

Really this is a matter for the section chairman to answer. The questions raised need to be answered by an actual official.

MiCk B. :-)

[MiCk B.]

Hi Mick,

Didn't intend to avoid your questions, and your right I'm not an elected official, just one member trying to help a confused other member - please see detailed answers to questions below



Hope this helps Mick. If you are still confused we'll go through it all on Friday when I call over to you.

Will,

What you've posted has only added to the confusion, it seams the information you are supplying is changing / different each time.

I fail to see how you talking at me will solve anything.

As I have stated a number of time and you have ignored each and every time. It is the RCCAOI section chairman that should be supplying this information to the membership.

MiCk B. :-)

[Legacy555]

Will,

What you've posted has only added to the confusion, it seams the information you are supplying is changing / different each time.

I fail to see how you talking at me will solve anything.

As I have stated a number of time and you have ignored each and every time. It is the RCCAOI section chairman that should be supplying this information to the membership.

MiCk B. :-)

Have you emailed him?

[tony6187]

hi will,this post http://www.oople.com/forums/showpost.php?p=494541&postcount=24 from last year was not by the direction of the rccaoi rep(myself)and could not be enforced by the rccaoi.i took it that this was posted and the threat of punishment where coming from the dmcc of which you where an official.you are not an official of the rccaoi and just to clarify are you an official of the navan club?the tone of your posts would indicate that you are.
there was practice during the week leading up to the first round in the naul a fact you are aware of.no problem with the nnn policy but you should get your facts right or leave the posting of information to the elected officals

[Legacy555]

Looks like a few showers in the morning, but a dry afternoon for the national...

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ie/navan/210586/hourly-weather-forecast/210586?hour=57

[Rayzerp]

Looks like a few showers in the morning, but a dry afternoon for the national...

http://www.accuweather.com/en/ie/navan/210586/hourly-weather-forecast/210586?hour=57

Hopefully....track seemed to dry very quick last sunday after the shower

[blade]

best of luck to everyone this weekend hopefully weather will hold up

[av4625]

there was practice during the week leading up to the first round in the naul a fact you are aware of.

Not every one heard of this before the nat? :o

[Mugenextreme]

good luck to everyone on Sunday. I wont be out as i have something else on but i hope you lads get a great day for racing.


Cougar 2wd For Sale (http://forum.orcaireland.ie/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=794)

[kartstuffer]

Been there ,done that , dont fancy it again !

[Meath77]

Broke more bits in 2 heats than I did in the last 2 years! I don't think those pipes held in place with thick steel rods like my car

[mixer]

Broke more bits in 2 heats than I did in the last 2 years! I don't think those pipes held in place with thick steel rods like my car


yea seen that enough to send home:thumbdown:

[ian h]

Broke more bits in 2 heats than I did in the last 2 years! I don't think those pipes held in place with thick steel rods like my car

Don't hit them, simples! They are after all barriers not targets. Lol
On a serious note no track is perfect and we have to really try and make the most of what limited opportunities we have. I really enjoyed yesterday and even surprised myself qualifying A3 in 2wd. That in itself was like winning for me.

[Meath77]

yea seen that enough to send home:thumbdown:
Absolutely lashed rain for most of the way home too. Trying to get wet gloves off at the toll to give them a poxy 70 cent didn't help the journey either :mad:

Don't hit them, simples! They are after all barriers not targets. Lol

Good idea, I'll try that, have to make the marshalls do some work though. I think missing the practice sessions earlier was my downfall, pain in the hole going out in a heat for your first time on track you never raced on.

[kartstuffer]

Dont get me wrong the organisers did their best at a track which is clearly not suited to 1/10th.
I stand to be corrected but,as far as i am aware the track should not be constructed from markers which are likely to damage your car ?
I do know that the object is to avoid the track markers but when you hit one that didnt need to be where it was and it snaps your chassis in half something isint right.
With a little refinement it could be sorted ,after all we are not all experts and it is a 1/8th track.!
After all that well done to those who ran the event and were very helpful on the day and are trying to give us something different.

[Sv1keith]

Great track and great experience and a brilliant challenge for a novice driver and on the flip side 4 heats and 3 finals not a single thing broke that is a win for me in its self

[Meath77]

Dont get me wrong the organisers did their best at a track which is clearly not suited to 1/10th.
I stand to be corrected but,as far as i am aware the track should not be constructed from markers which are likely to damage your car ?
I do know that the object is to avoid the track markers but when you hit one that didnt need to be where it was and it snaps your chassis in half something isint right.
With a little refinement it could be sorted ,after all we are not all experts and it is a 1/8th track.!
After all that well done to those who ran the event and were very helpful on the day and are trying to give us something different.
+1, agree with all that.

[Rayzerp]

Great track and great experience and a brilliant challenge for a novice driver and on the flip side 4 heats and 3 finals not a single thing broke that is a win for me in its self

Totally agree....maybe i shouldnt when I had 4 heats and 3 finals and only finished 2 of them though :lol::lol:.
You have to be happy to race at such a fantastic facility with great organisation and the two heats/finals that i did finish were because i slowed down and drove clean....and I also won both so i think that is a lesson well learned for me, slow down to speed up!!

[The Doktor]

I think that the lads doing the organising did a great job in fairness. It was also nice to race on astro outdoors.
But I agree with some of the stuff mentioned above. The track just wasnt suited to 1/10. In one crash I did over 50 euros worth of damage on one of the steel bars holding the track markers down.

[h0m3sy]

Simple answer is to get a 1/8e lads, it's the future ;)

[Legacy555]

I think that the lads doing the organising did a great job in fairness.

+1 :thumbsup: The race director Carel was on the ball all day and took no guff from anyone.

I really enjoyed the meeting..... good turnout, relatively incident free racing, officials ran the meeting well and got us finished just before the rain started...

[Meath77]

Simple answer is to get a 1/8e lads, it's the future ;)

Or ever better, keep the 1/10 and race at Lucan :thumbsup:

[Legacy555]

Some photos have been put up >>>HERE<<< (https://picasaweb.google.com/109837142015653064331/Nationals2012#)
Many thanks to Dave Bolger for his contribution.

[dmcracing]

Round 3 results now up on www.rccaoi.com in results section.

[kartstuffer]

Whose going on Sunday ?????

[Rayzerp]

Me! I have to leave for the airport at 5.30 but if we stick to schedule I should just about get 2 finals in :thumbsup:

[Mugenextreme]

I am hoping to go. I just have to see can I get a buggy for the weekend.

[ian h]

You can use my SV2 if you want as I won't be racing.

[MiCk B.]

Who's heading out to Lucan on Friday and / or Saturday for some practice?

(Derek, did you get that email I sent to you about rounds 2 & 3?)

MiCk B. :-)

[Mugenextreme]

Who's heading out to Lucan on Friday and / or Saturday for some practice?

(Derek, did you get that email I sent to you about rounds 2 & 3?)

MiCk B. :-)

Never saw anything about practice the days before any other round, why have we started now with this event since there was no noticfication about it in the offical notes for the event. Is this dmcc allowing this practice to go ahead?

[MiCk B.]

Never saw anything about practice the days before any other round, why have we started now with this event since there was no noticfication about it in the offical notes for the event. Is this dmcc allowing this practice to go ahead?

There was practice on Thursday before the round in the Naul. It was the usual Thursday evening run. (And as far as I know people were out on the Saturday as well.)

So nothing new is starting now. This is something that has happened in previous years as well. So nothing new here.

Official notes, nothing on the RCCAOI webpage about it.

There are much more serious issues that need be address in this years championships, then practice before events.

MiCk B. :-)

[Mugenextreme]

Be nice their Mick. Just asking for a bit of notice from the committee . Hearing it from a third party whos not part of the committee the day before it happens is not really fair to everyone involved.

[kartstuffer]

I assume as its a public park you can go there whenever you want!!! As people did last week.

[Legacy555]

There's no information on the club website or on oople or any emails from the club committee regarding a practice session today or tomorrow.
Not in the calendar either....

If there is to be organised practice by the club for the National Round on Sunday I think that it's only fair that its announced officially to give everyone a chance of attending.

The public park may be open, but access to the track markings and timing equipment is restricted.

[kartstuffer]

I assume if you want to go and practice it`s a case of just driving around where the grass is cut without any markers etc.
If i get a chance i will drop by tonite on my way home ( if i can get away a little earlier still be after 7 though) for 1/2 hour to check the car out as on Sunday the track has to be set up etc. and i won`t get as much time to practice as non club members will.
Nothing official .:)

[MiCk B.]

Yep,

It's nothing official. Would just be using what is there all the time.

MiCk B. :-)

[kartstuffer]

As this will be the last race this year at lucan are all regulars aware that there is an open class on the day where non championship drivers can race , just be there before 10 to enter .
No real info on this anywhere.

[Sv1keith]

What if it's raining on sunday will rd 4 still be running or is there a re run date for it

[Mugenextreme]

As this will be the last race this year at lucan are all regulars aware that there is an open class on the day where non championship drivers can race , just be there before 10 to enter .
No real info on this anywhere.



I dont get this Kartstuffer, an open class has been there for every round run this year. A heat has been made available for every round as stated in the information for each round. I dont remember anyone taking advantage of the offer of running in the open class in the previous rounds but of course i am sure anyone who wants to come down they would be more then welcome to race in a open class heat.


Info for Open class is on Post no #3
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90377

Rccaoi 1/10 off road section
http://www.rccaoi.com/tenthoffroad.html

[Mugenextreme]

What if it's raining on sunday will rd 4 still be running or is there a re run date for it


Check this link

http://www.rccaoi.com/2010rccaoicalendar/categoryevents/5-110-electric-buggy.html

[h0m3sy]

Sort it out lads, all the bitching, shit stirring and in-fighting is what's putting people off travelling South for racing.

[kartstuffer]

I dont get this Kartstuffer, an open class has been there for every round run this year. A heat has been made available for every round as stated in the information for each round. I dont remember anyone taking advantage of the offer of running in the open class in the previous rounds but of course i am sure anyone who wants to come down they would be more then welcome to race in a open class heat.


Info for Open class is on Post no #3
http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90377

Rccaoi 1/10 off road section
http://www.rccaoi.com/tenthoffroad.html

Thats funny , two guys i know were rung up the day before R3 Navan and told not to bother coming as they would not get a race!

[kartstuffer]

Sort it out lads, all the bitching, shit stirring and in-fighting is what's putting people off travelling South for racing.

Hey Dave you getting a 1/10th again. New venue open soon so we can continue our own fight.
It was good crack last year.:thumbsup:

[h0m3sy]

I'm actually racing a 1/10 today in Bangor mate, it was excellent last year, couldn't have been any closer between us. I see you moved up to modified? Don't blame you, young Alan is going well :)

[Legacy555]

Credit where credit is due to the DMCC. Well done to Dave Bolger and the team for getting the place into tiptop condition. Great racing today

[Rayzerp]

Credit where credit is due to the DMCC. Well done to Dave Bolger and the team for getting the place into tiptop condition. Great racing today
:thumbsup:

[Meath77]

Some good racing even though the weather in the morning was so wet.

So long Lucan I'll miss the grass track and female joggers/walkers, but won't miss the rain and setting up and packing up.

[Sv1keith]

Good day all round alright nice clean racing in each class :cool:

[dmcracing]

Electric 1/10th offroad nationals Round 4 results&Championship finishing positions now posted on www.rccaoi.com