Cost of Car Tax

[Chrislong]

Hi all,
With the continueing rinsing of our wallet by the government, and rising cost of car tax & fuel duty, plus the added duty due to the rise in oil prices - I think it is time to do something about it..

Anyway, for your car tax look at this website:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/road-tax/?deriv=30205

Your car tax may not have risen much for March 2008, but pay attention to March 2009 & March 2010 - looks like a restructure of tax bands as mine changes from Band F to Band K and goes up dramatically. Is this the nanny state channeling us into driving slow eco-friendly smaller than we need cars?

Petition to scrap road tax:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/RIDofCARtax/

Petition to replace tax with a tax paid on fuel - more of a pay per mile tax:
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/replace-car-tax/

Im really angry at how much we are all taxed in various ways, this is just one of many of them. taxed on wages, taxed on spending it, taxed on travelling, taxed(fined) for stepping out of line, taxed for being middle/working class and not being able to afford expensive accountants who can bend the rules.

[DCM]

mine goes up from £185 to £200 as it don't go in the emissions bracket ruling

[B&H Racing]

Mine goes to £550 for a Vauxhall Zafira 56 Plate. :mad:

How can they warrant that when a mate of mine has got a 4 litre V Reg Jag which will go to something like £250 in 2010 !!

Must not have a family !!!!

[Chrislong]

Mine goes to £550 for a Vauxhall Zafira 56 Plate. :mad:

How can they warrant that when a mate of mine has got a 4 litre V Reg Jag which will go to something like £250 in 2010 !!

Must not have a family !!!!

Is it because many polititions have Jags? Likely.

is Robin Hood fictional? As those stories are not far off today, except we can't avoid paying them and we have no hero.

[Lee]

Mine has pretty much doubled even for 08:mad:


I think it will be cheaper to pay the fine :cry:

[jim76]

mine goes from £120 to £125. fairly happy with that!

[DCM]

the joys of a labour government I am afraid, which is billions of pounds in debt, got nothing else it can sell off, so will now bleed you dry..... suggest you don't vote labour and get them out.... you are now paying the largest percentage of earnings in the world in tax to them right at the moment, and it WILL get worse.

Go buy an older gas guzzler...

[Spoolio]

Umm, I don't get it. The missus' Panda 1.3 Multijet diesel is £35 this year, goes down to £30 in 2009 and then back up to £35 in 2010. Also, there is no rate shown for 6 months so does this mean its free? I presume not as this government doesn't do freebies, I assume it means periods of less than 12 months are not available.

Personally I disagree with a tax on fuel on the basis that well over 70% of the price of a litre of fuel is tax anyway (I can't remember the exact percentage, it may even be over 80%). I'd rather pay a flat fee and be done with it - we do over 20k miles a year.

So, I buy a car and pay tax on it (VAT). I then pay more tax on it to put it on the public road (road fund licence). I have to insure the car as this is a legal requirement too and the government charges me tax on this as well (Insurance premium tax). In order to drive the car I put fuel in which is taxed at the highest rate in Europe. And if I have the gall to go to London, I'd pay the congestion charge (otherwise known as Uncle Ken's I-Hate-Cars-Especially-Big-Ones tax)if I wanted to drive within the newly enlarged C-zone.

Thank heavens all these taxes go to fund our top-class education system, BUPA-rivalling national health service and a superb Police force, as well as allowing us to drive on unquestionably the best, most uncongested and well maintained roads in the civilised world. I mean lets face it, if it didn't I'd be well peed off. Oh, hang on...

[Chrislong]

(otherwise known as Uncle Ken's I-Hate-Cars-Especially-Big-Ones tax)

A friend of mine went into London a few weeks ago on business, the place he visited was just outside the charge zone and being an outsider, got a bit lost and wasn't sure if he entered the charge zone.

Rang the number, spoke to a lady and asked if they log number plates and if they can tell him if he needs to pay. "No, can't do that"

So what if I might have entered, if I go and pay now on the same day but afterwards, is there a fine "No fine", but will you then refund it if I didn't enter the zone "No"

So what if I did enter the zone and haven't paid? "Get a fine". So why can;t you tell me if your database shows my car details as entering the zone?

I say - go and register your car as a Taxi for the year if your in that region, its cheap to do, free Congestion charge and no "need" to actually be a taxi.

[Chris Harte]

So, I buy a car and pay tax on it (VAT)


There is no VAT on the car... Well there is and there isn't.
VAT on a car is worked out on profit made by the dealer so you don't get directly charged VAT. Not going into detail as it will cause a riot.

[gramey]

Mine has pretty much doubled even for 08:mad:


I think it will be cheaper to pay the fine :cry:

:mad:Mine also goes from Band F to Band K and it's a bloody 1.8 VW Passat for heavens sake!
Beware of thinking it's cheaper to pay the fine, the ANPR system (Automatic Number Plate Reader) has become widespread throughout police forces as well as the DVLA since it's introduction for use on congestion charging in London. Go through an ANPR camera and get stopped and they have the power to seize your car. Costs vary but it's over £100.00 recovery fee, daily storage if you don't collect it straight away, plus the back tax. If you don't collect it within a set time they also have the power to crush it or sell it if it's worth something.
The CCTV cameras in the bigger towns are also linked to ANPR and clock the registration of every car going through them, George Orwell 1984 ring a bell?
Now of course this only applies to hard working, law abiding citizens as opposed to the low life benefit scrounging chav's of this world who don't bother to register, tax or insure their rust bucket death traps. They just run off and let them get seized knowing they're worth nothing and buy another £50.00 heap of crap from their local rag.:mad:

[frogger]

Mine will be £950 in 2010! :thumbsup:

[terry.sc]

Being someone who can't afford a fairly new car the tax for my 2 litre Renault Laguna goes up all of £15.:p

So those who can afford to buy a new car get hit the most. Like paying £950 in the first year for a big off roader is supposed to put you off buying a £40,000 car. :lol:

Simplest solution is to buy something older, especially something built before 2001, you also lose hardly any depreciation at all.

suggest you don't vote labour and get them out.Remember the highest fuel duty we have ever paid was when the tories were in power, they are all as bad as each other. Duty has been dropping as a percentage ever since, most of the fuel costs is due to the oil companies, and they are all struggling to survive aren't they.:mad:

At least we can be thankful we don't live in the Netherlands - petrol is £1.20 a litre, 19% vat and income tax reaching 52%:cry:

[Chequered Flag Racing]

mine goes from £120 to £125. fairly happy with that!

I'm the same for 2008 with a 05 Passat 1.9 TDi going from C to F and up £5 :D

& the Fiat Punto Hatchback (99-03) 1.2 ELX 5d she runs goes up from C to E and down £10 for 2009 & up £5 for 2010, but we'll have sold it by then.

[Southwell]

Mines going from £115 to £145, then £155! :mad:
How the hell can they justify this!
My car goes from a low band to bang g?

Suprisingly the more powerful car i looked at is going down to £110!
And looking at another car with exactly the same engine it's £125? What the hell?

This can't be right, a 120bhp diesel is more expensive than a 150bhp diesel?

The mrs 1.6 focus is going to £180!

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Mines going from £115 to £145, then £155! :mad:
How the hell can they justify this!


Emissions from the exhaust, plus the need for more tax to pay for kitchens @ £10k a pop for those that run the country :mad:

[Southwell]

Emissions from the exhaust, plus the need for more tax to pay for kitchens @ £10k a pop for those that run the country :mad:

Yeh i know they run off emissions now, but how can they hit you for another massive hike, don't they make enough off petrol tax?
Their just trying to price us into cheap crappy little cars, a 1.6tdci fiesta is going to be free! :confused: I really really don't wanna be driving one of them :lol:

[Slimboyfat]

My Impreza turbo (99 uk spec) is £185 a year for 2008 and 2009 and goes up to £210 in 2010. In comparison to what you guys are saying I can't complain really.


pretty good tool that Longy!

[Alfonzo]

Better get used to it guys. It's only going to get more and more expensive to run our motor's, and consume energy in general. Interesting times ahead. And as for the politicians, I'm no Tory - but let's not vote this lot in again :mad:

[Chrislong]

Hey OJ, I found some more useful websites aswell last night. My favourite one was a website where you can click on the band and it lists all the cars in it.

Band B is £35 to tax in 08, £30 in 09 and £35 in 2010. In Band B is a BMW 118diesel, 140bhp, registered after 1st Sept 07. This does 0-60 in 8.9 seconds and 62mpg. It'll have enough torque to slow the world!

Think I have found my next car, I will just take my Focus ST170 up to the end of £210 tax as I can't afford, and even if I could I wouldn;t justify £300 tax. At which point I will be due a car change anyway.

Chris

[Chequered Flag Racing]

New spec Ford Fiesta (http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/03_new-fiesta_web.jpg) that was featured on 5th Gear last night will be VED exempt due to low emissions http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif, but they'll find a way to tax it I'm sure:lol:

or but something over 25 years old as they are VED exempt I believe

[B&H Racing]

Chris have you got a link to that website,

I have gotta get myself other than my Zafira £550 tax Supercar :mad:

[Chrislong]

I do, but it is in my favourite at home. So I will link to it tonight - unless Lee Farrer is online today and can link to it, I sent him the link last night via MSN.

The new Fiesta does look good to be honest, id have one - which will mean the only Fiesta's I haven't had are the very first 2. I think the new one share the chassis with the new Volvo small hatchback. But im good with Band B - the BMW is a great car, always liked the 1 series.

[Southwell]

Whats the best, cheapest to run, newest and fastest car i can get for 5-6k?

[Lee]

Here you go chaps

http://www.vcacarfueldata.org.uk/index.asp

[Chrislong]

Thats the one, do a search by VED Band and then click on the blue values to show the list - then display all, or manufacturer.

It'd be interesting to see the most powerful car in each band. Although id expect those to be quite new and still quite expensive to buy.

[RogerM]

New spec Ford Fiesta (http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2008/03/03_new-fiesta_web.jpg) that was featured on 5th Gear last night will be VED exempt due to low emissions http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif, but they'll find a way to tax it I'm sure:lol:

or but something over 25 years old as they are VED exempt I believe


Your not quite correct on the 25 year old thing, it stopped being a rolling scale MANY years back!!!

The car must have been manufactured (not necessarily registered) before 1st of January 1973. I have 4 cars that fit that bill ......

[Doomanic]

I have 4 cars that fit that bill ......

And they all produce zero emissions!:lol:

[DCM]

Remember the highest fuel duty we have ever paid was when the tories were in power, they are all as bad as each other. Duty has been dropping as a percentage ever since, most of the fuel costs is due to the oil companies, and they are all struggling to survive aren't they.:mad:

you can still buy fuel cheaper than water.... and considering what it goes through before it gets to the pumps, it isn't bad.... it is the fact that the government still has you over the barrel and are due to stick another 2p tax on it (plus the added VAT that the 2p induces).

As for fuel, the Labour party weren't exactly keen to drop the Fuel Escelator that the Conservatives brought in..... and as a fact, when I started riding a motorbike, it was £1.65 a gallon. I also think that if they went back to measuring payment in gallons, it would shock more people, as a 2p tax hike would stick up petrol by 9p a gallon....

Just remember, as an owner of a vehicle, you are an easy cash cow for the chancellor.

[mark christopher]

There is no VAT on the car... Well there is and there isn't.
VAT on a car is worked out on profit made by the dealer so you don't get directly charged VAT. Not going into detail as it will cause a riot.
sorry but vat is paid in full on a new car
if retail is 11750 then 1750 is paid in vat to the goverment. buy it 6 months down the line and you loose that

vat is paid one vans etc the same but also if the company is vat registered then vat is paid when sold
just double checked with our NCS manager

[Lee]

I dont think its fair to blame the oil companies for the price of oil, the uk is still the cheapest place in the world to refine oil into whatever.

Since 1999 when i started driving the price of oil has gone up 9.5 times!!!, fuel at the pump has only gone up by about 60% this means the oil companies are taking a hit, in percentage terms.

Right now i am doing some work for maersk, they are converting 2 oil tankers, each at a cost of £100 million, these are expected to only be in service for 8 years:o Another hit.

There is also the fact that none of the oil that we buy in the uk comes form uk waters.

Its all from the CIS and Azeri etc etc This also means new platforms, shipping and also paying people more to get them to work out there.

[Chequered Flag Racing]

when I started riding a motorbike, it was £1.65 a gallon.

according to the AA it was 73.2p a GALLON or 16.1p a LITRE :thumbsup:

Tax (fuel duty) was introduced in 1909, suspended in 1919 (when car tax was introduced) and reintroduced in 1928. (http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf)

[showtime]

whichever way you look at it we're getting our trousers pulled down :thumbdown:


the last 4 days at Neo08 have been the only thing i've liked about this country for ages :rolleyes:

[Lee]

Totally agree, when i came back from the clash i was really depressed:lol: i think pidge and teddy were the same, everything about tampa was bigger and better and cheaper, we were talking to tim from JC and he was saying for about £80k he had a nice house and a bit of land, when i told him what i had for £300k he nearly choked:lol:

Even the women are hotter (and wetter;)):lol:

[DCM]

according to the AA it was 73.2p a GALLON or 16.1p a LITRE :thumbsup:

Tax (fuel duty) was introduced in 1909, suspended in 1919 (when car tax was introduced) and reintroduced in 1928. (http://www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices_1896_todate_gallons.pdf)

you must be older than me :woot:

[westie]

£15 a year for my 125 :D

westw00d

[losidan]

a few years ago our company had some partnership with a company based in the usa.

we had loads of people from the usa over for a few years and they couldnt believe the price of everything and cupboards we live in for the price we pay.

got to admit it...whichever way you look at it we get bent over and take in the proverbial

[gramey]

Totally agree, when i came back from the clash i was really depressed:lol: i think pidge and teddy were the same, everything about tampa was bigger and better and cheaper, we were talking to tim from JC and he was saying for about £80k he had a nice house and a bit of land, when i told him what i had for £300k he nearly choked:lol:

Even the women are hotter (and wetter;)):lol:

:eh?:Clearly you weren't there long enough, the vast majority of American women are grossly over weight and have faces like a bulldog licking a pi** covered thistle!
In the main the hot ones that you see are at events or locations where the promoters/owners know the benefits of 'eye candy' to their male customers.
A prime example is the female characters at Disney, not a minger in sight, then turn round and look at the fat ar*ed mothers dragging their kids around, theres the reality of the native female American.

Anyway I digress, looked at DCM's link and I was paying 49.6p a gallon for petrol when I got my first Yamaha 'Fizzie' back in 1974! Yeah I know how old that makes me, bloody ancient!!!http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gif

[DCM]

£1.75 a GALLON I paid in 1989, meant I filled up my 125 for £3.50

To put it into perspective, it would cost me £10 now to fill up, thats £6.50 more than in 1989

[franki]

the joys of a labour government I am afraid, which is billions of pounds in debt, got nothing else it can sell off, so will now bleed you dry..... suggest you don't vote labour and get them out.... you are now paying the largest percentage of earnings in the world in tax to them right at the moment, and it WILL get worse.

Go buy an older gas guzzler...

Very well said i cant understand how people are not doing anthing about Labour!!!!! There is also talk that they are going to reband Coucil tax so if you have off road parking or a nice view you will pay more even if you have a small house!!!

They also hand some knob on the radio the other day saying we are using to much water and we spend on average 7 mins a day in the shower and we need to cut this down to three what the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[franki]

sorry but vat is paid in full on a new car
if retail is 11750 then 1750 is paid in vat to the goverment. buy it 6 months down the line and you loose that

vat is paid one vans etc the same but also if the company is vat registered then vat is paid when sold
just double checked with our NCS manager

I was just going to put the same thing you do pay VAT on a new cars one of the things i do is finance for cars and it some thing that a lot of people complain about i would always go and buy a 6 month old demo if i had to buy my own

[DCM]

Very well said i cant understand how people are not doing anthing about Labour!!!!! There is also talk that they are going to reband Coucil tax so if you have off road parking or a nice view you will pay more even if you have a small house!!!

They also hand some knob on the radio the other day saying we are using to much water and we spend on average 7 mins a day in the shower and we need to cut this down to three what the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the current government have sold off the family china and gold and got bugger all esle to sell, so it borrows and is billions in debt, thats why the Cons have said no tax vuts for four years so they can at least pay off a good part of the debt.

We pay the hignest portion of out income in taxes in the EU..... stealth tax on everything too, you spend it they tax you..... even essential items of food, clothing and goods is now taxed and VAT, nothing left, but the biggest no no, the new Tax scales reward those earning over £16K and those earning less pay more, so the ones who can least afford to pay out more are hit, the more you earn, the less % you pay in total earnings.

So it isn't just car tax and duty on fuel, it is EVERYTHING....

[Lee]

How do you work that out, 23% or 40% is the same percentage regardless of the figure. The percentage doesnt alter just the sum you pay:confused:

[bondy]

if you need a big car then lets just all buy pre march 2001 cars ! that will bugger them, kinda defeats the object but hey ?

If they used all that tax money and built loads of hydrogen stations Like Arnie has in California then we could all buy none poluting cars ! But then they would loose all that tax money wouldnt they ? So they aint gonna bother until its too late ! :mad:

[Doomanic]

we spend on average 7 mins a day in the shower and we need to cut this down to three what the hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doesn't leave much time for washing!:lol:

[Doomanic]

How do you work that out, 23% or 40% is the same percentage regardless of the figure. The percentage doesnt alter just the sum you pay:confused:

There used to be a 10% bracket, now gone. The lowest earners now pay a higher proportion of their wages in tax.:thumbdown:

[DCM]

How do you work that out, 23% or 40% is the same percentage regardless of the figure. The percentage doesnt alter just the sum you pay:confused:

the BIG earners take dividends rather than a wage we is offset so their tax bill is far less of a percentage to someone on £15K a year, with a mortgage they can't afford and fuel bills going through the roof.

It is about time that people realise that the labour party are no longer a party for the people, the working family, they are a party for the wealthy and the immigrants. At least in Wales they have done some to relieve the burden by scrapping charges for prescriptions and stopping hospitals from charging to park there for appointments....

[Chrislong]

But what is the option, Conservative come out with contradictory policies as and when Labour come out with something not so pretty, but the top and bottom of it is - we'll get screwed over the same.

If they pulled the troops back home, then that would cut some massive government spending which they could reward back to the tax payers - but I recon they wouldn't do that, they are quick to tax us, slow to give anything back.

[DCM]

actually, historically, Labour Governments have always been bad for the country in their third term and always financialy bad, Cons are that same, but generaly better financialy, even if you dislike their policies.

If the troops are pulled back from Iraq, there won't be a big saving for 2 years as there will be a lot of postponed maintenance to catch up on, then the money not spent there could be used to pay off our debt to the world bank....

What pissed me off most about the Labour government is the smile and the stab in the back, they played holy hell with privitisation but carried it on at an increased rate when they took power, I was made redundant due to it. They have made life so expensive that for most people now, with a family, both parents HAVE to work, so you got to leave your kids with strangers, crime is through the roof, illegal immigration is to and that then has a knock on to the bennefits system, the NHS and councils.

Man I could go on for ages. I know things weren't to pretty under Maggie, but they were a far better time than now, we are made to feel like we got more, but how many of us are in big debt, I would guess a lot reading this would rather not tot up their debt.

[glypo]

Lets just leave the country, I will as soon as I can, and I know others are planning the same.

I'm fed up with it. Each country has its problems, just ours seems to be the most stupid ones.

[neil@domino.org]

the issue that needs to be resolved is the loop hole issue. I'm afraid to say I take advantage of a large number of loop holes. if they plugged them the country would be far better off.

The taxes on cars in my view are justifiable but pointless when you have China pumping out enough CO2 to wipe out any cuts we make and then some.

The main cost that needs sorting out though is the NHS. In my view the NHS is no where near value for money and some more privatisation is urgently needed.

[Chris Harte]

Just been walking back from town and all the cab drivers in stockton are throwing a protest in their cars blocking the busy main road of Yarm Lane. They have a huge banner saying No to 65% car tax.
It was kind of amusing to see them all drive down the road one cab after another. I didn't know there was so many of them. :D
Anyhow it will be on the news tonight hopefully. The camera crew where there.

[DCM]

The main cost that needs sorting out though is the NHS. In my view the NHS is no where near value for money and some more privatisation is urgently needed.

disagree there, the way the NHS is funded and staffed is what is wrong, instead of having a lump sum payment of a budget, limit the budget for a department and have the NHS pay per treatment, that would slim things down and speed up service.

[wacattack]

well mine goes up from 185, to 200, cant complain about that!!

The future is bright, the future is lotus, lightweight, medium engine = high performance with low CO2 emissions.

[gramey]

The main cost that needs sorting out though is the NHS. In my view the NHS is no where near value for money and some more privatisation is urgently needed.

http://www.oople.com/forums/images/icons/icon7.gifWhatever the shortcomings of the NHS, or the Education service, both reportedly received £1.9 billion less each last year while the MOD spent an extra £4.5 billion. I'm not sure how much of that money was for front line warfare and how much was for compensation to those who, having joined the army to travel to far off lands & kill foreign people, have been traumatised by their experience. Apparently in this day and age you don't join the army expecting to be injured or see others killed or injured.

I'm sure that the next thing is that the police, fire service, ambulance service and hospital staff will be entitled to compensation for dealing with casualities from assualts, collisions etc. After all you don't join any of those expecting to have to deal with dismembered torso's, lengths of crash barrier through a car drivers head, people kicked so badly they're not recognisable as human beings do you?

Strangely common sense still seems to hold sway in these services and it hasn't happened yet, otherwise our car taxes would have to go up even more!:D