BRCA 8th Electric Buggy Nats

[telboy]

So now that they're including the E-buggies in the Truggy national series, Who is going to do them?

I'm booked in. :) Just need to sort the car and get some testing done. :)

:thumbsup:

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[Nas]

I would have gone, but EXAMS :mad::mad:.

[JabberingJimbo]

I would have gone, but EXAMS :mad::mad:.

What for the whole summer...bummer.

All booked in for both classes :woot:

[MHeadling]

I'm planning to do the Kent round with my 8e (see pics in 8th elec section)

Need to do some testing too! May go for a play at Fairlop to test run times/gearing etc

[eyeayen]

I would have gone, but EXAMS :mad::mad:.

You have seen the dates haven't you ? You could make it to a couple of these...

Herts HNMC on 6th of May
http://www.hertsnitromodelclub.co.uk/

Kent on the 10th June
http://www.kmrc.co.uk/

Coventry on 8th July
http://www.cmcc-online.co.uk/home/

Deerdale on the 12 August
http://www.deerdaleoffroad.com/Home.html

[unseenmagik]

Im all booked in for all 4 rounds

[Neil Skull]

How do you book in??
I had a look on BRCA and it only shows truggy option!

[unseenmagik]

How do you book in??
I had a look on BRCA and it only shows truggy option!

Here is the link.

http://www.brca.org/?q=catalog/95

Yes click on the Truggy Link and th Buggy entries are at the bottom.
The Title should be changed to Truggy & E-Buggy really

[Neil Skull]

Thanks for that ;)

[MHeadling]

Some ones got an MP9e to play with!..............

[Neil Skull]

Not exactly SHerlock Holmes Mark LOL!!!:p

[MHeadling]

Oh I wonder what it is your going to run at the Nationals... :confused:

Post up some pics of your ride in the Elec 8th section dude, I bet the brand begins with a K and ends in a O! :woot:

[Nas]

You have seen the dates haven't you ? You could make it to a couple of these...

Herts HNMC on 6th of May
http://www.hertsnitromodelclub.co.uk/

Kent on the 10th June
http://www.kmrc.co.uk/

Coventry on 8th July
http://www.cmcc-online.co.uk/home/

Deerdale on the 12 August
http://www.deerdaleoffroad.com/Home.html

I can only go to the one in Herts as its the nearest one to me,but i cant due to exams, all the others are too far away.

[Nas]

Does anyone know how long a round of qualifying will be and a round of final?

Thanks.

[unseenmagik]

Does anyone know how long a round of qualifying will be and a round of final?

Thanks.

Talks are 6 min Qualifying and 15 min finals
Nothing has been confirmed todate.

[Nas]

That sounds pretty reasonable.

[jasonwipf]

Well Its going to be what its going to be at the nats. But I'll give you guys a little insight to whats happening on the other side of the pond over the last 5 years in Ebuggy. Most big races or series are doing 10min AA or AAA mains with 7 min quals. Why? more run time and consistency on packs. If they are cramped on time they only do 2 quals and you only lose 1min of run time (2x7min quals=14min vs. 3x5min quals=15min)

We started out doing 5 min quals with 15-20min mains, But people kept dying or running out of juice. Some would use smaller 2650mah packs to be light and quick in the quals and big 6000+mah packs for the mains but then there set ups were not consistent as you gained so much weight and you ended up with tones of expensive packs. Now that all races are either 7 or 10min you can get one medium light pack and finish any race (4000mah is becoming popular) and they are cheaper. Since they are lighter too your tires wear less and the force of a crash is less so arms brake less often. (yes we have actually noticed this in extreme examples where someone uses 2650mah all the time and another same car and driver skill uses 6000mah)

I'm really loving our bigger races that do AAAmins 10min each cuz now we get longer main run-time like the nitros and since they count your best 2 out of 3 you can actually bust a part come in last once and still make podium if your other 2 runs are good. Sweet!

Even nitros like the new 7min quals because since the goal is to pit less in the mains, having 7min nitro quals (with no pit) forces you to have at least 8 to 8.5min of run time (warm up laps and finishing your last lap) which makes you tune better and be more competitive in the mains compared to other clubs or regions of the country that are used to 5min quals and pit every 5min during a 30 or 60min main. Many of our Nitro races regularly get 10min to as much as 14min of run time per tank. When our guys pit at 10min vs. a club thats is used to 5min pits in a 60min race that can be a whole lap worth of advantage. Not to mention a cheaper nitro bill.

Well good luck to those going!

[markymark.27]

Im just converting my spare Nitro Xray 808 to Electric and will be racing it at KMRC and Fairlop. I'm just not sure if the Lipo life will last the 20min finals?

[eyeayen]

Speak to Nasir on here, he runs an AE8.2 electric with Tekin stuff and gets 20 minutes if he drives well, then in the bump up he gets into races with faster drivers, gives it too much throttle and usually runs out on the last lap on the 20 minute final. That's at slough, I don't know how it compares to where you're racing but I reckon 20 minutes are do-able if you don't go full throttle all the time !

[Nas]

Ian is very much correct.

Markymark.27:

Hi

I run turnigy 4500mah 35c battery's, and i have my Tekin system set to the 'medium setting',meaning power output will be half of the maximum,it runs pretty long and i don't temperature issues, in fact after a full 20m final its kind of cool.If i wanted longer run time's i could set the settings lower,but i think its perfect at the moment.

Now your wondering if your battery's will last for 20 minutes, that's a good question. Yes and No. If you drive like Jeremy Clarkson then no,driving fast is not the key!, drive more like James May,sensibly remember this, you will not come in for a pit stop,were as the nitro's will , and your time will equal with the nitro's because you'll be driving slower than usual. Now, i'm not saying drive REALLY slow i'm saying drive sensibly, The problem i had in my first couple of races was that when i bumped up i thought 'these guys look pretty good'. POWER!!!,but that got me nowhere,so take it easy,relax and stay calm when driving. My battery's finished 30 seconds before the end of my final,which i found a bit annoying...

However during qualifying there is no problem as their 7 minutes long mostly,but i still say its not about the speed, it mostly about corners and jumps, electric cars act quite differently to nitro's due to weight difference etc and when i made my move from Nitro to electric it took some time getting used to it.

One thing i feel i most say is that it various for all different tracks and temperatures,if its a nice cold day the system will run cooler=meaning more run time(not dramatically noticeable)but still more,if its a very hot day like today it will run warmer meaning it will produce a waste product=heat!, and heat reduces the time of the battery life.

Hope that helps.

Thanks.

[markymark.27]

Thats brilliant help thankyou :thumbsup: I normally run the Xray 808 Nitro but I picked up a Second hand 808 in need of a rebuild so thought I would convert it and give Electric 1/8th a bash. I run 1/10 Electric off road too. As for the Battery life, well, at Fairlop rc the finals are 20 mins and there is only 1 Electric buggy there who struggles to last the finals. However, I have read that for the 4 National meetings they are going to shorten the finals to cater for the battery life. So it is only fairlop rc that may be a problem but after reading your advise I now think I know what to do... Be a captain slow for a while lol. Just hope I can remember that when I have 5 or so crazy fast draiver up my rear end lol.
Anyway thankyou again for your help and advise, It is very much appreciated.

Mark :D

[SOSx]

So what are the numbers looking like for this at the moment?
Me and 2 friends may well be interested in running in the Elec buggy.
I would like to run my electric truggy as well but am still unsure if thats possible due to confussion over whether they are running with the elec buggies or nitro truggies or their own? if on there own or with the nitro I will run that aswell.

[Ross]

So what are the numbers looking like for this at the moment?
Me and 2 friends may well be interested in running in the Elec buggy.
I would like to run my electric truggy as well but am still unsure if thats possible due to confussion over whether they are running with the elec buggies or nitro truggies or their own? if on there own or with the nitro I will run that aswell.

There seems to be plenty of ebuggys booked in. I cant see the etruggys running with them, they will be in with the nitro truggys.

[2FAST4U]

Does anybody know if there are spaces available for the 1/8th brushless buggy national series this weekend?
I've wangled the weekend off and fancy running my Losi against other brushless buggys..

Thanks
Paul

[mikeyscott]

Some ones got an MP9e to play with!..............

ooo tempting

[Ross]

Does anybody know if there are spaces available for the 1/8th brushless buggy national series this weekend?
I've wangled the weekend off and fancy running my Losi against other brushless buggys..

Thanks
Paul

Yes fella, im sure theres plenty of room.

have a look over on MaxBashing for the updated thread.

[telboy]

So what are the numbers looking like for this at the moment?
Me and 2 friends may well be interested in running in the Elec buggy.
I would like to run my electric truggy as well but am still unsure if thats possible due to confussion over whether they are running with the elec buggies or nitro truggies or their own? if on there own or with the nitro I will run that aswell.

think theres 27 booked in so far, so still plenty of space to throw some more in. :)

[madonrc]

ive got i serpent electric buggy S811BE for sale if so one wants a car to play with i will be there at the weekend. The car is ready for racing.

[telboy]

If you didn't go to the national yesterday then you missed out on an awesome day! :) some excellent racing from some of the countries top 10th buggy and nitro buggy drivers! To see full heats of these cars blasting round the track was at first a bit wierd but it was great to see them racing closely and all without the need for pitmen! :D

If you have an electric8th scale and want to race it properly then get it dusted off and book in to the rest of the series. And don't worry if it's not a top end pro kit! HPI took two RTR's and both made the A final! :)

[Yardeeee]

Are the results posted/going to be posted anywhere guys?

[telboy]

http://www.deerdaleoffroad.com/BRCA_Results/index.htm

You should come and have a go Yardy.

:)

15min finals on sunday, 5000mah cells - B final (dry) took 5023 out and the A final (half wet) 4496. So it was an 'only just'er for the B but looks like I could've pushed a lot harder in the A.

[Ben Turner]

Looks like it was a close final! Any video of it about??

[telboy]

Not sure.
It did seem close. Being in there it was difficult to keep track, but the top three all lapped me pretty much together. but then on the last lap there was lots of cheering etc. from trackside so not sure if someone had water in electrics or if someone was dumping, but something was happening. :D

A great day and lots of fun. Well worth a go if you have an EL-8.

[noreargrip]

thinking of starting 1/8 electric...is there any guidelines of what batteries can be used?....or is it the 1/10 battery list everyone is going by?...also what size,power of motor ...I'm in Ireland and there is a few cars starting to show...but nobody seems to have any real regulation to go with except we know to run 4s lipos...any info appreciated...cheers

[Ross]

thinking of starting 1/8 electric...is there any guidelines of what batteries can be used?....or is it the 1/10 battery list everyone is going by?...also what size,power of motor ...I'm in Ireland and there is a few cars starting to show...but nobody seems to have any real regulation to go with except we know to run 4s lipos...any info appreciated...cheers

The 1/8 Rally X cars are limited to 4s, there's no restrictions to motor or battery make this year. Next year there will probably a list of battery's, not sure on motors.

1/8 truggy has no limitations

[telboy]

If you look in the post above at the times and mah usage I got out of a pack of 5000's, that was with a 2200kv motor. So I think that is the limit on the lowest mah to use. 15 min finals were just about do-able.

Battery wise, I think its pretty much a 'community' thing to go with hardcase LiPo's as nothing is set in stone this year as it is an experimental year so to speak. :)

[telboy]

Just a quick update on the national series.

The series is currently being led by Ben Cosgrove running an HPI Trophy RTR. HPI got a great RTR 1-2-3 last time out at deerdale.

http://www.deerdaleoffroad.com/BRCA_Results/ser3/series.htm

I wasn't expecting my 5000 cells to last on the astroturf but surprisingly it took less out than the dirt tracks and 15 mins was achieved easily.

Its good to see such a mixture of cars on track and the results just go to show that you don't need a mega-bucks pro race chassis to compete at the front.

We run the standard HPI RTR Flux systems that come in the kits and I currently run some £40 5000mah Turnigy cells. So if anyone is a little bit unsure of wether to compete in this series next year, don't worry. The 8th nationals can be done on a budget competetively.

Hopefully next year will see larger numbers and more works drivers showing intrest.

There's one more round to go which is a re-run of the cancelled Coventry round which is on the 30th sept. So if you have an elec 8th and want to race it, get booked in or if you don't have one, come and have a look and see what you're missing. :)

[MHeadling]

Cheers for the update Tel and great to see an RTR car leading the championship

Out of interest what gearing are you running?? Spur and pinion??

[dave-p]

Mark ,graham alsop tq,d and won the a final at Deerdale national and I am sure it was a rtr hpi he was running.

[joker]

how can you enter the rerun meeting at cov? do you just book in on the brca wed site under the round 3 meeting or is there another way

[Ross]

Mark ,graham alsop tq,d and won the a final at Deerdale national and I am sure it was a rtr hpi he was running.

I think it was RTR less things like the servo and Rx

how can you enter the rerun meeting at cov? do you just book in on the brca wed site under the round 3 meeting or is there another way

Yes you can, or if your a member on maxbashing you can add your details to the national thread and Chaz will book you in.

[telboy]

Yeah obviously the racers are always going to replace the standard steerwheel radio for their prefered radio, but other than that it was Trophy Flux that G ran, with another Trophy (ben) and a Vorza(john holmes) finishing 1,2,3. :)

I'm currently running the standard gearing that comes in the Vorza, not changed anything. John Holmes ran a larger pinion in his Vorza, think it was a 20t (and min is 15 I think) and johns was only a touch quicker at the middle of the straight.