Hex wheel conversion for AE vehicles

[Richard Lowe]

A few people are a bit unsure what parts are needed to do this, so I thought I'd create a new thread about it instead of going off topic in others :)

Parts needed for the B4/4.1

Steering blocks - AE part #9880 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9880/
Axles - AE part #7496 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/7496/
Front hex - JConcepts part #2135 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=538
Rear hex - JConcepts part #2091 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=524

(You can also get AE part #7497 which will get you all 4 hex's in plastic)

Finally the wheels themselves, a choice of Proline or JConcepts...

Proline front - #2735-04 (white), #2735-02 (yellow)
Proline rear - #2736-04 (white), #2736-02 (yellow)
JConcepts front - #3347 (white or yellow)
JConcepts rear - #3348 (white or yellow)

The hex conversion gives you the same fitment and offset as the Kyosho RB5, so any wheels compatible with that car should fit, the TLR22 rear is the same too :)

B44 style front wheels won't fit on the front, the offset is wrong and the car will be much too narrow.


Parts needed for the SC10

Steering blocks - AE part #9880 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9880/
Axles - AE part #9881 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9881/
Front hex - JConcepts part #2134 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=537
Rear hex - JConcepts part #2081 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=470

Loads of SC hex wheels around with different offsets, the hex conversion makes the SC10 the same fitment and offset as the SC10 4x4 so any wheels that work for the 4wd will fit the converted 2wd :)

[Richard Lowe]

Pictures of the hex conversion fitted to my Centro

Front
http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5306/fronthex.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/856/fronthex.jpg/)

Rear
http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/8827/rearhex.th.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/194/rearhex.jpg/)

[ian20thatsme]

would b44 wheels fit on the front of c4.1

[jaysllim]

Can I just ask is there any benifit to doing the hex conversion,im not knocking it im just asking for my own benefit of knowing,thats all dude

[Hog]

Certainly going to convert my SC10 over to hex before much longer. The main reason for me is so that I can swap front and rear wheels around to even out the tyre wear.

Yes it means an initial outlay and buying new rims too but that will be recovered in extended tyre life and not having to buy 2 sets of rears for every set of fronts.

Can't see that much of an advantage on a 2wd buggy though - obviously on the SC10 front and rear wheel sizes are the same.

Thanks to Rich for supplying all the part numbers!

[Richard Lowe]

44 front wheels won't fit as the offset is totally wrong.

The advantages are that the bearings are in the hub, so no chance of loosing them when changing wheels. They are a bit better protected from the elements so should last longer, you can use the same wheelnuts and nut driver for all four wheels. On the rear the pins are captive in the hex so you can use the stronger solid pins and not worry about them falling out when you change wheels :)

Also blue front wheelnuts look ace :wub :lol:

[Wacker 2]

One of the main benefits I see is that the bearings are not being pushed in and out of the wheels constantly... I've noticed with previous B4's that the bearing housing in the wheel gets 'loose' and causes quite a lot of play in the front steering.

Having the bearings in the hubs like the old losi XXX is a much better way of doing it as its a lot more constant and like the previous post said it should make the bearing last longer as they're more protected from the elements.

[tyreman]

What are the 2/54 screws in the back of the wishbone for??

[MattADH]

For an anti-roll bar mounting...

[gazhillAE]

A few people are a bit unsure what parts are needed to do this, so I thought I'd create a new thread about it instead of going off topic in others :)

Parts needed for the B4/4.1

Steering blocks - AE part #9880 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9880/
Axles - AE part #7496 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/7496/
Front hex - JConcepts part #2135 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=538
Rear hex - JConcepts part #2091 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=524

(You can also get AE part #7497 which will get you all 4 hex's in plastic)

Finally the wheels themselves, a choice of Proline or JConcepts...

Proline front - #2735-04 (white), #2735-02 (yellow)
Proline rear - #2736-04 (white), #2736-02 (yellow)
JConcepts front - #3347 (white or yellow)
JConcepts rear - #3348 (white or yellow)

The hex conversion gives you the same fitment and offset as the Kyosho RB5, so any wheels compatible with that car should fit, the TLR22 rear is the same too :)

B44 style front wheels won't fit on the front, the offset is wrong and the car will be much too narrow.


Parts needed for the SC10

Steering blocks - AE part #9880 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9880/
Axles - AE part #9881 http://www.teamassociated.com/parts/details/9881/
Front hex - JConcepts part #2134 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=537
Rear hex - JConcepts part #2081 http://www.jconcepts.net/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=5_56&products_id=470

Loads of SC hex wheels around with different offsets, the hex conversion makes the SC10 the same fitment and offset as the SC10 4x4 so any wheels that work for the 4wd will fit the converted 2wd :)

Thanks bud
I've got most of this stuff already now but the AE7497 4x plastic ones in the pack, are these not needed if I'm using the jconcepts ones?
If there not I've wasted my money :thumbdown:

[Richard Lowe]

Thanks bud
I've got most of this stuff already now but the AE7497 4x plastic ones in the pack, are these not needed if I'm using the jconcepts ones?
If there not I've wasted my money :thumbdown:
Nope if you have the JC front and rear hex's you don't need AE #7497.

[gazhillAE]

Nope if you have the JC front and rear hex's you don't need AE #7497.

Rich

On the axles theres a c clip!
Does it go on outer whole near thread (do inside carriers) or on the inner one between bearing and end of axles???

Cheers bud

[RC_NILLE]

On the axles theres a c clip!
Does it go on outer whole near thread (do inside carriers) or on the inner one between bearing and end of axles???

[Wacker 2]

Im in the UK and am really struggling to find the parts available in the shops to convert my new C4.1 to hex drive.

I'd ideally like the Jconcepts blue hex's but the standard push fit associated ones would do for now... but cant find anywhere that has the axles, the steering arms or the hex's in stock.

Also the Jconcepts wheels are proving more than difficult to find :(

My C4.1 id brand new so I've gotta get a good back up of wheels and tyres but dont really wanna buy a load of the standard B4 wheels and then change to the hex at a later date - not cost effective! I'd much rather just buy a job lot of the new Jconcepts Mono wheels from the start.

Can anybody offer any suggestions as to where I can get the bits from that may have them in stock???

[Berky]

JConcepts has appointed a new distributor recently - XFactory.

They are expecting their first shipment of 'stuff' any day now so we should be able to get the cool JC stuff any day now! :thumbsup::thumbsup:

I am sure Darren from XFactory will probably respond too regarding the JC stuff.

Any hobby shop who deals with CML should be able to the associated bits within a couple of days if CML have them in stock.

[zoaman]

i would like to know if the steering block comes with fitted bearings or are they the same size as the trailing front wheels bearings.?:confused:

[MiCk B.]

You'll need to supply bearings, but they are the same size as B4 front wheel bearings.

Pro-line also do hexes as well.

http://msdmodels.ie/zencart/images/6076-00.jpg

Part number: 6076-00

MiCk B. :-)

[gazhillAE]

On the axles theres a c clip!
Does it go on outer whole near thread (do inside carriers) or on the inner one between bearing and end of axles???

Outer hole half way down the axle

[zoaman]

as previous post who sells them in the uk? it states that x factory will but they are us or am i wrong as they sell in $???? so bit confused on that 1.

[Darren Boyle]

Im in the UK and am really struggling to find the parts available in the shops to convert my new C4.1 to hex drive.

I'd ideally like the Jconcepts blue hex's but the standard push fit associated ones would do for now... but cant find anywhere that has the axles, the steering arms or the hex's in stock.

Also the Jconcepts wheels are proving more than difficult to find :(

My C4.1 id brand new so I've gotta get a good back up of wheels and tyres but dont really wanna buy a load of the standard B4 wheels and then change to the hex at a later date - not cost effective! I'd much rather just buy a job lot of the new Jconcepts Mono wheels from the start.

Can anybody offer any suggestions as to where I can get the bits from that may have them in stock???

The Mono wheels had never been brought in by SMD previous, so you will not find anyone with stock here in the UK at present, However as of this weekend every dealer who deals with X-Factory UK is now armed with our UK Trade Price list and is able to order anything you wish "JConcpets" in for you. Any items ordered this week are being added to our first shipping order, so get some ordered up ASAP if you can to have them included....

[Darren Boyle]

as previous post who sells them in the uk? it states that x factory will but they are us or am i wrong as they sell in $???? so bit confused on that 1.

It is our company X-Factory UK that is the importer for over here, this is not "X-Factory" from the US, we are simply the importer and distributor for over here, and we happen to import both X-Factory (hence our name) and now of course JConcepts as well as all the other fantastic brands we carry too... Please click on our banner advert at the top of every oOple page to go straight to our website where you will be able to see all of our UK dealers who will all be glad to help you out......

[Hog]

Darren - will you have the JConcepts clamping wheel hexes in for the SC10 conversion? Can't see them on the DMS website. Part numbers are as per Rich Lowe's first post in this thread.

Thanks.

[Wacker 2]

Darren - will you have the JConcepts clamping wheel hexes in for the SC10 conversion? Can't see them on the DMS website. Part numbers are as per Rich Lowe's first post in this thread.

Thanks.


... and the JConcepts Mono wheels??

[Darren Boyle]

Darren - will you have the JConcepts clamping wheel hexes in for the SC10 conversion? Can't see them on the DMS website. Part numbers are as per Rich Lowe's first post in this thread.

Thanks.

Yes we will indeed, we will be carrying "everything" from JConcepts, but as with most things this will take time to build the stock levels up based on popularity etc. We are concentrating with the first shipemnt on getting in ALL of the newest items we have never seen in the UK as well as anything else that is pre-ordered by customers or dealers. Future orders will then concenetrate on stocking up on all the fabulous exsiting bodeis, wheel, tires etc in the range....

For now the "only" items on both our DMS and XF UK websites are those that are here and in stock already, the new stock and rest of the range will be being added shortly.

[Darren Boyle]

... and the JConcepts Mono wheels??

As per my reply above really, the Mono wheels are a new item (never before seen in the UK) and are included in our first order. However, as I have stressed, please ensure you get them pre-ordered with your local dealer so as we can ensure we have enough on order for the first delivery to cover everyones needs. We have estimated quantities on all the popular lines, but it is a great help to us all if we know in advance for certain what each dealer (or individual customer) requires so we can get the stock levels as accurate as possible from the off....

[Hog]

If the JConcepts SC10 clamping hex's aren't available yet in the UK, are there any alternatives? Wasn't sure on the thickness of the front and rear hex's.

For example - would these

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390400714765?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649#ht_2007wt_871

fit the 2WD SC10 conversion, and are they available in the UK?

[Hog]

Can't even locate the JConcepts hex's in the US very easily. Those I have found are proving to be not worth the bother due to postage costs.

Any thoughts on my post above re the SC10 4x4 hex's?

[Berky]

Can't even locate the JConcepts hex's in the US very easily. Those I have found are proving to be not worth the bother due to postage costs.

Any thoughts on my post above re the SC10 4x4 hex's?

I have had a look and most of the US hobby shops do have them - Amainhobbies has them in stock but postage costs kill the idea.
Part numbers are normally the problem - the US lists them slightly differently.
As far as i know the SC10 4x4 hexes are not compatible on the 2wd version.
If my memory serves me correct the SC10 is imperial & SC10 4x4 is metric so that could be why the incompatibility.

[Hog]

Thanks Paul.

The plastic hex's are 5mm thick front, and 7mm thick rear, but I noticed last night once the wheel nuts are on (using narrow nuts on the front) that there's a fair amount of thread left on the front and not much on the rear.

I've found some aftermarket ones off fleabay which are 6mm thick which should fit so I'm going to give those a try. The only others I'd located - 2 separate sets (1 @5mm and 1 @ 7mm) had an internal diameter of 5mm, and the AE axles are approx 4.7mm, so the hex's wouldn't clamp tight.

[gazhillAE]

I have had a look and most of the US hobby shops do have them - Amainhobbies has them in stock but postage costs kill the idea.
Part numbers are normally the problem - the US lists them slightly differently.
As far as i know the SC10 4x4 hexes are not compatible on the 2wd version.
If my memory serves me correct the SC10 is imperial & SC10 4x4 is metric so that could be why the incompatibility.

Philshobbieshop or what ever it is worked for me!
Jconepts charge way too much for delivery
Think I paid about £50 inc postage for 4 cars worth

Gaz

[Hog]

@ DMS Darren - don't suppose you have a timeframe for getting these in stock?

[Darren Boyle]

@ DMS Darren - don't suppose you have a timeframe for getting these in stock?

Waiting for a confirmation from JConcepts shorlty which will confirm the contents of a pending shipment we have on the way from them.

[Hog]

Okay cool thanks

[colmo]

Thanks Paul.

The plastic hex's are 5mm thick front, and 7mm thick rear, but I noticed last night once the wheel nuts are on (using narrow nuts on the front) that there's a fair amount of thread left on the front and not much on the rear.

I've found some aftermarket ones off fleabay which are 6mm thick which should fit so I'm going to give those a try. The only others I'd located - 2 separate sets (1 @5mm and 1 @ 7mm) had an internal diameter of 5mm, and the AE axles are approx 4.7mm, so the hex's wouldn't clamp tight.

If looking for hexes on imperial axles, look for TC3/NTC3 and XXX-S hexes. I'm guessing that touring cars standardised on 12mm wheels after those cars came into production.

[Hog]

Wasn't sure how thick the TC hex's were. Got to be a minimum 5mm for the fronts of the SC10 conversion or else there could be binding issues.

[Hog]

TC5 hex's arrived from Fleabay today. Fit a treat and very secure. Just means the rear track is a few mm narrower than with the stock 7mm hex's but no real issue.