Rogers Regional Poll

[MikePimlott]

Please explain your reason for picking your option.

[DanW]

2WD / 4WD on same day but drivers can only enter one class per event.

That would limit numbers and open up places without having to change calendars.

Seperate days for seperate classes is good for drivers wanting to do regionals, but has a negative impact on regular club calendars / attendances for the host clubs.

[budfish]

I picked separate Sunday's because I only drive 4wd so chances are it would be a shorter day with plenty of places for everyone who wants to race. But I'm not sure how it would effect club numbers

[Alan Reeves]

I picked seperate Sundays as I have two mates who wanted to enter the series this year that are not booked in for Southport, so it'd be good if there were more places made available :thumbsup:

[Tom3012]

2WD / 4WD on same day but drivers can only enter one class per event.

That would limit numbers and open up places without having to change calendars.

Seperate days for seperate classes is good for drivers wanting to do regionals, but has a negative impact on regular club calendars / attendances for the host clubs.

+1 :)

[DanW]

I picked separate Sunday's because I only drive 4wd so chances are it would be a shorter day with plenty of places for everyone who wants to race. But I'm not sure how it would effect club numbers

Lets assume 3 clubs hosting with an even share of events

When classes are run on one day format, when club is running a regional the other two clubs are closed at the moment. So thats 4 closed days due to regionals for each club.

For the seperate sundays format we get 12 events each club hosting 4. That means 8 closed (or low attendace days) for each club due to regionals.

The region has too many drivers for the one day format, but not enough drivers to support a two day format AND keep three clubs well attended.

[pugboy]

I reckon you need to have at least one extra date for each class if not two cause if each class is 3 out of 3 scoring and you are away for one you're bollocksed. So like mid west should be perhaps 3 from 5 in each or 3 from 4. So 10 or 8 sundays total.

[DanW]

I've voted "OTHER" to represent 2WD / 4WD same day restricted to one class per driver.

[budfish]

Lets assume 3 clubs hosting with an even share of events

When classes are run on one day format, when club is running a regional the other two clubs are closed at the moment. So thats 4 closed days due to regionals for each club.

For the seperate sundays format we get 12 events each club hosting 4. That means 8 closed (or low attendace days) for each club due to regionals.

The region has too many drivers for the one day format, but not enough drivers to support a two day format AND keep three clubs well attended.

I know what you mean there dan it was niggleing me that effectively our club would be closed for other clubs regionals twice as much as it is in its current format.

Bury metro can and has put club meets on and still get 60 drivers when say southports regionals have been ran on the same day due to the amount of younger drivers and the added sc class

[johnnygibbon]

Sat 2wd Sunday 4wd alternating year to year So even if you've only got Sundays free you will still be able to race your chosen class in a regional once every 2 years so it's fair all round and means we get a full weekend of racing To
Excellent

[The race controller]

Most of our current members want to race EVERY week so I'm for opening while Regionals are on at other clubs...........Like the old days.
............And yes I am old.

[budfish]

I reckon you need to have at least one extra date for each class if not two cause if each class is 3 out of 3 scoring and you are away for one you're bollocksed. So like mid west should be perhaps 3 from 5 in each or 3 from 4. So 10 or 8 sundays total.

Well due to the well thought out 2012 calendar I would have missed Kendal and batley 6th and 20th of may 2 north west regionals in 1 two week period!!! Clever

[The race controller]

Well due to the well thought out 2012 calendar I would have missed Kendal and batley 6th and 20th of may 2 north west regionals in 1 two week period!!! Clever

There's currently a week between each.

[burgie]

Well, here's a thought budfish, and the others who like to criticise without offering help;

Stop moaning, get in touch with woody and offer to setup a nw regional committee with him. Sit on that committee and do something constructive.

[budfish]

If I thought people would take me seriously I would.

[bigred5765]

seperate sundays for regionals,
get someone else to run club for people that wana do a club day,

[gazhillAE]

Both same day
And only people who live in the north west!
As per a couple of years ago!
Only one class per meeting also!

[Oscar]

I haven't voted yet, because I think other points affect how I would vote.

How many entries are from people completing the required minimum of rounds? Is the series over subscribed with people doing 1 , 2 or 3 rounds, and therefore being effectively irrelevant to the "Series".

My personal outlook is that the regional SERIES is there for the interested drivers to attain a BRCA grading from F2-F4 (F5 being assigned regardless). Therefore the series should cater firstly for drivers willing to compete to attain the above grades through committing to the required events.

I think this is a good argument to give preference to the individuals that fall into the above criteria. Whilst this may be controversial, I believe that means any current F1 drivers should also be considered to have a lower priority than the drivers trying to achieve a formula via the regional series.

[themyster]

I think that seperate sundays would be better, so we may only get 8 or 9 heats in 2wd or 6 or 7 in 4wd but at least for those that have to travel for 2 or more hours will get home at better time on a sunday evening and it would of course give those drivers that normley do both classes on the same day a more relaxed day.
Well thats my opinion. I'm Mike Bradbury if anyone was wondering....

[bigred5765]

2WD / 4WD on same day but drivers can only enter one class per event.

That would limit numbers and open up places without having to change calendars.

Seperate days for seperate classes is good for drivers wanting to do regionals, but has a negative impact on regular club calendars / attendances for the host clubs.

i dont think it would
you can run regional and non scoring on same day
4wd had 87 booked in leaving 30 40 places for non count club racers

[carpenterdean]

i clicked 2wd and 4wd on same day as is, however i supose i should have clicked other as i agree with others and think 2wd and 4wd on same day but one class per driver:thumbsup:

[themyster]

I haven't voted yet, because I think other points affect how I would vote.

How many entries are from people completing the required minimum of rounds? Is the series over subscribed with people doing 1 , 2 or 3 rounds, and therefore being effectively irrelevant to the "Series".

My personal outlook is that the regional SERIES is there for the interested drivers to attain a BRCA grading from F2-F4 (F5 being assigned regardless). Therefore the series should cater firstly for drivers willing to compete to attain the above grades through committing to the required events.

I think this is a good argument to give preference to the individuals that fall into the above criteria. Whilst this may be controversial, I believe that means any current F1 drivers should also be considered to have a lower priority than the drivers trying to achieve a formula via the regional series.
You have raised some very good points there John and I would surport you, but its good to see F1 drivers competing at regionals because I think young or less skilled drivers have someone in the sport to look upto...

[Si Coe]

The issue of people doing enough rounds is central to this. The last few years the numbers actually doing the required 4 has been rather low.

However, the problem there is one of location and weather. Southport and Bury aren't that far apart, and a large portion of the regions racers live quite near both. South Lakes, Batley and Keighley are all much further away, so for many racers the easy, cheap route to 4 rounds is to do the Southport and Bury meets, and miss out the 'away' rounds.
Then it rains like it did for Bury's round last year and people don't come - suddenly a huge chunk of racers missing enough rounds to score.

Truth is there isn't a solution to that problem unless we ran indoors!

[Darren Wales]

I think that seperate sundays would be better, so we may only get 8 or 9 heats in 2wd or 6 or 7 in 4wd but at least for those that have to travel for 2 or more hours will get home at better time on a sunday evening and it would of course give those drivers that normley do both classes on the same day a more relaxed day.
Well thats my opinion. I'm Mike Bradbury if anyone was wondering....

(+1)

[MikePimlott]

one class per driver is rather poor,

but thats what this poll is for, peoples opinions :thumbsup:

[sly]

The issue of people doing enough rounds is central to this. The last few years the numbers actually doing the required 4 has been rather low.

However, the problem there is one of location and weather. Southport and Bury aren't that far apart, and a large portion of the regions racers live quite near both. South Lakes, Batley and Keighley are all much further away, so for many racers the easy, cheap route to 4 rounds is to do the Southport and Bury meets, and miss out the 'away' rounds.
Then it rains like it did for Bury's round last year and people don't come - suddenly a huge chunk of racers missing enough rounds to score.

Truth is there isn't a solution to that problem unless we ran indoors!

Sorry to pick on you Si :p, Batley dont want us anymore:thumbsup:, Keighley is unfortunatley closed:thumbdown:, and i`d go to southlakes twice every year as they are very welcoming to everyone who turns up with some great phrases like 'grass is best' and 'if your ready where racing':thumbsup:

[DanW]

i dont think it would
you can run regional and non scoring on same day
4wd had 87 booked in leaving 30 40 places for non count club racers

What I was getting at is that whilst one club is hosting a regional the other two are down on numbers or closed. Traditionally clubs in the region have closed on regional dates to help boost attendances.

Two day format takes a lot of days out of the calendar, even if a club opens whilst another is hosting it still means that date has to be written off and can't be used for a club competition or such like.

Two day format obviously benefits those drivers that want to follow event type meetings, but detrimantal to regular club attendances. With a limited number of venues and a limited number of drivers it comes down to a balance of satisying both competition events and club racing.

[The race controller]

I haven't voted yet, because I think other points affect how I would vote.

How many entries are from people completing the required minimum of rounds? Is the series over subscribed with people doing 1 , 2 or 3 rounds, and therefore being effectively irrelevant to the "Series".

My personal outlook is that the regional SERIES is there for the interested drivers to attain a BRCA grading from F2-F4 (F5 being assigned regardless). Therefore the series should cater firstly for drivers willing to compete to attain the above grades through committing to the required events.

I think this is a good argument to give preference to the individuals that fall into the above criteria. Whilst this may be controversial, I believe that means any current F1 drivers should also be considered to have a lower priority than the drivers trying to achieve a formula via the regional series.

To add my opinion I think to qualify for Nationals you should have done Regionals. Just because you're an F1 you're not too good to race at club or Regionals.

[Oscar]

Roger, I do agree with both you and Mike, however my main point was that in my eyes (I'm happy to listen to other views) the regional series is for drivers to try attain formula's F4 through F2 at the end of it.
If you are already F1 in the current year, you could at worst drop a grade to F2. For this reason any current F1 driver has nothing to gain by doing the regional series, as they could not better F2, the top grade available from the series.

[J.Kirkman]

I vote other - 2wd and 4wd run on the same day but only 1 class per person.

This allows 120 - 130 drivers to enter regional meetings without people hogging places by running 2 classes.

[Northy]

Roger, I do agree with both you and Mike, however my main point was that in my eyes (I'm happy to listen to other views) the regional series is for drivers to try attain formula's F4 through F2 at the end of it.
If you are already F1 in the current year, you could at worst drop a grade to F2. For this reason any current F1 driver has nothing to gain by doing the regional series, as they could not better F2, the top grade available from the series.

And if that driver has decided to not attend Nationals that year for whatever reason then they can't race any BRCA series?

I might not know much, but I don't think you could actually turn anyone away who holds a valid BRCA licence... but what do I know? :lol:

[Alan Reeves]

I might not know much, but I don't think you could actually turn anyone away who holds a valid BRCA licence... but what do I know? :lol:

I agree, don't turn anyone away regardless of f grading or location, but I think preference should be given to those committed to doing the series and not just one or two rounds.

[Northy]

The point is this is a BRCA series, and therefore must be run to the rules in the BRCA rule book, *some* of these are allowed to have a 'regional variation', but it's not possible to just go making new ones up *I THINK* <-- that last bit is my opinion and is not an official statement from the BRCA (no matter what it says in my sig) and is in case I am wrong - I have been wrong before, 1998 I think it was...... :lol:

I'm sure Stu is talking to the people he needs to to sort this out, but I feel for him, his new job is not an easy job when things are going smoothly.

[DanW]

one class per driver is rather poor,

but thats what this poll is for, peoples opinions :thumbsup:

I agrees it is rather poor.

In an ideal world we would have 2x seperate 6 round series, but if only shared across 3 clubs it is also a shit option.


Everything comes down to lessers of evils.

[Si Coe]

The point is this is a BRCA series, and therefore must be run to the rules in the BRCA rule book, *some* of these are allowed to have a 'regional variation', but it's not possible to just go making new ones up *I THINK* <-- that last bit is my opinion and is not an official statement from the BRCA (no matter what it says in my sig) and is in case I am wrong - I have been wrong before, 1998 I think it was...... :lol:

I'm sure Stu is talking to the people he needs to to sort this out, but I feel for him, his new job is not an easy job when things are going smoothly.

True, but BRCA rules can be changed just like any other, and if there is a demand to do so that can happen. I know it needs to be proposed, seconded, voted etc but remember we are talking 2013 series here. Rules have to change to adapt to circumstances and if enough people feel that way and vote that way they will.

Sly - I know about Batley and Keighley, but that sort of shows up my point. The series is down to 3 clubs as it is and one is quite remote from the other two (good though it is). If Bury or Southport decided the same as Batley and pulled out the whole thing would fold......

[Oscar]

And if that driver has decided to not attend Nationals that year for whatever reason then they can't race any BRCA series?

I might not know much, but I don't think you could actually turn anyone away who holds a valid BRCA licence... but what do I know? :lol:

I never suggested turning anyone away unnecessarily , but if a SERIES (not meeting), is over subscribed, how else do you prioritise who gains an entry or not?

Mikes point was a very good one, having top quality F1 drivers at regionals only serves as an incentive to lesser drivers to better themselves.

[bigred5765]

i know I'm going to get flak over this but so what
the easiest option is for the guys that didn't get in to buck there ideas up and book in earlier next time end of,

[Chopster]

Voted 'Other', limit people to 1 class but keep the format the same, in my view it is part of the competition, pick your best class and stick with it for the regionals. Why shouldn't F1's race regionals, especially this year there are no North West tracks on the Nationals so our 'local' F1's miss out on their local tracks?

[RickRick]

I've voted for other.
I think if we could get everyone pre booked, and pre paid, be it down to a central system, or individual clubs/paypal, the clubs should be able to post a heat list the day before, and be 100% strict on a start time, say 8.30, that would save a good chunk of time at the start of the meeting, probably needs just over 30 mins to run an extra heat and i don't remember starting racing before 9.30, that should squeeze in an extra 22 cars. then if we're still over booked, limit to one class per driver, with second cars on a reserve list

[TheReferee]

True, but BRCA rules can be changed just like any other, and if there is a demand to do so that can happen. I know it needs to be proposed, seconded, voted etc but remember we are talking 2013 series here. Rules have to change to adapt to circumstances and if enough people feel that way and vote that way they will.

......

you are correct that a proposal could be submitted, however only the NW region appear to have an issue, the other regions appear to manage their regional series without problems, so it is unlikely that any rule change would pass. as a result of that in my opinion you will need to find a solution that does not involve changing a BRCA ruling

[burgie]

If Bury or Southport decided the same as Batley and pulled out the whole thing would fold......


No it wouldn't fold. Well, it didn't last time Bury pulled out of the Northwest region in favour of racing in the Northeast region.

Admittedly, a one club series isn't the best option but it still works.

[Pitman Ed]

My vote:
2WD Sat/4WD Sun say 5 or 6 weekends gives everyone a chance to get F grade if they want it, even if they work regular Sat or Sun. Serious racers can do both if they wish.

You need at least 3 from 4; better 3 from 5.

But:
Let clubs open every week if they wish; some people don't want an F grade, and don't want to travel to race, but they have no option as things are now. That change alone would reduce the numbers booking in to regionals, and may avoid the current problem. In that case I think it may work leaving things as they are currently.

[johnnygibbon]

i know I'm going to get flak over this but so what
the easiest option is for the guys that didn't get in to buck there ideas up and book in earlier next time end of,

This is exactly what I tried to do this year . Cos last year I got ore booked out of the regionals in no time at all. So this year I went mad on contacting the clubs to let em No I I'll be attending
And ido intend on doing the full regional series cos I want a better f rating this year And was well gutted I missed it last year
So Ido agree with Si here that people who do intend to race the full series should be given priority
I'm also a bit gutted batly have pulled out as I have heard great things abOut the track and was looking forward to racing it
Another great thing about the regionals is that it gives ya the excuse to travel to other tracks and enjoy what they have to offer
Or just have massive meetings and charge more so it's very financially benificial to the club to hold a regional event

[Col]

Other.

There is one simple solution to this fiasco.

You NEED a central booking system. From there priority can (and should) be given to people entering all meetings first, enough meetings to complete the series second, and to anyone else third. Booking in needs to open well in advance and close a couple of weeks before the first round with confirmation e-mails sent no later than 1 week after closing.
After that it doesn't matter what format is run (as long as the format was clearly advertised before booking in opened). People will have been able to make an informed decision from the info provided, with no "first come first served".

Can I close the thread now?:thumbsup:

[funkygrump81]

I say stay the same as i for one and i know a few others who run 2wd work saturdays so having two day meetings wouldnt work for us ,and for splitting over sundays that would cut down the number of club days which a lot of lower ability drivers rely on for track time as my 11 yearold daughter does .anyway think this is all pretty pointless as the rds start shortly and nothing will change before then and then this argument will start all over again next year :thumbdown:

[themyster]

i know I'm going to get flak over this but so what
the easiest option is for the guys that didn't get in to buck there ideas up and book in earlier next time end of,
Carl the problem with you saying this is that no indication was given to when the flood gates would be opened for booking in and I only found out when the 1st southport meeting was full.
Plus like the nationals there is no set date when entry is possible, so it wouldn't be a safe way of first come.
I will go with what ever is decided and if it means I don't get 4 rounds in to count I will pull out and not do reginals, but I would have to know before rather than later.

[Si Coe]

Adding to that, it was really only advertised on Oople, and despite its popularity not all 1/10th racers are on here. Its not like we could even advise non-ooplers at a club meet because we haven't even had one since the dates came out!

First come, first served is fine if everyone has an equal chance to be first, but thats not really the case here.

However, I totally agree with Col that central booking in is the key here. With that we can make the best of whatever format we use.

[craigosh]

I've voted "OTHER" to represent 2WD / 4WD same day restricted to one class per driver.

Same here for this year.

But If we were voting for next years format I'd pick option 3!

[The race controller]

Roger, I do agree with both you and Mike, however my main point was that in my eyes (I'm happy to listen to other views) the regional series is for drivers to try attain formula's F4 through F2 at the end of it.
If you are already F1 in the current year, you could at worst drop a grade to F2. For this reason any current F1 driver has nothing to gain by doing the regional series, as they could not better F2, the top grade available from the series.

Are you forgetting that you take out the F1's (and F2's gained at Nationals) from the qualifying list before you calculate the top 20% etc.

[The race controller]

And if that driver has decided to not attend Nationals that year for whatever reason then they can't race any BRCA series?
************** sorry, don't follow you on that*************


I might not know much, but I don't think you could actually turn anyone away who holds a valid BRCA licence... but what do I know? :lol:

******no, I read it again and again. Can't get it..

[The race controller]

Other.

There is one simple solution to this fiasco.

You NEED a central booking system. From there priority can (and should) be given to people entering all meetings first, enough meetings to complete the series second, and to anyone else third. Booking in needs to open well in advance and close a couple of weeks before the first round with confirmation e-mails sent no later than 1 week after closing.
After that it doesn't matter what format is run (as long as the format was clearly advertised before booking in opened). People will have been able to make an informed decision from the info provided, with no "first come first served".

Can I close the thread now?:thumbsup:

And if you're not on oOple or the net ???????

[Northy]

And if you're not on oOple or the net ???????

John (Oscar) was suggesting not allowing F1's to race in the regionals, but then if that F1 had decided to not do the Nationals that year, then they'd have no series to race in.... (as they'd not be doing Nationals through choice and Regionals because they weren't allowed).

Make sense?

[bigred5765]

Carl the problem with you saying this is that no indication was given to when the flood gates would be opened for booking in and I only found out when the 1st southport meeting was full.
Plus like the nationals there is no set date when entry is possible, so it wouldn't be a safe way of first come.
I will go with what ever is decided and if it means I don't get 4 rounds in to count I will pull out and not do reginals, but I would have to know before rather than later.

i kinda see what your saying but
imho i cant see why anyone thats into racing that much that they wana do regionals wouldnt check up on whats going on more than once a month

[MikePimlott]

i kinda see what your saying but
imho i cant see why anyone thats into racing that much that they wana do regionals wouldnt check up on whats going on more than once a month

Oople is the best forum for advice and information.

NOT the place for organising BRCA events such as regionals.

This should be done at a central location and should have mailshot reminders and notifications sent out to allow people a fair chance at entering.

I almost missed out on the regional and as said before 3-4 friends who i like to race with (which is part of the enjoyment) have missed out.

[matdodd]

Oople is the best forum for advice and information.

NOT the place for organising BRCA events such as regionals.

This should be done at a central location and should have mailshot reminders and notifications sent out to allow people a fair chance at entering.

I almost missed out on the regional and as said before 3-4 friends who i like to race with (which is part of the enjoyment) have missed out.

Bring your mates and come back to the Mid West then Mike :thumbsup:

[MikePimlott]

Bring your mates and come back to the Mid West then Mike :thumbsup:

NW could learn a hell of a lot from the MW.

Their regionals are as good as, if not better than Nationals.

Dedicated website
Central booking in
Mailshots
Andrew Jones
Referees
Scruitineering
Dedicated time keeper
3 legged A's

The list of pros is endless

Last year I stopped racing at the batley regional after round 2 the driving standard was that bad.

[DanW]

NW could learn a hell of a lot from the MW.

Their regionals are as good as, if not better than Nationals.

Dedicated website
Central booking in
Mailshots
Andrew Jones
Referees
Scruitineering
Dedicated time keeper
3 legged A's

The list of pros is endless

I stopped racing at the batley revional after round 2 the driving standard was that bad.

I remember when North West had all those things, it was made possible by volunteers who were mostly non-racers (Dads). Not so many non-racers involved with the running of the clubs now. So it comes down to whos willing to give up thier race day to run the Scruitineering tent?

[bigred5765]

OK then heres one ill volunteer myself for running and setting up central booking system for the northwest,

[MikePimlott]

OK then heres one ill volunteer myself for running and setting up central booking system for the northwest,

:thumbsup: Woody, sign him up.

Im not giving him any cash though :woot:

[Si Coe]

I'm not racing in the regionals but that doesn't mean I won't help out. I'm not that convinced we really need scrutineering in this day and age but can do it if people want.

[AndyG]

my 2p - voted for keeping as is. Both classes on the same day.

John Price makes one key point which I think (again, an opinion) should be fundamental here - the Regional series is there for people wanting to compete in a series of meetings and attain an F rating.

Centralised and advance booking, with advance payment, and advance warning is a pre-requisite, and then you prioritise in order...

1) Those wanting to do all 6, and paying up front
2) All 5
3) The minimum 4
4) Then fill each meeting using members from the host club as a priority.

I won't go into the F1 thing, cos I think it detracts from the key points above! :p

2p spent.

Andy Grason

[bigred5765]

NOT OFFICIAL JUST FOR SHOW
http://northwest-central.weebly.com/
its a start

[bigred5765]

:thumbsup: Woody, sign him up.

Im not giving him any cash though :woot:


youll do as your told :p

[Si Coe]

NOT OFFICIAL JUST FOR SHOW
http://northwest-central.weebly.com/
its a start

You misspelled Regional :p

[budfish]

OK then heres one ill volunteer myself for running and setting up central booking system for the northwest,

The man!!!!!!

Good on you Carl

[MikePimlott]

NOT OFFICIAL JUST FOR SHOW
http://northwest-central.weebly.com/
its a start

Ive entered lol

[bigred5765]

spell checked it to god dam, hehehe ;)

[bigred5765]

Ive entered lol

you did and your details are correct
Name
Kermit The frog

Choose Any.2wd
1

Choose Any.4wd
1

Email
Kermitthefrog@fragglerock.com

[budfish]

you did and your details are correct
Name
Kermit The frog

Choose Any.2wd
1

Choose Any.4wd
1

Email
Kermitthefrog@fragglerock.com

Mike is from "the shire" not fraggle rock

[Nightshade]

I've chosen 2WD Saturday from a selfish point of view that I only race one class. At the same time I've withdrawn my entry from the first Southport so one of you lucky peeps will be in now.
Truth is I fully support giving priority to those doing the full series or at least enough for a grade, and whilst I'd dearly love an F rating, it's probably going to be a 4 or 5. Can I take a place at the first round, at the expense of a much better driver that didn't get on oOple so quick, or even someone who can commit to enough rounds already?
With Batley gone and my work still debating if I can have some dates off, I feel guilty to have a slot. I'll have to let it go..
Shame really.

[Col]

And if you're not on oOple or the net ???????

My 92year old grandfather-in-law is on the net.
I'm not convinced anybody who isn't online in this day and age is still alive.

N/E have had online pre-booking for years. I still get e-mails telling me booking in has opened and I haven't raced a regional for over 4 years!

[woOdy]

Hi Guys,

I am holding an emergency North West meeting this Sat which will have one person from each club attending to talk about this year.
Things may even change yet so could every body just hold on tight untill we have this all organised propper and I will let everybody know as soon as things have been agreed.

Thanks:thumbsup:

[The race controller]

My 92year old grandfather-in-law is on the net.
I'm not convinced anybody who isn't online in this day and age is still alive.

N/E have had online pre-booking for years. I still get e-mails telling me booking in has opened and I haven't raced a regional for over 4 years!

Bury has 42 members(so far)...3 with no e-mail. So what do I do, go round to them hoping they're in when I call ???

Believe it or not there are people out there who don't want to know when it comes to computers.
Just like some drivers I could mention who don't want to know how to use a screwdriver.

[Col]

Bury has 42 members(so far)...3 with no e-mail. So what do I do, go round to them hoping they're in when I call ???

Yes. Just to make sure they're still alive.
Anyone who's not online now is going to get left behind sooner or later. Might as well be 2013

[bigred5765]

cheers fred
Name.firstFred
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from manchester thornton street area ???
yeh it works thanks

[philipbrownnitroman]

I voted other, keep the format the same except, only allow drivers to race one class! there should be a website for booking in, prebook and prepay, maybe a deposit for every round you want to race in, with a refund if you have too cancel a round as long as your place can be filled, some of people like myself have to work some Sundays, and don't always know when! due to changes in rotors ECT

[Oscar]

Are you forgetting that you take out the F1's (and F2's gained at Nationals) from the qualifying list before you calculate the top 20% etc.

Roger, That's irrelevant to the point I was hoping to convey. I was trying to highlight that IF the meetings were oversubscribed by people committed to doing the full series (ie: four rounds or more), a decision would have to be made as to who to allow places to. I suggested that the people who should be selected first, should be those hoping to gain F grades 2 through to 4. My point is an F1 driver will have F2 status next year regardless. Considering this, if they subsequently were offered a place in regional series, that would mean there was one less space available for those people trying to attain grades F2-F4.

John (Oscar) was suggesting not allowing F1's to race in the regionals, but then if that F1 had decided to not do the Nationals that year, then they'd have no series to race in.... (as they'd not be doing Nationals through choice and Regionals because they weren't allowed).

Make sense?

Northy, You should be a jounalist;) I may have said that, but certainly not in the context you allude to. As I have just highlighted above, its my personal opinion that priority should go firstly to someone who has something to gain, over someone who can gain nothing;)

I did not and never would suggest excluding any individual or group of people from the events.

[budfish]

Ive entered lol

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[MikePimlott]

Das ist wunderbar :woot:

[budfish]

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/Budfish1975/b515cf86.jpg

And woody in Japan

http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb457/Budfish1975/97b9e732.jpg

[ahhseeten]

Historically the first meeting at Southport is always oversubscribed and all the others run fine as is...

Split first Southport to Sat 2wd Sun 4wd - Leave the rest.... Simplez

Could try ringing Robin Smith

[bigred5765]

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bill bo bagins lives:lol::woot:

[scotty_big_flip]

if it aint broke...

[Col]

if it aint broke...

The general feeling is that it is broke...
5 pages of broke in this thread and 8 pages in the other: http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=94038
I'd say that's pretty broke.