why no ifmar micro worlds
 

hi guys was wondering why there dosnt appear to be a world championship for micro cars the top drivers from around the world racing to become micro world champion what a fantastic idea what about it ifmar?:thumbsup:

The only countries which race Micro seriously are UK, Germany and Sweden. We all run different rules to my knowledge, but with any luck in a few years there could be Micro Euros, watch this space...

The US, Belgium, Japan and Australia also run micro's at some clubs on a regular basis. That's enough countries for a good Worlds event.

The only reason why it hasn't been done is because no one has done it. Simples. Are you volunteering Craig? Maybe you should get that elusive charity meeting over and done first :thumbsup:

noooooooooooooooo lol:D im working on the charitty meet but ive got some personal issues i need to sort out first but i am working on it only posted this as i found it strange that most classes have a worlds but not in micro i think it would also benefit the manufacturers as they could release ''worlds edition'' kit verstions of their cars as losi and j-concepts did in 10 th with the xx4 and bj4

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Seriously Carl, where do you get these opinions from? They are very damaging...you know?

The reason it hasnt been done (an IFMAR Worlds) is because IFMAR dont 'recognise' the Micro section.

You cant have an IFMAR worlds without IFMAR.....

If it was as simple as booking a hall and getting a handful of foreigners over I think I could quite easily do that, but it isnt that 'simples'.

Honestly, I think you should get yourself onto the Committee, get yourself involved with the inner workings of all this and you will soon realise that the opinion of how it all works from the outside is VERY much different to how it actually works on the inside.

You are an influencial man within this Section, and your comments about how it hasnt been done cos nobody has bothered yet etc dont do us any favours.

Leave this stuff to the people who have the ability to organise such an event cos the whole "we dont need the BRCA"/"organising a worlds in easy"/"theres no enthusiasm in the section" posts are wholly incorrent.

Yet another prime example of how you take everything in a negative light and too personally. You just love to make more of people's words than what there are and you wonder why there is upheaval. I did not say anywhere in my post that no one can be 'bothered'.

If you actually re-read my post in a positive way then it says no more than 'if anyone wants to do it then it can be done'. And it is actually quite simple in comparison to many other far more serious things not worth talking about on a radio control forum.

It doesn't matter squat whether IFMAR recognises micro's now or not. If that is part of the process then all that needs doing is to actually start the process of getting them to recognise it. Assumingly there are steps before that and again, all it needs is someone to start those steps.

Who knows, maybe the process is underway but it has not been said anywhere which doesn't make those of us that don't know ignorant as it's not our jobs to know, it only means we have not been informed.

Before Rome was built it was exactly the same thing, no one had done it yet but hey ho, in the end someone got off their rear ends and actually did it.

My accelerated life experience far exceeds yours old boy, I've told you before, maybe it's time you stop acting so negatively and over emotionally. :thumbdown:

Life experiences are irrelevant. You know nothing of my life experiences except for the fact that 5 years ago there were no big scale micro meetings etc and then I got an RC18T...
I dont see why you keep bringing up this "life experience" thing?

Rest assured that "the process" is underway, and is very much dependant on the out come of the EGM.

Maybe I do take some things to heart, but maybe that is because I am passionate about what I have done over the last 5 years and am passionate about the next 5 years.

I have no financial interest in this section, nothing to be gained by doing what I do, I also see myself moving ever closer to a permanent B-final spot. I just want to ensure that the next 5 years of the micro section are as prosperous as the last 5 years.

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No it's not infact. The appropriate life experience would have taught you by now that if you act overly emotional in certain circumstances and react in certain ways then you won't actually make any forward progress. All you'll end up doing is alienate some of those people that support you the most. It's sometimes better to take a step back, assess from a distance and then as difficult as it might be react in a positive way.

You have PM, old man ;)

Don't be shocked Mark, me and Oxman love each other really. This is a little bit like pre-EGM foreplay for a lack of a better description :thumbsup: :blush:

HAHA!! @ pre-EGM foreplay!

if you book it they will come lol

If there was a worlds it would be very cool

Would the event initially have to be IFMAR related? Build it and they will come ;-). How about an old-style reedy invitational to start? With top 30 drivers from each country over a weekend meeting?

you don't require IFMARS permission to have a worlds, just look at the stock and oval section, and the bikes.

Correct :thumbsup:

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terribly ironic, self-absorbed, and superficial that anyone could suggest that the world stopped
and micro-racing started just because THEY bought an RC18T.............rofl :woot:

still nothing like two girls going at it........... ya'll should break out the handbags

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Wow, a forum that hasnt banned you yet Rob.

There's always one, right?

Naw...... there are a few not moderated by women permanently on the rag, or funny-looking guys with a complex, where men can discusss things like adults, nor are required to take Cris's word as God's.

Foreplay? really looking forward to the egm, just hope the foreplay doesnt move up a notch and clothes get taken off.

Stuart.

well as this is the "being provocative" thread, let me just jump in.

Because there isn't much sustainable commercial potential for micro. RC Organizations support those classes and technical choices that either (1) have historical RC significance (12th scale, 8th scale onroad) or (ii) have financial lobbying behind them (think 5-cells for instance and why it's taken so long to "legalize" lipo) that believe in global financial potential - that's most of the existing classes.

Micro scale cars have been commercial fads since Tamiya's first Tamtechs (1986 if I aint mistaken), no proven sustainability => no push from manufacturers => no championships.

Paul

Sorry Paul, don't agree. Micro's have far more sales potential than most if not any other class because they are aimed at the mainstream market. They are at a lower entry price point and most platforms are multi function (RC18 buggy, truck, SC, rally, etc.) and so sales volumes have a much larger potential. The Losi Mini-T variants and the RC18 platform has been around for many years.

A smaller sized car that can be used at home and on the race track at a lower entry point and reconfigurable as pretty much any 'fad' body style type has way more global commercial sales potential. In the end it all still comes down to where the marketing dollars are spent and since this is still a niche hobby (even on a global scale) the numbers can be skewed in one direction or another.

Personally I think one of the reasons they are not yet raced seriously on a global scale is because the marketing dollars were spent on the entry level users as apposed to serious racers so they have been seen as toys as apposed to 'proper' race cars. Cris started this whole thing a few years ago, we have completed 3 whole BRCA sanctioned series with rules now starting to reach maturity. Manufacturers are already starting to take it seriously enough that we will be seeing 'proper' race cars in the very near future.

my personal opinion, till the cars are better, then they won't find big favour.

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Better than what?


I don't care what "scale" you're talking about, we're still racing toy cars - and last I checked everything breaks if you crash it.

well, they have gone to a longer wheelbase, good, they are wider when they started and now the RC18T2 has a slipper. For me, it wasn't so much the breakage from having an 'off' but the fact that it took a lot of work to make a car just reliable.

But as I say, thats just my 'personal opinion'.

Don't know of a true racer that comes "reliable out of the box."

Always been a part of the hobby, and racing in general, to make it better than it was (and more reliable) to stand up to the rigors we put them through. ;)

Sorry Rob but I cannot listen to the opinions of a man who is banned from more forums across the world than I have ever visited.

Sorry Crissy, but I can't listen to the opinions of a woman dressed in men's clothing who's so impressed with themselves they fail to rationaize when they're blathering on aimlessly.

RC10B4, Losi XXX CR, Tamiya's..... erm.... I think most other classes have cars that are in general, reliable..... I am guessing you love provoking discussion.....

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I think you were trying to do that when you said, "till the cars are better, then they won't find big favour." :rolleyes:

whatever rocketnob

what-ever shortbus http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3291/shortbus.jpg

fail :woot:

I hear you - the problem is that they compete against products of similar size but 1/4 of the price, that you can find a walmart and carrefour... Most non rc-ers have no idea what a propo radio is and don't understand why that 20cm car would cost EUR150 in a hobby shop while a "similar" car would fetch EUR40 at their local supermarket.

Additionnaly I believe that it costs marginally more money to manufacture a 10th scaler than an 18th scaler... But the manufacturers can charge a lot more money for it, behind "size impression". So, bigger scales (to some extent) = more profitable market = more push, and manuf'ers can't chase too many targets at once, especially these cash-constrained days.

I don't think small-scale cars have a sustainable future, certainly not when one can now get a 2.4G, brushless powered RTR AE B4 for a mere $220.

Paul

PS: not sure who said out-of-the-box cars can't be reliable and competitive... I run a box-stock FT B4, no breakage, and I win races with it. I run a box-stock (ok, there's a couple of eye-candy alloy bits on it) MBX-6 and I win races with it... I run a 100% box-stock xray T3, and, well, I don't win races with it as I'm not good enough in this very demanding class anymore, but I'm pretty darn close sometimes. None of these cars has suffered ANY reliability issues the past 12 months. Things ain't what they used to be any more, but in the right direction now ;)

bit like America then were they have a 'Worlds' for everything in there own back garden :lol:

http://www.s-m-d.co.uk/lrp-shark-18-...-rtr-i687.html

You don't have to run the longer wb chassis to be competitive at all, it's just something we've chosen to do because it makes them nicer to drive. If you're a good enough driver you could fit your electronics in that car above and win a micro national with that setup and some decent wheels/tyres, I guarantee it.

you say that but not just in the states its same in othersports eg snooker where the uk is really the only country its played in yet we have a world championship:thumbsup:

You don't have to think about it, it has already been proven that they have. The Mini-T, Anderson series, RC18 series, etc. have been on the market for years and years and there are still new models being released today (Losi Desert buggy, Vendetta SC, RC18B2, etc.) and the same old platforms updated.

You seem to base your idea around the fact that bigger is better. Not everyone thinks that way. People especially in the UK cannot run a 1/10th scale car or buggy in their house. Most people don't have a back garden big enough to run one either. They also wouldn't know a proper track existed near their house if it hit them in the face. The market potential for a smaller scale is infinitely higher than larger cars. You and me can speculate but unless we know the real numbers it's nonsense talk. :D

Yes there are crappy 1/18 buggies around (and even more crappy 1/10th buggies!) that should not be used for racing but anyone stating there are no reliable 1/18 cars obviously have never owned a LRP Shark FT. It's a many times tougher than any 1/10th scale buggy I have ever owned (and I have owned a few), much cheaper to run, much cheaper to fix, just as fast if not faster with the right motor and no less fun to drive. The only issue so far has been that until recently they have been marketed to the wrong audience.

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