oOple.com Forums

oOple.com Forums (http://www.oople.com/forums/index.php)
-   Team Losi Racing (http://www.oople.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17)
-   -   22 4.0 (http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=186956)

daz75 24-01-2017 02:35 PM

22 4.0
 
So eveyone is now doing 2 car types dirt and carpet apart from tlr so when do we reckon they will jump on the band wagon?

cutting42 24-01-2017 04:29 PM

They already do really. You can only buy a dirt version and have to buy a laydown conversion to get a carpet car.

daz75 24-01-2017 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cutting42 (Post 965600)
They already do really. You can only buy a dirt version and have to buy a laydown conversion to get a carpet car.

Yes but even that has now changed to a dirt laydown

I mean 2 separate cars

/tobys 24-01-2017 05:43 PM

There are still the carpet laydown and the dirt laydown gearbox options (with the former being optimised for lower ride heights via the HRC front end mod and the special alloy rear hubs, the latter being run with the "kit" front end and rear hubs).

IMO the logical trend would be to try and create a modular chassis with easy to fit and inexpensive options to optimise for a variety of conditions rather than tailoring for specific track types and conditions. I think that this is broadly what Schumacher are trying to achieve with their new 2wd platform...

daz75 24-01-2017 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /tobys (Post 965609)
There are still the carpet laydown and the dirt laydown gearbox options (with the former being optimised for lower ride heights via the HRC front end mod and the special alloy rear hubs, the latter being run with the "kit" front end and rear hubs).

IMO the logical trend would be to try and create a modular chassis with easy to fit and inexpensive options to optimise for a variety of conditions rather than tailoring for specific track types and conditions. I think that this is broadly what Schumacher are trying to achieve with their new 2wd platform...

The first release of the laydown conversion is being discontinued though so unless you already have it your screwed

/tobys 24-01-2017 06:14 PM

yeah its a shame for some folks, especially those that just run on carpet or indoor astro; I think their (TLR) reasoning is that that the dirt laydown conversion covers a wider range of track conditions than the original laydown (which is very challenging in anything but high grip conditions).

So its probably a good move overall by TLR. I've not seen the cost of the new conversion but I don't think you get the alloy rear hubs so if its the same price, its a poorer deal for the racer.

I would like to get a Dirt Laydown gearbox but they a) never seem to be in stock and b) are so expensive (similar cost to the Exotek alloy gearbox I think).

daz75 24-01-2017 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /tobys (Post 965613)
yeah its a shame for some folks, especially those that just run on carpet or indoor astro; I think their (TLR) reasoning is that that the dirt laydown conversion covers a wider range of track conditions than the original laydown (which is very challenging in anything but high grip conditions).

So its probably a good move overall by TLR. I've not seen the cost of the new conversion but I don't think you get the alloy rear hubs so if its the same price, its a poorer deal for the racer.

I would like to get a Dirt Laydown gearbox but they a) never seem to be in stock and b) are so expensive (similar cost to the Exotek alloy gearbox I think).

Yeah think they are the same price but with no alloy bit of a xxxx take

Allan1875 24-01-2017 08:17 PM

Most of the TLR team are running the dirt laydown on high grip.

/tobys 24-01-2017 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan1875 (Post 965629)
Most of the TLR team are running the dirt laydown on high grip.

@Allan - the UK or US TLR team? I've seen the US guys seem to run it all the time but wasn't sure about over here...

Darren Boyle 25-01-2017 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /tobys (Post 965613)

I would like to get a Dirt Laydown gearbox but they a) never seem to be in stock and b) are so expensive (similar cost to the Exotek alloy gearbox I think).

TLR Dirt laydown gearbox conversion is 149.99, the Exotek alloy laydown gearbox is just 84.95, not really too similar.....

/tobys 25-01-2017 09:21 AM

I was referring to the dirt laydown gearbox itself, not the entire conversion, think it retails for about 60? So it would be about 20 or so difference (%age wise, a not insignificant difference but in monetary terms, not much difference). In the US, the difference is even less, around $10.

My point being that with the Exotek being all alloy construction, it seems good value in comparison but I don't know really how the Exotek compares in terms of positioning vs TLR Carpet Laydown and Dirt Laydown gearboxes.

Maybe you could offer some insight Darren?

Darren Boyle 25-01-2017 10:38 AM

If you are just comparing the gearbox cases, the Exotek also includes the motor plate, gear cover and carbon battery strap in that price too.. making it even better value.

/tobys 25-01-2017 10:45 AM

Thanks Darren, it's more the on track performance I'm interested in - particular the Exotek vs TLR dirt laydown. Which, in your experience or opinion, performs the best in lower grip conditions?

Cheers.

Allan1875 25-01-2017 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /tobys (Post 965640)
@Allan - the UK or US TLR team? I've seen the US guys seem to run it all the time but wasn't sure about over here...

Both teams. Ellis and Chris have been using dirt laydown on astroturf for quite a while.

daz75 25-01-2017 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allan1875 (Post 965679)
Both teams. Ellis and Chris have been using dirt laydown on astroturf for quite a while.

Any ideas why?

Allan1875 25-01-2017 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daz75 (Post 965680)
Any ideas why?

They just prefer the way it handles. I've not tried it myself yet so difficult to comment.

Darren Boyle 25-01-2017 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by /tobys (Post 965666)
Thanks Darren, it's more the on track performance I'm interested in - particular the Exotek vs TLR dirt laydown. Which, in your experience or opinion, performs the best in lower grip conditions?

Cheers.

No-one outside of the team has tried the dirt laydown yet and since the team drivers are also barred from using the Exotek version leaves no-one in the UK having tried both yet....

/tobys 26-01-2017 06:51 AM

@Darren - Ahh ok, thanks for clarifying - much appreciated.

daz75 26-01-2017 03:51 PM

One way to screw over your resellers is to do things like this

http://www.tlracing.com/Products/Def...odID=TLR231064

Sounds like people will be holding off buying 22 3.0 if it's due April

jcb 29-01-2017 01:21 PM

whats due April I must be missing something on the TLR website?


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:47 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
oOple.com