DMCC Indoor Championship 2011/2012

[Legacy555]

6 rounds in total.
Take your best 2 from 3 before Christmas and your best 2 from 3 after Christmas and add them.

Round 1 - 13th November
Round 2 - 27th November
Round 3 - 18th December

Round 4 - 15th January
Round 5 - 12th February
Round 6 - 4th March

[Legacy555]

ROUND 1
Just to remind everyone that round 1 of this years indoor championship is this Sunday from 10.30 am, heat 1 goes at 11.30am.

You must use Schumacher Minispike rear tyres - nothing else is permitted.

See you all on Sunday, if last week is anything to go by it should be awesome!

[Legacy555]

Due to a carried proposal at the AGM last night racing now

STARTS AT 10am

First heat goes at 11am

[Legacy555]

Championship regulations are here ;-

If you can't see these clearly enough, there are larger versions in the photos/Naul 2011 - 2012 section of www.dublinmodelracing.com

[MiCk B.]

Looks good.

MiCk B. :-)

[kartstuffer]

I know i was late and missed partof it but I thought that qualifying was to be left the same as previous and only changed on the day by agreement of all drivers
This seems to be a different system .
Could someone explain the different systems please ?

[Legacy555]

Hi Ivan,


There are many qualifying systems, but only 2 are generally used by the DMCC.

1. Round-by-Round (default system)
2. FTQ (only used if voted by majority at drivers briefing on the day or specified in the championship regulations)

Round-by-round is the qualifying system used throughout the outdoor season in Griffeen Valley. Your qualifying position for the finals is determined by adding your 2 best scores (1st -0, 2nd -1, 3rd -2 etc) from the 4 rounds. This system is very beneficial where track wear and weather changes are effecting racing and it keeps the qualifying fair as the conditions degrade. This system also favours drivers who can put in consistant performances (not necessarily fast performances).

FTQ (Fastest Time Qualifying) is a much simpler system. Your qualifying position for the finals is determined by your fastest time during the day. The disadvantage to this system is that if it rains, or if the track surface wears over the day, the times will get slower - so most final positions could be determined by the earlier rounds of qualifying in that case - this is irrelevant in the Naul. This system encourages drivers to push themselves whilst Round-by-round can result in drivers cruising around trying to achieve the best average position.

As development officer, I would encourage drivers to "up their pace" within the FTQ sytem and weather and track wear are no longer a factor.

[Mugenextreme]

Why on earth have you gone with 4 qualifying heats and only 1 final for a club round. Surely 3heats and 2finals would have been better?

[Legacy555]

Originally Posted by Mugenextreme

Why on earth have you gone with 4 qualifying heats and only 1 final for a club round. Surely 3heats and 2finals would have been better?

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

[Mugenextreme]

Thats ok I simply stuck the proposal in to the club meeting because chances are nobody will go to the national meeting and I though it best to get feed back for that proposal from a group of racers rather then one or two that will be at the agm.


My comment above still stands for the club round. Do we think that at a club race we need 4 rounds of qualifying. Would the 3 and 2 not be better format giving more chances to people to have two goes at finals. Also is it ftq or round by round in qualifying.

Originally Posted by Legacy555

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

[Mugenextreme]

Thats ok I simply stuck the proposal in to the club meeting because chances are nobody will go to the national meeting and I though it best to get feed back for that proposal from a group of racers rather then one or two that will be at the agm.


My comment above still stands for the club round. Do we think that at a club race we need 4 rounds of qualifying. Would the 3 and 2 not be better format giving more chances to people to have two goes at finals. Also is it ftq or round by round in qualifying.

Originally Posted by Legacy555

Nobody proposed it - simples.

Your proposal regarding the national series was read out and deemed to be an RCCAOI issue. If I am consulted by the 2012 RCCAOI section rep regarding qualifying preceedures in the championship next year, I will recommend that your proposal is put forward for inclusion into the rulebook.

I think the current best 2 of 3 points (qual+final1+final2) give the pole qualifier a double advantage. 1 point + 2 meters on the grid - this is not fair. Your proposal is fairer.

[Legacy555]

Its something that could be piloted one week and then drivers can be informed before deciding whether they prefer it. It would have to be passed by a majority vote

[kartstuffer]

I would go with Colins idea of 3 qualifying rounds and 2 finals if its going to be ftq.

[kartstuffer]

On that last post i assume you would have 12 rounds in the championship with 8 to count instead of 6 and 4??

[ian h]

Originally Posted by kartstuffer

On that last post i assume you would have 12 rounds in the championship with 8 to count instead of 6 and 4??

Why? 12 rounds is a long championship. Pretty much every week would have to be a championship round!

[kartstuffer]

Didnt mean that Ian just the two finals on each day classed as seperate rounds, same amount of racing just 2 chances of scoring on the one day. Same for everyone.

[ian h]

Not a bad idea! Im guessing that Colin is more likely thinking about aggregate score from the 2 leg final though.

[h0m3sy]

Surely it has has to be FTQ qualifying for the indoor championship, its astro-turf and its inside, so the tracks not going to change. If it is passed on the day that we adopt FTQ, then it should be as Colin has suggested, 3 qualy rounds and 2 finals for all. That's the way 90% of other clubs run it.

[celticpanman]

Hi guys. I would be in favour of FTQ for race days as it encourages you to get better.

3 rounds qualifying with 2 finals ( taking the average to get results ). ( correct ).

For the naul I think it would be best

Graham

[Legacy555]

Hi all,

Please see Article 3.13 of the General Competition Rules - www.dublinmodelracing.com.

As per the rules;
If we go round-by-round we must have 4 rounds of qualifying.
If we use FTQ, the amount of rounds is open.

If we have 2 finals, scores from qualifying must count.
If we have 3 finals, qualifying only sorts the grid positions.

To have 3 rounds of qualifying and 2 finals the meeting would have to use FTQ and the results would be calculated from your two best from qualifiying, final1 and final2.

This would have to be proposed, seconded and carried by a majority at the meeting and announced no later that the drivers briefing before Round 1 of qualifying. If this happens and is carried, I would propose that the whole championship adopts this race format.

Will