Pro vs 'R'

[gazbaz2]

Originally Posted by b4pete

No thanks, I still hurt from last week.

Lol yeah right

[telboy]

The thing is, people are making such a big issue of somthing that can happen on any car. Its just that some people are getting a bit moody because of the price they paid for the full fat version.

At the end of the day, is a completely new car, that is bound to be improved on as things get tested. And in on way, the R version could be a better car, but when the original is built properly there shouldn't be too many issues.

People buy £400 tamiyas and don't think twice to spending another £200+ on parts to 'upgrade' them!
The DEX is all there, it just needed a few bits improving (which is why Team Durango appreciate our input). So personally I don't see any problem.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by telboy

The thing is, people are making such a big issue of somthing that can happen on any car. Its just that some people are getting a bit moody because of the price they paid for the full fat version.

At the end of the day, is a completely new car, that is bound to be improved on as things get tested. And in on way, the R version could be a better car, but when the original is built properly there shouldn't be too many issues.

People buy £400 tamiyas and don't think twice to spending another £200+ on parts to 'upgrade' them!
The DEX is all there, it just needed a few bits improving (which is why Team Durango appreciate our input). So personally I don't see any problem.

and what size pins are in ur drive shafts Tel confess and lets ee why you dont see a problem...

[blackstring]

I have the 1.5 pins and haven't had a single problem with them since I built them. However I had some other issues that was head scratching. Rear axle pins coming out, servo saver shaft and arms, bearings are total crap, and now it seems my whole front end is bending back from nose-diving too many times.

Now I'm happy with TD replacing the rear axles for free. But to update everyones cars with the new tricks at discount or for free? Thats absurd. I believe the new car is worth the price because I guarantee that the most popular broken parts on the R will be inner hinge pin holders, castor blocks and bent shock towers. Thats $170 of the $300 difference right there. I know what made it worth buying the full spec kit over waiting for the R. Even if I was buying one in April, I'd still pick the top o' da line.

What I am upset about is that they included gear diffs. Buying the R you are definitely getting a deal there. I was hoping they would come out will ball diffs so I could use them as a tuning option. Some of the guys running the Short Course trucks are finding by switching back to ball diffs for loose conditions smooths out the truck. I don't even run oil anymore, only gear grease.

[chris68nufc]

Im a bit gutted that i may have to upgrade my Durango with £90+ bits just to get it to finish a race after spending so much on it to start.
Fair enough, if you buy a car like a Tamiya and then spend £200+ on mods to make your car better, thats your choice, but as far as im aware the 2mm pins on the driveshafts of the Durango have no performance enhancing qualities, just that they may last longer?

I, personally have had very little problems with my Durango however i think that Durango should offer the upgrade kit as a good will gesture at cost price.

Some people will moan about anything but on this note i think they are entitled to a whinge on.
Durango seem a very good company and im sure that they will be doing something behind the scenes for the people that have made their business a business.

[one]

Obviously the 1.5 pins weren't up to the job, so they have changed them to 2mm.

There might be some hand on groin gifted by god mechanics out there who've had no problems. Fact is many many people have had pins fail whilst racing. Which sucks.

One local racer's 410 caught fire because the pin came out (heat-shrink mod too), wore through the lipo case and lipo. Not fun.

It would only be fair for Team Durango to offer these revised parts for cost. Why not offer the discount, be fair about it and keep happy the customers who supported the business from launch. Selling for cost wouldn't cost them any money, just lost profit.

After all, should TD really be profiting from people having to up-grade TD's design issue?

If TD do the discount or offer even better, all guys on this board who want to pay full price, should be given the option hand over the extra cash to TD. Happy days

[AmiSMB]

I had some drive pins go very early on and I looked into the issue myself and found that I could buy some steel rod and make my own so there really was not a problem. I also have found that I can use the MIP pins or even the drive pins that Northy makes and use them in the CVD and these work an absolute treat. I think that the early pins were a problem but I still have one that is no problem on the car at all. I have ran the car alot now and the only failure whilst running that I have had was the pins early on which I sorted and the bearings due to the crunch spacers which was easily sorted and then the servo saver cracked but I was going hard at the time! I like the car and I have owned many cars over many years and this one certainly has the least number of issues of them all.

[paul01ews]

Right here goes,
I can see both sides here, i have two cars for my son's so to upgrade the parts will cost me another £200.00.
The Dex410's have cost me around £1,200.00 with the spare parts and i am starting to wonder if it not all getting a little out of hand cost wise?
I think it will come down to racers budjet's and this effecting there views, being one to like a deal i would be happy to see a price reduction for the upgrade but we do live in the real world.

BUT... we have not had any issues to date and the car has given my eldest son the confidence to get better results so far..

Only my view anyway, W..

[littlejohn]

Originally Posted by one

One local racer's 410 caught fire because the pin came out (heat-shrink mod too), wore through the lipo case and lipo. Not fun.

I'd like to clarify this a little further. The chappy who this happened to had lost 2 TD 1.5 pins prior to this and was forced to cut the shank of a drill bit to make up a drive pin so he could finish his race day. In doing so he wasn't able to grind the sharp bits off and this is what allowed this ghetto pind to cut thru the heatshrink (2 layers of it.)

He is now using a cut down heavy duty body clip from a monster tuck with heatshrnk and it seems to be holding up ok..

Back on topic, I'll agree with everyone else that there are inherent problems with the DEX410, but I've yet to come across any car that is perfect.
The DEX410 is by far the best 1/10 I've own even with all it's problems. It is almost a durable as my Losi 8ight, and this alone makes the price of admission worthwhile as it hasa allowed more time on the track then time wrenching. I've been able to do race after race after race without any wrenching. This is the other extreme from my B44, which I would be lucky to run through more than a pack without somethign going wrong.

I'm glad the R version is coming out, because I can see that by the time it's due to hit the shelves, I will be needing to replace a few things due to wear. So I"m thining combining both versions will make the ultimate ed. DEX410



Cheers
LJ

[fifi]

Do you know what spur on the 410r? 87?

[Rikus]

Hey one thing all off you who bought the Durango DEX410 would agree thats an amazing car bud its a new car and it still have little problems. Then the people moan its to expensive and thay can't fit it in thair budget. Then people moan of the little problem that the car have

I lost a lipo because or the rear cvd pin that came out thats is my problem because I bought the car and that is part of racing and the sport

Now that Durango brought out a cheaper car that seems its going to be just as good as the pro car,and sort out the problems on the car.The people still moan.

We are all racers and we have the knowlidge to fix our own car promlems so rather thank durango for kissing the recers feet and doing what is ask from them and stop moaning of what thay don't do.

[littlened]

It's a bit like Apple reducing the price of their computers so they are more accessible to people will lower budgets. The people with the lower budgets are over the moon, but the people who in the past have shelled out a fortune on a Mac would be a little pissed as they lose the bragging rights.

I love the look of the DEX410, and have wanted one since i first saw it, but the price was always too high. The fact they're releasing a budget version is perfect for me, and I can't wait for the 'R' the be released.

TD have been pretty clever I reckon. Build an absolute brilliant strong car, let people buy it and race it for a while. Find out from their customers what the most common problems are, what's likely to break the most etc, then release a new version which costs cut on those items that are not deemed necessary.

As for the pins, I suppose it's one of those things, but A discount on the new parts for existing owners would certainly help build upon TD's already great reputation.

[nitrokillah]

I'd go for the pro without hesitation .
& get the new 2mm shafts .
would probably want to try out the flex control side rails to

It's funny though .
If Durango had first release the car with the 2mm shaft and then put the " R " version out with the old/ smaller shafts ; you'd all still be srcewing about how they put the new optional part out in the "R" ...

Sometimes there is just no pleasing people .

[BagofSkill]

Jebus! People are getting so caught up in the R! Forget the R for a minute!

The facts are these:
*New shipments of the real deal DEX have 2.0mm pins
*TD have made a big deal about it by lazer etching every part 2.0mm.
*Lot's of people have had problems, many people haven't

Some of us who bought one of the first 750 odd of the most expensive and best engineered 1/10 4wd in history are feeling a bit hard done by because when you buy a car like this, that has been developed over years, for this much cash, you don't want 'teething problems'.

The new pin spec that is standard on both models is an admission by TD that the 1.5mm pins are not up to the job or customer expectations. A cost price retrofit would be welcomed by the majority of people who've voted in the poll. The silence of TD on this issue probably means it's not happening.

The computer analogy is flawed. The old pins haven't been superceeded by a new model with newer tech. They have been found faulty and replaced.

If you bought a brand new big car with CVD's that snapped regularly, and then the manufactuer made a running change, but refused to recall or hounour the warrenty on your own car you'd be asking some questions wouldn't you?

[maxoo]

Personnaly, I would like a free upgrade like Xray offered a free set of 34/20T pulleys for owners of T2'008 EU kits

[mark christopher]

from another thread

Originally Posted by mark christopher

there are some build tips on the durango blog (site)
i built mine "properly" and have had no problems, which seems to be the general feeling

also not many elec offroaders have experience off building a gear diff and filling/sealing it correctly.


search on here for dave g drive shaft tip, and keep em lubed up

another tip is to make sure the slipper has some give, as this takes the knocks, not the pins

im a bit disapointed that the pins are being enlarged on the drive shafts in the R and later kits and exsisting owners wont be offered an upgrade pack tho. as they are after all being upgraded to make them more reliable, not as a performance advantage!

Originally Posted by Adam Skelding

Mark,
like you posted if they are built correctly, they don't fail.
So us releasing the 2.0mm CVD set is a performance upgrade.
As for offering upgrade kits, you may be a bit previous in stating we aren't offering upgrades for current customers, it's something we are discussing.
But you seem to know better! Or you need to re-read your posts with your good eye before posting!

[JohnM]

Originally Posted by maxoo

Personnaly, I would like a free upgrade like Xray offered a free set of 34/20T pulleys for owners of T2'008 EU kits

I might be wrong, but I get the feeling a set of pulleys don't cost as much as 3 pairs of driveshafts.

[maxoo]

maybe, but I think It was for more of 700 kits...

[melanie]

We are all racers so if u get a problem solve it stop putting the blame on TD they are trying the best they can to solve all the small problems I have kit 00001 and have run the car std for a long time and haven't had any problems with drive pins or ball cups yes I got the new ball cup just in case but still run the std car rather praise them on what they have done so far with what they got and stop all this baby nonsense about a little very nice rc car It's like Martin Achter said @ the world's u don't have to buy the car so stop complaining about the price of the car.