SWIRC Vintage Class

[Belms]

Matt and I have been chatting for a while about running a vintage class, so thought it might be good to start a thread for those interested

I'm particularly interested in this as I used to race a Schumacher Top Cat and Cougar in the late 80's / early 90's. I raced against many RC10's, and always wanted a gold pan RC10, and those who know me will have seen my new re-re gold pan, and I'm keen to get it on the track!

I did try it out on the track last night, however, the standard Pro-Line Champion/Edge tyres were hopeless on the carpet, kept spinning out on the corners! I'm hoping I've found a solution in some old school RC10 2.2" 5 spoke wheels, so I've ordered some, and another set of carpet tyres - should be here in time for next Thursdays race evening! I also have a 1992 Cougar which needs a little work before it can come along. I'll post up some pics of the RC10 & Cougar when I get on the proper computer.

Would love to hear thoughts of anyone interested in running a vintage class! Any pics of vintage/re-re/classic cars you might be able to bring along appreciated too!!

[36racing]

Ive been looking into the cars etc etc and I think if you want to go proper vintage, you will need say a time region, or something along the lines of that. I know of quite a few locals/not so locals that most likely will come down and have a go, just a matter of time to see if the class can grow.

-Josh

[Belms]

I've seen other places who do have 2 or 3 divisions based on year, however, that's probably only necessary if it gets really busy! Probably more immediately helpful would be some sort of motor limit/guidelines. I don't know about anyone else, but I'm not really interested in a vintage class because I want to win, but rather want an excuse to have some fun racing these great old cars around the track! The modern 2wd would be the class to enter otherwise.

As a starter, perhaps cars *designed* before 2000? This allows for vintage and classic re-re models. Perhaps a stock level motor... 17.5T or equivalent. I've currently got a Reedy 3300kv in the RC10, but don't know the turn rating - it's not that quick, it's the standard brushless motor AE put in their RTRs. I have had a brushed Tamiya RS540 sport tuned (23T) in it too, but it's a pain because I then have to carry NiMH as well as LiPo, but do-able if necessary.

Further thoughts welcome!

[Belms]

I have seen other places giving out extra points for those using old school radio gear, NiCd/NiMH batteries, brushed motors, and mechanical speed controllers, in addition to having motor guidelines and division by manufacture date, however those things probably only work when you have lots of folk attending Probably best to keep it as simple as possible to begin with...

[36racing]

Yeah, keeping it simple would be best to start aha.
Also we wouldnt want it to be expensive, we want a fearly easy to get and run class, I myself am looking at the rc10 classic (A shop I know has one in stock for 189) I want to know what kind of motor/esc I should go for aswell as any info on that kit.

*edit*- also it would be cool to get the vintage ones on NiCd/NiMH's and brushed motors....

-Josh

[Belms]

Here is my re-re RC10 gold pan, B4.2 with matching paintwork behind:
RC10 Classic & RC10 B4.2 with Classic paint job :-)

Schumacher Cougar 'Club 10' (1992):
1992 Schumacher Cougar Club 10 Turbo

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 36racing

Yeah, keeping it simple would be best to start aha.
Also we wouldnt want it to be expensive, we want a fearly easy to get and run class, I myself am looking at the rc10 classic (A shop I know has one in stock for 189) I want to know what kind of motor/esc I should go for aswell as any info on that kit.

*edit*- also it would be cool to get the vintage ones on NiCd/NiMH's and brushed motors....

-Josh

If you go for the RC10 Classic (and it would be fab to have another gold pan at the track!! ), JC Racing ( http://www.jcracingproducts.co.uk/home/ ) do 2.2" 5 spoke wheels, from an original 1989 mold, that fit without upgrading the axels etc... only £8.25 for set of 4. Waiting on delivery of mine

I wanted a Reedy motor for mine, but they don't seem to do a brushed, so I went with their standard brushless (I already had a spare ESC & motor).... but yes, would also be cool to run NiMH and brushed... you could go all out and run old school 27MHz with freq crystals too (ok, perhaps that would be a pain... I don't miss dodging those long aerials on the rostrum one bit!! )

Edit: Reedy do a 17T brushed motor. Might get one if we decide to go NiMh/brushed for the class

[36racing]

Yeah im just planning the place where I can get the funds for it at the moment, Those wheels should be great and yeah I wanted myself to stay with the reedy // ae partnership they had going on with the RC10's to almost make it as realistic as it was back then

Also, would like to look for actual vintage motors to try, they go fairly cheap on the bay, replace the brushes and they should be good. It would be cool having old school looking motor and electrics in it.

Love the look of old school motors like this : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Ir...item233e55e141

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 36racing

Yeah im just planning the place where I can get the funds for it at the moment, Those wheels should be great and yeah I wanted myself to stay with the reedy // ae partnership they had going on with the RC10's to almost make it as realistic as it was back then

Also, would like to look for actual vintage motors to try, they go fairly cheap on the bay, replace the brushes and they should be good. It would be cool having old school looking motor and electrics in it.

Love the look of old school motors like this : http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Ir...item233e55e141

Yup, I wanted to keep it Reedy for the same reason, but didn't want to go modified (with all the com cutting and suchlike, which has put me off vintage ones a bit), however, this brushed Reedy looks the part: http://www.wheelspinmodels.co.uk/i/61585/

I thought this LRP brushed ESC would go well with it: http://www.modelsport.co.uk/electron...&MSAttributeID[21]=564
Simple, nothing too fancy, and also a historic relationship with AE...

I'm sticking with the Reedy brushless setup for now, but might well get the above setup as funds allow

[36racing]

Will probably end up getting that motor aha, dont know what esc your talking about? too many on the page aha!

-Josh

[Belms]

Originally Posted by 36racing

Will probably end up getting that motor aha, dont know what esc your talking about? too many on the page aha!

-Josh

Oops, wrong link; this one: http://www.modelsport.co.uk/lrp-a.i....roducts/383082

[36racing]

Sweet, just need to get some funds!

[Rtsbasic]

I still have some dusty full spikes from my old RC10 B3 for grass running

I'm keen on the idea of getting a vintage class going, I'll keep my eyes peeled for a bargain on an RC10 of some kind

I was looking at the RC10 B3 earlier, brings back a lot of memories. And re-released as a Thunder Tiger Phoenix so spares are a plenty. Is 1997 vintage enough?

[36racing]

I would say 1997 would be fine as its pre-2000 and its still older than me!

-Josh

[Rtsbasic]

Really?!? Colour me impressed

Will keep an eye out for a bargain. Its nice the track has its own sub-forum here!

[36racing]

Yeah, only took me a few seconds to message jimmy on facebook and he took care of it.

(On about the subforum)

-Josh

[Belms]

Originally Posted by Rtsbasic

I still have some dusty full spikes from my old RC10 B3 for grass running
I'm keen on the idea of getting a vintage class going, I'll keep my eyes peeled for a bargain on an RC10 of some kind
I was looking at the RC10 B3 earlier, brings back a lot of memories. And re-released as a Thunder Tiger Phoenix so spares are a plenty. Is 1997 vintage enough?

Good to hear you're keen too! As Josh said, 1997 is good!

Originally Posted by 36racing

I would say 1997 would be fine as its pre-2000 and its still older than me!
-Josh

I thought pre-2000 also. And shocking!

We should put our heads together if we get a few mins on Thursday to think about motors etc too.

Originally Posted by 36racing

Yeah, only took me a few seconds to message jimmy on facebook and he took care of it.
(On about the subforum)
-Josh

Nice job, a great idea!

[36racing]

Yes, will be good to set a control motor and maybe a control tire for the Vintage class, not to make it expensive, to make it easier on people.

-Josh Hardwick

[MattV6]

I'm loving the comments on here guys

Having a chat on Thursday would be a good idea

If we could get a set of guidelines/rules down for the Vintage class that would be good

Also as some of the older vintage cars aren't as strong and the parts are in some cases very hard to get we need to race a bit more gentlemanly I'm just thinking if someone brings along their car to be taken out at the end of the straight at speed with a unneeded over taking manoeuvre someone's not going to be very happy. Of course battle it out like in any other race but just remember to keep in mind the rarity of some of the spare parts lol.

I agree pre 2000 would be classed as Vintage, thats almost 15 years ago now. Or we could go a little further back and say 1995 and thats almost 20 years?

Personally i would have thought 2000 would be better as it opens the choice of cars up for a vintage class and spares etc

[36racing]

I Agree.
You could just lay down the obvious racing rules to people with if a driver is faster than you, yeah give him a battle for a bit, but if your slowing him down, move over etc etc...

*Edit* - Matt im also trying to get you moderator as we speak.

-Josh