Short Course Nationals Race Format

[spyro]

Anybody got any comments on the new race format?

All comments good or bad apreciated, afterall we are still a "new" class and now is the time to make our racing a little different.

[Frecklychimp]

Not enough tinkering time between rounds IMO...

not convinced that 6 minute racing is needed really...

can't complain about amount of track time but would sooner have time to mess about with set up and go grab a butty etc, didn't feel it was very relaxed or social having to rush around between rounds... glad i wasn't trying to run 2 classes! took 2 rounds to get set of tyres glued and dried for use then it was wet so missed the round they were needed

for a 50 ish driver meeting it was a very long day it felt, i know we lost time with weather and messing around with votes on running etc... could have run the last round of finals in the time it took to get a decision!

You can't really change the format now or it is not exactly fair on the championship standings... pretty sure Rob J would have been in a much different position if it had been 5 minute racing... his electrics only messed around at the end of the heats!

[Robbiejuk]

Surley it would give you more tinkering time?

Personally I enjoyed the format BUT thats probably because I was on pole for the qualifying and not in the middle of the pack. I know a few people got mauled on the first corner in every one of the three qualifier mass starts in the top heat.

With qualifying for me you are racing against the clock, not each other, and because your time doesn't start till you cross the loop on the staggered start your racing against your own clock. With the mass starts we had I think a few people forgot they were qualifiying, especially at the start.

I liked the 6 minute racing though Gave you that extra bit of time to catch up if you made a mistake. Well assuming you didn't have a dodgy speedo like me

P.s. I think chimp didn't like it because it was an extra minute for him to get lapped in..

[Dudders]

What was the format?

Assume 6 minute heats?
Final length?
Rounds?
Time Between Rounds?

[Robbiejuk]

Ok so all races were 6 minutes.

1st round of qualifying was standard stagger start

Rounds 2 3 and 4 were Mass start (2X2 grid, well sometimes ) with the grid based on where you came in your heat in the 1st round of qualifying.

Finals should have been 3 rounds with your best two results added together to give your final position.

2 minutes between heats

[1rcdad]

Great meeting but agree there was no time between rounds,maybe need an earlier start for 1st heat on the line (think it was about 10.25) if that had been 9.30 we could have had 30 min break at lunchtime.

[Dudders]

How many heats per round and what gap (if any) in between?

[spyro]

ok from the top:

6 minute heats and finals.

4 rounds of qualifying and 3 leg finals.

Qualifying round 1 was a staggered start in number order.

Qualifying for rounds 2, 3, and 4 was a side by side grid based on your finishing position from the previous heat.

So for example if you finished first in round 2 you where on pole for round 3.

Finals where a standard staggered grid.

Scoring was on round points, best 2 out of 4 rounds for qualifying and 2 out of three finals.

[Frecklychimp]

Originally Posted by Robbiejuk

Surley it would give you more tinkering time?

P.s. I think chimp didn't like it because it was an extra minute for him to get lapped in..

I know what you mean Rob... but when you take out time waiting to go on, the heat, 2 mins between, marshalling then 2 mins to leave track waiting for next marshal to cover, and getting back to pits... it soon swallows the time up when there was no break between rounds and only 5 heats running.

from the overalls i saw at the end of the meeting... i was 8th and you were 9th... so all that extra lapping just wore your tyres out more

tbh agree with the position on grid starts for qualifying... brings on red mist syndrome, great when you are up front and can get out of the way, but it's a first corner accident to avoid getting tangled in when competing against the clock... it's the main reason i beat Wardy at SCT Carnage 2.5... he was slightly faster lapping but was getting tangled at the start every round!

[Robbiejuk]

Originally Posted by spyro

Qualifying for rounds 2, 3, and 4 was a side by side grid based on your finishing position from the previous heat.

So for example if you finished first in round 2 you where on pole for round 3.

Well that didn't happen, didn't in our heat anyways...

[Dudders]

In the Real Lucas Series the Racing is rolling start in a side by side format.

[Frecklychimp]

Originally Posted by Dudders

In the Real Lucas Series the Racing is rolling start in a side by side format.

Good luck with trying to run that one

[Frecklychimp]

Originally Posted by Robbiejuk

Well that didn't happen, didn't in our heat anyways...

Agreed, we were all gridded to first qualifying position every round... so the system failed and results are voided in the first round... top work chaps

[Hpi_guy]

A rolling start would look good but unless all driver took it steady then it wouldn't work, also some people would go full power when the first car crosses the line

[Dudders]

Rolling start could work at a lower speed.... it's fun to do.

Don't worry about grid positions at the next round, the person who gives me the most grief will be at the back

[Frecklychimp]

This all should have been sorted before the championship started and organised to run properly...

If you are telling us now that the first 2012 SCT National was an experiment then not impressed at all, especially when there has already been a series run last year and a lot of us have raced the trucks for 3+ years

It's already clear that the top heat qualifiers were not running fairly?!

This wants sorting now before racers are driving 100's of miles to the next round.



rolling start is a retarded idea, don't even consider it an option.

[spyro]

Originally Posted by Dudders

In the Real Lucas Series the Racing is rolling start in a side by side format.

That's the heat starts are based on but we deciced for obvious reason that a rolling start was a no no.

[Dudders]

Originally Posted by Frecklychimp

This all should have been sorted before the championship started and organised to run properly...

If you are telling us now that the first 2012 SCT National was an experiment then not impressed at all, especially when there has already been a series run last year and a lot of us have raced the trucks for 3+ years

It's already clear that the top heat qualifiers were not running fairly?!

This wants sorting now before racers are driving 100's of miles to the next round.



rolling start is a retarded idea, don't even consider it an option.

Who you calling a retard, Chimp! . Got yourself sorted for the Saturday yet?

[Dudders]

Originally Posted by spyro

That's the heat starts are based on but we deciced for obvious reason that a rolling start was a no no.

Yea, was just thinking allowed as it takes a lot of discipline

[Frecklychimp]

Originally Posted by Dudders

Who you calling a retard, Chimp! . Got yourself sorted for the Saturday yet?

We're coming down Sunday as two of us are working...

but if the results have been screwed up in the first round due to bad organisation then it's put me off the series a bit tbh.