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Hello Mark
the club is Faversham
and has been running for nearly thirty years
the hall is very small but the racing is extremely competative, it often has 50 drivers attend weekly.......
shame to change that
Mens motors...LOL......theres nothing manly about any toy cars or sides of the sport....lol
i mean its hardly a chat up line is it i race (play) with toy cars
it worked for me...... just leave out the toy
i know what your saying but if you used a faster motor and throttle control......

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Mark, mark, mark, the world does not revolve around large tracks, there are lots of places that need to run a milder motor, for instance. And as much as it is a 'radical departure' from the norm, the selling point of the Durango, is the 'no compromise' layout, finishing touches like the CVD boots etc. Diffs are just a tuning aide, some people will like the edgy feel of a geared diff, some will prefer the feel a ball diff will give.

Some.... might just think that the price is too much, no matter how much they like the kit. Just got to accept, because you run that car, it may not appeal to everyone, or, dare I say.... agree with you.
yup its dear but you pay what you get in this world look at the madrat...........
there is such a thing as throttle control!
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At Faversham there is a 13.5T motor limit. No amount of throttle control will allow anything faster!

It is a polished wood floor too, even a 10.5T would be too much for almost any driver!

I do think Durango would sell loads of the DEX410R kits, if priced around the CAT Sx S1 edition's price. I don't see anyone complaining about the S1 edition CAT saying that 'if you want a CAT you must cough up full price for the carbon spec'. Particularly when you consider that, as DCM says, different materials/ways of doing things are for different track conditions/driving styles. The S1 CAT actually is preferred by many due to the extra flex it provides, meaning that it has more natural grip and is more forgiving.
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but is a ball diff (with good quality balls) cheaper to produce than a gear diff? the gear difs have a steel crown wheel, would a plastic or steel be better on a ball diff, would a plastic crown gear lighten the diff to ball diff weight? which is better in a budget car? a gear diff or an adjustable ball diff?
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throttle control is one thing, but if the car feels nervous and edgy, it will feel that, careless of the 'throttle control', you been in the racing scene for long enough, to know that what suits one, doesn't suit another, and not everyone races mod either.
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Ball diff save weight? Save money? Maybe, maybe not. We'll see, when it's released.
I see ball diffs (for the DEX410) as a tuning tool, mostly. Seems it would be right at home on a slippy dirt surface that rapidly changes during the course of an event. Quick and easy adjustments, made in seconds. Maybe higher maintenance?
High traction turf surfaces usually don't change much, and that's where gear diffs would shine. Higher traction means higher stress on the diff. Metal gear diffs don't have a problem there. (Ball diffs? Maybe) Set and forget, when you find the right oils. IMO.
Just seems to be another great addition to the already superior Durango arsenal!

(and, I still want to know about the release date!)
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actually geared diff will give much more drive than a ball diff on loose/slippy surfaces,
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actually geared diff will give much more drive than a ball diff on loose/slippy surfaces,
Why ?
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Torsion diffs, thats what ya need
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Torque Sionsing?

or Torsen, Torque Sensing...
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Why ?
no idea why Andy they just do,may be its the fact they are free'er (not a really word?)or the fact that they let the car turn tighter on a loose surface, not sure on the technical bits but in practice thats what they do,
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no idea why Andy they just do,may be its the fact they are free'er (not a really word?)or the fact that they let the car turn tighter on a loose surface, not sure on the technical bits but in practice thats what they do,

I still don't get it, there's lots of talk about the geared diffs but no real reason to have them (apart form the simple fact they should handle big brushless power). Personally, I like ball diffs, they replaced geared diffs back in the day and I see no reason to change. The geared diffs are the main reason I haven't bought a Durango, i'll keep waiting for the 'cheaper' version that's 'got-balls'.
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everything gets re-incarnated. everything goes in circles

we thought we had got rid of stick packs sideways across the chassis like the old CAT XLS used to be, but the X6 has come back with it, why? because LIPO is a bit lighter and it makes is possible to do it again.

why are geared diffs back? I assume its because we can use oil in them without them leaking, you can get the same tune as the other guy on the interweb by using the same oil instead of reding his setup sheet and it being 'tight' or 'loose' or something as vague as that.
also you can run the diff very free without it slipping, or very 'tight' without if going notchy.

running rallycross for a year and I really like geared diff's with oil, going back to 10th scale diff's the adjustment is always a bit voodoo, is that tight enough? does it slip? are my balls or plates worn?

at the end of the day, people will run whatever makes THEM fast.

when is the geared diff with one-way rolling outdrives comming?
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its not just the geared diff though is it, thats the whole point as Chris as already said its the fact that they are infinitely more tuned able than any ball diff,its all about the oil and how it works on the gears in the diff, you can run them 100% free-er than a ball diff, without the loss of drive, buy the way Matty doesn't have a durango and i doubt we will be getting one, ball diff or geared diff, but after racing a rally cross for a while i can see the advantages on the track and see how they work, not just the theory behind them,i can see they are like garlic bread,
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Garlic bread.............its the future dude
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Sorry too have started this debate dont get me wrong i am sure that if i was using the car as it was designed to be used the ball diffs would be great but its just the weight in a very stop starty stop starty environment ( no such thing as smooth ) is a little too much ! and it will get slayed at faversham........but i will run it never the less
looking forward to running them outside soon though.
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that would be interesting to see the visible differences between the same car,with ball diff and gear diff at that track,i just cant get my head round the fact that a ball diff would be better because its lighter?i can see how you are thinking,but would like to see it in action.
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sorry to interrupt, anybody know when the release date is yet?
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yeah i agree scott the tuning aspect and the lightness is whats needed round faversham and i woulkd love mr thortle control to come and play with us with our feble 13.5.
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Come and have ago Big Red
Faversham on wed , 7:00pm
its great fun
but do not expect too win!
many a fantastic driver turned up and have been anihilated by the local talent
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