FS2 SP on the way?

[ryanlownie]

Like most things, you get what you pay for. I'm pretty confident in saying that Tamiya and Kyosho kits are both amongst the most reliable and durable. Both kits being more expensive than the common buggies on the market.

In buying a Lazer, you're buying a kit that's gonna stay together longer, stay in one piece longer, and last longer. Simples

[Ted Maul]

Originally Posted by Ry @ JE Spares

Like most things, you get what you pay for. I'm pretty confident in saying that Tamiya and Kyosho kits are both amongst the most reliable and durable. Both kits being more expensive than the common buggies on the market.

In buying a Lazer, you're buying a kit that's gonna stay together longer, stay in one piece longer, and last longer. Simples

I'm not doubting that, not one bit, but you have to appreciate that I am a hobbyist, not a pro racer and my son is just learning the art of reversing the steering in his mind when the car is coming towards him.... No car can withstand some of the accidents he has and will continue to have. Just as I did, even though i didnt start until i was 12

They have a good products in the Lazer RTR through to the FS2, good setups on here from the team drivers, good support from long time Kyosho fans such as RogerM who can answer all your questions, but if the company itself seems to lack commitment, where does that leave them in terms of generating new business?

From a business model point of view, Associated can capture kids with their 1st car (b4.1 rtr) and go right through to World Champ winning cars and anything in between. Most shops worth their salt stock spares and if you broke something trackside, you probably dont need to worry either.

Schumacher clearly have a lot of brand loyalty, home grown company, cheap spares, lots of availability, local team drivers, lots of setup info. Cars 'appear' fragile though from reading their forum, and lots of updates here and there. Just from perception you understand.

Durango, clearly quality, but user friendly? Again, perception is that they are high end, dremel this little bit, fettle that, little room under the shell etc etc, all designed for the pro racer only, which is fine of course.

I think the Kyosho products are great, they are solid, they are quality and look awesome, just as my Turbo Scorpion did 30 years ago - it was way better than anything Tamiya could muster and as for Optima vs Hotshot, oh do me a favour. These are not the issues. If i were a single bloke, racing every weekend with a decent wedge to spend, it would be Kyosho all the way. When time and money are at a premium, you have to sacrifice some of your ideals and maybe Kyosho are happy with that, only appealling to the proper racers and not the hobbyist, but the hobbyists of today are the racers of tomorrow....

It seems to me Kyosho have the quality of Durango without the agg, the curve factor of the Schumacher cars without the fragility and an entry level package in the Brushless Orion RTR that looks decent enough compared to the b4.1 rtr....

They have the products but appear to lack commitment to our market...

I'll shut up now and apologise for the thread hijack, but I am a Kyosho fan and it saddens me to see them go from a company who were stocked and supported everywhere to a fringe/specialist outfit

[Skye]

Im relatively new to the game as well and have to say that, based on the views and opinions of the majority on here I would say your summary is about spot on....

[09 lex 250]

Originally Posted by Ry @ JE Spares

Like most things, you get what you pay for. I'm pretty confident in saying that Tamiya and Kyosho kits are both amongst the most reliable and durable. Both kits being more expensive than the common buggies on the market.

In buying a Lazer, you're buying a kit that's gonna stay together longer, stay in one piece longer, and last longer. Simples

couldnt have said it better my self!! i have ot broken a single thing on my sp2!! ive driven everything out there and nothing can compare to this vehicle!! whatever the situation may be...save up and get the "quality" first over impulse buying.you will regret it as soon as the car you buy does not act right unless its on grove!! you always get what you pay for!! its like that in life in general!! the 44 imho is a total piece of junk!! durango is good if your running on carpet.or unless you have mr neuman driving it. schumacher falls into the same catagory as a durango..tamiya excellent car but needs alot of attention to get it where you need it to be. the 22 good car but is to new to figure out everything unless you mike truhe. just some examples and just some companies!!

[West Ridge Racing]

Have to say some words. Got both the Fs2 and the B44.1 before and the only thing I found AE better at was the price and avilibility of parts. Tje performance part Kyosho wins every time.
Look closely on all A mains from both the worlds and roar Nats and you will see how much better Tebos car kyosho are compared to the Ryans B44.1 cars. AE should thank thier lucky star they have them boys under their wing. Tebo would eat them for lunch if he just could stop making so many mistakes.

Kyosho are the better option coming from me who had about every car avalible on the market.

[discostu]

so what your saying is the b44 is better because its easier to drive. i found this when i had my fs2 it could be hard work compaired to both my tamiya and sx3.

[West Ridge Racing]

No, I am not. Tebo just push harder and makes more mistakes but the car handles the tracks better. Ryan and Ryan are more consistent drivers, especially Cavalieri.
I would not choose any of those cars today cuz I found Tamiya be the better choice over both those cars. I mean the 511. Easier to get a good all around setup on any surface. Hardly any changes needed when switching from low to high grip. Getting hold of parts is another issue though.

Indoors on carpet I found the B44.1 to be really good but that car needs a flat high grip surface to work well. much like the typical American style tracks. On bumpy tracks, not so much. Better go with Kyosho.

[Col]

Originally Posted by West Ridge Racing

Have to say some words. Got both the Fs2 and the B44.1 before and the only thing I found AE better at was the price and avilibility of parts. Tje performance part Kyosho wins every time.
Look closely on all A mains from both the worlds and roar Nats and you will see how much better Tebos car kyosho are compared to the Ryans B44.1 cars. AE should thank thier lucky star they have them boys under their wing. Tebo would eat them for lunch if he just could stop making so many mistakes.

Kyosho are the better option coming from me who had about every car avalible on the market.

Originally Posted by West Ridge Racing

No, I am not. Tebo just push harder and makes more mistakes but the car handles the tracks better. Ryan and Ryan are more consistent drivers, especially Cavalieri.
I would not choose any of those cars today cuz I found Tamiya be the better choice over both those cars. I mean the 511. Easier to get a good all around setup on any surface. Hardly any changes needed when switching from low to high grip. Getting hold of parts is another issue though.

Indoors on carpet I found the B44.1 to be really good but that car needs a flat high grip surface to work well. much like the typical American style tracks. On bumpy tracks, not so much. Better go with Kyosho.

For you.

I disgree with nearly everything you said!
I switched from Kyosho to B44 and am faster on every surface.

[mattb]

I ran a laser fs2 and changed to b44.1,the b44.1 has loads more steering which I think the lazer always lacked,the b44 has a much more consistent slipper and better diffs also

[discostu]

Originally Posted by West Ridge Racing

No, I am not. Tebo just push harder and makes more mistakes but the car handles the tracks better. Ryan and Ryan are more consistent drivers, especially Cavalieri.
I would not choose any of those cars today cuz I found Tamiya be the better choice over both those cars. I mean the 511. Easier to get a good all around setup on any surface. Hardly any changes needed when switching from low to high grip. Getting hold of parts is another issue though.

Indoors on carpet I found the B44.1 to be really good but that car needs a flat high grip surface to work well. much like the typical American style tracks. On bumpy tracks, not so much. Better go with Kyosho.

what a rubbish statement so what your saying that at the world championships ryan and ryan wasn't driving as hard as tebo they were there to make the numbers up what a crock any real racer would be pushing as hard as they could to get the best result possible.

must remeber your thery when vettle beats hamilton next time lewis wasn't trying.

oh and yeah you must be spot on when you say the b44 needs a flat high grip surface to work well i must have missed thoes emense jumps at the wolds and the dusty low grip surface they won on.

[adam_u]

It's safe to say that there will be lots of different opinions, brand loyalties, driving styles and preferences for one kit or another - it's horses for courses!

Not worth falling out over though, peace

[West Ridge Racing]

Perhaps I should of said that Tebo pushed too hard and made more mistakes. Never discredited Ryan x2 effort. Of course they pushed as well. I said they are more consistent drivers. Tebo made more mistakes at roar but got away with it in 4wd. Take a close look yourselves.
And I never said they did not work on a slippery surface, I said they need a high grip surface to work well and if you think that the worlds track was slick I have heard otherwise from those I know who raced there and they thought it was high grip coming from much worse conditions when we race. Depending where you come from racing on turf and grass i can see that remark. Emense jumps? Where did that come from? Never said anything about that.
Every car feels different to everybody but in my opinion the Fs is the better car. I can only answer for myself because I race on very bumpy slippery tracks and then the FS is the better car. Why answer people if they ask if trashing someone's opinions always happens. Spoke my mind and thats it for me. Still stand by my word. I know people here who think the B44 is a better car too and they are free to feel that.

[Col]

Originally Posted by West Ridge Racing

Spoke my mind and thats it for me. Still stand by my word.

That's exactly the point. You previous post implied that you know these people personally and therefore it was not just your opinion but that of some of the worlds best racers.
My last laser was not the FS, but the SP. I loved it but found it fragile, so bought a B44 which (in my opinion) is a superior car on every surface in every condition. I couldn't care less what happens at the worlds as I'm not that good. My club is swamped with B44's because most believe they are the best car in those conditions.

[West Ridge Racing]

Good for you and your mates.

[Fabs]

Originally Posted by West Ridge Racing

Have to say some words. Got both the Fs2 and the B44.1 before and the only thing I found AE better at was the price and avilibility of parts. Tje performance part Kyosho wins every time.
Look closely on all A mains from both the worlds and roar Nats and you will see how much better Tebos car kyosho are compared to the Ryans B44.1 cars. AE should thank thier lucky star they have them boys under their wing. Tebo would eat them for lunch if he just could stop making so many mistakes.

Kyosho are the better option coming from me who had about every car avalible on the market.

Maybe I'm not gonna make friends here but here's what I found.

For me the FS was a disaster, couldn't find a decent setup for it, too difficult to drive and utterly slow.

I went to a TRF511 and immediately felt at home and went much much faster.

When you say Tebo attacked the track more, I think Tebo didn't have a choice, the car's like that, it's too agressive and this is why he made so many mistakes.

Funny you should say this about the Kyosho, when you race a MBX6 and a TRF 511. Each in its own class is the easiest car to drive and setup for mere mortals like us.

[mattb]

Originally Posted by Fabs

Maybe I'm not gonna make friends here but here's what I found.

For me the FS was a disaster, couldn't find a decent setup for it, too difficult to drive and utterly slow.

I went to a TRF511 and immediately felt at home and went much much faster.

When you say Tebo attacked the track more, I think Tebo didn't have a choice, the car's like that, it's too agressive and this is why he made so many mistakes.

Funny you should say this about the Kyosho, when you race a MBX6 and a TRF 511. Each in its own class is the easiest car to drive and setup for mere mortals like us.

I used to think the opposite lol,the lazer fs is realy lazy

[Skye]

The point is that different cars suit different people, we are not all clones. For me, I struggle with the B44 and was a lot quicker with my Kyosho RB5. This leads me to think it's worth me considering the FS2. Others see this as a crazy move, but we are all different with different styles and the different attributes of different cars suit certain tracks / styles / surfaces better than others....

[West Ridge Racing]

I drive a Tamiya. Its the best car for me. Not that good of à driver and you do not have to completly slaughter the whole car to maintain the diffs for an example.
Here in Sweden we race on loose slippery dirt tracks and on high grip turf tracks. We have team driver for both AE and Kyosho and Kyosho have dominated on both surfaces the past three years. Indoors and outdoors. Thats is where I got my information from. Plus I have had all of the cars I speak of in my possesion.

[Col]

Originally Posted by West Ridge Racing

Good for you and your mates.

How to win friends and influence people

[West Ridge Racing]

Originally Posted by Col

How to win friends and influence people

I am a friendly soul and my attention is not to make enemies

I feel at this point that is was a mistake to bring up the whole Jared and Ryans situation. I should of just spoken my mind about the cars at hand and the fact that you guys only run on grass and turf mostly. Different situation from ours.