1 or 2 week ban on oil based additive

[RCMadShane]

The 100% ban for all cars would only be in place to assess what is going on.. We cannot have a case of ... "but he is using it" being screamed across the pits..

And I think two weeks will be fine.. I have been told that Additive only helps for the first Minuit and a half of a race so I am sure the pros can keep it together so the tyres can warm up..

Remember Ashley never wanted to allow Additive at the club and what we have today is the reason why..
I am hopeful that we can sort this and it won’t take longer than two weeks so no matter what come of it please be open minded and positive…
It is not beneficial to be spouting the “TC won’t work without” business because they will work and I admit yes a dam side harder but you are experts and should be able to cope for a couple of weeks.
People need to be given the time to sort an alternative and please remember too that many of the Foam drivers have stock of Additive which they may never be able to use so losing £12-£25 is a bit harder to swallow that struggling to get your car round a track for a couple of weeks.

So please let’s keep it together just for a couple of weeks.

[J'MM'N]

I looked into additives the other day for the 1/12 section and that didn't really help our sutuation.

BRCA legal:

Corally TC2 (Jack the Gripper)
-Silver can - pink writing (13779)
-Black plastic bottle with sponge applicator (13742)

LRP Top Traction (Blue Factor)
-Round white bottle with sponge applicator (6501)

Orion Street Juice (TC Traction F1)
-Clear bottle - purple writing (44101)

Orion Foam Juice Formula
-Clear bottle – yellow writing (44105)

CS High Grip Tyre Conditioner
-Clear bottle - white label (C6400)
-Short tin can - white and yellow label (C6400)

Markus Mobers Speedtech Foam Liquid
-Silver can, white label

AME additive (via Chubbies Car Shack in the UK)
-Brown plastic bottle with yellow label

CS Speed Grip (CS6460)
-short tin can, white and yellow label

[Markygia]

Wrong Shane

I've tried no additive. It destroys the tyres. And they ain't cheap.
I'm not happy at all with JUST YOU having the say on how the club is run.

I don't believe it's solely your call. I won't be running additive on stox. But I will on tc. This won't change because of what you say alone.

If Steve believes we shouldn't run tc additive I'm far more likely to listen as he doesn't have any vested interest. I've warned before about how you approach decisions.

As I keep saying that decision is incredibly awful. Why are you upsetting all the tc drivers when you don't necessarily need to.

Look at the forum. People won't be saying 'but he's using blah blah.'
The stox drivers understand tc is a different kettle of fish.

And it's not like tc drivers are being hypocrites. They're all on here saying they won't use additive on the stox.

Would really like Steves input now.

O and burnt my lunch now-thanks a lot! :-)

[J'MM'N]

If the experiment is to be a 100% ban, then wouldn't it be better to do it at the end of the championship, either shorten the Winter by 2 weeks or start the Summer 2 weeks later.

Will give everyone prior notice of what's happening and in the meantime if people want to experiment with no additives then they can

[ChrissieL]

Shane, sadly I'm not one of those that rate myself as 80+ on the rc booking site so cant deem myself an expert. Also, we aren't just saying this for us but those Touring car drivers who are new to the class or 'developing'.

We all know that tyres are the most important part to the setup of a car. Even if I could 'keep it on the track', my enjoyment factor is severly decreased and you dont want a more unhappy Lovell on your hands (than you already have).

Obviously, it is up to the committee (and hopefully the members) but you will see a reduction in the amount of cars, and possibly the amount of users, turning up.

C.

[RCMadShane]

You are right Guys it is not my call and I will not agree unless the committee agrees so as of right now this very second nothing has been agreed by the committee and you are still having an input.

Correct I do not run the show and I will never implement something which has not been fully discussed and possibly voted on.. I do not see myself a Judge and Jury and have never intentionally made it out to be.

I will look at each case individually and this has been pointed out to be a very valid case.. unfortunately I do not see the ability to act as fast as some of you think possible.. like I said this forum only sees a quarter of our members so it is unfair to make decisions directly here..

[grayslick]

Oh no I can see another vote coming up!

Seriously, after the summer championship vote, if you're going to ask club members to vote on this, please please make sure they realise the implications of what they are doing. I can well imagine there are enough Supastox drivers that might just say "Yes - ban it" without realising the implications for TCs.

This thread is somewhat comical. Mark makes a interesting suggestion about possibly banning oil based additive in order to help preserve the life of the carpet. Every Supastox driver on this forum seems cool with that but it has somehow manifested into an idea to suggest temporarily ban additive all together on all cars.

How did that happen?

I genuinely think we should just close down this forum, its not doing us any good.

[RCMadShane]

I have never said to ban Additive permanently and that would be a step back into the dark ages.. this thread was for a 2 week ban and really only that

[Markygia]

Grayslick - i completely agree. It went from a suggestion I made to complete unnecessary uproar.

Now we have gone back to 'nothing is going to happen this friday' - Can i go back to the very start of this thread again! I again, politely request to see whos on-board for not using oil based additive this week?

Basically -if we ignore Shanes input (hahaha - sorry Shane) what does everyone think to avoiding use of additive to see what it does?

As J'MM'N says who's up for a gentlemans agreement to not use additive this week?

I suppose I had better say (to avoid previous consequences) this post is not for the official attention of the "committee" - so therefore UNNOFFICIALLY who would still like to partake in this experiment?

If we can get most users on board (including people on the night who aint on this forum) then I reckon we can see some positive imporvements to the carpet. - and then hopefully we willl not need to ban additive - making all this fuss unnecessary.

there - i think (via Grayslick) we've pulled this thread back on track - back to where I initially started lol

[RCMadShane]

LOL.. the ability to read all gone to pot

Just for my 2p worth.. i have £25 worth of CS to use up before it "MAY" get banned.

Guess where my vote is

[grayslick]

Hmmm, I've got 2 brand new pots of it in my pit box too, ebay here I come.

I'm sure you could get most GT12 drivers to stop using it from Fri onwards for a couple of weeks, I think everyone can see the carpet is getting messy.

Obviously there will be some that ignore and some that have plastered their tyres beforehand but at least it will seriously reduce the amount that is going on the track so we would see if it makes any difference.

[J'MM'N]

What is comical is that Mark comes up with an idea 4 days ago and its implemented by Friday.

I think Mark's idea is feasible and worth a try, I also think it should be a two week experiment and possibly a 100% ban for those two weeks, sorry TC guys but a 100% ban would probably give us a better idea of carpet condition and a base to start from.

But if we are going to take this route, then can we first discuss it at the club and come up with a date in the near future when it would be feasible to do it.

I know it would be difficult for everyone to adjust to this situation especially TC, but if it is forward planned at least people will know what's going on. After the two weeks we will have a much better idea on weather it is giving any benefit to the track and what effect it has on the driving and we can then reconsider what route we take from there. Possibly reintroduce additives to TC and try Stox with no additives for a further week or two.

Personally I think it will have an ill effect on rubber tyres, but also as the additive levels come down in the carpet it will also effect foam tyres and stox drivers may well have to change to different shore tyres.

In the meantime carry on as his until a decision has been made and if people want to experiment with no additive then they can, will probably reduce chunking as well.

This is only suggestions as I don't have the answers, but I guess until we try it nobody does.

[J'MM'N]

Just catching up on replies after typing my last.

I'm willing to give it a go and all you can do is ask the rest of the club on Friday. If you get a 50% reduction that can only be beneficial and if the non additive GT12's are still winning then others may follow

[Markygia]

I previously suggested (outside this forum) that we stop using CS stuff for a couple of weeks to see what it does. if it repairs carpet, then we can eventually go back to using it again knowing that when necessary we can stop using it for short periods to bring carpet back to life.

But, what we need to do is see what happens first. all this is hypothetical as no one seems to know exactly what will happen.

Hence this should be an ongoing experiment!

[Markygia]

J'MM'N - your suggestion is very valid/reasonable.

This was all I was looking for (from our committee - so sorry if we're all jumping the gun)

I dont mind banning addiitve altogether as long as it isnt during this champs. A set date in the future is aye okay with me. I'll either run some really old tyres or something completely different. or rest my TC even.

if it needs to be done, it needs to be done. I still think we'll all be in a much better position to decide after friday once we have lessended the amount of CS additive down and seen the results. (even if use is only down by 50% as you mention -it will all help)

Everything now should just be at the idea's stage. perhaps thats where the confusion is. I thought shane was trying to implement a 100 % this friday? but he later says he needs to discuss with committee...

[Baldy1986]

For those that have not seen the website, this is the current situation:

"In recent weeks the condition of the carpet has deteriorated significantly due to the increased additives being laid down in part by the popularity of the GT12 class. The carpet is arguably the most important component of racing at Gloucester. It is essential that the club preserve the condition of the carpet.
At the recent 12th world championship they had a similar problem, the mixture of water based additives and oil based creates a nasty slime that reduces grip for all classes and stays soaked into the carpet. Oil based additives don't evaporate the same as water based additives so that the carpet stays soaked week after week and over time becomes more and more soaked. An important announcement will be made at club Friday 22nd March, watch this space for updates....."

Therefore, continue as normal tonight, unless drivers decide to have a 'gentleman's agreement'. That is up to those involved.

As stated, watch this/these space(s) for updates.

[J'MM'N]

Any update on last week announcement, want to go and buy some additive for the car but don't know what ones are now allowed.

Cheers.

[Gunter]

As quoted by Shane on page 2......


'''Still along way to go but an idea is to only allow the following adatives:..

LRP 2
Nosram
Jack the Gripper TC2

All are water based..''''

Use these and you will be fine and even after 1 week not using CS there were areas looking lighter in the acceleration zones :-)

[J'MM'N]

Thanks, will order some.

Good to hear the carpet is looking healthier.

[RogerM]

Just read the website and want to be clear about somethings ......

On the website it says that oil based additives will be banned for the next championship too ... is this correct?

If so what is the best choice of water based additive to use on foams?

Has anybody tried putting water based additives on foams that have had oil based additive previously and if so what was the effect?

What happens when you go to a different venue and need to be on oil based additives again, are the tires ok with that?

The last question is why is it that Gloucester has an issue and other clubs do (not a dig, genuine question) or do other clubs have the same issue?

How are you going to deal with people coming from other clubs that only have oil based additives?

As has happened every time so far with Gloucester club I've just got to the point of having sorted a car out for a class when the game changes ....
I really enjoy GT12 but I find myself sitting here thinking of selling it all up