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Old 06-09-2012
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Hi guys,

Sorry, I have been off for a while, but I am now 100% back on to the Lazer.

I pulled some strings and was able to get back to my University's engineering department to do some destructive testing on the Lazer to test out my front and rear gear box.

The two tests that I have done are simluation of the Lazer travelling at 50km/h and experiencing crashes. Contacting point of test #1 is the at a point 1/4" inch below the top of the front shock tower. Result, there is no damage to the front gear box, but I need a new front shock tower.

Contacting point of test #2 is again at the 1/4" inch below the rear shock tower. Result, rear gear box is intact with no damage, but I also need a new rear shock tower.

In conclusion, I believe the front & rear gear boxes and also the upper deck mounts are ready.

As stated before prices are below (I understand it's costly, but that's the best I can do):

Front gear Box (4 anodized aluminum, 2 CF pieces, 1 anodized aluminum sheet cover): $140

Upper Deck Mount (1 anodized rearupper deck mount, 4 middle upper deck mount posts): $90

Rear gear box (1 anodized aluminum base, 4 anodized aluminum cross bar, 4 spacers, 1 anodized aluminum reartower mount, 1 anodized belt tension bearing holder, 2 CF side plates, 1 CF belt tensioner): $160

Motorplate (1 anodized aluminum motorplate with heat sink): $75

Blue Belt: $25/set

Shipping cost from supplier to me will be distributed amongs the orders.

PM me if you are interested. I will take front & rear gear box, upper deck mount, motorplate orders until Sept 14 because of the expensive shipping fee that my supplier charges me and not know if I when I will make another order. As for belts, I stocked them.
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As a side note, as Welshy had experienced. The difficulty for assembling the front gear box is EXPERT. It requires patience inorder assemble it together because of it's tight tolerances. But once its assembled, it is a very tough front gear box.
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welshy40, when you said the slipper is smooth, which one did you mean, oosh's one or mine, or both? anyway your second layshaft is in the works. i asked the machinist to make 2, one for you one for me. with the spur brought in closer. you should get someone to video record your Lazer in action for all of us to see.
Do you have already an idea of the final price ?

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welshy40, when you said the slipper is smooth, which one did you mean, oosh's one or mine, or both? anyway your second layshaft is in the works. i asked the machinist to make 2, one for you one for me. with the spur brought in closer. you should get someone to video record your Lazer in action for all of us to see.
Sorry I didnt write it correctly. Your layshaft is superb and using the standard slipper from the B4.1 I have it set spot on for my gearbox on my car, but that shaft when the new one arrives will be moved to my ZXS when your newer version arrives.

On Oosh123's design he has moved the slipper metal plates much closer to the motor plate so believe there is enough room to fit the new VTS slipper clutch into the current gear cover, which as comments have stated means you can get more of a smoother drive as well as a longer life span on the slipper pads so you can have it slipping more without the worry of them burning out. I just want to test it to see what a difference it makes, plus this kindof puts a whole new perspective on things as not many cars are currently using this at the moment.

Good idea, I will get my video camera out and will make sure some videos are taken for this test. Ive also decided to try associated shocks and will see if I can get a resonable set up with more height in practice, if not back to the Traxxas shocks where the car hits the deck.

I am testing this design on Friday and will update on my findings.
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Have you thought about trying the Kyosho big bore shocks at all?
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Old 07-09-2012
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Do you have already an idea of the final price ?

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hi ema, i guess 35 GBP includes shipping, and the extension tube for the shaft.
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Have you thought about trying the Kyosho big bore shocks at all?
I have but cant wait for a while as we are still working on
designing the car.
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Ok, well last night i built the car totally and added a CF motor plate and also the VTS slipper conversion and the gear cover fits with a mm to spare, so a tight fit but none the less its there and looks superb, just hope it does what everyone has said.

Also ive CF the front two pivot blocks as my alloy ones broke so am unsure if it will be perfect tonight. Pics to follow
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Dont understand what happend, but until Jimmy can resolve all my pictures have for some reason ended up as a new thread on the vintage forum, even though I replied in this thread.
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Dont understand what happend, but until Jimmy can resolve all my pictures have for some reason ended up as a new thread on the vintage forum, even though I replied in this thread.
You mean that your little bird has left it's safe nest and is now trying out her wings amongst the fauna of vintage friends and foes? I believe she will make it, maybe we have a new queen!
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Dont understand what happend, but until Jimmy can resolve all my pictures have for some reason ended up as a new thread on the vintage forum, even though I replied in this thread.
I saw youR pics. and Wow, everything is coming together nicely!

Can you please make an exploded view on how the slipper clutch is assembled? We just need the conversion set right? is there anything we need to mod before fitting it in?
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I saw youR pics. and Wow, everything is coming together nicely!

Can you please make an exploded view on how the slipper clutch is assembled? We just need the conversion set right? is there anything we need to mod before fitting it in?

Something like this ..

http://www.avidrc.com/downloads/Inst...b_Outlines.pdf

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Something like this ..

http://www.avidrc.com/downloads/Inst...b_Outlines.pdf

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So does that mean the spur gear different?
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Looks awesome Welshy, even though it's not fully assembled in the pics. That whole rear gearbox looks like sex lol.

How come you've decided to move from the finned motorplate to a CF one, just needed a bit more carbon fiber?

Seriously amazing work from everyone involved, I keep looking on ebay for a good donor car but I keep forgetting to bid and missing the end, doh!
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So does that mean the spur gear different?
Nope. The vts you have to have a b4 slipper plate on the layshaft, then you put my design 100t b4 design spur gear from RW with one slipper pad on so it sits against the b4 slipper plate. Then the plastic vts cup sits into the hex on the front of the spur, in that a slipper pad sits at the bottom of the cup then an alloy plate and another pad and slipper plate that fits ontop of the pads in the cup and then the spring and in my case thrustvrace and nut. Its superb and much nicer to use
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Looks awesome Welshy, even though it's not fully assembled in the pics. That whole rear gearbox looks like sex lol.

How come you've decided to move from the finned motorplate to a CF one, just needed a bit more carbon fiber?

Seriously amazing work from everyone involved, I keep looking on ebay for a good donor car but I keep forgetting to bid and missing the end, doh!
Felt like cf as i needed another one as ive two rear gearboxes, original proto and upgraded version so i can just unscrew the whole front and rear and swop over another one, but am having one chassis for Oosh123's design and one back up with my full design, but both cars will have my rear gearbox design on
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FYI

Repro bumpers OT-93

http://www.oople.com/forums/showthre...=108570&page=4
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Well over priced for a remold, cost should be about £8, as £25 is too expensive. For £8 he could sell a lot more and still make a tidy profit, but does he realise that for twice the price you could just buy one carbon fibre bumper from Oosh123 and be better off.
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Welshy have you got a pic of the CF bumper from Oosh?
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Well over priced for a remold, cost should be about £8, as £25 is too expensive. For £8 he could sell a lot more and still make a tidy profit, but does he realise that for twice the price you could just buy one carbon fibre bumper from Oosh123 and be better off.
It really sucks that these bumpers aren't made more affordable to those of us wanting a couple. I understand there are costs involved in producing such items but I can only imagine that the asking price for these repro bumpers heavily reflect how rare and expensive the original items sell for.
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