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Old 22-12-2010
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Default LiPo Ruling (split from the COBRA Regional thread)

spoke with bob about this the other day as he went to the brca meetings. The is talk etc over the rule of lipo sacks, but still no text to understand exactly what they want. but bob did say it seams its only the "power plant cells" that are being policed. so rx and tx packs wont come into the rule about being charged in lipo sacks. but still i haven't seen any of this in writing, so take this as hear say.
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So, the only thing I've seen about lipo sacks so far...

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25.6 LiPo/LiFe drive batteries must be charged in a "Lipo sack" at all times.
LiPo sack is defined as a receptacle designed for the purpose of charging LiPo/LiFe batteries and of a suitable construction as to contain a LiPo/LiFe fire.

Rationale: Safety we have seen incidents recently where LiPo fires have occurred. We need to make all efforts to minimise the risk if this happens.

Proposed: BRCA 1500 Paul Worsley. 08.09.10 Seconded: David Rowcliffe Carried Unanimously

Taken from the minutes of the BRCA 1:10th electric offroad AGM (found HERE). It makes no other reference as to when the rule applies, not until we see it in the context of the entire rule book. Those more familiar with the rule book might have a feel for where this fits in.

Are we usually sent copies of the next years rules with our membership cards? Or does that come separately? I can't remember!!!
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Are we usually sent copies of the next years rules with our membership cards? Or does that come separately? I can't remember!!! [/LEFT]
They didn't arrive with the membership cards, so should be sent out separately soon
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Id love to hear where you have all heard this "all lipos must be charged in lipo bags from Jan 1st 2011" rule..

Ive even been told that it applies to club nights with no exceptions?

Maybe ill stop going to the BRCA Exec meetings every 3 months and ill just pop down to Wales for the updates on the gossip
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http://www.brca.org/sites/default/fi...nts%202010.pdf


This is it guys!!!!

As off the first on January all cars must be charged in a lipo bag!!!!!
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All that says is that all LiPo/LiFe drive batteries must be charged in a sack at all BRCA 1/10th Offroad Nationals?......

Where does it say anything about club nights and January 1st?
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This is it guys!!!!
As off the first on January all cars must be charged in a lipo bag!!!!!
That's the same part Andy referred to Steve, but those rules haven't been issued yet and they are only a 10th Off Road section rule, not a general BRCA rule.
Section rules don't have to be enforced at club level or even regionals.

I'm sure I'll be corrected if wrong, but if that weren't the case then we would already have to run only motors and cells that are on the Electric Board lists.
Plus, that would mean that there is a BRCA rule saying 10th lipos have to be charged in a sack but not the micro ones!

This is why there is so much confusion over it all.

Anyway, perhaps a moderator could split this discussion out of the Cobra round topic to leave us to discuss minipins and the percentage of carpet!
We can then speculate about lipo charging in a seperate thread until the BRCA rules are issued - rather than just AGM minutes.

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Sorry about hijacking the thread guys, its just annoying the amount of silly scaremongering rumours you hear.

I have another Exec meeting on 11th Jan and I will make sure to try and get some clarification to stop these silly rumours once and for all.
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I have to say, it's a pretty fundemental change to our routines, people in our region seem to have been quick to jump on the rumours of it all and try and second guess the rule change and implement something...but we've not had a proper definitive statement about it yet so it's no wonder we're all a bit confused by it! But maybe that's just because we haven't yet received our rule books for next year...

So my thought would be, people around WRCA have sort of talked about it but not explained it properly having been present at the BRCA AGM, and the BRCA haven't yet officially published the new rule (only the minutes of a meeting, which don't put it into any context)...so there is no rule change...yet!

Lets just wait until the official rules are published...anything else is surely just rumour and speculation as far as I can tell so how are we supposed to know what to do!

With something of this nature, it would be nice for the BRCA to send out a clear message so that all parties understand it!

[EDIT] beaten to it by Cris and Pete...must speed up typing! And not get distracted by work mid post, lol!
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dont forget tho, its a WRCA rule to use lipo sacks. but i know there have not been any minutes issued, so clubs are not sure where they stand.
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Does anyone have an email address for your Chairman?
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Chris,

I'm guessing you're after the WRCA Chairman, not COBRA? Send him a PM, he's on here as Hywel (for that is his name!)
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hi all, this lipo bag rule, does it include racing outdoors or does it just need to be used indoors as everyone is bunched together in a hall. the way i see it if i want to pit in the back of my van, then its only me that would be in danger of a faulty lipo if no lipo bag used. as im thinking of giving up on indoor racing id rather not waste my money on a lipo bag if its not needed for outdoor.
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All i can say is the lipo bag rule is a good one as i know of two people who didnt use and have had major problems in seeing again as their cells exploded in their faced whilst they were in the pits. The sacks or bags are a cheap alternative considering you can loose your eyesight and skin. I use mine at club and events especially in my car.
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hi all, this lipo bag rule, does it include racing outdoors or does it just need to be used indoors as everyone is bunched together in a hall. the way i see it if i want to pit in the back of my van, then its only me that would be in danger of a faulty lipo if no lipo bag used. as im thinking of giving up on indoor racing id rather not waste my money on a lipo bag if its not needed for outdoor.
I can sell you a sack for a fiver Ant.

It depends on how the rule is passed I believe, at the BRCA.
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Pretty sure the ruling will not differentiate between indoor and outdoor...the risk is actually the same in both as far as the brca are concerned...many people pit in groups outdoors as well!

Thankfully the bags aren't too expensive anyway!
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Andy, what I mean is, if it goes into the General Rules, then it would be obligatory for everyone, if it is a section rule, a club can adopt it.
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Default Devil's advocate anyone..?

I blame the current Health & Safety madness and the "blame" culture we live in...

Lipo cells must be safer than they have ever been but yet we still have archaic rulings to contend with...

I've seen first hand the damage lipo can do... but that was when lipo cells were considered black magic and curiosity was aroused... everyone knows the dangers of Lipo now, so maybe it is time to relax the bonds a little bit...
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