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I've no idea who the board are but are any selling batteries or connected to shops etc? You say it like I'm the only one to think this? I explained the situation to a friend and without saying anything he said sounds dodgy. And as was said a few pages ago hobbyking hurts his sales.
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The list, as defined by Graham North and a few others who have been honest is there to provide a paperwork trail just in case an issue arrises and an insurance claim ends up happening. They also check to ensure that the batteries have passed the relevant tests that are required by ALL LiPO batteries. It is a MYTH that it is safety or performance, unless of course a new battery comes out that is super brilliant, it has to wait till the next January to be legal for use at a BRCA sanctioned event, that is National and unfortunately still, regionals.
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I like a straightforward answer, wonder if I will see one............
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I'm saying if you're selling batteries then you'd have a vested interest in the list existing. Do you sell batteries? Yes or no?
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Then no I don't think you're benefitting from the list.
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the chairman doesn't sell batteries, the secretary doesn't sell batteries, the national timekeeper doesn't sell batteries, the head referee doesn't sell batteries, the mid west rep doesn't sell batteries, the mid south reps don't sell batteries, the drivers rep doesn't sell batteries, the mid east rep doesn't sell batteries.
I spend my weekends over the summer and the winter refereeing events as fairly as I can, I give up my time so racers can race at well organised well run events, I travel at my own expense to committee meetings to discuss and decide on improving the racing experience for the competitors. to be accused through innuendo of taking backhanders and lining my own pockets is frankly insulting.
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Yeah can tell you are insulted, touched a nerve. Like I was accused of being a criminal. As everyone keeps saying the brca is all of us isnt it? I never accused anyone of anything dodgy but retailers will want that list to exist so they have to buy batteries at over inflated prices.
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In order to stop repeating myself, thanks and goodnight
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The US price does not include sales tax, the UK price has 20% sales tax (VAT). That's why hen you import from the US you have to pay VAT on it!! The cost of running a business is US is less than the UK including pay and business rates. Sorry to let the facts get in the way of your good story... Quote:
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The chemistry of a LiPo means that it can grow crystals that puncture the separators and cause a short. That process is a function of the manufacturing process and the chemistry of the parts of a LiPo. Cheap LiPos are made in factories where process control is lower than the best. It doesn't take much - a 0.005mm burr on the metal plates when being sheared, the smallest contaminant when mixing the chemicals, lack of control in pressing the plates and separators together. The biggest cause of LiPo fires are faults in the manufacturing process, not in the charging and discharging. We can certainly make matters worse by over-volting during charging, or running them flat. But it is more often the case that just using them with those little faults built in can lead to a catastrophic failure. Again, sorry to let facts get in the way of a good story... |
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As I've just posted on fb:
'This whole thread highlights the single reason why online voting would kill the BRCA overnight... So many people who don't want/have a full understanding of the reasoning behind rules would be voting. At the AGM the rules can be clearly explained, with reasoning and then everyone can make an informed decision. Uninformed voting would be dangerous...' The EB list is there for many many good reasons. Maybe some of those reasons are a little outdated today, but who knows where we are going? The list helps in that where ever we head the foundations for a solid set of rules are in place. The list has also got us to where we are. Without the EB list there would be no Lipo rules: No sizes, no availability, no cost cap, etc. it wouldn't be unrealistic to have to buy a different Lipo for each brand of car at whatever cost the manufacturer deemed. There wouldn't be any 'cheap' ones as they'd all be different! And yes, the list does ensure you have to buy from a UK source. Whilst some think this is the worlds worst thing, without UK shops/distributors/manufacturers, there would be no RC Hobby industry, no racing, and no thread to argue on! I don't think it's massively unreasonable to for the UK sanctioning body to support UK business so there's some UK racing. For those that wish to see the EB list abolished, is this in it's entirety? Just certain elements of it? If so, which elements? Or just so that you can use your cheap Lipo's that aren't currently on the list?
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If someone just puts in a proposal to "allow online voting" without being able to say how it would be implemented, then there's no point proposing it in the first place. One member, one vote, is this restricted to one section or can we all vote for every section whether we have any interest in it at all? The committee (which particular committee is that?) can't set the motions, nor make any changes that aren't voted for at the AGM. Maybe some day everyone will read the handbook they get with their membership, and not ignore when proposals are asked for, and maybe even turn up at the AGM. When that happens there would be no more threads moaning about rule changes that never happened because people would have gone out and done something about it instead of expecting someone to do it for them.
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A cartel would imply the AGM is restricted to people in the trade with a vested interest. In fact it's the complete opposite, anyone who is a BRCA member can turn up and vote however they want. Manufacturers representatives can be there, which is useful when considering all implications of proposals, but the 20 or so members that turned up at the AGM were there because they could be bothered to take some responsibility to the way off road is run in the UK and want to be involved. If you think the 20 people there are part of some cartel or conspiracy between manufacturers, then just turn up with 30 mates and you could be guaranteed to get your way on any proposals.
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Retail sales aren't Schumachers business, their online site is there to ensure that their products are available and to be used as a last resort if your local shop doesn't stock or won't order the kits or parts you want. If Schumacher sold at a discount then why would any shops stock their products when you can buy cheaper direct from them. As for prices in the US, remember the US prices are without any sales tax. That's only payable if they are sold to buyers in that state, and is added on afterwards. The UK prices include the 20% sales tax we have known as vat.
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Batteries, the EB List and battery construction, the list is only there to confirm that the supplied sample meets and conforms to the construction rules laid down in the EB rules, so in there we have the maximum sizes for the batteries so that rules out the odd shaped ones etc. It also ensures that the supplier of the sample has the correct paperwork to support the application with regard to test certificates etc. What the EB list doesn't do is stop people buying cells from overseas that are on the list, it doesn't stop many MANY different batteries being used at club etc which I think is where the danger lays. Col, what is the fear of online voting. Anyone in the BRCA can rock up to ANY of the sections AGM/EGM and vote, you don't have to have an interest in that section. As for the Webinar, you could just stream the debate live and allow people to vote. I for one don't have the time or the funds to attend the AGM in person, but I could make the time to listen to the debate via a live stream and make an informed decision. Or is it the fact that if someone has the time/determination to make it to the AGM they theoretically are making a concious decision to improve the sport/hobby?
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There's no fear of on-line voting. The issue we have come across at every Section AGM is that the original proposals are often poorly worded and could lead to rules that are not what is wanted.
Here's my favourite example. The TC Section received a proposal designed to limit the speed of the cars. The proposal said "Limit motors to a maximum of 12 turns." (Shows how old it is, that is 12 turns on a brushed motor!) The idea the proposer had was to use nothing more powerful than a 12 turn motor, thus preventing the then-popular 7- and 8-turn motors sending speeds into the stratosphere. So what is wrong with that proposal? A maximum of 12 turns means that you can only use motors with less than 12 turns - exactly the opposite of the proposer's intention! After a long debate in which the general mood of the meeting was that this was a good idea, I pointed out that in order to achieve their intention the rule had to say "a minimum of 12 turns." I hope that illustrates the point. Another one was the proposal this year at the 10th Off-Road AGM to allow Regionals to run without the EB list. That was withdrawn before being discussed, let alone voted. It isn't the lack of, or fear of the technology needed. It is the practical situation that proposals need discussion where new points and views are raised, amendments can be agreed and then a vote is taken. Straight votes on proposals are the exception, not the norm at AGMs. The number of people who change their vote in light of the discussions is high. I would be in favour of 'remote' voting if it were for simple proposals that need a simple vote. However, our sport is complex and the people who help to run it find the current system works the best in getting the best rules into the book. HTH |
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