leagality, lipo and insurance

[super__dan]

I agree with Chris and Tom,

Jimmy I'm sure you are wrong, when we started running brushless you had to run ones that were on the list, I remember Derek Brady explaining the point at every regional at drivers briefing (who wasn't listening ).

At scruitineering for any regional we should by rights have the homologation cells and motors list and check all cars. We don't as a rule but that's on the basis people aren't deliberatly running non legal kit.

Remember rules help control the fun!

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

As you posted quoting Jim Spencer

'the Bike section haven't adopted the EB yet' Hence the don't run to EB rules. However, 1/10th Off-Road do, and as the regionals are BRCA sanctioned events they are run to BRCA/EB homl lists. Therefore as Lipo do not appear on any list they are not approved. Same way Reedy brushless motors are not allowed.

Originally Posted by losixxx

looks like you didnt read jims post mark not me

yeh but no but yeh ...............................i did read it and i also read the one from paul (head of EB) saying "LiPo cells are not allowed to be used at any BRCA sanctioned events during 2007"
yet the bikes do so at thier brca sanctioned nationals! that leaves little confidence in his thoughts on the matter

as i understood it yes they (off road) use the EB rules but they can opt to alter or allow somin at regionals

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by super__dan

I agree with Chris and Tom,

Jimmy I'm sure you are wrong, when we started running brushless you had to run ones that were on the list, I remember Derek Brady explaining the point at every regional at drivers briefing (who wasn't listening ).

At scruitineering for any regional we should by rights have the homologation cells and motors list and check all cars. We don't as a rule but that's on the basis people aren't deliberatly running non legal kit.

Remember rules help control the fun!

so if some one turned up at a regional with a silver can motor or an old corally modified motor and stick pack cells from tamiya etc, you would disqaulify them or not let them race?

[DCM]

Although valid, that is a rather daft argument, it isn't that they are non-homolgated, but a known quantity and general construction, plus, if someone is running that gear, they are obviously new.

If a region decides to allow you to run brushless and LiPo, then I hope then enforce the minimum weight limit.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by DCM

Although valid, that is a rather daft argument, it isn't that they are non-homolgated, but a known quantity and general construction, plus, if someone is running that gear, they are obviously new.

If a region decides to allow you to run brushless and LiPo, then I hope then enforce the minimum weight limit.

or old and making a return!
perfectly aceptable

just as a side note, lipo sadle packs are not far away, so all can play

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

so if some one turned up at a regional with a silver can motor or an old corally modified motor and stick pack cells from tamiya etc, you would disqaulify them or not let them race?

That type or range will then be deleted enabling the current lists to be maintained at a manageable size. [It is not intended that previously homologated motors cease to be eligible when they are removed from the lists – event scrutineers within the UK should not turn away competitors using old motors just because they are no longer shown on the current homologation lists].

Can we please start reading the rule books, they normally contain the answers

While we are reading the rules.

1/10th Off-Road handbook states:

25. BATTERIES
25.1 Cars will be driven by a maximum of six rechargeable cells, which cannot be replaced after a race has started.
25.2 The description, specification and types of rechargeable batteries approved for use in Off-Road Sanctioned events can be found in the section entitled ‘BRCA Electric Board’ (EB).

Lipo breaks both them rules, hence cannot be used at sanctioned events, hence cannot be used at regionals, as looking at this rule:

4.1 Off-Road Sanctioned events include the National Championship Series, Regional Championship Series, Indoor Finals, Junior & Veterans’ Championship, British Regional Championship (BRC) and the Inter-Regional F3/F4/F5 Championship. It is possible that further specific events could be sanctioned by the committee.

Regionals are a sanctioned event.

[mark christopher]

you do dont you, you race tc too ;-)

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by Cockerill

Same way Reedy brushless motors are not allowed.

ok another question, if the reedy decal was removed and a lrp/nosram was put on what then? same motor, same markings (vetec) now with a holmlogated decal/name

[Cockerill]

I'm not in a position to give an official answer but I would assume it becomes a legal motor. Although where you would get a LRP/Nosram sticker from I don't know, because as far as I know no-one imports or sells them. Therefore you would have to have a LRP/Nosram motor to begin with.

[PaulRotheram]

Alreet, think the questionings are getting abit silly now, this could go on, and on, and on. Offroad is a civilised place, relaxed as it were.

The questions have been answered, so please don't let the thread drag out with petty questions which we all know the answers to already with abit of common sence.

[Cockerill]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

you do dont you, you race tc too ;-)

And again, Nope.

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by PaulRotheram

Alreet, think the questionings are getting abit silly now, this could go on, and on, and on. Offroad is a civilised place, relaxed as it were.

The questions have been answered, so please don't let the thread drag out with petty questions which we all know the answers to already with abit of common sence.

ok more important did you sort ur car out?

[Chrislong]

Hi Guys,
I missed all the fun!!!

But one point missed by all:
6x Sub-C cells = 7.2v
Lipo pack = 7.4v

Therefore I doubt Lipo will be homoligated for use in the foreseeable future.

[Cockerill]

If only you had told us that yesterday

[DCM]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

ok another question, if the reedy decal was removed and a lrp/nosram was put on what then? same motor, same markings (vetec) now with a holmlogated decal/name

Mark, you well know that, even if you bring another stock/19t/mod motor in, that is already done by someone else, albeit another label, you have to have the motor homologated, careless if it is 'identical' to someone elses brand motor.

[PaulRotheram]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

ok more important did you sort ur car out?

Still in the process of fixings,

back on topic - lipo

[losixxx]

Originally Posted by mark christopher

yeh but no but yeh ...............................i did read it and i also read the one from paul (head of EB) saying "LiPo cells are not allowed to be used at any BRCA sanctioned events during 2007"
yet the bikes do so at thier brca sanctioned nationals! that leaves little confidence in his thoughts on the matter

as i understood it yes they (off road) use the EB rules but they can opt to alter or allow somin at regionals

NO THEY CAN'T MARK

[mark christopher]

Originally Posted by losixxx

NO THEY CAN'T MARK

Losi

You sure???

[Chrislong]

Originally Posted by losixxx

NO THEY CAN'T MARK

Wow, don't shout so loud, my eyes are ringing!

[big si]

Originally Posted by Chrislong

Hi Guys,
I missed all the fun!!!

But one point missed by all:
6x Sub-C cells = 7.2v
Lipo pack = 7.4v

Therefore I doubt Lipo will be homoligated for use in the foreseeable future.

this isnt realy an arguement if you look at new style cells like 4200mah

there voltage on a pack of good cells is what 1.22-1.23v per cell x6=7.32-7.38volts per pack so your already at the 7.4v marker so where is the difference?

cells today have passed there own voltage limit because our cells are worked so much harder to get the most from them lipo is a serious contender. if people want to run them why stop them as there is no advantage in voltage