BRCA SE 2WD Regional Championship RD3 - Sunday 04 July - KMRC

[brookie]

As the title says, Round 3 (of 4) of the 2010 SE 2WD Regional Off-road Championships. As per usual there will also be an Open class to cater for drivers from outside the SE Region and those wishing to run a 4WD around. There will also be provision for Round 3 (of 4) of the 'unofficial' SE Regional SCT & Stadium Truck Championship for 2WD (ONLY!) electric trucks, more details here: http://www.oople.com/forums/showthre...t=41755&page=2

To be held at Kent Model Rallycross Club (check out: http://www.kmrc.org.uk/) on Sunday 04 July 2010.

Track WILL NOT open until approx. 08:30 for practice so please DO NOT arrive too early!

See you all there, don't forget FREE entry for ALL Juniors, U13's and U16's, trophies for the top three in both Junior age groups.

Oh and don't forget your 2010 BRCA Membership details please, there may be a check! Membership application forms will be available for non-members to join on the day!

The address and Postcode for KMRC is: LINTON, Maidstone, Kent. ME17 4BB

Only directions I have are from the North. Linton is a village on the A229 South of Maidstone, leaving the village, heading south the road you want is the second on the right, opposite Linton Park. Proceed down this lane for approx. 1/2 mile and after a 90 degree right look for a new/re-furbished Oast house on your left the track down to KMRC is down the right-hand side of the oast house.

Tyres: These were discussed at the Regional meeting and it was agreed by ALL represented clubs that we would, after testing, nominate tyres for this event to save drivers having to buy specialised and expensive tyres that they may not be able to use elsewhere.
In the interests of keeping this short, following a visit to the venue, testing and consultation with experienced drivers, both of rallycross vehicles at the venue and 1:10 electric, nominated tyres will be either Schumacher or Ballistic Buggy.

Tyre type and compound will be up to the individual driver but they MUST BE manufactured by either Schumacher or Ballistic Buggy.
IN THE INTERESTS OF FAIRNESS FOR DRIVERS, CARS WILL BE CHECKED

Please check out this link for any other details I may have missed: http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44660

[Team No Idea]

Originally Posted by brookie

Tyre type and compound will be up to the individual driver but they MUST BE manufactured by either Schumacher or Ballistic Buggy.
IN THE INTERESTS OF FAIRNESS FOR DRIVERS, CARS WILL BE CHECKED

Please check out this link for any other details I may have missed: http://www.oople.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44660

A few chaps have mentioned the use of Proline ribbed fronts this weekend? I take it thats a no no?

[Extreme]

the rear tyre is the only control tyre, there are no reasons that you would not be able to use ribbed front tyre

i will be bringing mine

[brookie]

Wouldn't bother if I was you!

Could somebody please point out which bit of this is NOT CLEAR:

'Tyres: These were discussed at the Regional meeting and it was agreed by ALL represented clubs that we would, after testing, nominate tyres for this event to save drivers having to buy specialised and expensive tyres that they may not be able to use elsewhere.
In the interests of keeping this short, following a visit to the venue, testing and consultation with experienced drivers, both of rallycross vehicles at the venue and 1:10 electric, nominated tyres will be either Schumacher or Ballistic Buggy.

Tyre type and compound will be up to the individual driver but they MUST BE manufactured by either Schumacher or Ballistic Buggy.
IN THE INTERESTS OF FAIRNESS FOR DRIVERS, CARS WILL BE CHECKED'

The rear tyre rule is for BRCA NATIONAL ONLY (and in some other Regions!), the tyre rule brought in specifically for the two KMRC rounds is a Regional variation.

Hope this is now clear, SCHUMACHERS and BALLISTIC BUGGY tyres ONLY, FRONT and REAR, it's only fair for all drivers, so, like mentioned previously drivers do not have the expense of specialised tyres that they will not be able to use elsewhere.

This local ruling DOES NOT, obviously apply to the 'unofficial' Truck Championship! With SCT's not having the choice of using both these brands.

[jim76]

phew, i don't have any ribs!! lol

thanks for clarifying Steve

[brookie]

And that's the whole point!

[jim76]

what was the consensus from the 4wd round on what worked? did everyone just run yellows, or were blues, ballistics better?

[discostu]

Originally Posted by jim76

what was the consensus from the 4wd round on what worked? did everyone just run yellows, or were blues, ballistics better?

ok the rule was put in place for the 4wd which was fine however to be at the sharp end you would need to run balistic pink which not many drivers had in there box so we ended up buying them anyway. im still having trouble getting into my head why if you wanna be competitve why you wouldn't put new tyres on anyway as new tyres are always faster on a race track like kent.

i still feel the tyre choice was wrong for kent and felt the days racing was very frustrating i know people will say every body was in the same boat but they wasn't if you had bb pinks on.

hanna and mark and there team done a great job and the meeting had a good atmosfere.

[jim76]

how many runs were they getting out of a set of pinks Stu?

[discostu]

most of the day but i did only run a 13.5 as the grip was so low and turned every thing up on the esc and gear up the car was no slower than the 6.5 you just had to tackle the jumps different and you had alot less wheel spin.

[tiny tom]

Well thanks to Mark and Hannah for putting on a great meeting, what a great day racing. Looking forward to cleaning 2wd

[jim76]

yes, thank you to the club for running a relaxed efficient meeting.

Having attended the track for the first time today i must confess i think the tyre rule was the wrong choice. I can understand the logic of limiting the tyres to the ones we usually carry, but to me this just ruined the day as the track was bordering undrivable with schumachers and ballistics. I know the track is the same for everyone, but from a personal point of view i wouldn't return again next year if the same tyre rule was in place. The cost argument about buying new makes of tyre doesn't really stack up, as to compete today you would have to run new schumacher greens which at best gave about 3 runs. So that is 2 sets of rears - £16. One set of proline bow ties etc would be £10 and last all day. In fact you could use them again the following year too as they last for ages. Not only that but the cars would then be able to RACE round the track instead of tip toe round, trying not to spin. I think the proline would also smooth out the ruts a little also, preventing the odd random kick up and spin.

That isn't a criticism of the track as i quite like racing on natural surfaces for a change instead of astro. The only problem i found with the track was the blind spot before the table top. Any wheel contact over the first humps and you had no idea what direction you were facing for the table top, and could often accelerate into a side board! Obviously not a major problem with bigger truggies etc as you can probably see the bigger car easier. Maybe a 90 degree approach coming at the table top from the side and then down over the last double would be better for next time? (obviously need a ramp building up the side!)

if the blind spots are removed and we can run appropriate tyres for the surface i think it would be a very enjoyable round again next year.

just my own thoughts

[Andy71]

Jim

I'm not sure about the need for new greens.

I ran a set of greens at the 4wd regional earlier in the year that had already done a day at EPR (so over half worn I would say) and ran them all day with a 5.5 turn motor and qualified 6th. For me the track was so hardpacked the length of spike didn't really have any bearing.

I know someone who ran blues and thought they were spot on so I'm not sure there was much between any of the compounds due to the nature of the surface.

Just for the record, I like the idea of tyres being limited to what we normally have to use as if there was any life left they could be used elsewhere.

[jim76]

i started on part worn greens and on the second run they were awful. put fresh greens on for round 3 and they were much better. 4wd will be more forgiving with the handling and getting power down.

But you are right, there wasn't much to choose between the various tyre choices, they were all terrible for the surface!!

i just see it as we go racing to be as fast as we can, so to me there is no sense in nominating tyres that are completely unsuitable, it only puts people off. And as i said, the economies don't work either. 2 sets of greens are more than 1 set of prolines, and as for using those greens elsewhere that won't really happen either. Once the tips are completely worn off the greens after 3 runs then you are pretty unlikely to use them at another regional like Faversham on wet grass etc. Again you would need fresh greens with square tips to be fully competitive.

[cgee]

thanks to Mark and Hannah for putting on a great meeting from little ellis
and me nice one.

[tymill]

Absolutley great day's racing - the RC10 felt like it was back in it's element! The dusty dirt reminds me a lot of the loose tracks I used to run that very car on back in California when I was a kid...

I agree that the tyre situation was challenging, but the last time I drove that car on dirt like this the HOT TRICK was Tamiya Holiday Buggy tyres on the stock 1.7 inch 3-piece rims.

(the then-almost-mythical "shumacher cat tyre" also commanded a great deal of respect at the track too - because they were completely unavailable over there. Everyone was SURE that they were the top tyre - if you could find them. Anyway, I tried out a hen's teeth set of 20-year old fullspikes on ancient proline 2.0 inch rims today in round 4. Rubbish. I guess it's better to just hold on to the myth...)

Cheers to all that made the day possible - thanks!

Ty

[Hairy Spider]

Thanks to Hannah and Mark for another good days racing

[shqureshi]

Same here, thanks Hannah and Mark for a great days racing

[Adyb]

Hi,

Thanks to everyone for a great days racing, really enjoyed the track. Yes new tyres will always have more grip and will be faster regardless...but that's nothing new.

Tyre rule not wrong cos I can now use them at Faversham

Just need to learn to be less trigger happy!!