Schumacher tyre quality fallen again?

[Mike Hudson]

Wasn't too happy to find that a brand new set of rear mini pins lasted 5 races this weekend with the fronts worn alot more than usual also :thumbdown: has schumacher lowered the quality of tyres yet again? :( i'm starting to want to find some other manufacturer to look to for tyres now indoors and outdoors.

[Chrislong]

Hi Mike,
Where did you get them from?

I had some tyres in my box from last year and they looked used from new, and didn't work very well. New tyres bought on Sunday (new stock) had better formed spikes and gripped far better, it looks like Schumacher's quality is raising, not falling.

So the tyres you bought may be older stock, its a shame you used them so much as id suggest sending them back - may still be possible to, but personally I don't expect any of my tyres to look good after 5 runs.

For Indoors you certainly need yellow compound Schumachers for York, but outdoors why don't you try Schumacher blues? These will give far more life than what you are getting, and will work as well as yellows on the grass tracks in the Northeast, you may just need yellows for Batley tho.

Chris

[Stu]

Yeah - I'd give that the thumbs up.

[Mike Hudson]

they were from pete's fairly new stock at york, they have worn almost twice as fast as all my other sets have, i still have fronts that have little wear from durham indoor regional which grip very well!, the new tyres this weekend were more grippy than usual at first then just wore away lightning fast :( a set of rears usualy last me 2 or 3 meetings but these are almost useless and the fronts only have about 2 meetings left in them i reckon

[Wraggy]

im not to sure about the wear rate on them but i know i saw 3 cars have blow outs with them over the weekend and i didnt watch that many races so im not sure how many more it happened to :mad:.
BB dont seem to have this problem ..

[stegger]

Wraggy, i saw two of those blow outs. I think pidge done a front in the last qualifier didn't he. And on the other occasion a car was marshalled while on full power:cry: and blow up on contact with the ground.

[ben]

One of my rears had a blow out on saturday. I think the reason was because it was diffing out so one wheel was going a lot quicker than the other. My schumacher mini pins are only lasting about 4 runs and they are pretty much bald. Has the compound gone softer? Or maybe its because im going to quick hehe

ben

[super__dan]

Mike are you on about Pins as Chris is on about spikes?

The tyres at the indoor finals gripped well but did seem softer. The well formed spikes I ran on the weekend I have no complaints over and lasted very well indeed!

[ben]

Yep the tyres definatley lasted alot longer at the weekend.

[Mike Hudson]

mini pins, i've not had a problem with the mini spikes yet i don't think :confused:

[Chrislong]

Sorry, I presumed you meant spikes.

At the indoor finals I noticed newer tyres (pins) were faster than old, but wore quicker. I was okay with the wear as I liked them gripping more - but it may be worth an email to Schumacher, if you feel strongly enough then thats what you ought to do (before posting on the forum if im honest), go onto www.racing-cars.co.uk and email them politely, and they are sure to respond.

Remember to ask them tho, if you can have permission to share any responce on a forum - don't just do it as they might not want that.

[Mike Hudson]

just having to slash out £7 every week now for more rear tyres which means getting more wheels and foams aswell is going to get to me abit from knowing they used to last a good 2 or 3 meetings, not so bothered that i want to contact schumacher, will email politely to see thats its ok to have said all this but i just wanted to see what you all think and if it was just the tyres i had or whether the tyres have generaly got softer compound and better grip but wear alot faster

[rcracer]

do what chris said then and email them politely:)
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above seems poinless because you added to your post:D

[mattym0310]

Mike, could this possibly be anything to do with you running a more aggressive ESC/motor combo than you normally do? just a thought

[Lee]

Mike, when i raced the BJ4 indoor i used a set of mini pins for 3 regionals and when i put new boots on i was no quicker. I think a lot of it is down to your left thumb, if your smooth they will last, if you light the tyres up out of every turn you just killing them, and going slower

[Col]

I have some pins on my car that have been on for 4 months now...
They were awesome on sat at York (probobly because it was so hot) but will need replacing next time out.

[Chrislong]

When you email Schumacher, it may be worth giving a link to this thread mate. ;)

[mattym0310]

mike, no offence mate but as Lee said I don't think it's the tyres themselves. When I had a go with your car on saturday the car was so punchy and the throttle was like an on/off switch... I couldn't control the car.

Remember aswell, like I said you didn't have the usual brushless combo in there, it was more agressive being out of your b44.

[Cockerill]

Just out of interest what motor/speedo were you running?

[johnboy]

i think the problem is the fact the hall was very hot so the grip level was high and with an aggressive brushless set-up it will spin the wheels out of corners which will wear tyres quite quickly

[Mike Hudson]

lrp tc with punch set to 1 with 5.5L

[Mike Hudson]

i think the problem is the fact the hall was very hot so the grip level was high and with an aggressive brushless set-up it will spin the wheels out of corners which will wear tyres quite quickly

may have a point there

[johnboy]

a 5.5 in a 2wd is quite powerful all i had in my b44 was a 7.5 nice and easy to drive

[Mike Hudson]

When I had a go with your car on saturday the car was so punchy and the throttle was like an on/off switch... I couldn't control the car.

Remember aswell, like I said you didn't have the usual brushless combo in there, it was more agressive being out of your b44.

you never drove my x6 before though it's setup is very different to yours, it looked like you didnt even use the brakes you just throttled it like mad, and i did change the esc punch setting to 1

[super__dan]

A 5.5, at York, in a 2wd???

[johnboy]

i dont think the quality of schumacher tyres is in question here if you use a 5.5 in a 2wd then you will use more rear tyres .

[Mike Hudson]

you would be surprised that quite a few people run 5.5's there including the twins and i've had a 5.5L in since the beginning of the year and tyres have always lasted longer than this

[johnboy]

MADNESS fast inbetween crashes lol:p

[johnboy]

you would be surprised that quite a few people run 5.5's there including the twins and i've had a 5.5L in since the beginning of the year and tyres have always alsted longer than this

its not been as warm in the hall before last sat night

[Mike Hudson]

as chris long said he thought the compound was slightly softer and more grippy when he was at the indoor finals, i will find out this saturday if it's any different with 4wd although tyres will wear even more in 4wd

[mattym0310]

the reason why "it didn't look like i was even using the brakes" was because I used it on two corners, one of which yes i did use the brakes, the second there was no need to as i was already driving steadily and it was not a tight corner. It looked like i was going way to fast because I was only tapping, if that, the thottle stick and yet the car moved at half throttle pace.

[paulc]

im not to sure about the wear rate on them but i know i saw 3 cars have blow outs with them over the weekend and i didnt watch that many races so im not sure how many more it happened to :mad:.
BB dont seem to have this problem ..

yeah i had that problem two and a half runs before it ripped apart :o:( and at 8 quid ago i expect them to last a little longer 2 and a half races suppose just one of them things

[Mike Hudson]

the reason why "it didn't look like i was even using the brakes" was because I used it on two corners, one of which yes i did use the brakes, the second there was no need to as i was already driving steadily and it was not a tight corner. It looked like i was going way to fast because I was only tapping, if that, the thottle stick and yet the car moved at half throttle pace.

if the throttle response was anything like that i woudn't be able to drive it, the throttle curve on my transmitter is perfectly fine, if it was how you think it is, my car would proberly be upside down more than upright, it's just one of those things, i coudn't drive your car half as fast i can mine because it was set different and it takes time to get used to it

[MikePimlott]

Sorry to point out the obvious but has this problem been since the 4 gear conversion in your X6 ???

[Mike Hudson]

no as ive had the 4 gear since the beginning of the year, it's narrowed down to fact that it was a hot day, could have been the tyres, or the speedo being a tc version but it was set to 1 on punch where my usual sphere comp i have set to 2 or 3

[rcluke]

my minipins dont last 3 runs on polished wood :cry:

[Mike Hudson]

my minipins dont last 3 runs on polished wood :cry:
:wtf:

[Lowie]

One of my rears had a blow out on saturday....

What is a blow-out? And how does it happen?
thx

[darryl]

i used brand new mini pins on the 501x on saturday night at york, and the usual story first round no grip whilst bedding in then next 3 rounds and final perfect, next to no wear at all, it all goes on driving style the more agressive you are on the throttle the higher the wear rate, my opinon is the tyres are no different to what ive used before and those who no me for being the tight arse that i am, i can make them last 4/5 meetings:p

[Lee]

What is a blow-out? And how does it happen?
thx


Its where the tyre rips apart it usually happens when someone is on their roof and keep the throttle nailed. That is the only time i have ever seen it happen;)

[ashleyb4]

Ive just got a few new set oftyres and i can see what you mean i have a set of 4wd front sthat liike like tey have done a few laps the spikes have round edges. And the shape of the spikes on the rear is rubbish.

A

[Richard Lowe]

When the temperature is up at York the tyres wear more, but grip more too on the hall floor. I get 2 runs at the most at full performance with the latest softer pins, even with the 7.5 in my 2wd :(

I usually run them for about 2 meetings before they are unusable.

[Welshy40]

Wasn't too happy to find that a brand new set of rear mini pins lasted 5 races this weekend with the fronts worn alot more than usual also :thumbdown: has schumacher lowered the quality of tyres yet again? :( i'm starting to want to find some other manufacturer to look to for tyres now indoors and outdoors.

Why dont you contact Schumacher direct, and explain the problems you had. They sorted me out with a new set recently, and I think they are aware of the issues that we are having. Mind you keep those tires as you may have to send them back to Schumacher to get a new set.

[dave p hall]

never had a problem with schui tyres,tried some ballistic's latley no problems with them either:)i must admit there is a bit of raggy rubber on schui's.but i think one simple reason for tyre's wearing out quick,is the rapid motors we use now a days,battery's that give mega punch.you watch some car's going around the track,and the tyre's are getting well ragged.it aian't rocket science if you ask me.

[Lowie]

Which Ballistic tyre (compound) is comparable with the Schumacher Mini Pins Yellow and the Schumacher mini-spikes Yellow?
Do they exist?

[dave p hall]

take back what i said about schui tyre's:lol:the latest set i bought for 4wd,yellow mini spikes:mad:couldn't beleive how bad front moulding's were,when you looked down the middle of front tyre's.one half was like 1 mm below the other half:thumbdown:and the rear spike's,rather then wearing down from the top of the spike.some of the spike's are crumbeling away around the side's:mad::thumbdown::(

[Chrislong]

take back what i said about schui tyre's:lol:the latest set i bought for 4wd,yellow mini spikes:mad:couldn't beleive how bad front moulding's were,when you looked down the middle of front tyre's.one half was like 1 mm below the other half:thumbdown:and the rear spike's,rather then wearing down from the top of the spike.some of the spike's are crumbeling away around the side's:mad::thumbdown::(

Sounds like you got an older bag and what a few of us described at the time as "Pre scubbed", the tyre quality currently coming out of Schumacher is far better than approx' 6-12 months ago-ish - which is why it sounds like the bag you got is old stock.

I hope you haven't used it, as I recommend you give this pair of tyres back to the shop bought from, and get them to return to Schumacher. Anything from current Schumacher stock is far superior to what you are describing mate. ;)

[dave p hall]

Sounds like you got an older bag and what a few of us described at the time as "Pre scubbed", the tyre quality currently coming out of Schumacher is far better than approx' 6-12 months ago-ish - which is why it sounds like the bag you got is old stock.

I hope you haven't used it, as I recommend you give this pair of tyres back to the shop bought from, and get them to return to Schumacher. Anything from current Schumacher stock is far superior to what you are describing mate. ;)

oop's:lol:your right,i should have taken back.will do next time:)any how,what do you mean"pre scubbed":confused:

[jim76]

they came out looking like they had already done a race or two!

[Richard Lowe]

what do you mean"pre scubbed":confused:
The spike shape looks like they have had a run or too on them already and don't have the square top on the spike :(

[dave p hall]

The spike shape looks like they have had a run or too on them already and don't have the square top on the spike :(

i see what you mean:lol:thank's for explaining:thumbsup: