Losi Xcelorin Brushless Combo

[Danny McGee]

If anyones interested in having a look at this little bit of kit ill be running it at the weekend. Im going to be trying to motor in practise as its not legal yet but i shall be running the speedo in 2wd so feel free to have a nose. Ill be in a huge bloody tent thats bright yellow somewhere around on the friday, sat and sun.

Details found here.
http://www.losi.com/Electronics/Motors_ESCs.aspx

Danny

[Body Paint]

The motor can looks very similar to Novak doesn't it.

How come there's no 5.5T Danny? Seems an odd wind to miss out

[tyreman]

Got mine as well.

[mattym0310]

Is it just a coincidence that the motors look exactly the same as Novak ones, the ESC spec sounds similar [if not, exactly the same] and it's foot print is only 1mm smaller? :confused::eh?:

Looks good though! :thumbsup:

[Danny McGee]

The motor can looks very similar to Novak doesn't it.

How come there's no 5.5T Danny? Seems an odd wind to miss out

Honestly im not to sure why they left that one out. Just had the 6.5 up an down the road an it seems pretty good to me, very smooth which i like.

guess the proof will be in the pudding at the weekend :)

[Darren Boyle]

Ran mine in my TC (4.5) and 2wd (6.5) last week and was well impressed! Bloomers had a go with the TC and he too loved he feel and speed of it. Cant wait for them to become BRCA approved, I think they may well become popular then...............especially at the price they are at.

[B4 Sloth]

Thanks to Dms mine arrived today. My B4 is still in bits and needing a good clean. Now deliberating to wait for a vortex shell or heat up my unpainted shell. Who has done this before, How much can i stretch it- enough to get the speedo under?

[Gnarly Old Dog]

Got one to play with as well:p

Am recovering well after having fallen off my chair when I checked out the price.:woot:

No serious damage to me or my wallet - The combo price is amazing at £134.99 RRP. Yeah - that's right a 6.5T motor AND ESC - complete with cooling fan atop the ESC.

Can't wait to get it installed and for it to be homologated.

[losidriver70]

does the esc that runs the 6400KV motor,still work with the 13.5,10.5 6.5 series motors!


[email protected] any help would be appreciated Thank You!:eh?:

[Darren Boyle]

No the esc for the Kv rated sensorless motors is different to the sensored speedo for 3.5 to 13.5 sensored motors

[bbq]

Danny!
How was it?
Losi Xcelorin vs LRP sphere who is the winner?

[Darren Boyle]

Losi Xcelorin vs LRP sphere who is the winner?
On overall performance the Sphere (just) but it is nearly twice the price, but on value for money and "very good" performance the Losi all the way

[silky]

Hi Chaps, I bought one of these combos last week, a 6.5 sensored system and when I tried to use it at the weekend, I could not get it to work. Me and Craig Harris set it up numerous times, sometimes it would take the calibration and sometimes it would'nt. When it did take the setup calibration and we thought it was fine, it would run for a second or two then just stop, if I let go of the throttle stick for a few seconds it would then go again, then stop after another second or so, and thats it! One point is though, that it didnt seem to stop if i was holding the car without the wheels on the floor.

Anyone got any ideas? I dont want to send it back and look like an idiot lol.

Thanks for any help guys.

[Northy]

Sounds like something to do with the sensors?
Have you tried another sensor wire?

G

[sparrow.2]

I had exactly the same problem with my speedo when the capacitor was bust. It would run fine in my hand but as soon as it hit the ground and started pulling more amps the speedo switched off.

[silky]

Cheers for the quick replys guys,

Northy, Havent got another wire to try, so I havent been able to do that.

Sparrow - Did you have to send yours back, as it seems to be the same problem?

Thanks

[sparrow.2]

You can try soldering on a new capacitor yourself. the layout of the speedo looks similar to Novak so it's all easy to get to. The one included is a 16v 8200mf I think, so anything of around about that size would work fine and you can probably get hold of one in an electronics hardware shop or model shop.

Be carefull to connect it properly though! If you don't think you're up to it somebody at your local track ought to be able to help you out.

If that doesn't work you might have to send it in.

[Kopite]

does anyone have an educated guess as to when the motors will become legal (1/10 sensored)?

they're blue and shiny :drool:

[ashleyb4]

Yea i wouldnt mind one eiher after my peak 6.5 gave up the ghost im on the look out for a nwe motor and one of these would be ace but there not legal for regionals :(

A

[Chequered Flag Racing]

does anyone have an educated guess as to when the motors will become legal (1/10 sensored)?

they're blue and shiny :drool:

No is the answer.

Depends if & when the importer has sent them into the BRCA Electric Board for tech inspection. They may not even pass :o

reply to thread on another forum were I asked a similar question,

Not prepared to list any other motors that have been submitted and "not passed" the 10.5 spec Electric Board tests. That's an Electric Board wide stance, so don't expect to approach other members and get any other response http://www.rcracechat.com/vb/images/smilies/wink.gif

If you really do want to know if a particular motor has been submitted, I suggest speaking to it's UK importer/distributor. They may or may not be prepared to share that information - it's their call.

We do know there are a number of other 10.5 motors due to be submitted in the near future, and well in advance of the 1/12th National season (which is why I assume you're asking Glenn).

In the meantime we have the Nosram and Novak to race with and learn from http://www.rcracechat.com/vb/images/smilies/cool.gif

Any new 10.5 motors will be published on the Electric Board site the Monday following approval.

Hope that helps,
Mark Burgess
BRCA Electric Board Secretary
BRCA 1/10th Electric Circuit section Secretary and Satefy Officer

[losixxx]

motor is legal now! had confirmation from PW yesterday, list just hasnt been updated by webmaster yet..

[tyreman]

Mines staying in for the weekend now. Glad I did a day testing with it for gearings.

[Northy]

motor is legal now! had confirmation from PW yesterday, list just hasnt been updated by webmaster yet..


It's not legal for me if it's not on the list on the site! :thumbdown:

I thought they only got updated on a Monday, so won't be on until next week now?:confused:

G

[losixxx]

thats up to you m8, but if the homoligation officers tell's me its legal then that will do me!

[Northy]

Its up to the meeting's scrutineerer's to pass a car as legal, and he/she can only use the information he/she has at the time. As the list is only updated on Monday's then the list for this weekend is as it is now, therefore not legal IMHO.

Paul loves people posting stuff like this on public forums :(

[tyreman]

It's on the list on the BRCA website

[Northy]

That's fine then, no problems any more.
It's just as a rule it only gets updated on a Monday :)

G

[losixxx]

Its up to the meeting's scrutineerer's to pass a car as legal, and he/she can only use the information he/she has at the time. As the list is only updated on Monday's then the list for this weekend is as it is now, therefore not legal IMHO.

Paul loves people posting stuff like this on public forums :(


the list WAS updated on monday just not posted on the brca website! from the horse's mouth!

[ashleyb4]

righty then im getting one

A

[ashleyb4]

has anyone tried the motors with a nosram/lrp speedo? Do they work? Cant see why not just want to check.

A

[josh_smaxx]

:( they dont do a 7.5 :(

[ashleyb4]

be a man josh.

A

[josh_smaxx]

be a man josh.

A

:p i only want it for indoors.

I know someone who found a 4.5 to be the best in a 2wd indoors, it was awesome watching him drive.

[ashleyb4]

ive seen someone run a 3.5 outdoors in a b4 it didnt even get to half speed :p

A

[josh_smaxx]

My other mate used to run 3.5 in a B4 indoors, that was funny.

[LEGEND]

Yes i remember that, then he tried it on a lipo and it was popping wheelies on the slippy with bald tire on.:lol:

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Mines staying in for the weekend now. Glad I did a day testing with it for gearings.

Is that with the Losi esc & motor?

Which motor are you using and in which car?

What ratio have you settled on?

[Spencer Mulcahy]

I ran mine on sunday and it was very good the power delivery was very smooth 6.5 t was a bit disapointed with the speed but I realised that I had the timing set wrong so once that is changed it will be perfect, more than happy with it and for the price yon cant go wrong. The setup card is a work of genious it is that easy I can use it.:thumbsup:

[Gnarly Old Dog]

What did you do to the timing Spencer and was it in your 2 or 4WD?

What overall ratio did you have it on?
Taa

[tyreman]

Is that with the Losi esc & motor?

Which motor are you using and in which car?

What ratio have you settled on?

Losi XXXcr, LRP Sphere 2007 spec speedo, Losi 6.5 motor geared on 25/78 7.58 overall ratio.

[Spencer Mulcahy]

What did you do to the timing Spencer and was it in your 2 or 4WD?

What overall ratio did you have it on?
Taa

Sorry for the late reply I have just come back to the computer. It was set up using the 3rd profile "Off-Road" but I forgot to change the motor timing from Low 2deg to the normal 4 deg. This would have made the motor faster on the straight I thing it could have gone higher maybe 6deg as it was coming of cool and it was pretty warm on Sunday. I was running it in my X6 but I have made a bracket for a cooling fan on the motor so that helps a bit. I was running 19t pinion on an 81 spur with the 6.5 motor.

[tjf]

So wheres the best place to buy one???

[Spencer Mulcahy]

DMS racing they are fantastic very helpfull.

[ashleyb4]

Yup i have to agree with spencer dms racing are ace but lots of other shops also have accounts with horrizon such as microtech racing mk racing and dc racing so they should all be able to get them.

A

[Darren Boyle]

Thanks gus for the plugs, yes we have the full compliment in stock at very reasonable pricing

[Chequered Flag Racing]

I was running it in my X6 but I have made a bracket for a cooling fan on the motor so that helps a bit. I was running 19t pinion on an 81 spur with the 6.5 motor.

Losi 6.5 motor geared on 25/78 7.58 overall ratio

Spencer's on 11.08 (X6 internal @ 2.6)
Tyreman's on 7.58 (xxx xr internal @ 2.43)
(if the xxx-cr is 2.6 that comes out @ 8.11)

Now thats a big difference in ratios for the same motor:o

[super__dan]

Yeah Spence on a Novak 6.5 I'd be on 23*78 which though I don't have the ratio to hand is effectivly 5 pinions up on what you had it on (no idea of motor charateristics though). Defo get another 2-3 teeth on it I'd imagine with no danger.

[Lee]

Wow dan i didnt realise you were that high, im only running 22/81 on the x-6.

i think i can gear up a touch then :thumbsup:

[Chequered Flag Racing]

Yeah Spence on a Novak 6.5 I'd be on 23*78 which though I don't have the ratio to hand is effectivly 5 pinions up on what you had it on (no idea of motor charateristics though). Defo get another 2-3 teeth on it I'd imagine with no danger.

8.82:1, but is that on the regular or light motor?

my 7.5s (14mm rota) on the same so think I'll try one tooth more on the LRP

that'll be 8.45:1

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Cheers Dan that will be why it had no go on the sraight will sort the timing and gear up, it will be a rocket ship.:thumbsup:

[super__dan]

Wow dan i didnt realise you were that high, im only running 22/81 on the x-6.

i think i can gear up a touch then :thumbsup:

That's on a Novak 6.5L, note the characteristics of that are different to some of the other motors either 6.5 or 7.5's. But both you and Spence should be able to go a bit higher without worrying too much.

Actually Losi motors are sintered aren't they?

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Yes they are Dan I think that they are very simular.(sorry about the spelling)

[Gnarly Old Dog]

In my X-6, I run the LRP 6.5T with the 12.5mm sintered rotor and it's geared on 22/78.

Reckon you've definitely got a few pinions in hand Spencer:woot:

Thanks for the info regarding the timing etc.
I'm gonna try the off-road profile but possibly up the timing to 6 deg for my X5 - reckon on gearing approx 18/108 or 17/104 to give around 11:1 ish with the 6.5 Losi.

[ashleyb4]

just ordered mine.

A

[lochness42]

Anyone tried sensorless version? I have one on the way (with car - used stuff from USA).

[Kopite]

i've whacked up the timing on my LRP 6.5 to about 6 and the top end is insane

DO IT:woot:

[scrawl]

Hi, I'm new to these forums.

Is the Xcelorin low enough to fit in a XXX-CR?

Seems that a lot of speedos with fans are too tall for the XXX-CR buggy. I'll be running stock (13.5) at club meets. Any idea if it would be safe to run the ESC without the fan?

[jimmy]

Danny McGee tried it in his XXXCR at the last National

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-tallywain/2wd/bigimages/OOP_5971.jpg

http://www.oople.com/rc/photos/2008national-tallywain/2wd/bigimages/OOP_5972.jpg

[scrawl]

I'm stumped. How did he get it to fit?

I just tried fitting a block of wood into my XXX-CR that was of similar dimensions to the Xcelorin. There is no way I could get the body on, regardless if the fan is installed or not.

I guess he's either running a different body or cut a whole for the ESC to stick out of.

[ashleyb4]

I got mine today whoo havent tried it yet bbut i have fitted it to the car. Im highly impressed with the quality of the finish of the motor and the quality and top service dms and thanks for the stickers.

The sensor lead is huge i could almost run it all around the car.

A

[ashleyb4]

also what are thoses front tyres ddanny has on his car?

A

[B4 Sloth]

Big thanx to dms - got my vortex shell- havent cut it yet but have 'tried' it over the chassis on its own with the speedo in. Looks like plenty of room!
Just about get that senser wire in, capacitor will have to sit nearest the rear though. Wil post pic when its finished- got a spider web mask which will be cool!
Just got to solder those bloo*y losi connectors. Doesnt help having sausage fingers!

[Darren Boyle]

top service dms and thanks for the stickers


Big thanx to dms


No Sweat guys, enjoy your new toys......

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Well I have just installed the software on my laptop I wasnt going to bother as I am a bit of a tecnofobe but I am glad I did it is so easy to do and the settings on there easy to understand. So I will be bringing my laptop to race meetings now (not that it will make me go any faster but I will look the part). :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[ashleyb4]

johnny the laptop fastpants

Do you type using one finger like my dad spens?

A

[Spencer Mulcahy]

Not one finger Ash but not much better it has just took me half an hour to type this.:lol::lol:

[ashleyb4]

haha:thumbsup::p

A

[tiny tom]

Has anyone used it in a 4wd yet?
Just getting back into the hobby and just got a pred x10 and wanted fit one in the car

[strobe]

Excellent service from DMS. Received ESC and 4.5 motor today. Changed ESC setting to profile 3 for 'off-road'. Tested in garden and seems ok. Will get a better test at Ludlow tonight.

[Darren Boyle]

Strobe - glad you got it nice and quick

Ashley - to answer your question about the tyres on Dannys car, they look like the old Losi 6 row step pins we used to run a few years back (they were great in the old gold compound)

[Danny McGee]

Strobe - glad you got it nice and quick

Ashley - to answer your question about the tyres on Dannys car, they look like the old Losi 6 row step pins we used to run a few years back (they were great in the old gold compound)

Almost Darren. They were HT's ;) old skool. They had soooooooooo much grip it was a bit daft in the final. I just managed to go round without crashing with made a change. Think they would have been perfect if i'd of taken a couple of rows off. Still i know for next time.

With regards to the speedo and the testing that ive done with it, i have to say that i really like it. As far as i can tell its a little slower that the LRP but the brakes are soooo much better which is nice for me as i like using teh brakes. Not had the chance to run the motors as of yet, hope to give them a run somewhere this weekend, so agian feel free to come and have a nose/chat if your interested.

Danny

[Danny McGee]

I got mine today whoo havent tried it yet bbut i have fitted it to the car. Im highly impressed with the quality of the finish of the motor and the quality and top service dms and thanks for the stickers.

The sensor lead is huge i could almost run it all around the car.

A

Yer i thought the sensor lead was a bit big, its not like im running a trailer to carry the speedo around. I just took the one from my LRP speedo and stuck that in. No probs.

To fit the speedo in all i did was removed the fan, ive done a bit of running without it and i have not had any problems, im having a couple of bits made up for me so that i can run the fan and ill show you once it all arrives.

Alternativly you could always remove the fan and servo tape it to the chassis, so blowing the hot air away from the speedo. Thats what i used to do on my LRP cos i used to have trouble when running indoors

Danny

[Danny McGee]

Has anyone used it in a 4wd yet?
Just getting back into the hobby and just got a pred x10 and wanted fit one in the car

I've not had a chance to run the speedo in a 4wd as of yet, i may try one at the eden park national to see how it goes. I may have to slightly modify the shell to fit that in the xx4 as if memory serves me rightly the sphere is a bit of a squeeze with the fan on. Still im sure ill managed it somehow. again ill drop a line back on ehre once ive had the chance to test it a bit.

What are people experince with regards to the programs to use? Honestly ive not played much with it and i thought it would be good to ehar other peoples opinions

[tjf]

Almost Darren. They were HT's ;) old skool. They had soooooooooo much grip it was a bit daft in the final. I just managed to go round without crashing with made a change. Think they would have been perfect if i'd of taken a couple of rows off. Still i know for next time.

With regards to the speedo and the testing that ive done with it, i have to say that i really like it. As far as i can tell its a little slower that the LRP but the brakes are soooo much better which is nice for me as i like using teh brakes. Not had the chance to run the motors as of yet, hope to give them a run somewhere this weekend, so agian feel free to come and have a nose/chat if your interested.

Danny


HTs???

[Body Paint]

Danny was answering a question asked earlier about what front tires he had on his car, "Losi HT's" they are a small step pin shape

[tjf]

Yes I just wondered what tyre they were as not heard of them.

[Body Paint]

Proper old skool mate :thumbsup: they were 'the' front tyre to use in the wet, back in the day :lol:

[Darren Boyle]

HT was just the compound that they made them in, it was harder than gold (which is harder than silver, then red, then pink, of which none of these softer sticky compounds existed "back in the day")

[strobe]

Used the Losi ESC last night in the S2. Not brave enough to put the 4.5 motor in. Used a Novak 6.5L Motor in stead.
Programmed in setting 3 for 'Off Road'.
Very impressed with it. Came of nice and cool after 5 mins run. Speed and brakes very good. Hardly noticed the difference between it and the Novak GTB ESC. :thumbsup:

[stegger]

Used the Losi ESC last night in the S2. Not brave enough to put the 4.5 motor in. Used a Novak 6.5L Motor in stead.
Programmed in setting 3 for 'Off Road'.
Very impressed with it. Came of nice and cool after 5 mins run. Speed and brakes very good. Hardly noticed the difference between it and the Novak GTB ESC. :thumbsup:
Was the fan left on, taken off or placed somewhere else in the car ?

[strobe]

Left the fan as it was originally fitted. On top of ESC.

[stegger]

Left the fan as it was originally fitted. On top of ESC.
:thumbsup:cheers fella

[super__dan]

oops

[tyreman]

Just a follow up really, I'm up at Coventry running the new speedo in the XX4, so far i've put 10 packs of cells through it and no thermal issues at all.
I have been using the following settings.
Throttle limit - 0%
Reverse throttle limit - 100%
Motor timing - Normal
Initial acceleration - High
Braking percent - 40%
Percent drag brake - 12%
Neutral deadband - 2

The following settings were used with a Peak 5.5 geared on 19/78 or 9.48.

[matthew413]

If anyone knows where I can get hold of a losi 6.5t combo could they please pm me - I've tried everywhere I can think of and no-one has it in stock!

[Body Paint]

have you tried DMS?

[Darren Boyle]

We are out of stock (as is everywhere) but we have a HUGE amount back order with Horizon and will get the lions share of the next delivery (since we ordered them first we have been told :thumbsup:)

I ran my 6.5 combo yesterday at the regional at Silvertsone in my X6 and it was awesome. I think I can say it was one of the faster cars at the meeting, seemed to reel many cars in on the straight in the 3 legs of the final and nothing blew me away either. Motor ran cool (without any heatsink or fan on it) and the speedo ran faultless all day too.

[matthew413]

Thanks, I've ordered one from you :thumbsup:

[ben]

Sorry ive not read the whole of this thread. But are the new losi speedo's compatible with novak motors?

Thanks ben

[Northy]

Did you not believe me when I answered? :mad:

G

[Lee]

Kick his ass G :mad:

[ben]

Did you not believe me when I answered? :mad:

G

Well you said "yes they should be" I want a certain answer lol.

Lee im gonna kick your ass at southport!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

[Lee]

only because you cant reach my face :lol::lol:

[vinny20]

Well you said "yes they should be" I want a certain answer lol.

Lee im gonna kick your ass at southport!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:


YYEAH can i help:lol:

[Northy]

Ben, as the speedo is fairly new not many people will have tried the combination. Seeing as you have both the things you are asking about why don't you try it and tell us if it works?

Isn't it just a blue Novak anyway? :confused:

G

[ben]

Ive only got a losi 4.5 motor lol. They didnt have anything slower:(

[Lee]

YYEAH can i help:lol:

No, because you are a retard, you cant even spell "Yeah" :thumbdown:

[stegger]

In the imortal words of HARRY HILL fight:lol::lol::lol:

[Northy]

Ive only got a losi 4.5 motor lol. They didnt have anything slower:(

No, I meant connect a Novak motor to it and tell the world if it works.....

G

[David Church]

fight fight fight:thumbsup:

[David Church]

Sorry ive not read the whole of this thread. But are the new losi speedo's compatible with novak motors?

Thanks ben

The speedo will work with any brushless motor, PW made sure of this a few years ago:thumbsup:

[ben]

yeh vinny come to southport then DC can give a live broadcast over oOple of the fight haha

[Kopite]

Ben, i've used that combo and it works fine :thumbsup:

Losi speedos ROCK :drool:

[Lee]

I cant be seen knocking out amateur boxers, if he was a real one then maybe. Especially as the lad is retarded too. Would you tip someone out of a wheel chair?? Its just wrong :thumbdown:

[ben]

Wicked cheers Stan:thumbsup:

[David Church]

In this corner, self named funny man LEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE,

in the other corner, his challenger????????????????????

hmhmmmmmm, just warming up:thumbsup:

[CLARKSON]

Vinny,

If you were a car you would be a cross between a lada riva and a reliant robin.

In that combination we have the reliability and stability that most describes you, not to mention looks :lol:

[matthew413]

We are out of stock (as is everywhere) but we have a HUGE amount back order with Horizon and will get the lions share of the next delivery (since we ordered them first we have been told :thumbsup:

Sorry for being impatient, any ideas when they're due in? I really want to try it! :)

[Darren Boyle]

No more FIRM news yet be we are told soon, and we have a LOT coming